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Title: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 15, 2020, 04:52:25 PM
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ABOUT THE RANGE

Greetings! Welcome to the first launch of Talos Miniatures!
My name is Yannis (Ioannis) Katsanakis and Im a graphic designer living in Athens. I have a long interest in ancient Greece since childhood, and this project begun as a personal labour of love. It was a real journey of expanding my novice sculpting skills and (to the best of my ability) creating historically accurate miniatures based on primary sources, archaeological finds and well researched illustrations. As I already mentioned the original plan was to create some minis for my own use and for my wargamming mates. Only after the comments in this very forum, I realised that there was an interest in reproducing my miniatures for commercial use. So here they are, cast in high quality resin!
Keep in mind that this is a garage kit. That does not mean low quality standards but it is a limited numbers range. The orders will be fullfilled on a ''first come, first served'' basis. There are plans for the further expansion of the range and possibly adding more themes, but the continuation of the commercial availability will depend from the interest of the miniature community.


WHAT YOU GET
The miniatures are going to be sold as a set only. Each Phalanx set will have 6 multipart minis. Along side with the Phalanx set, a spare head set will be available for purchace, with 5 heads and 5 separate plumes. More spare head sets will be available in the future.

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PRICING & SHIPPING

Each Phalanx miniature set of 6 figures will come at the cost of 30 euros
Each spare head set of 5 heads will come at the price of 5 euros

The parcels will be shipped with Hellenic Postal Service (ELTA), registered, A class priority with tracking number. The shipping cost worldwide will be 8 euros.
Multiple item orders will be have combined shipping.

HOW TO ORDER
PM me with your desired quantity of Phalanx sets and head sets. I will get back at you with the total amount and my personal paypal account link. Once the payment has gone through, I will pack your order and ship it to you asap.

IMPORTANT NOTE
Greece is still under a national lockdown due to the pandemic and there are rumours that xmass might be canceled. Because of the overload in the postal service please have in mind that there might be some delay. Also from my part due to movement restrictions and actually trying to avoid catching the plague  ;D I will have to limit my visits to the post office. So please have in mind that I will post your orders once or twice (depending from the situation) in a week.

You can follow the progress and wip of this range in this thread
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=117693.0 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=117693.0)
Thank you very much for your interest!
Yannis

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Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: DintheDin on November 15, 2020, 10:41:38 PM
Wonderful!!!
Captain! I wish you all the best!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: NickNascati on November 16, 2020, 01:13:21 AM
Beautiful figures, but the set of six is a poor mix for a gamer wishing to us them to build a Greek army.  Two out of the six I would consider special characters, and maybe even the hop lite with his foot on a rock.  You need to create a couple more ordinary hoplites and build up a set of six fighters.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Muzfish4 on November 16, 2020, 05:00:24 AM
Awesome stuff. I am just deciding how many sets I want and will PM you once this is finalised.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Burnin Coal on November 16, 2020, 06:01:27 AM
Well done Captain ! They look excellent  :-*  PM incoming
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Tonhel on November 16, 2020, 07:40:16 AM
I love it! :-* Purely based on the pictures these are the best 28 mm hoplites I've seen. I am in! ;-)

Beautiful figures, but the set of six is a poor mix for a gamer wishing to us them to build a Greek army.  Two out of the six I would consider special characters, and maybe even the hop lite with his foot on a rock.  You need to create a couple more ordinary hoplites and build up a set of six fighters.

For a mass ranked ruleset, these are indeed a bit harder to use if you want to make units, but these are also a first release. I too would love to have a set of more mundane / poorer hoplites to fill out the ranks, but I think that this first release will work wonderful when combined with the Victrix plastic Greek sets and even the Victrix Macedonian Hypaspists sets when you use the head set.

For the game "Mortal Gods" I will using them.  Aristodemos and Polynikes will be both a Lochagos and Kalimachos will be  a Promachos. Kleon and Kimon will each be added to a group of experienced hoplites. Lysandros will be more of a painting project.

Hopefully Yannis will be encouraged to make more hoplites in the future so there is even more choice. A group of more mundane hoplites would ofcourse be great. I.e  3 or 4 one piece bodies with seperate head and right arm set would give more diversity for unit building . They would look beter than the Victrix Athens/Theban/Spartan and Mercenary sets and hopefully a bit more dynamic than the Victrix Macedonian Hypaspists set.

