Lead Adventure Forum
Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Otto1485 on October 04, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
-
Hello fellow LAFers.
Advance notice that I'm planning to launch my WOTR Kickstarter hopefully within a month, I'm just finalising reward packages and sorting shipping costs.
Here's a preview of the miniatures that will be available. I've used the wonderful "Pete's Flags" to add a splash of colour (check out his eBay store)
Apologies for the composite photos - I'll be using better ones on the Kickstarter page.
I've had a full range sculpted by the very talented Drew Day-Williams, and I think he's done a great job of realising my vision for the range. The WOTR has always been my favourite period of English history and this is a dream I've had for a while now.
Foot Command
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_1032.jpg)
Mounted Command
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_665530.jpg)
Mounted Knights - with weapons in hand
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_50823.jpg)
Mounted Knights with lances
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_591356.jpg)
Hobilars/Scurrors
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_208829.jpg)
Foot Knights - open hand (so you can give them pole axes and standards)
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_271484.jpg)
Foot Knights with hand weapons
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_259250.jpg)
Foot Command - for your bow and bill units
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_711725.jpg)
Archers
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_98410.jpg)
Billmen
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_101550.jpg)
Crossbow with pavisse
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_134828.jpg)
Handgunners
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_648552.jpg)
Heavy Billmen/Pikemen
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_552304.jpg)
Artillery Piece
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_27411.jpg)
Stretch Goals - Noble Family, A Loyal Subject, Knights Arming, Marguerite D'Anjou and The Surgeon
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_212422.jpg)
Here are a couple of comparisons with the plastic Perry Miniatures figures so you have an idea of size and aesthetics
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_69233.jpg)
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_262368.jpg)
Hope you like
Please keep an eye on the thread if you're interested and I'll update with a "going live" date.
All the best
John
Athena Miniatures Ltd
-
A fantastic looking all metal range. A perfect partner for either Perry Miniatures or enough variety for a standalone collection.
This range has definitely pushed me back into gaming the War of Roses :-* :-* :-*
-
Not bad at all! 8)
I must say I particularly like the foot knights half-handing their swords and the surgeon set is a lovely little addition.
-
Yeah, for me the vignette Stretch Goals are the big stars here. Hopefully they'll be available separately after the KS.
-
They will Cubs.
My current plan is to give the sets free to Kickstarter backers if we hit funding goals and make them available as products post Kickstarter
ATB John :)
-
This looks very interesting, and most unexpected!
I'm definitely interested in some of these for my late 15th century European project (so not actually WOTR).
Definitely the artillery.
Quite possibly the crossbows, handguns and archers.
Probably some of the cavalry. The light horse look interesting, and some of the heavy cavalry / mounted command combos could work their way into my Perry collection. I'd very much like to see more close up pics!
I haven't ever backed a kickstarter before, but I reckon I will with this. Even if its only a few select packs I'm interested in, I certainly would like to see it all released!
-
very nice - recommend you get in touch with wargames illustrated and see if you can post on the NMTBH facebook page when the kickstarter launches
-
I'm really indebted to Captain Blood for putting some slap onto the master castings I sent him a while ago.
You've done a terrific job with these Richard.
Hopefully it will give you an idea of how the figures paint up.
Firstly - archers, billmen and a foot officer
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_21300.jpg)
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_55681.jpg)
Archers
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_69946.jpg)
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_17734.jpg)
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_18822.jpg)
Archers with some of Richard's painted plastic Perry archers
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_10072.jpg)
Billmen and foot officer
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_43201.jpg)
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_84442.jpg)
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_10839.jpg)
Finally a comparison with Steel Fist, plastic Perry and metal Perry
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_7420.jpg)
In other news... I am hoping the Kickstarter will go live on the 1st November - I am waiting on Kickstarter approving the project
All the best
John
-
Some very nice looking mini's. :-*
I'm going to get all anorak-y and point out that the archer preparing to loose the arrow on his bow has the arrow on the wrong side of the bow. It should be on the left hand side of the stave as the archer looks at the bow. Across his arm if you like.
Apart from that little hiccup; all looks to be very promising and I will be keeping a close eye on this KS 8)
-
In my defence that's one of Richard's Perry archers... sorry :(
I've gone for mine without arrows for ease of casting - a decision I had to make with Drew in the early days of sculpting.
I actually shoot a mediaeval war bow myself so I know where you're coming from - I was actually the subject for the pictures for the poses for the archers myself
ATB John :)
-
In my defence that's one of Richard's Perry archers... sorry :(
I actually shoot a mediaeval war bow myself so I know where you're coming from - I was actually the subject for the pictures for the poses for the archers myself
Sorry John, I wasn't trying to be censorious. I just thought it might be worth pointing out in the event that it could be amended prior to casting, but as you have indicated there's no need. I've seen the placement of the arrow askew on a couple of ranges in the past and it has personally put me off buying those particular archer packs, which is a shame. My apologies if I came across as brash- my interest in this range has in no way diminished.
