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Title: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Gribb on August 24, 2020, 01:07:25 AM
There is the greenish tinted variant and the one in a  plain grey shade. I prefer the former, what about You?
Due to the variety of shades of feldgrau do You mix them?

(https://i.imgur.com/mzIXOvh.jpg)
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: FreakyFenton on August 24, 2020, 01:54:46 AM
I sometimes lean toward one shade, only to find myself looking at period photos or illustrations, to see a vague mix at times. It's often the same I find with fieldgrey in a WW2 setting as well. There was quite a good shot by someone back on a similar topic with all the various shades shown on a piece of cloth each.

Generally, I try to appeal to both sides and paint a few figures in shade A, only to paint some in shade B to get a good variation.

Unless of course you are going for unit cohesion, in that case sticking to one pattern might also work out. Suppose it's down to personal preference really.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: waterproof on August 24, 2020, 07:27:18 AM
I paint my Germans both ways. I do that just so it doesn't get too monotonous.
Maybe not as green as in example A. That could be the uniform colour for the jäger.
Old photo documents are not necessarily the best reference for the uniform colors.
Well painted Minis Gribb. Hope for more. Maybe I should paint again sometime.  :)
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: zirrian on August 24, 2020, 09:36:31 AM
Bavarians had green uniforms similar to the jägers that they kept even when the new uniform and helm was introduced, the rest wore greys.

And before "oh, but all the different fabrics and dyes, etc." - do whatever you want, then.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Curassier on August 24, 2020, 02:00:07 PM
Not so great on shades but I found these plates from a book on the German e-bay site a while back:

Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Curassier on August 24, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
Another
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Post by: Curassier on August 24, 2020, 02:04:04 PM
and
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Post by: Curassier on August 24, 2020, 02:06:53 PM
and
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Curassier on August 24, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
All from this book publicised circa 1915

Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: waterproof on August 24, 2020, 02:55:02 PM
Thank you for the very detailed presentation which shows us everything about shoulderstraps and insignia in the field-grey German army.  I think the field grey of the uniforms in WW1 varied a lot. From the field blouses M1914 to the simple field skirt M1916. And then there were the different German states, Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria etc. .  In the illustrations the protective covers of the helmets are also shown in grey.
As far as I know there were also the most different variants, from khaki beige to grey-green.
I agree with zirrian, here you can't go wrong with the field grey.

Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: monk2002uk on August 25, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
If you look at colour photos of modern reenactors and black & white photos of German soldiers taken back when then you will see variations in the tunics, even within the same Gruppe.

Robert
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Metternich on August 25, 2020, 04:24:12 PM
I like late war (1916 on), by which point you can have a mix of different styles of tunic (and in different shades, given the vagaries of the bad dyes used late in the war) even in one unit.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Mad Gadgeteer on August 25, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
I like late war (1916 on), by which point you can have a mix of different styles of tunic (and in different shades, given the vagaries of the bad dyes used late in the war) even in one unit.

So true, same can be said for early war as well.  I have a picture somewhere of a bunch of WWI German tunics that spanned the war; I took the pic at a museum, they were all lined up - no two matched.  The only pic I could quickly find online is below; it is WWII, yet it was just like it in re variations.  What exactly IS 'Feldgrau' is often debated. 
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: FreakyFenton on August 27, 2020, 12:08:41 AM
What exactly IS 'Feldgrau' is often debated.

This! And excellent, that was the picture I was referring to in my above comment!  :)
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Golgotha on August 27, 2020, 12:31:25 AM
That is a great photograph Mad Gadgeteer.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Mad Gadgeteer on August 27, 2020, 01:16:06 AM
Wish I could find the WWI version...  I had a systems crash a few years back and lost a ton of WWI research material. 
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: monk2002uk on August 27, 2020, 07:12:13 AM
Colourised photo of early war uniforms. Some variation is evident:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6g7K09Kka5Y/VR-tHdOMIBI/AAAAAAAACf4/Cl_A5j09rR8/s1600/German%2Binfantry.jpg)

Robert
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Mad Gadgeteer on August 27, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
Have any of you ever used paint sets such as the Ammo German Field Grey Uniforms (WWII I believe) by Mig Jimenez or WWI German Uniforms by AK-Interactive?

The Ammo MIG Field Grey FS-34159 looks pretty close to the  shade of Feldgrau found on the M1907/10 Waffenrock.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Atheling on August 27, 2020, 05:51:21 PM
Have any of you ever used paint sets such as the Ammo German Field Grey Uniforms (WWII I believe) by Mig Jimenez or WWI German Uniforms by AK-Interactive?

I've got the AK Interactive set but haven't used them for WWI . Nor WWII for that matter.

all I can add of any worth is that they are good quality paints though I would be hesitant to use them as a strict triad as they were originally designed for larger models. I would try to avoid a stalk jump in tonality and hue.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: FreakyFenton on August 27, 2020, 11:17:51 PM
Have any of you ever used paint sets such as the Ammo German Field Grey Uniforms (WWII I believe) by Mig Jimenez or WWI German Uniforms by AK-Interactive?

The Ammo MIG Field Grey FS-34159 looks pretty close to the  shade of Feldgrau found on the M1907/10 Waffenrock.

While I know of them I've never used them. The only ones I have used that are made to fit certain camouflage items are the Vallejo ones. And I am happy with those.

Apart from that I'd have to agree with Atheling that some paints differ as they're for larger display models and such.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: zirrian on August 28, 2020, 12:44:17 PM
Have any of you ever used paint sets such as the Ammo German Field Grey Uniforms (WWII I believe) by Mig Jimenez or WWI German Uniforms by AK-Interactive?

The Ammo MIG Field Grey FS-34159 looks pretty close to the  shade of Feldgrau found on the M1907/10 Waffenrock.

I use their WW1 triads and they are pretty good, but be sure to shake them properly. Also, for 15-28mm figures mix the darkest and lightest colors with the base color for shadows and highlights, otherwise they are too dark/light.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Mad Gadgeteer on August 28, 2020, 01:41:07 PM
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Which shade of German feldgrau do You settle for?
Post by: Atheling on August 28, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
Just on another note. if you're painting 15mm it's a good idea to go for a larger contrast or you may end up with a muddy looking mini so if using the AK Triads I'd use them as they are for 15mm. For 28mm I would tone them down- starting with a base of mixing "A", then "A" and "B" mixed, then B as the third layer. Perhaps mix in a bit of C for the very highest points of highlight.

I used one of their British sets just like I have described and got very good results..... see below:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X3M7qmoa78Q/VcN_OwKQb4I/AAAAAAAAibw/0Egj-vsUOLE/s1600/NWF%2BPERRY%2BHUT%2BBRITS%2B1A.JPG)

As I say, O personally would use a higher contrast if I was going to paint the same in 15mm.