I also love the head set. I have most of the Footsore head sets and while I really like them, these do look even better. :D
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: pallard on November 16, 2020, 09:31:17 AM
This pack is a command set of historical generals that's why you may only need part of them on the table at the same time. One Spartan and the rest Athenians.
Did the strategoi keep these vintage helmet crests into the Peloponnesian war? They look quite more adaptated to the Persians war period.
Anyway great miniatures! You are on my radar now.
Philippe
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 16, 2020, 10:51:50 AM
Wonderful!!!
Captain! I wish you all the best!

Thank you Dino for your kind words and support!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Bloggard on November 16, 2020, 11:10:26 AM
not in the market for such figures -but to just say - absolutely superb work.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 16, 2020, 11:23:58 AM
Beautiful figures, but the set of six is a poor mix for a gamer wishing to us them to build a Greek army.  Two out of the six I would consider special characters, and maybe even the hop lite with his foot on a rock.  You need to create a couple more ordinary hoplites and build up a set of six fighters.

This range was focused on strategoi, lochagoi and notable heroes. Lysandros was created by using as a refference a famous spartan statuette, more as a vignette or command base unit. The rest of the minis are fighting officers. In classical warfare the officers took their places in the front line, so you can easily fit these in a phalanx.
This is a first launch, testing the water. Due to the production costs of resin casting, you cant antagonize the prices of metal and plastic if you do not offer something different. But if there is an interest in full resin armies, i would be very happy to oblige with a set of rank and file in the future.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 16, 2020, 12:44:41 PM
This pack is a command set of historical generals that's why you may only need part of them on the table at the same time. One Spartan and the rest Athenians.
Did the strategoi keep these vintage helmet crests into the Peloponnesian war? They look quite more adaptated to the Persians war period.
Anyway great miniatures! You are on my radar now.
Philippe

Technically there are 2 spartans. Lysandros and Polynikes  :). But this can be altered by using a different head. The high elaborate crests were probably dropped by the end of the persian wars, but there are pottery depictions of high or double and triple crests, used by officers and leaders. Perhaps even members of the upper class with aristocratic lineage.
Historically this range sits at the end of the persian wars and the start of the pelloponesian war, so they can be used for both. Im thinking of introducing a range of archaic hoplites also in the future. With bell cuirasses and extra panoply parts for the abdoment, thighs, legs and arms.
Generally the plumes and helmets are seperate and you can mix and match or even make conversions with other miniature lines out there.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Mindenbrush on November 16, 2020, 01:08:26 PM
Very nice sculpts, good luck with your venture 👍
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 16, 2020, 01:24:07 PM
Very nice sculpts, good luck with your venture 👍
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Jjonas on November 16, 2020, 06:24:52 PM
Looks like a very inspiring set of officers and kings for Greek armies or skirmish games. I reckon they will be fun to paint.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 16, 2020, 11:28:29 PM
Looks like a very inspiring set of officers and kings for Greek armies or skirmish games. I reckon they will be fun to paint.
Thank you very much  :)
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: wds0855 on November 20, 2020, 09:22:19 AM
The details on these figures is off the charts. You have really RAISED the bar on what can be accomplished in this scale. Fantastic.

Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 20, 2020, 02:34:32 PM
The details on these figures is off the charts. You have really RAISED the bar on what can be accomplished in this scale. Fantastic.
thank you so much!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: aphillathehun on November 20, 2020, 07:33:52 PM

these are really incredible.  Much success to you on this venture!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: pallard on November 21, 2020, 12:42:34 PM
Hi captain
End of the Persian wars suits me perfectly as I intend to try an Athenian force in the Egyptian revolt around 450BC and given both following factors: the keeping of war gear from generation to generation inside families, and the prestige of earlier heroic periods on elite or noble citizens.
Philippe
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 21, 2020, 12:51:55 PM
They are lovely sculpts  :)
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: abu iskander on November 21, 2020, 07:30:51 PM
They're really excellent. I'll be picking up a set or two, maybe more.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 23, 2020, 05:07:06 PM
Hi captain
End of the Persian wars suits me perfectly as I intend to try an Athenian force in the Egyptian revolt around 450BC and given both following factors: the keeping of war gear from generation to generation inside families, and the prestige of earlier heroic periods on elite or noble citizens.
Philippe

You can always use one of the 2 optional head sets if you do not want the elaborate crests. Also note that the crests are not attached so you can mix and match.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 23, 2020, 05:07:49 PM
They're really excellent. I'll be picking up a set or two, maybe more.