I've gone for mine without arrows for ease of casting - a decision I had to make with Drew in the early days of sculpting.
The best choice I would think. I wish you all the best with the range. One cannot have enough Late. Med. ranges and I will certainly be making some purchases.
-
These are great
-
Good luck to your kickstarter. I’m going to back this because I like the crazy double hand overhead parry swordsman and boy with his k9 best friend.
-
Nice, it's really good to see some painted up!
I'll definitely be backing. I was originally thinking there were some I like a lot more than others, but to be honest I think I'll be getting the whole lot. Almost all of them will be able to find their way into my European project somehow. Especially the archers, either to mix in with my existing Perry / Crusader units, or as a new unit by themselves. Great stuff.
Concerning which side of the bow the arrow goes - I think there is actually lots of evidence in period artwork that it was SOMETIMES used the 'wrong' way. I saw a good youtube video about it.... ;) (with lots of examples of artwork). And the argument that the artists didn't know much about archery can be countered by the fact that all the arms and armour in these paintings are SERIOUSLY detailed. So it seems unlikely that the artist knew all about the intricate details of armour and how it was worn and how it looked from different angles in different poses.. but didn't know which side of the bow the arrow went. Anyway, I think the conclusion is that it might well have been used BOTH ways, though admittedly usually the 'right' way. I'll try and find the link if anyone's interested.
Interesting to hear that you are a shoot warbow yourself, and good to know that the poses are based on actual shooting. Because there is one I was not sure about - on your original archer picture, the first one on the second row down. With both his arms outstretched wide. You can confirms that's a 'real' pose then? Thought it looked a bit odd.... and I often see really strange archery poses on a lot of other ranges.
-
They look great - and more importantly where is the link to the kickstarter please
-
Thanks for all the positive feedback everyone, and Atheling, no need to be contrite at all - all feedback is well received, both positive and negative.
I've never known any of your comments (or anyone else's for that matter) on LAF be anything other than well intentioned and constructive. I guess that's why we're all here.
As a war bow enthusiast ropey archery is one of my bugbears, especially in telly programs and in films....
Here's an attractive but poor example of movie archery....
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_22706.jpg)
I've always found it better for arrow nocks to be on the bowstring so the arrow actually flies.... :D
This is me posing with my 45lb ash "whyte" bow for the original stances for Drew (the sculptor)....
(http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_16683/gallery_50172_16683_1239583.jpg)
I also have several war bows between 80lbs draw weight and 100lbs draw weight - two are yew (Italian high alpine and American) and one is laminate - they're just too heavy to hold in a pose for photography purposes in my back garden hence the use of the 45lb bow...
Charlie also raises an interesting point regarding poses, the pose with the arm behind the head post release often causes consternation.
When you shoot a high poundage war bow (as opposed to a Victorian style longbow) and draw to the ear (rather than the lips) you can't hold the draw, you don't "aim" a war bow you shoot instinctively marking your target before you nock, draw and loose. There is no "aiming" as you would expect with lighter weight Victorian longbows where the arrow is "locked" at the lips for aiming purposes.
As a result of this the drawing hand naturally flows behind the archer as the arrow is loosed. Tests have also shown that this puts an extra 5-10lb of draw weight into the draw as well. Hence the poses with the archer's hand behind his head. It's based on my own experience.
In other news...
Kickstarter have just approved the project:
I think this link will take you through to the preview:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/330581752/28mm-wars-of-the-roses-miniatures-for-tabletop-wargames
All the best
John
-
I have seen these in the 'flesh' and really like them.
8) 8)
As I do not play or collect historical armies (unless someone else is laying a game on, of course!) I would not use them in a WOTR setting, but I DO think they would look fantastic in a lot of fantasy settings and can see them working really well in various genres, GoT especially (I can see a few making their way into a certain Captain Blood's GoT House forces in future, I reckon).
;)
P.S. Nice 'posing', John!
:D
-
P.S. Nice 'posing', John! :D
Thank you, I'm available for autographs later.... :D
All the best
John
-
Might be
An odd question but could you tell me the dimensions of those oval cav bases. Are they 25x50? 35x50? Something else?
-
I think they’re 25 x 50. I’d have to go and look at the laser file to be certain.
-
Thanks!
-
it looks like the Kickstarter preview is live:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/330581752/28mm-wars-of-the-roses-miniatures-for-tabletop-wargames?ref=7384te&token=1e8b07f8
Launch date is still planned for the 1st November 2020 to run for three weeks.
The page is still in draft form and I have to refine rewards and shipping
All the best
John
-
Wonderful miniatures, I am definitely backing at least with the basic army even though I have enough stock and it is not exactly my period ;).
You should include the comparison photos (it would be great to make some more with Front Rank, Crusader etc.) in the campaign section.
