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Title: Return to The Punic Wars
Post by: sgzleada71 on December 12, 2020, 11:16:18 AM
On returning to miniature painting ~ 5 yrs ago, after many years layoff since childhood,  I did a 2nd Punic war, Battle of Lake Trasimene Diorama.  Since then my knowledge of the period has grown as have my miniature skills so I feel it's time to revisit this most epic period of ancient history.   I thought it  might be nice to share some of the works in progress here and get any tips/ suggestions and other feedback.     
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 12, 2020, 11:21:47 AM
This was my effort   a few years ago.   You may note some historical inaccuracies  ie  Lorica Segmentata.  ( Hollywood  error !)   In fact  most of the Romans look post Marian reforms  now I look at them.    Anyhow that's the starting point.   I'm now working on a series of smaller  modular Punic war "brigades" .    Will show progress shots soon.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 12, 2020, 11:26:05 AM
hand painted Iberian Shields ( not very well). 
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Post by: Mindenbrush on December 12, 2020, 11:37:43 AM
That is quite the diorama, last time I saw anything like that was at Hamburg’s Tactica show.
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Post by: Fremitus Borealis on December 12, 2020, 03:42:32 PM
Wow, that is really cool! I've thought about trying my hand at dioramas here and there. I always talk myself out of it, due to lack of skill ( :D ) and the fact that, in my head at least, once the minis are part of a diorama, that's where they are, and you can't use them for anything else. But I gotta say, your presentation here is really inspiring!
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 13, 2020, 12:39:21 AM
Thanks guys  but that's the work form ~ 2 yrs ago.     Here's the more recent stuff.   Starting w  my Carthaginian Sacred Band  backed by big Bull Elephant.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 13, 2020, 12:40:22 AM
from the front ...
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 13, 2020, 12:41:25 AM
and the view the camp followers would have got ...
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 13, 2020, 12:44:53 AM
other side

models mostly from Victrix,  a few Agema guys a bit of kit bashing  etc..

Really liking the Agema figures.    More of them to come  especially w the Roman Manipular Legion.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 14, 2020, 02:51:23 PM
starting on some Roman Princepes.  Picked up this nice orange brown paint by Reaper the other day to use on their tunics.   I like the colour a lot. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 14, 2020, 02:53:34 PM
bit more done ...
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Post by: Codsticker on December 15, 2020, 06:43:39 AM
 I like your bases and the staged photos- Wonderful work.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 15, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Thanks Codsticker.    Here's the 1st principe ( principe principe you could say :)   )    almost done ....
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 15, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
Velites based now .   Mostly  Agema figures.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 15, 2020, 12:56:12 PM
and from reverse..

I used a new method for me to base.   Glued the figures to the board then made a perimeter border of masking tape.    As it was going to be difficult to get between the legs and soothe out the stands with modeling putty, as I do for single figures, I  tried just pouring in a thin layer of  epoxy resin mixed with dark paint.   Once semi dry I sprinkled in some grit.   Then just gave a wash of Citadel Nuln Oil  and a  bit of grass.    I'm  pretty happy with the result and made things a lot easier. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 20, 2020, 05:47:44 AM
Principal Princepe done !
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 20, 2020, 05:49:26 AM
Agema guy  w  Victrix shield and transfer by LBMS
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 28, 2020, 10:06:28 AM
2nd brigade of Velites.   Mostly  Victrix this time.   

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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 28, 2020, 10:08:00 AM
More Velites done.    Mostly Victrix w  some Agema. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 28, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
again
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 28, 2020, 10:10:16 AM
and ...
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 28, 2020, 01:51:04 PM
Triarii.    Mostly Agema.  The back row both corners are Aventine. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 28, 2020, 01:52:16 PM
Triarii again
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 28, 2020, 01:53:13 PM
No retreat !
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Post by: Burnin Coal on December 28, 2020, 05:45:19 PM
The Agema and Victrix figures make great looking Triarii
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 02, 2021, 01:03:38 AM
Just completed my Libyan skirmishers.   Mostly Victrix. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 02, 2021, 01:04:28 AM
again
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Post by: cadbren on January 04, 2021, 08:51:14 AM
That Agema princeps is really nice, great paintjob on the face. The Libyans clothes are too shiny, maybe a(nother) coat of matt clear. Looking great though.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 04, 2021, 01:11:08 PM
That Agema princeps is really nice, great paintjob on the face. The Libyans clothes are too shiny, maybe a(nother) coat of matt clear. Looking great though.

Thanks cadbren.  Good suggestion w the matte.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 10, 2021, 05:04:03 AM
Liby-Phoencian Foot.    Agema figures,  slightly modified. 



