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Title: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 04, 2020, 10:24:35 PM
So I'm slowly building an army (well, I guess 1.5 armies...) To eventually use as Seleucids and Greco-Bactrians. While I've been able to find pretty good options for most of the troops, one thing I've noticed a bit of a lack of out there is models that are specifically meant to be, like, "Cappadocian hillmen" or "Bactrian native infantry" and so on.

I know Wargames Atlantic just came out with a great box of Persians, and Victrix is supposed to be coming out with diverging similar soon, but before I wade into kitbashing purgatory, I was just curious what any of you have used for this type of unit. Suggestions on manufacturer/brands would be most welcome, if indeed options exist!
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: aphillathehun on August 04, 2020, 10:59:35 PM

I could be way wrong about this, but I tend to think of these as fairly non-descript types in an army and I have a bunch of generics for them.  (I do the same for archers).  I think Persians would be fine for eastern types.  Old Glory makes a bag of Skythian infantry that seem to do the job.  They also make a bag of Sarmatian infantry that I would use for things like Cappadocians.  I could be persuaded that something is better, but if you have a bunch of troops around like that you can use them for all sorts of not-very-specific types in an army that is defined by other troops.

I think the Bactrians had some mountain indians in their armies and I was never quite sure what to use for those.  The Indians of classical indian armies didn't seem quite right.  Probably Persian looking types would be better.

Looking forward to better answers.....
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Cyrus1 on August 05, 2020, 12:12:23 AM
Check Newline for Cappadocians and some Bactrian Greek cavalry:

https://newlinedesigns.co.uk/product-category/newline-designs-28mm-ranges/newline-designs-28mm-ranges-ancients/kapadocian/ (https://newlinedesigns.co.uk/product-category/newline-designs-28mm-ranges/newline-designs-28mm-ranges-ancients/kapadocian/)

https://newlinedesigns.co.uk/product/bactrian-greek-cavalry/ (https://newlinedesigns.co.uk/product/bactrian-greek-cavalry/)

Essex have a Bactrian Greek range:

https://www.essexminiatures.co.uk/collections/25mm-ancient-macedonian-punic-wars?page=5 (https://www.essexminiatures.co.uk/collections/25mm-ancient-macedonian-punic-wars?page=5)

Xyston have nice 15mm ranges, hope that helps.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 05, 2020, 12:36:14 AM
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten that Essex have an actual "Bactrian" range, because there are almost no pictures of it on their website! I did order some of their cavalry though as I recall, as I had seen what they actually look like on Jeff Jonas' website :D

Thanks for the tip on Newline, I'd forgotten all about them. Any idea how they "size up" compared with other ranges? I see that Newline actually have a good deal of "mountain Indians" that Aphillathehun mentioned, which could work quite well, assuming they're not lilliputians compared with other ranges (though it's not really a deal breaker for me, it's nice to be able to mix and match if I want). 

Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Cyrus1 on August 05, 2020, 01:13:14 AM
Newline ranges are nice, solid chunky figures, compatible with most 28mm. Their Mountain Indians are the only 28mm range that I know of. Even better they have a 25% off sale until 7 August  :). I just ordered some of their Parthian infantry...
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: delbruck on August 05, 2020, 12:53:03 PM
Aventine have Sassanid foot in tunic, trousers, & short boots - with seperate heads and shields. Cappadocians would normally have a small or medium shield with bose, and usually wear a version of the phrygian cap. Later types would probably use a thureos, perhaps with some Hellenistic helmets. Aventine makes a variety of seperate heads and shields, but they aren't usually listed seperately on their website.  I think you could use these figures for unarmoured eastern pikemen, thureophoroi, javelinmen, or archers.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 05, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
So I've been mulling over the Newline figures, but the cost of shipping across the pond is what's hanging me up. The figures look really nice, and some of them really are unique, as far as I have seen.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Irregular Wars Nic on August 06, 2020, 09:52:41 AM
I suspect delbruck's suggestion is as good as you are going to get.

The problem with native contingents is not that they were all the same. Herodotus' account of the polyglot look and equipment of the Achaemenid army would be at least partially valid for the region right the way through antiquity. I would suggest that the problem we face is the nature of the sources which generally lump 'Orientals' together as a homogenous whole.

As I play in 6mm, the problem can be glossed over a bit. I use a mix of Achaemenid and Parthian ranges to fill out my Seleukid armies. At that scale, nobody really questions it. At larger scales, using Achaemenid, Parthian, or even Sassanid ranges with a few headswaps to provide a few Hellenistic helmets is probably the way to go.

