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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Von Stroheim on November 13, 2020, 01:55:20 AM
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Trailer for the Legend of El Cid on Amazon Prime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm9UzvuypNg
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Oh dear, that's probably set the butterfly off and maybe took me back 20 years in gaming terms.....
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Oh dear, that's probably set the butterfly off and maybe took me back 20 years in gaming terms.....
The same could be said for me! Covid put pay to my Reconquista project earlier this year as it was designed for a game at Partizan! :'(
I just hope they don't keep making the same mistakes as the BBC with The Last Kingdom (dubbed The Last joke in my household!) and the recent German production, Barbarians. The list goes on (and on).
When is it due for release? I'm about to dump Netflix permanently so might with the Second Age of Middle Earth series coming up I might be tempted with giving amazon a go.
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The trailer says release December 18th.
Looks quite good to me, I'm oddly pleased that its subtitled instead of having a Yankee cast (with the obligatory Englishman for the baddie). Battles look nicely grim, costume looks right (to me) and the only misgiving I have is how much Game of Thrones style shagging they will shoehorn into it for no reason.
Yes, I might see if I can get control of the buttons for a while next month, at least to see how the pilot plays. :)
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Looks entertaining. I do not understand Spanish but I love how it sounds, especially in that trailer. Set design and costuming looks good, if not perfect it is better than a lot of other productions.
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That looks worth watching.
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‘We bring you bread’
Best movie moment ever. Well, one of them ;)
That and when he wakes up after shagging Sophia Loren in a secret love nest, and his army is outside waiting for him. Fabulous.
I love the Charlton Heston version, but this does look rather good too. Looking forward to it :)
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‘We bring you bread’
Best movie moment ever. Well, one of them ;)
That and when he wakes up after shagging Sophia Loren in a secret love nest, and his army is outside waiting for him. Fabulous.
I love the Charlton Heston version, but this does look rather good too. Looking forward to it :)
A Sunday afternoon favourite TV viewing! :)
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A Sunday afternoon favourite TV viewing! :)
Yep lol
They’ll have to go some to better Miklós Rózsa’s massive glorious orchestral score.
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The trailer says release December 18th.
Yeah, I noticed that at the end of the trailer after watching it in full lol
Looks quite good to me, I'm oddly pleased that its subtitled instead of having a Yankee cast (with the obligatory Englishman for the baddie). Battles look nicely grim, costume looks right (to me) and the only misgiving I have is how much Game of Thrones style shagging they will shoehorn into it for no reason.
Putting my cynic hat on again, I think that those sorts of sexual scenes are going to be a given in any historical fiction brought to a screen. Except in rare occasions (the Cohen brothers spring to mind) movies/TV series have become as formulaic as modern pop music IMHO.
Yes, I might see if I can get control of the buttons for a while next month, at least to see how the pilot plays. :)
Having said all that, if I switch to Amazon I will no doubt be watching...... ::)
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As a child I felt the same about El Cid as I did about Ben Hur. Being mad about history I delighted that such films existed, but I found them rather tedious to watch. Hours and hours of boredom waiting for the two or three thrilling short segments I knew were in there somewhere. Not sure if it was worth it, but I did it anyway.
For some reason 7-year-old Plynkes was much more willing and prepared to sit through all sleep-inducing parts to get to the good bits than 50-year-old Plynkes is. :)
I predict the new one will be terrible, even though I haven't watched the trailer. Just because everything is terrible these days (now I really sound like an old git).
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I predict the new one will be terrible, even though I haven't watched the trailer. Just because everything is terrible these days (now I really sound like an old git).
Oh dear..... where does that leave me? lol
I've just lost all faith in historical productions being i/historical (not always necessary but nice) and ii/ being remotely captivating.
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Oh, I'm talking about absolutely everything, I'm not singling out historical productions, that would be mean. :)
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Oh, I'm talking about absolutely everything, I'm not singling out historical productions, that would be mean. :)
How far back?
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I have always found it funny that nostalgia makes films/movies better or more historically accurate......
I've been watching some tosh on Netflix - basically an Indian zombie series, I won't bore you with the details but the plot is a British Battalion in the Indian Mutiny has become 'Zombieated' and run amok in modern day India.......the terrible thing was - not the acting, not the crap special effects or even the dodgy storyline/script (and it was dodgy), it was the fact that the 1857 British zombies had tricornes on......