Thank you so much!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 23, 2020, 05:08:36 PM
They are lovely sculpts  :)
Thank you Oshiro, Im a big fan of your work!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 23, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
UPDATE
I added an extra set of 5 heads in my small range.

1 head with corinthian helmet
1 head with thracian helmet
1 head with an attic helmet with its cheakguards lifted
1 head with an attic composite scaled helmet
1 bare head with a laurel (stefanos)

If you already made a pre-order no worries, you can always add them in  when I will contact you to comfirm your order in afew days  ;)
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Tonhel on November 23, 2020, 09:24:53 PM
I really, really love head set 2!  :-* :-* :-* It's art in 28 mm!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Muzfish4 on November 23, 2020, 09:36:06 PM
It is indeed - I'll be adding (at least) one of those to my order!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: cadbren on November 27, 2020, 08:51:24 PM
They're fantastic sculpts.

Have you considered doing non-combatants? Attendants holding jugs of wine/water or figures suitable for statues like gods, caryatids etc?
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: DivisMal on November 27, 2020, 09:42:14 PM
Hello Iannis, these models look beautiful and who doesn’t love the old Greeks!

Currently not in the condition to order, but certainly interested and will contact you soon!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 29, 2020, 01:16:23 PM
They're fantastic sculpts.

Have you considered doing non-combatants? Attendants holding jugs of wine/water or figures suitable for statues like gods, caryatids etc?

I do have an interest in small vignettes and civilians. I was thinking of doing a scene depicted in pottery of  warriors carrying a dead, but i dont know if there would be enough interest to warrant production of 5 non action minis. I was also thinking of doing a carrying the shield and campaign provisions of his master. Or a farewell scene vignete with the wife handing the shield to her husbant. Probably at some point i will just do these even if its just for me and my mates.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on November 29, 2020, 02:52:42 PM
I do have an interest in small vignettes and civilians. I was thinking of doing a scene depicted in pottery of  warriors carrying a dead, but i dont know if there would be enough interest to warrant production of 5 non action minis. I was also thinking of doing a carrying the shield and campaign provisions of his master. Or a farewell scene vignete with the wife handing the shield to her husbant. Probably at some point i will just do these even if its just for me and my mates.

Those all sound amazing!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Burnin Coal on November 29, 2020, 04:42:00 PM
I do have an interest in small vignettes and civilians. I was thinking of doing a scene depicted in pottery of  warriors carrying a dead, but i dont know if there would be enough interest to warrant production of 5 non action minis. I was also thinking of doing a carrying the shield and campaign provisions of his master. Or a farewell scene vignete with the wife handing the shield to her husbant. Probably at some point i will just do these even if its just for me and my mates.

Can I be on your “mates” list please ?  ;)  lol
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on November 30, 2020, 12:58:27 PM
Can I be on your “mates” list please ?  ;)  lol

 lol lol
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Muzfish4 on December 01, 2020, 06:35:02 AM
Indeed, this all sounds fantastic.

There is quite a nice illustration of a Hellenistic mercenary farewelling his wife and child with a servant (slave?) in the background lugging his kit in the Sep/Oct 2020 issue of Ancient Warfare that might be useful for inspiration.

Unsurprisingly, I'd be keen to join the cohort of mates for these and similar offerings.
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on December 04, 2020, 12:43:27 PM
Hey guys
Since Greece is still under a lockdown and there is a chance that xmass will be canceled this year, I decided that there is no reason to keep you waiting. I updated the initial method of ordering. From now on you can PM me your order, I will get back at you with the total and the paypal link. Once your payment has gone through the system, I will prepare your order, ship it to you asap given the circumstances and PM you your tracking number.