The closer to the Mediterranean coast, the more Hellenised you could argue a group to be. By the 2nd century BC, Idumaeans, Kilikians, Ituraeans, Lykians etc in could probably be represented as thureophoroi.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: aphillathehun on August 06, 2020, 12:11:35 PM

Great to know about the Newline Mountain Indians!  That's got me rummaging through ancient army lists again.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Jjonas on August 07, 2020, 03:17:28 AM
I have the Newline Cappadocians. They have swords but can be converted to Javelins/spears.

Mountain Indians are also a Newline speciality.

Newline may seem smaller than Victrix- but what isn't.

Other places to explore are Old Glory Parthian infantry- or Scythian infantry,sadly the volume you get may be more than needed. PRP-5 are somewhat useful:

https://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PRP-05

I use PPH-04 for Bactrian Sogdian foot for those city fights:
https://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PPH-04

The biggest issue is I dont need 30 of them.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 07, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
Thanks for the tips, Jeff. The numbers thing is actually something I've been thinking about, actually, since I'm not 100% sure how many of anything I do need, heh.

As I mentioned in other threads, I've pretty much defaulted to Hail Caesar rules, but I'm a bit fuzzy on the distinction between "light infantry" and "skirmishers" and what this means in terms of numbers of models and how to base them.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Askellad on August 10, 2020, 09:47:19 AM
Hi,
I plan to kitbash Victrix Dacians and Persian Atlantic to create some eastern stuff, maybe It will make the sogdian/bactrian way.
And read the last Wargames soldier and strategy, there is a good article for the Afghan campaign of Alexander.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Jjonas on August 10, 2020, 05:25:12 PM
Hi,
I plan to kitbash Victrix Dacians and Persian Atlantic to create some eastern stuff, maybe It will make the sogdian/bactrian way.
And read the last Wargames soldier and strategy, there is a good article for the Afghan campaign of Alexander.

Sounds good- sorry I did not get to add too many detailed photos of Bactrians and Sogdians. A lot of my stuff is older 25's and they stay back in support.

But in that article you can see I used Old Glory and Newline Design as Bactrian horse from this period, with a mix of Casting Room mixed in for Satrapal types.
The infantry did not make it into the article set-up (they never do :) ) Some of the characters are from the Old Glory Command set PAC-03
Eastern Horse Peoples High Command. They are quite useful for this period and later Bactrians and even Kushan types:

https://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PAC-03


This Obscure Connelly painting has a useful peek at frontier infantry:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/80/c0/5980c04e14d67487e827d2f19fb37fe8.jpg

This is nice color info:



Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 11, 2020, 10:26:15 AM
Sounds good- sorry I did not get to add too many detailed photos of Bactrians and Sogdians. A lot of my stuff is older 25's and they stay back in support.

But in that article you can see I used Old Glory and Newline Design as Bactrian horse from this period, with a mix of Casting Room mixed in for Satrapal types.
The infantry did not make it into the article set-up (they never do :) ) Some of the characters are from the Old Glory Command set PAC-03
Eastern Horse Peoples High Command. They are quite useful for this period and later Bactrians and even Kushan types:

https://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PAC-03


This Obscure Connelly painting has a useful peek at frontier infantry:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/80/c0/5980c04e14d67487e827d2f19fb37fe8.jpg

This is nice color info:

Good stuff! Those paintings are especially great. Where's the Connelly "frontier infantry" one from?
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Jjonas on August 11, 2020, 04:42:12 PM
"Where's the Connelly "frontier infantry" one from?"

That is a good question. I don't' have all Connolly's books, but it is not in any of the ones I have. I have only seen it on the web.

My guess it is in here:

https://www.amazon.com/Greeks-Rebuilding-Past-Roy-Burrell/dp/0199171610

This also seems part of that book:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/66/aa/3566aa25363c582d771843aafd735e4b.jpg
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 11, 2020, 10:35:54 PM
Interesting...

I always forget how amazing some of the artwork for children's books used to be  :o
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: AdamPHayes on August 22, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
Part of the "fun" of this army is that the available evidence is so sketchy you can make up your own mind and it is very hard for anyone to criticise. I have a pack of the Black Tree Design Scythian infantry set aside to be local levies / Hillmen in my army, and I'll probably give them theuros type shields as there are at least a few representations of those.

The Essex range of figures is very nice but a bit limited. Only one variant for each figure code but  they do follow the old WRG Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars very faithfully. Duncan Head has issued a few corrections to this tome, one of which discredits the bare-headed Iranian heavy cavalryman. Arguably one of the most important parts of the army... The sculptor is not the usual Essex style so is a lot less cartoony than some of their ancients.