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...it was the fact that the 1857 British zombies had tricornes on......
lol
That IS distressing.
I sympathise.
I'd better give that one a miss by the sound of things :)
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Back to the Amazon series, the trailer does not look bad : it does feature a few irritating chestnuts that have become more or less de rigueur in contemporary historical fiction (slow-motion sword fights because they look waaaay kewl that way, Our Hero rushing bare-headed into battle because you need to see his face all along) but things could be infinitely worse and the Game of Thrones-isms don't seem too intrusive. Jimena may be a hottie but we seem to be spared the mind-numbing continuous boinking that HBO revels in and the costumes even resemble the real thing (I thankfully couldn't spot any designer leather or BDSM chic in there so here's hoping...).
I might give a shot if it comes out on good old-fashioned blu-ray at some point in the future.
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.....the terrible thing was - not the acting, not the crap special effects or even the dodgy storyline/script (and it was dodgy), it was the fact that the 1857 British zombies had tricornes on......
lol
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lol
That IS distressing.
I sympathise.
I'd better give that one a miss by the sound of things :)
Probably wise.....I had a week off work and was bored out of my box and scouting Netflix/Amazon.....
Kingdom in the other hand was very good (OSIT).....16/17th century Korean zombies.....but I know next to squat about 16/17th century Korean costumes etc
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Interesting story to begin with. I liked the trailer. First of all, it looked like Spain in the 11th Century. And the armour looked decently realistic. And I can put up with the over the top special effects if the plot isn't bad.
The boinking that I suspect takes place with those 2 extremely attractive young Spanish women?... I suppose I'll have to force myself to watch it to assess if the acting's any good. I certainly hope they don't take their clothes off. That would be terrible.
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After watching the trailer several times, I think I’m going to watch this. Decent armour and sets by the look of it; not expecting historical accuracy or anything, but I much prefer subtitles and Spanish.
Now, a dumb Luddite question: I have never streamed anything on Amazon. Is it simply a case of paying for Amazon Prime and then somehow logging in with magic?
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After watching the trailer several times, I think I’m going to watch this. Decent armour and sets by the look of it; not expecting historical accuracy or anything, but I much prefer subtitles and Spanish.
Now, a dumb Luddite question: I have never streamed anything on Amazon. Is it simply a case of paying for Amazon Prime and then somehow logging in with magic?
From what I've been told/heard I think it's a case of paying for Prime then I think you (sometimes) have to pay extra for some movies/TV series. Yeah, that probably wasn't much help but it is Amazon and they're not known for their clarity. :)
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Just had a look on Prime - its an Amazon Original, so I would very much expect it to be available within prime for no extra charge.
What tends to be chargeable are new movies and the like.
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Yeah that's right, if you have Amazon Prime, you get El Cid as part of the package
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So what do y'all think?
To me the costumes don't look too bad and the arms & armour seem to be fine....maybe some of the hair is a bit long on some actors (but I dunno).
I like the reference to the new fandangled 'Norman' way of fighting with couched lance and big French horses.
Not too much 'shagging' - had a near miss with an incestuous encounter in the bath.....
Battle scenes are a bit disjointed and they seem to go from all mounted to all dismounted, in the blink of an eye.
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Oooh. Has it arrived? I shall take a look...
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I saw the first episode, quite enjoyable! These things are always going to be a bit schlocky but money had kbviously been spent on costumes etc and it looked quite good Inthought. I'll persevere with it.
I spent ages trying to work out how to sort out the audio options as I can't watch things like this dubbed amd that appeared to be the default setting. Spanish language and English subtitles for me.
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I've added it to my watch list to watch over the Christmas break. Looks to be worth a go!
Always dangerous if these things turn out to be really good - they can start giving us crazy ideas about new and unexpected projects!
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I've added it to my watch list to watch over the Christmas break. Looks to be worth a go!
Always dangerous if these things turn out to be really good - they can start giving us crazy ideas about new and unexpected projects!
I started last year sans TV series...... I'm thinking of indulging in the Amazon series, but you're right- all hell will break loose if I do!
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I watched episode 1 the other night but haven’t found time to watch more yet. Quite enjoyable although it wasn’t until the end of the episode that I figured out how to watch in Spanish with English subtitles! Some good kit and Ruy Diaz isn’t too much of a pretty boy for the role. Lovely castle and scenery so far. Some nice touches like the under/ over arm spear fighting. I will watch more.