Also think about a small skirmish force (e.g. something like 12 bill, 12 bow, 6 foot knights, 6 knights/cavalry, some mtd and foot officers/standards, maybe 1 or 2 additional packs from the special infantry).
If I may add a wish: some armed peasants, maybe plunderers, would always be great...
-
A wonderful KS, but in these times of unclear conditions after the 31st December I have to wait and see. Hope you will offer these figures in a regular shop. So I can order it with clear conditions. Under normal circumstances I would do the KS. But in 2020 nothing is normal I’m afraid. :(
-
I’ll give the skirmish force some thought Amsivar. And I’ll try to do some more comparison shots. Day job is a bit hectic currently.
New sculpts are always possible, I’ll see what the future holds. They do represent a major investment though.
Understand about the December 31st thing. The miniatures will be in the web shop when the Kickstarter has shipped (if I raise the cash)
All the best
John
-
Now live
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/330581752/28mm-wars-of-the-roses-miniatures-for-tabletop-wargames?ref=ksr_email_creator_launch
-
Made my pledge!
-
.
-
Thank you :)
-
It looks like the kickstarter has funded, congratulations!!!
I look forward to getting my archers, billmen and artillery next year!
Will the whole lot be made available for general release shortly afterwards? I was sorely tempted to pledge a higher amount and get the full lot, but decided it was probably best to hold off for now... So I'm pleased to see you've reached the goal with just my smaller pledge, and I do plan to buy most of the other packs later on down the line.
-
Congrats Jon- that was pretty quick so that ought to bode well for the future 8)
-
Thanks Darrell and Charlie. :)
In answer to your question Charlie, I will be making everything available after I’ve fulfilled the Kickstarter.
All the best
John :)
-
Hello all. I thought people might like to see the man himself talking about how this lot came together. So I did an interview for the UTubes channel.
https://youtu.be/bVad4ITgKco (https://youtu.be/bVad4ITgKco)
-
3 days to go, and just £54 from the first stretch goal (knights arming)!!!!!
-
.
-
Received my Kickstarter figures today. Gorgeous figures, look better than the pictures show. Very well run Kickstarter. Highly recommended.
-
I've just received mine too.
I went for the archers, billmen and artillery.
Very nice figures!
I always wanted to get these to mix in with my Perry collection and to use as a conversions, so I'm unlikely to be putting together whole units of just Athena miniatures.
The appear slightly taller than Perry, but I think they seem to have thicker bases which could be filed down? I don't think you'd notice mixing them together.
The archers though do seem 'bulkier' somewhat. I am currently undecided whether I'll be mixing them in with Perry (and Crusader) archers, or making a separate unit of just Athena archers. If the latter, I'll need to order a second pack and do a few headswaps! The archer poses themselves are very nice and realistic.
The billmen are in a bit of a random selection of poses - I won't be making a unit of them, but will definitely find a use for each one at some point, especially the few in advancing poses with weapons at 45 degrees - I will probably be ordering some duplicates of these.
The artillery and crew are great - I haven't put it together yet, it seems potentially larger than the Perry ones, but not in an out-of-scale way, rather just it's a bigger gun! We'll see when it's assembled. The crew poses are good, the one crouching down to get things from the ammo box in particular.
One thing I have noticed is that most of them have swords and bucklers cast on, but two or three don't and have empty holes there, as if there was supposed to be a separate piece provided to glue on. Or they were separate before the moulds were made, and John forgot to put them on these few?? I wonder if he can confirm. It's not an issue - I have plenty of spare plastic Perry swords and bucklers.
I was tempted to get the whole lot, but in the end was cautious and just went for these three packs to see how they would work alongside Perrys. I was always planning to get the others further down the line though. I'm particularly interested in seeing detailed pictures of the various cavalry packs and how they scale alongside Perrys. Has anyone got the cavalry?
-
Hi Charlie,
There should be a set of four weapon sprues containing swords and extra bills/hand weapons in each reward.
I must have had a brain fart while packing yours ;D, send me a PM to confirm your address and I’ll send you some weapons sprues.
I’ll nip down the unit tomorrow and get them in the post.
Thanks for the positive feedback, and from Terry too. Muchly appreciated.
All the best
John :)
-
Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland's Retinue Archers, ready to man the defensive at the 1st Battle of Albans
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnlB6-sWEAIG0J8?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnlB8HlXUAAjj7d?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnlB9BUW8AI_8p-?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnlB99rWMAA4H8B?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
This new range from Athena Miniatures is just lovely to paint, the sculpts crisp and there is lot of variation to add interest to your units.
-
The retinue archers of John Clifford, 9th Baron Clifford, 9th Lord of Skipton (Athenia Miniatures)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnLgzQ-XIAIK2Ec?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnLg0jqXcAcjY7i?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnLg1TIXIAEIYuA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnLg38aXMAYL0IB?format=jpg&name=large)
-
You’re a horribly quick painter Gareth.
Excellent job.
ATB John