I thoroughly enjoyed making my own unique regiments for my Greco-Bactrians. I grabbed a cheap box of Victrix Theban hoplites when I saw it, as the distinctive Boeotian helmet type seems to have been a favourite for the Hellenistic part of the army. Other useful bits came from the old Wargames Factory Persians and Numidians plastics.

(https://wargamewarrior.webs.com/Blog%20pictures/Bactrians/guard%20helms.JPG)
(some guardsmen based on a brooch from the Tillya Tepe Necropolis)

I am currently having a go at making some Indians a bit more like the Achaemenids represented the Gandarans and Hindush rather than the later look that most wargames figures depict. A box of Perry Mahdists has been sacrificed to this cause along with weapons and heads from various sources.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 22, 2020, 12:24:59 PM
Adam, very nice!

Yeah speaking of the "discredited" cavalry, I recently ordered a bunch of cavalry figures from Essex (as I'd gotten a deal on like 30 Essex horses from eBay), and was disheartened to find that the Bactrian "guard" cavalry (or whatever they call it) is those goofy looking bare-headed guys. There are no images of most of their "Bactrian" stuff on the website, alas, so I was basing my purchase of those handful of figures on some images I'd found online (maybe from Jeff Jonas' site? Can't remember), which showed them with the Boeotian helmet. They look so goofy I'm not even going to try to salvage their heads; I've picked up a sprue of Victrix Thebans and they'll get decapitated as soon as I get around to it  :D

Speaking of which, I had some older Ral Partha Bactrian cavalry that were apparently also based on that AMPW image, but those were easy enough to convert with some heads/helmets from the Warlord (Immortal?) hoplites.

Finally, in that Essex order, I also picked up a few variations of Companion Cavalry that I think I can use for the same unit: just throw on some Green Stuff beards on a couple of them, and figure out how to add a bow/bow-case (I assume Green Stuff is gonna have to work here, but we'll see).

ANYWAY, as for the infantry: thanks for the recommendations, it's really helpful. I'm always wary of getting into "ahhh, f*$@ it!" mode when there's little evidence and just using whatever, since obviously the cultural difference between, say, Numidia and the Hindu Kush was rather profound. So, it's good to know what may and may not work!

Speaking of which, do you happen to have any images handy of the Essex Bactrian infantry range? I obviously won't be picking up anything else sight unseen again :D
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: bluewillow on August 22, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
I used crusader and gripping beast for my hill tribesmen

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RNi88lGtFXk/TbSf9SnzZwI/AAAAAAAAAgg/fK6ZpWP-8zY/s400/102_5476.JPG)

More images here
 http://stormandconquest.blogspot.com/2011/04/leucosyri-hill-tribesmen.html?m=0 (http://stormandconquest.blogspot.com/2011/04/leucosyri-hill-tribesmen.html?m=0)


Cheers
Matt

Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: tallyho on August 22, 2020, 01:37:45 PM
Don't you love how gamers confidently state how people thousands of years ago dressed.

Most wargames ranges are works of total guess work and fantasy, and the idea thousands of men all wore the same identical hat or whatever is just silly.

Use whatever looks good to you, because nobody can tell you what they wore.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Jjonas on August 22, 2020, 05:35:02 PM
Part of the "fun" of this army is that the available evidence is so sketchy you can make up your own mind and it is very hard for anyone to criticise. I have a pack of the Black Tree Design Scythian infantry set aside to be local levies / Hillmen in my army, and I'll probably give them theuros type shields as there are at least a few representations of those.

Yes- The Bactrians are under represented. Sources are limited. The facts are sketchy at best. Plus, the Bactrian/Indo Greeks cover a lot of ground from the 250ish BC to AD 100  timeframe. It is difficult to see how armies evolved from Persian Empire to Hellenistic then back to localized feudal city states.

My guess is the reliance on pikemen is something that reduces swiftly due to the lack of materials to make pikes. When you look at Afghanistan and Sogdiana Bactria there are forests, but could they make pikes out of them? In 220's BC the Spartans had to borrow money from the Ptolemies to have Macedonian shields and pikes to be sent in the mail order for their revolt.

So I always choose to minimize pikemen. Obviously cavalry are the decisive forces as revealed in Cyrus', Alexander's, and Antiochus' campaigns in the region. Alexander's campaign was a constant cavalry (and mounted infantry) chase. The poor bloody infantry being mostly needed to man the siege towers. Coenus and Alexander and the other flying columns of Macedonians doing their search and destroy sweeps of mountain valleys would no doubt be leaving the phalanxes just hustling in the dust miles behind the action.