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I watched episode 1 the other night but haven’t found time to watch more yet. Quite enjoyable although it wasn’t until the end of the episode that I figured out how to watch in Spanish with English subtitles! Some good kit and Ruy Diaz isn’t too much of a pretty boy for the role. Lovely castle and scenery so far. Some nice touches like the under/ over arm spear fighting. I will watch more.
Well, if it gets your seal of approval James that's good enough for me :)
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Started episode 1 last night. Only made it about halfway through. Found it quite heavy going. I suppose because the story is so familiar from the movie, you kind of know what’s going to happen... Also the characters are rather too obviously baddies or goodies. Not many shades of grey. Hmmm... I shall try again later... lol
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I have watched all 5 episodes, not too bad overall - no CGI, no “Troy” style stunts.
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I am of the same opinion Captain Blood.
That and the “frog without a scabbard” in the opening sequence got the show off on the wrong foot for me. Yes, I know I am an annoying stickler about such things.
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I’m now 2.5 episodes in and probably rating it about 3/5 overall. Some lovely locations and nice allusions to the El Cid story (his historical enemies put it about that he favoured the omens of birds; the complex web of alliances in 11th century Spain) but it feels a bit lacking in pace and budget. However, it is 100% better watching it in Spanish with subtitles, and I am grateful that no-one has yet thrown a sword.
Ps the scabbardless sword in episode one caused me to wince as well. It’s like using a Ferrari to take your garden rubbish to the recycling centre.
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I quite agree on the Spanish with English subtitles. Great comparison with the Ferrari, ha!
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I have watched the five episodes of this season. I like a lot the locations (well, this is my country!), and most of the costume but the actors are very bad and this is very difficult to understand them when they talk (a problem most of the Spanish actors have, in this moment...). There are some things I cannont understand, like the prominence of the Joyosa sword, the over abundance of chain mail in the mesnada and the curious and too quick end of the Battle of Graus, with Sancho deciding it has finished and he has won...
A very interesting entertaiment and not a "Spanish Middle Age documentary".
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Juan, you may be interested to know this is a big complaint about English speaking actors in the UK as well. Several big TV and streaming series over the last few years have been widely criticised for bad sound quality and the tendency for actors to mumble, so that it’s difficult to actually hear what they are saying. Sounds like it’s the same in Espana!
I finished watching episode 1, but I don’t think I will watch any more. It’s a bit too much like a pantomime for me.
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I am perseverign with this, I hate the dubbing though, how do I watch in Spanish with english subtitles instead?
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Juan, you may be interested to know this is a big complaint about English speaking actors in the UK as well.
I have always had a problem with the 'Danish Mumbler' - Mads Mikkelsen......I find that he was much better in Valhalla Rising (where is character didn't/couldn't speak)......he's also not too bad in the Carlsberg advert.......but I normally have to get my ear horn out when he is speaking....
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I am perseverign with this, I hate the dubbing though, how do I watch in Spanish with english subtitles instead?
On the menu when you've selected the programme, where you can choose episodes etc there is a subtitles option and an Audio option. You'll have to go into both of those and choose the options you want. This seems to then be a general option for Prime then, I went to watch The Expanse later and it was dubbed into Spanish!
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Ok, I finished watching episodes 4 and 5 tonight. Lack of pace and direction; it couldn’t make up its mind whether it wanted to be action, adventure, intrigue or whatever. Some nice moments and beautiful Spanish scenery but pretty patchy overall. Distinct lack of fights for a series purporting to be about El Campeodor, the most famous knight in Spain!
Needs more budget, more focus and more battles for series 2.
But it’s tempting to get the El Cid figures out of the loft!
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Ok, I finished watching episodes 4 and 5 tonight. Lack of pace and direction; it couldn’t make up its mind whether it wanted to be action, adventure, intrigue or whatever. Some nice moments and beautiful Spanish scenery but pretty patchy overall. Distinct lack of fights for a series purporting to be about El Campeodor, the most famous knight in Spain!
Needs more budget, more focus and more battles for series 2.
Sounds very much like I saved some cash then ??? Mind, I did just drop Netflix last month... on the other hand, maybe watching it might be enough to inspire tp get back into my 11thEarly 12th Spanish project? Hmmmmm ??? ??? ???