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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 10, 2021, 05:05:08 AM
back
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 15, 2021, 12:29:06 PM
Roman Equites enter the contest. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 15, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
metal models. I think by Warlord Games.  I bought a few yrs ago and sat in the cupboard neglected till now.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 23, 2021, 06:06:01 AM
Phoenician Foot --  made by combining and modifying Agema Roman and Carthaginian kits.  Made simple linothoraxes from paper.  Not 100%  happy w them but add another interesting unit to my diverse Punic force. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 23, 2021, 06:06:58 AM
PF 2
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 23, 2021, 06:09:01 AM
PF3
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Post by: tomek917 on January 23, 2021, 11:45:44 AM
These look great, especially the equites!

Quite impressed by the Agema miniatures too!
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 30, 2021, 01:55:57 AM
some elite Punics

Victrix models although the middle guy's head is from Wargames Atlantic Persians w crest added.   Shields hand painted. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 30, 2021, 01:59:43 AM
North African Forest Elephants ( now sadly extinct)  in the service of  Carthage. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 30, 2021, 02:01:33 AM
Howdahs custom made. 
Larger tusks made from Milliput
Mostly Victrix  models.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 30, 2021, 02:09:03 AM
again
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Post by: Burnin Coal on January 30, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Nice modifications to the elephants
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 13, 2021, 06:01:03 AM
Some Numidian Cavalry ride into action....

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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 13, 2021, 06:01:58 AM
Numidian commander
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 13, 2021, 06:03:50 AM
regular guy
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 13, 2021, 06:04:11 AM
and again
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 13, 2021, 06:04:48 AM
final view   :) 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 20, 2021, 02:31:24 AM
Balearic slings.    Quite a mixed bunch.  mostly modified  Victrix,  stone bags and some slings from Warlord Games  "Caesars' Legion Advancing w Gladius". Which oddly come w options to make some as slingers. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 20, 2021, 02:31:54 AM
2
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 20, 2021, 02:32:23 AM
3
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Post by: wmyers on February 20, 2021, 03:39:44 AM
Looks good!

“Regular Guy” looks like Wargames Factory horse (and figure minus head).
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 20, 2021, 06:17:03 AM
Correct.   Head is a Victrix Numidian.
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Post by: Fremitus Borealis on February 20, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
Very nice! I really like the mixing and matching of different bits into units as you've done here!
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 21, 2021, 05:24:28 AM
Yeah thanks  FB.    That's the benefit of being a compulsive miniature kit buyer :).    I have literally hundreds of guys and thousands of left over bits kicking around.   I hardly ever make a unit straight up as intended by a single manufacturer. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on February 28, 2021, 05:54:03 AM
I see V&V miniatures have some nice looking Carthaginian Officers out.  Pity the cost of figures and postage is way above industry standard or I'd jump to add them to my army. 

https://vminiatures.com/28-mm/carthage-28/carthage-command
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Post by: wmyers on February 28, 2021, 03:44:22 PM
I see V&V miniatures have some nice looking Carthaginian Officers out.  Pity the cost of figures and postage is way above industry standard or I'd jump to add them to my army. 

https://vminiatures.com/28-mm/carthage-28/carthage-command

They are nice looking figures but how fragile are they?  Especially considering the cost...
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 26, 2021, 12:26:38 PM
Princepes -  finally done !
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 26, 2021, 12:27:46 PM
mostly Agema.   Front left of screen is a metal Warlord Games Hail Caesar guy. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 26, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
musician is by Aventine
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 26, 2021, 12:29:10 PM
hope you like   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 26, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
side on .....
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Post by: sgzleada71 on July 03, 2021, 06:44:36 AM
Numidian Cavalry now completed.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on July 03, 2021, 06:47:40 AM
Bodies mostly unarmoured Greeks ( victrix) w Numidian/Libyan Victrix heads    shields freehanded,  horses on far R and L are Aventine,  2nd from right is Wargames Factory  and  2nd from left is a Warlord Games German Cav horse.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on July 03, 2021, 06:48:33 AM
getting away....
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Post by: sgzleada71 on July 25, 2021, 01:17:19 PM
Command  group of  Carthage
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Post by: sgzleada71 on July 25, 2021, 01:18:35 PM
A mix of  figures.   Trumpeter by Agema, some Victrix and some kitbashing. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 03, 2021, 12:42:29 PM
Another Numidian Cavalryman
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 03, 2021, 01:02:43 PM
made from body of Victrix unarmoured greek,  libyan head  from Victrix Warriors of Carthage set,  horse is Aventine.  As the legs of the Victrix guy would be too splayed for the slim Aventine horse I put the body in boiling water and molded the legs in a bit.   The spear quiver if custom made.   I custom made the sheep skin wrap too from greenstuff. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 03, 2021, 01:08:27 PM
I enjoying doing more Numidian Cavalary so I've ordered a set of the Victrix ones to add some more.  I thought I'd do 2 small units,   Masaesyli. and Massylii   Numidians w  different colour  schemes. 
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Post by: Fremitus Borealis on September 03, 2021, 09:11:24 PM
I love all the variation and kitbashing on these Numidians  :)
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 03, 2021, 09:16:43 PM
Punic heavy cavalry   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 03, 2021, 09:17:46 PM
Victrix Greek Horse,  Gripping beast rider,  Aventine head. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 16, 2021, 09:48:58 AM
Finally finished my Carthaginian Citizen Spearmen.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 16, 2021, 09:49:35 AM
advancing
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 16, 2021, 09:50:16 AM
and the reverse  :)
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 18, 2021, 02:08:04 AM
some character figures
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 18, 2021, 02:08:32 AM
Trumpeter
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Post by: sgzleada71 on September 18, 2021, 02:09:17 AM
Spears up !
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Post by: sgzleada71 on October 27, 2021, 01:27:19 PM
Agema Carthaginian Command figure.   I like him a lot.  A bit slim- as most Agema metals are -  but cool pose and details
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Post by: sgzleada71 on October 27, 2021, 01:28:51 PM
I modified the original figure a little   with changing the basic sword to the curved kopis   and plumed up his tail a bit w  greenstuff
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Post by: sgzleada71 on October 27, 2021, 01:29:42 PM
Shield is  by Relic   and  transfer Veni vidi vici 
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Post by: bluewillow on October 29, 2021, 06:50:55 PM
Nice work on him, he is a really nice figure and one of my favourite command figures.