Today it was shipping day. Talos miniatures boxed and ready to start their Odyssey towards their new homes in europe and overseas. I have to say that I feel excited  :D
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: DintheDin on December 04, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
Captain, I wish a good trip to them and a good start for your own endeavor!
Cheers!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Tonhel on December 04, 2020, 07:13:20 PM
Great news!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on December 04, 2020, 09:08:47 PM
Thank you Dino and Tonhel!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on December 31, 2020, 06:04:19 PM
This year was a tough one for all. Being able to keep ourselves occupied with our little hobby, provided much needed comfort and peace of mind. Also having readily available a stock of nitrile gloves, good facemasks and isopropyl alchohol for airbrushing proved suprisingly combat ready for a geeky hobby  lol.
I would like to wish a happy new year, good health and prosperity to everybody in our little community! I would also like to thank you for your feedback and support.
Right now 5 new Greek hoplite minis are slowly forming up to take their place in the ranks of a phallanx.  :)
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: DintheDin on December 31, 2020, 06:06:45 PM
Happy new year and good health to you!
I wish you to see all your projects fulfilled and your work to receive the recognition it deserves!!!
Cheers!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Burnin Coal on December 31, 2020, 06:23:41 PM
All the best to you Captain - I’ve currently got one of your guys on my workbench so am looking forward to seeing your project evolve and wishing you success along the way
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Tonhel on December 31, 2020, 07:21:49 PM
Happy new year!

All the best to you Captain - I’ve currently got one of your guys on my workbench so am looking forward to seeing your project evolve and wishing you success along the way

I can't wait to see what you do with it!
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Jjonas on December 31, 2020, 08:15:09 PM
I received my well packaged set and started to break the bits apart.

My first impression is that these are incredible sculpts and castings so thanks Talos. They do not disappoint.
I started assembling the Aristodemos model, since it had a spear and I wanted to explore that first. Also this is one of the more spectacular figures with its double crested Corinthian helmet.

The first thought is these are well proportioned but very large scale figures- larger than jumbo 28mm figures. They tower over older 28’s such as Foundry. Their fine proportions also make them seem unique when placed next to the often squat-like 28mm game figures we are used to.
I found them to be very compatible with the Footsore Mortal Gods figures- which are also resin and leaner proportioned figures.

The resin is very nicely cast and I had little trouble cleaning the tiny bits other than my fumble thumbs. The pinned arms made things go quickly but I do recommend test fitting, especially this one with the wide crest. My Loctite Super glue Gel control worked fine for assembly. The armor details are really spectacular as are the head details and hair styles- very accurate for Greeks- something that is often puzzlingly overlooked by sculptors. This model’s Gorgon bronze breastplate is a work of art. His heroic pose certainly will make him stand out as an Archon in any force.

The figures are tall also because their bases are a bit thicker than metals but they can be filed down a few mm. I can tell that like the other skirmish game direction games are going these will need 22-15mm bases for space. Swords are dainty and nice. I found the shields to be very large- which is ok for characters, but rank and file will feel left out. This one’s shield was warped but I can address that later since I ordered the full set I have extras. The spear and hand attachment gives me the willy’s because I know any kind of gaming use is going to crack it. Also the spear is thick compared to the dainty in scale swords. I may have to replace it but I hesitate sine the blade and saroter are so well done. I may just use a sword hand for this haven't made up my mind yet.

So that’s my take first glance. Excellent figures that I know are going to look great painted. Taller than usual 28’s but perfectly fit with all the skirmish games coming out.

Thanks Talos for raising the bar on details for our hoplite aficionados!
More to come on www.ancientbattles.com soon I hope to entertain these in the new year!
Jeff

Here’s a quick on the desk photo. Left to right Gorgon Studios 28mm Spartan, Talos Aristodemos, Footsore Spartan (Mortal Gods), Talos Lysandros, Foundry 28mm Spartan :


Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Tonhel on December 31, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
I agree with Jjonas :)

Here a couple of more scale pictures. From left to right.
Footsore metal, Talos miniature, 3x Victrix body with Talos head, Talos miniature, Footsore resin Thrakian.
The 2x Talos miniature + 3x Victrix miniatures shields and bases are WIP.