But it’s tempting to get the El Cid figures out of the loft!
lol lol lol What did I tell ya? No bad thing
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I have watched the five episodes of this season. I like a lot the locations (well, this is my country!), and most of the costume but the actors are very bad and this is very difficult to understand them when they talk (a problem most of the Spanish actors have, in this moment...). There are some things I cannot understand, like the prominence of the Joyosa sword, the over abundance of chain mail in the mesnada and the curious and too quick end of the Battle of Graus, with Sancho deciding it has finished and he has won...
A very interesting entertaiment and not a "Spanish Middle Age documentary".
Funnily enough I thought it was quite good in this respect. I could understand the actors much better than in Los Favoritos de Midas, for instance. As a foreigner living in Spain my biggest problem speaking to Spanish people is the Spanish elision - my conversations with Spanish people tend to be punctuated with "Despacio, por favor" and "Puede repetir eso, por favor", whereas when I speak to foreigners living in Spain who speak fluent Spanish, or when I read Spanish I don't have the same problem!
What seemed "off" to me was that the justification for deposing Fernando was that he wasn't prosecuting the Reconquista - but the show covers the period 1060 to 1065 - so soon after he gained the throne until he died. I thought Fernando was doing plenty of fighting against the Moors during his short reign - didn't he fight most campaign seasons when he was king?
And that cavalry charge at the Battle of Graus - they were riding like it was a horse race, what were they thinking? I did notice the over abundance of mail worn by the rank and file - but what I thought was odd was that mail seemed to be worn most of the time by the main characters rather than just when they were practising, or fighting.
For me, the big problem was that the first five episodes were like a prologue and the season ended just as the main action was about to kick off - I felt a bit let down - I don't know if the production was cut short by the lockdowns?
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We've only finished the first 3 episodes, but so far it is enjoyable. I was actually fairly gratified by the mail and helmets. Unlike other shows, when in combat they are actually wearing appropriate coifs/helmets/gear rather than running about in D&D/LARP costumes with no helmets (maybe I have not made it as far, but the tourney and Ruy's first field engagement looked pretty good).
So overall enjoying it so far. It's vastly superior to Netflix's Barbarians so far, and scale/costuming is better than The Last Kingdom or Vikings.
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But it’s tempting to get the El Cid figures out of the loft!
We could see how Midgard works for Reconquista..?
El Cidgard.
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We could see how Midgard works for Reconquista..?
El Cidgard.
I wanted to ask the very same question but wasn't sure if I ought to raise it. It would be interesting to find out so please include me as an observer of possible James and Tom :)
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"And the legend beggins..."
I liked so far. Very entertaining and diferent from many other series.
Clothes where nice and not the usual "curtains" as historical wardrobe.
Acting could be better as well as the battle scenes but overall i think its pretty reasonable.
I think Spain is getting with a right foot on the international television market.
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"And the legend beggins..."
I think Spain is getting with a right foot on the international television market.
Both Amazon and Netflix have both said they want to invest in more content for Southern Europe (which for them is currently just Spain and Italy) so expect to see more Spanish & Italian productions in the near future. Netflix already have several productions in their line up from last year, mostly set in Andalusia. Warrior Nun and Toy Boy are absurd programmes but the locations are gorgeous.
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I saw the first four part and like it a lot. There are flaws, but overall very good show. And there are some nice details like the dispute about this new norman style use of a lance. lol
No undercut hair style and no biker leather trousers! I hate vikings and all this fantasy shows ...
Despite a decent German dubbed version, I saw the Spanish version with subtitles and this really adds a lot of flavour.
I have to look in my basement for the WAB El CiD supplement.
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Both Amazon and Netflix have both said they want to invest in more content for Southern Europe (which for them is currently just Spain and Italy)
The First and Second Italian Wars would make for a great series. French, Swiss, Italian and Spanish with guns roaring and pikes levelled- what's not to like?
Someone write a script and get it sent it! :D
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The First and Second Italian Wars would make for a great series. French, Swiss, Italian and Spanish with guns roaring and pikes levelled- what's not to like?
Someone write a script and get it sent it! :D
Only if we get hundreds of guys bashing on each other....
Makes me miss older Hollywood films, when there really were 5k people in the stands.