cheers
Matt
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 18, 2021, 12:43:35 AM
A variety of Carthaginians.  Kitbashed into action !
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 31, 2021, 07:40:03 AM
Punic Lion tamer
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Post by: sgzleada71 on December 31, 2021, 07:40:32 AM
Lion 2
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 06, 2022, 12:21:49 PM
Agema Sacred Band Command.    Actually I was a bit disappointed in the production quality of these figures.  Lots of mould lines and hard to put together.  Came out okay in the end. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 06, 2022, 12:22:26 PM
again
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 06, 2022, 12:23:38 PM
Enjoyed painting these Gripping Beast metal  Libyan command figures more.  :)     Nicely  made and clear details.   
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 06, 2022, 12:24:54 PM
although the guy w the scale armour and black shield w red horse is Agema. 
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Post by: sgzleada71 on May 17, 2022, 03:22:45 AM
Agema   Mago Barca -  modified a bit.   Normally comes w dog.   I cut off R hand and realigned it.  Added plastic Agema spear.  Victrix Carthaginian shield w free handed design.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on November 09, 2022, 08:10:05 AM
V and V
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Post by: sgzleada71 on November 09, 2022, 08:11:10 AM
more V and V  --  superb mins !
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Post by: Freddy on November 09, 2022, 08:55:09 PM
Just went through this thread, you really have a great collection!
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Post by: sgzleada71 on November 09, 2022, 11:01:30 PM
Thanks.  Not finished yet   :) 
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Post by: Freddy on November 10, 2022, 09:25:50 PM
Thanks.  Not finished yet   :)
It never is, I know... :) Looking forward for more.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 18, 2023, 12:29:34 PM
New V and V Elephant.  Very nice model !   Easy to assemble w minimal clean up work.   Only issue was the long spear.  Needed to use a broom stick spear and attach the spearhead and butt spikes.   

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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 18, 2023, 12:30:51 PM
and again
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 18, 2023, 12:32:03 PM
and a modified V and V w  Victrix arms  so a "VVV " figure  :)
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Post by: sgzleada71 on January 18, 2023, 12:33:24 PM
Video review available here.... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMjh21EqN6Q
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 14, 2023, 06:01:16 AM
Roman Alae  -- Victrix.   I went for the battle weary look w some sword slashes in shields, dust on lower parts and a smattering of dried blood. 

I'll do a block of 4  more with the more dynamic  Agema plastic figures next.   

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Post by: Pattus Magnus on March 14, 2023, 03:18:23 PM
Beautiful work all around, but that elephant is especially nice! I really like the colour palette you used, and the bronze in particular.
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 15, 2023, 11:19:44 AM
Beautiful work all around, but that elephant is especially nice! I really like the colour palette you used, and the bronze in particular.

Thanks PM.  The bronze if  quite easy. I base c  Vallejo Tinny Tin,  light dry brush over w  Vallejo Gold and then some Army painter  Quickwash -  purple, dark or even the flesh wash all work well. 
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Post by: Pattus Magnus on March 15, 2023, 03:04:27 PM
Thanks for the information about how you do bronze, using a purple wash never would have occurred to me (but in retrospect it makes sense that purple would make suitable shadows when applied over an essentially yellow metallic paint).
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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 19, 2023, 09:11:21 AM
Agema Miniatures Alae unit.  More dynamic.  :) 


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Post by: sgzleada71 on March 19, 2023, 09:15:40 AM
&
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Post by: sgzleada71 on October 14, 2023, 11:41:04 AM
Victrix Numidian Cav.   And  before you say it  - YES , I know  Numidians aren't that black. They're not Nubians !   Just wanted to see how he looked and I'm quite happy w  him actually.  :)
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Post by: VonAkers on October 15, 2023, 08:45:26 AM
sgzleada71
That Diorama looks great.

Cheers