The fact that most of the Hellenistic settlers (forced veterans mustered out in the region) were Greeks. Some were Thracian, some were Illyrians left behind in Drangiana, Margiana, Arachosia, and Aria They tried to run home but were turned back by Perdikkas and other Successors.

It would seem the hoplite would be the most common armament with various sized shields and more styled after hypaspists than rigid phalanx dwellers. When the common militia/citizen forces switched to thureos is a squishy subject- but probably after 250 BC is as good a guess as I would land.

Even Alexander's army almost immediately recruited horse and foot allies (from the above satrapies and subdued Bactrians) into his frontier campaign. Most of the archers in sieges are non descript locals. The Core Royal column under Alexander had the elites- the Agrianians and the Cretan archers, plus the Royal Companions, and Hypaspists. The other columns had the rest of the army broken up into chunks and filled out with many local troops from neighboring satraps.

So my conclusion is the earliest Bactrian armies would follow the Alexandrian model, and gradually slip into different styles of 'heavy' infantry (if any remain except as garrisons). Local city based Hellenistic core troops with outsider allies of various groups of Bactrians and Sogdians, and the odd allied tribe of Dahae. The shift of the Bactrian heavy cavalry to spear and bow armed seems like a necessary evolution for them.

The armies that marched across the Indus and pushed into India would seem to be even more blended and less Hellenistic in style, but again we have a lot of coin hoards but little other source detail to go on.

And I do like those conversions of Victrix hoplites to a mixed group. Seems Bactrian-ish to me.

What does the phalanx do against the horse archers?



Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: AdamPHayes on August 22, 2020, 06:06:33 PM

What does the phalanx do against the horse archers?

Pay them to go away generally!  ;)

I only have a few of the Essex Bactrians and none of the wild and woolly types. I will try to remember to take some pics of their display figures the next time I am passing their warehouse.

The theurophoroi  on the right is an Essex Bactrian, next to him one of their "standard" Hellenistic pikemen.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/kB65mZ3ymPff/540.jpg)

The middle chap is a Newline Skythian and the next one to the left is a Black Tree Design version. At the left hand end is a Victrix Carthaginian as a scale comparison...

I did the same as FB and converted the bare-headed cavalry figures with the firm application of a pair of clippers.

(https://wargamewarrior.webs.com/Blog-pictures/Bactrians/Persian%20general.JPG)

Any Hellenistic cavalry can become Easterners with the addition of a bowcase and usefully 1st Corps sell their ones separately: https://1stcorps.co.uk/product/persian-bowcase/ (https://1stcorps.co.uk/product/persian-bowcase/)
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 22, 2020, 09:27:24 PM
Thanks for the responses, guys!

@Adam: Thanks for the tip on 1st Corps! I'd ordered from them before but never noticed they sold the bowcases! I picked those up......as well as a few other things which I'll probably mention in another thread, just to make the shipping cost worth it :D I did however include some "Persian javelin men with wicker shield" which should help my "eastern infantry" quandry; likewise I tossed in some "helots", as they look fairly generic, and with a wicker shield they'd basically look like every other "broke eastern Mediterranean dirt-farming peasant infantry"  lol

Also, thanks for the image! I might pick up some of the "Bactrian thureophoroi" at some point, though to be fair I probably have enough bits at this point to make some of my own... we'll see!

@Jeff: Thanks for the lengthy, thinky post! I'm pretty sure I've read every ancient literary source there is on the Greco-Bactrian military, because, welll... yeah.... it's scant. Pretty much most of the knowledge we have is based on coinage, which tends to be both idealized and archaicizing, so it's often not the best source for realistic evidence. A bit like assuming Augustus had all his teeth and a six-pack of abs in his 60s because that's how he looked in statues!

@Tallyho: Yeah, a frequent concern of mine! I agree it's silly to think almost any ancient army had anything approaching Napoleonic-level uniformity, which is what we usually see. I've gradually come to accept the conceit as just part of the deal, but I do try in my own (slowly-built) army to include as much variation as I can.

@Matt: That's a beautiful unit! Definitely going to have to use that as inspiration going forward :)
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: AdamPHayes on August 31, 2020, 06:06:56 PM
You inspired me to finish off my Bactrian Greek  "foot Agema" unit...