Edit: I replaced the spears with a plastic Victrix spear, to bring everything more in scale with the Victrix mini's. I also removed the casted base.

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More Talos heads on Victrix bodies.
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Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Muzfish4 on January 02, 2021, 03:17:29 AM
I concur - terrific stuff.  I received my box on New Year's Eve (a working day here) and was surprised by how quickly it got here.  That wasn't the only surprise; the packaging and presentation were excellent:

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Above: Presentation box

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Above: The contents of the box are very well packaged and should withstand rough handling by your postal service

No breakages en route with this sort of care and attention to detail. The box also looks great with the Talos logo on a 'slip cover' and would make for an excellent gift presentation pack.

The contents are equally good. The multi-part miniatures are all really well cast and will not, I anticipate, require too much cleaning up. Some helmets also have small holes in their top to receive the pin in the base of the crests which should make fitting very straightforward.

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Above: Commander minaiture with separate cape and three heads - one for holding as a trophy and the other give a good choice for individualising the miniatures

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Above: Rank-and-file hoplite - note the resin cast spear.

I also grabbed one of each of the head sets and can see these getting used to give interesting variations to plastic miniatures.

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Above: both head sets with separate crests for further variation

Size-wise, these are at the larger end of the 28mm spectrum. As noted above, they work very will with Victrix and offer a lot of character and variety for both skirmish and larger-scale miniatures gaming.

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Above: Victrix (left) and Talos (right) for comparison

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Above: Victrix body with a couple of sample Talos heads - they both look to fit and scale perfectly

So, overall a very impressive set of miniatures. This set could be the start of something really special.


Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on January 02, 2021, 12:53:59 PM
Thank you for the feedback guys! I highly encourage critisism as well, it can only make the future product better and dont worry about hurting my feelings. Being able to take and analyze feedback is part of the graphic designer’s job description. So no sensitive artiste here  lol.

I wish to address some of the points made in order to shed some more light.

Size/Proportions

Coming from a scale modelling background (plus an artistic one involving drawing/painting), I always hated with passion the squated dwarf like anatomy of the classic tabletop minis. I understand that the style became an industry standard and most professional sculptors cater to this classic look. Personally I like minis that try to stay closer to a more realistic anatomy.
An average man anatomically is about 6,5 heads tall and if we are aiming for a super heroic anatomy we are going into the 8 head high territory. The stubby style minis are in the area of 4 heads high. If you take a look at the pic Jjonas posted you will realize that the heads of the shorter minis would easily fit Talos miniatures and some of them would even probably be on the big side. The same goes for the arms and torsos.
So my aim was to create basically wha was not available for me to buy as a hobbyist/customer. Historically accurate hoplites with more or less ‘‘correct’’ proportions.  I wanted minis that if we could only see a silouette or shadow of them, they would look like men, not hobbits  ;D
I based the minis height on two metallic Footsore ones for Mortal Gods by Stavros Zouliatis. Stavros actually is a friend of my brother and he was kind enough to share some insight on the armature construction. Prior to these minis I had done some conversions of Perry War of the Roses, a Burgundian in romanesque armour based on a Perry mini understructure and a Byzantine cataphract. So these 5, were practically my first minis sculpted from the ground up. 2 of them, Kallimachos and Aristodemos, are abit taller but imo they fit in due to their proportions as taller men. To be completely honest I was in a state of ‘’Look mom I made a mini’’  lol so I wasnt going to risk cutting them down and destroying them for 2 extra mm, especially when even victrix is not consistent among its plastics.

The base
The base adds to the height effect. Also if you notice I raised the minis just abit off the ground level for two reasons.
A) To be able to easily saw off the base if you want. B)If you decide to keep it to accomodate for basing materials without making the foot look as if it sinks in mud.
Initially The minis were intended to come with an intergrated thin 25mm round base with sculpted texture ready for painting. After doing a first run,  I realised why 9 out of 10 companies do not do it  lol. Its a packaging nightmare and its difficult to cast. The base doubles basically as a pouring funnel. So the resin as it sets will sink abit and possible air bubbles will end up going up at the bottom of the base. Imaging having to set miniatures aside as miscasts because of a friggin base..

The Dory
I was really puzzled with the dory production wise. One option was to have open hands and not provide a spear. I dont like that as a customer and I guess nobody else does. Plus these open hands usually are crudely made because fingers are a casting nightmare (as I also found out after an experiment). Then there was the option of these standard steel spears. I dont like the way they look, I would have to buy them from a third party overseas adding to waiting time and expenses, AND I DONT LIKE THEM  lol. There was a thought of providing my version of proper metallic spears out of copper wire but logic prevailed  lol. Then I thought of casting a spearhead and sauroter out of resin and provide a rod. But all this drilling would be something that most people would like to avoid.
So I went with the soundest solution. A thicker Dory to withstand breaking and bending. Actually its quite strong. In the ones that I assembled I put a small pin for extra extra safety and you can easily lift the mini by the spear without breaking. Even the ones that fell over or other minis fell over them in the box that i keep them, held up. Now IT IS resin and there is only so much strenght to it.
I recognise a mistake I made. I was aiming for accuracy and made the proper length of a dory. Its one of the times that I need someone over my head to scream ‘’ You are not making scale models you idiot!!!’’  lol. I should keep it at the same length with the Victrix ones. If somebody wants to shorten it down its a quite easy conversion with a small drill and a pin to connect the pieces again. But I should have foreseen it that people would like it not to stand out so much even if its accurate.

Lessons Learned, Things to improve, Things to come
Molding and casting my sculpts by myself, was a pain at many points, as I had to test different brands of material and methods in order to find out what works for me. But it also gave me a small degree of understanding of the technical aspect and control on the product. There is a reason why most manufacturers instruct their sculptors to keep their figures within the limits of one plane and limit protruding details and undercuts. While Im not willing to give up more ‘‘vivid’’ poses even if its way harder to cast, at least now I know where to cut the minis and the optimal way to do it.
On the next figures I wish to improve upon the ease of assembly so even novices can do it as fast and easy as possible given the material and detailed small parts. Also I wish to bring the scale down just a tiny bit, so the rank and file units Im currently making fit better with Victrix plastics. Im not going to distort the proportions just make the guys abit shorter. Victrix basically have no neck and they are clipping away 2-3mm from the thighs, if you add these back they will be as tall as mine.
I also aim for making some extra pair of hands, that will make the next 5 minis, even more able for variations and kitbashes, combined with the head sets. If all goes well, you will be able to assemble a formidable phalanx that will look like a miniature McBride or Connoly illustration. Dont hesitate to post any ideas.

@Jjonas
Cant wait to see Talos minis posted in your site!

@Tonhel
I love the vivid color schemes!!

@Muzfish4
Extra thanks for mentioning the box. There is not a readily available box that could follow the postal service guidelines (if you dont want the shipping to skyrocket) and accomodate in the safest possible way the minis. Due to the lock down I couldnt custom order boxes because the packaging companies are either closed down or do not deliver to the location I am (my country side residence out of Athens). So... yeah I had to make them myself. At least in that way I ensured that they are postal service proof  ;D

Thank you all again  :-*


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Post by: Fremitus Borealis on January 02, 2021, 08:01:32 PM
Wow, Captain, fascinating look at the thought process of your minis! I enjoyed reading everything that went into them.
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Post by: Jjonas on January 03, 2021, 08:55:34 PM
"@Jjonas
Cant wait to see Talos minis posted in your site!"

Me too. I also was trying some experiments with the extra heads on plastic bodies. I decided that I will do the first character with a sword instead of spear. (I am too fumble thumbed to pin such a small joint.)

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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 29, 2021, 02:36:22 PM
Hi Captain Harlock.   Firstly I'd like to say your figures are superb.  The fact you are new to sculpting miniatures only adds to the awe I feel for your skills.  I've tried a few sculpts  and given up in disgust at my sculpting skills.   I was wondering if you'd considered larger sets and more mass production to bring down the cost  per unit.   Given they are compatible w Victrix and  Warlord Games kits  if  you were to make sprues of the 5 bodies and heads plus another set of head options you could sell say 6 sprues = 30 figures.   With kitbashing w  Victrix/Warlord games this would provide a huge number of permutations of unique soldiers and make your beautiful guys more cost effective.   
Title: Re: [Commercial] TALOS MINIATURES - Updated- New head set
Post by: Captain Harlock on February 03, 2021, 10:41:04 PM
Hi Captain Harlock.   Firstly I'd like to say your figures are superb.  The fact you are new to sculpting miniatures only adds to the awe I feel for your skills.  I've tried a few sculpts  and given up in disgust at my sculpting skills.   I was wondering if you'd considered larger sets and more mass production to bring down the cost  per unit.   Given they are compatible w Victrix and  Warlord Games kits  if  you were to make sprues of the 5 bodies and heads plus another set of head options you could sell say 6 sprues = 30 figures.   With kitbashing w  Victrix/Warlord games this would provide a huge number of permutations of unique soldiers and make your beautiful guys more cost effective.