(https://myalbum.com/photo/L3GjnTxweRtd/540.jpg)

Chat about it's origins here (https://wargamewarrior.webs.com/apps/blog/show/48993474-bactrian-greek-foot-agema).
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on August 31, 2020, 11:12:33 PM
Very cool! I've thought of building something along these lines, as well, but it's on the back burner for two reasons: 1) as you mention in your blog, there's not a ton of evidence for them, even though there should be... and 2) as I've mentioned before, I'm basing everything on Hail Caesar rules, which does not include anything about the Bactrian Agema in the official army list. So I had in the back of my mind maybe including a few agema-looking guys with a foot general as part of a commander unit. There are other types of units where there is a roughly comparable one in the HC army list where I can "justify it". Like, for the Greco-Bactrians they have a Saka heavy cavalry unit with bows and kontos, so I feel fine making a group of "Bactrian heavy horse archers" or whatever (similar to another unit you were kitbashing on your blog).... but there's just nothing super close on the infantry end. It's like phalangites.... and then light troops/skirmishers. Of course in the end, who knows when I'd ever get to play a game to begin with, so I'm basically hobbying for its own sake at present, so... I guess I can just make whatever I like, right? :D
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: AdamPHayes on September 01, 2020, 10:22:37 PM
Exactly, it’s a hobby we can pursue it as we like for entirely our own satisfaction.  I find it interesting that as wargamers we are in a different position to historians and academics. They can speculate about ancient armies but end up with a “don’t know.”  We can’t just leave a gap on the battlefield however so have to bite the bullet and make a decision. Good fun debating the possibilities as well very often.
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on September 01, 2020, 10:40:11 PM
Exactly!

Gotta say, this conversation is now making me want to work on that command unit lol
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on October 01, 2020, 02:53:31 AM
Update: I'm definitely "working on" the command unit idea now, so thanks, Adam  lol  I mean, it's one of the 15 concurrent projects, but still.....

Also gonna go ahead and steal your idea for creating a separate agema unit. Hail Caesar doesn't have a specific bit in the army list for a Bactrian agema unit, but I guess worst-case they'd have similar stats as hoplites, right? Either way, who knows when I'll even be able to start playing with other humans, anyway, so.... But yeah, I figure I'll go for about 24 figures in the unit (3 rows of 8). The Victrix Thebans box is good for like 16 guys in breastplates I think; looking for other options for the next 8 just to vary things a bit.

Oh, and, speaking of the original idea for the thread (dirt-farming peasant infantry :D )-- This recent thread https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=127156.0 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=127156.0) got me thinking about all this again. And I was reminded of a unit from a mod for Rome II: Total War that could be nice and do-able by mixing the linothoraxed Victrix Thebans with some of the Wargames Atlantic Persians (of which I am now the proud owner of three boxes :D ), and miscellaneous head and shield swaps...

Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: AdamPHayes on October 02, 2020, 06:49:28 AM
Looking forward to seeing what you create. I love the sort of units that you have in an army that you can plug into the line and just pray that you don’t get attacked there! Every now and then they will do something amazing....(sometimes in a good way 🙂)
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on October 02, 2020, 10:55:55 PM
Looking forward to seeing what you create. I love the sort of units that you have in an army that you can plug into the line and just pray that you don’t get attacked there! Every now and then they will do something amazing....(sometimes in a good way 🙂)

Yeah! Who knows when I'll ever actually get it done, but still. I'm loving the idea right now :D Wondering if I can't find some "extras" with pants, just so I don't have to make them all from green stuff  lol
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on October 06, 2020, 02:00:00 AM
Yeah! Who knows when I'll ever actually get it done, but still. I'm loving the idea right now :D Wondering if I can't find some "extras" with pants, just so I don't have to make them all from green stuff  lol

Don't these come with separate, trousered legs...? You might use those legs for your conversions and you'd still have some bare-legged (or greaved?) phalangites.

https://www.victrixlimited.com/collections/ancient-seleucids/products/copy-of-macedonian-phalangites
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on October 06, 2020, 02:41:55 AM
Don't these come with separate, trousered legs...? You might use those legs for your conversions and you'd still have some bare-legged (or greaved?) phalangites.

https://www.victrixlimited.com/collections/ancient-seleucids/products/copy-of-macedonian-phalangites

Good point...I do have those guys already actually, but they're already assembled and trousered up (and painted, too!), I'm afraid  :D

Suppose I could wait to find a deal on another box, of course.....
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on October 06, 2020, 03:45:04 PM
Good point...I do have those guys already actually, but they're already assembled and trousered up (and painted, too!), I'm afraid  :D

Suppose I could wait to find a deal on another box, of course.....

Or somebody may have extra pairs of trousered legs. Are the legs also included in the Macedonian Phalangite box?
Title: Re: What to use for "Eastern infantry" for Seleucids/Greco-Bactrians?
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on October 06, 2020, 04:52:23 PM
Or somebody may have extra pairs of trousered legs. Are the legs also included in the Macedonian Phalangite box?
Good question. I'm not sure since I only have the Victrix successors, but I'd assume the macedonians don't have the trousered option, just because that's the main difference between them.