Hi! Thanks for your kind words!
I would say give sculpting another try. I might have minimal experience in sculpting, but due to drawing I already knew the basics of proportions and anatomy, so I had a bit of a headstart. You just need to press on and as with drawing think analyticaly, breaking down the large forms into smaller basic geometric shapes. It has more to do with observation and eye-hand coordination than with talent.

The problem with offering sprues, is the extremely high cost of plastic molds. I mean even well established and extremely successful companies are crowdfunding their new plastic ranges now. Im a one man band. You know playing, guitar, harmonica, singing and kicking the drum  lol. Since plastic is out of the question we are left with the options of metal and resin. Metal is theoretically cheaper but I have no access to a metal casting company in Greece and until the whole Brexit thing settles down to an understanding between EU and UK (which I think that will eventually be  possible) I cant access british casting services. On top of that, metal simply cannot capture all the detail. Resin on the other hand is easier to use in garage kit situations, captures the detail PERFECTLY (seriously I cant tell the masters from the repros), but has higher costs involved due to the gradual deterioration of the molds.

BUT the next wave of Talos minis will be 6 standing hoplites and one kneeling heavy archer that could also double as Marine. Im aiming for interchangable arms, weapons options, heads (a possible third set) and if you add to these the victrix ones, then you can have ALOT of variation. Im thinking to make them available as set and as single minis so people wil be free to mix order as many as they want from each pose. There will be overhand and underhand grips of spears and swords. I would be able to show more but a shoulder injury pushed my plans back for awhile. Im determined to make myself a full phalanx  lol
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Post by: Muzfish4 on February 04, 2021, 02:14:19 AM
Thanks for the very considered reply.

All the best with recovery from your injury and I do look forward to seeing the next tranche of Talos.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 04, 2021, 07:05:04 AM
Yeah, Thanks Captain Harlock.   Great to hear you'll sculpt more and offer bigger sets. It's definitely on my wish list to pick up a set.   My understanding re plastic sprues it that there is quite a heavy initial outlay for the setup costs but once done the cost per sprue to produce is low.  But I understand you  need to sell ~  2000 boxes of say 30 figures to break even.  Depends on many factors obviously.  Anyhow I'll look forward to picking up a bigger set of your guys whatever format they appear in.  :)   
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Post by: Tonhel on February 04, 2021, 07:29:54 AM
Hello Yannis,

Hopefully everything will be fine with your shoulder!


Your next batch sounds perfect! :-*
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 04, 2021, 12:51:49 PM
Just curious, do you sculpt as " 3 ups"    or at the actual 1:56 scale ? 
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Post by: Captain Harlock on February 04, 2021, 03:21:06 PM
Just curious, do you sculpt as " 3 ups"    or at the actual 1:56 scale ?
No I sculpt in real size. 3ups are used when industrial reproduction is involved, Im sculpting molding and casting everything myself in my home  :D
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Post by: Jjonas on February 04, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
No I sculpt in real size. 3ups are used when industrial reproduction is involved, Im sculpting molding and casting everything myself in my home  :D

We can tell! They are on my workbench, love the detail.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 05, 2021, 06:11:40 AM
Even more impressive to get that detail at the final 1:56  scale !
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Post by: Jjonas on July 18, 2021, 02:11:35 AM

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Post by: DintheDin on July 18, 2021, 09:25:52 AM
Outstanding!!!  :-*
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Post by: Captain Harlock on July 21, 2021, 02:51:21 PM
Reds
ΟΗ ΒΟΥ  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*