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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Harry Faversham on December 17, 2020, 06:44:28 AM

Title: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 17, 2020, 06:44:28 AM
Has anyone had a go with these rules from the FFofL stable? If you have, how do they play, more importantly who makes right doody looking comic book spaceships please?

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Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Daeothar on December 17, 2020, 07:36:06 AM
Has anyone had a go with these rules from the FFofL stable? If you have, how do they play, more importantly who makes right doody looking comic book spaceships please?

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Can't help you on the rules, but EM4 has some pretty universal starfighter sprues, containing one each of all of these:

(http://www.fierylions.nl/Pictures/ForumPictures/BakersDozen/GenericStarfightersWIP.jpg)

They're pretty dang cheap too. I believe they've been used in a variety of boardgames and also a miniature starfighter game; may have been Full Thrust.
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Elk101 on December 17, 2020, 08:39:59 AM
I helped playtest them. They're easy to pick up and easy to create your own ships. I use my xwing collection to play but in quiet tempted by the Hydra Miniatures' retro sci-fi ships.
https://www.wargamesemporium.co.uk/collections/hydra/all-war-rocket?sort_by=title-ascending

There's also Battlestar Galactic ships from Ares Games.

I've got a load of old Battlefleet Gothic and Full Thrust ships I could use for the smaller scale (miniature size wise) but larger scale (fleet wise) rules.

You can use anything you like really. I saw load of cheap Star Trek ships recently and was tempted by those too.
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: nozza_uk on December 17, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
I saw load of cheap Star Trek ships recently and was tempted by those too.

Would these rules work for Star Trek starship combat? Starfighters would imply that they are more suited for smaller craft?
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 17, 2020, 11:04:33 AM
Thanks chaps, as a Yorkshireman I like the sound of cheap Star Trek models, where would I glean them?

:)
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Maj Guiscard on December 17, 2020, 02:16:05 PM
I've played it through about 5 or 6 times...

Pros
1. It's simple to pick up
2. Plays fast.. play a card, do your thing with a ship/fighter, next!
3. Cinematic: It has lots of pew pew, some cards have special effects, and that breaks up any predictable/boring patterns without neutralizing your plans

Cons
1. You need to picture the game starting right as the Commander says "Break Formation", because with each ship moving when a card is played there isn't any wingman or formation flying. It's not impossible, but the game is not set up that way.
2. Pilot abilities and tracking starts to get somewhat fiddly. The rules are intuitive and simple, but once you start trying to track all the special rules for ships and pilots, it is very easy to forget things

TL:DR
I had fun, and I would play it again.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: CookAndrewB on December 17, 2020, 04:12:35 PM
Can't help you on the rules, but EM4 has some pretty universal starfighter sprues, containing one each of all of these:

(http://www.fierylions.nl/Pictures/ForumPictures/BakersDozen/GenericStarfightersWIP.jpg)

They're pretty dang cheap too. I believe they've been used in a variety of boardgames and also a miniature starfighter game; may have been Full Thrust.

Ha! I was just looking at these on Amazon yesterday.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51qdMWK-HfL._AC_.jpg)

$10.88 for 144 of them
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B004N6V4KC/?coliid=I34DB2QTMM7YLX&colid=LI42LA3IQ68Q&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B004N6V4KC/?coliid=I34DB2QTMM7YLX&colid=LI42LA3IQ68Q&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im)

There are also these if you want a more retro look:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61VGJU6R5RL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)

$6.49 for 72 ships (six of each type)
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00362MR1E/?coliid=I1I2FV8PZAKNMB&colid=LI42LA3IQ68Q&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00362MR1E/?coliid=I1I2FV8PZAKNMB&colid=LI42LA3IQ68Q&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im)

Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: has.been on December 17, 2020, 04:21:27 PM
All of the Fist Full of Lead rules follow the same basic premises;-
Quick to learn,  fun to play & able to accept adaptations (for adding your own touches).
I have played most of the different rules, but not yet the Starfighters.
Flatpack (of this parish) is planning to use them for WW2 aircraft.
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: BaronVonJ on December 17, 2020, 05:30:08 PM
Links:
http://baronvonj.blogspot.com/2019/12/playtest-ii-fistful-of-lead-starfighters.html
http://baronvonj.blogspot.com/2019/11/fistful-of-spaceships.html
and a live video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fcr-NKxMwo&t=4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvhmELJW54&t=1614s
Finally, the pdf is only $6
https://wiley-games.myshopify.com/collections/galactic-heroes/products/fistful-of-lead-starfighters-downloadable-pdf-preview-only-on-sale-any-day-now
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 17, 2020, 06:56:35 PM
Thanks for that my dear Baron, much appreciated.
My cogitations were leaning toward twizzling yer rules so Snoopy could mallet the Red Baron over The Salient. And Squadron Leader 'Battler Britton' litter the White Cliffs of Dover with shot down Messerschmidts!

;)
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: BaronVonJ on December 17, 2020, 07:10:57 PM
Sure, it’ll just take some work on your part to differentiate the different planes. I never claim to history, but Hollywood. If that’s your inclination, then the rules should work for you. Ive got some notes on using them fir Crimson Skies.
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: aliensurfer on December 17, 2020, 10:15:57 PM
those models on ebay look like bad plastic recasts of the ones sold by EM4
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 18, 2020, 01:38:19 AM
Sure, it’ll just take some work on your part to differentiate the different planes. I never claim to history, but Hollywood. If that’s your inclination, then the rules should work for you. Ive got some notes on using them fir Crimson Skies.

Great, thanks for that.
Standby for FFofL meets the 'Dawn Patrol'!

 ;)
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Cacique Caribe on December 18, 2020, 03:27:54 AM
Can't help you on the rules, but EM4 has some pretty universal starfighter sprues, containing one each of all of these:

(http://www.fierylions.nl/Pictures/ForumPictures/BakersDozen/GenericStarfightersWIP.jpg)

They're pretty dang cheap too. I believe they've been used in a variety of boardgames and also a miniature starfighter game; may have been Full Thrust.

Is there a link for the EM4 ones?

Thanks

Dan
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Daeothar on December 18, 2020, 07:40:26 AM
Is there a link for the EM4 ones?

Why yes; there is (https://em4miniatures.com/collections/science-fiction-near-future-miniatures/products/spacecraft) :D
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: williamb on December 18, 2020, 09:58:16 AM
Would these rules work for Star Trek starship combat? Starfighters would imply that they are more suited for smaller craft?

The rules have a section for designing large ships towards the end of the rules.  There is also a section in the main body of the rules for including large ships in a fighter game.   The large ship section of the rules has three classes -small, medium, and large.  I used the information from the large ships section of the star fighter rules to add a fourth, extra-large class.   The classes have a basic number of modules (5, 10, 15, and 20) and damage points, which can be increased from the basic numbers.
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: pauld on December 18, 2020, 01:30:34 PM
Quote
Ive got some notes on using them fir Crimson Skies.

 :o  I have a shoe box full of the old Wizkids Crimson Skies models I collected when they were being sold off cheap.  Never been used.

I also have FFoL Starfighters (which I have not played yet)

(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/VTQMTZ0jRACuMV4FSV3PCQ__imagepage/img/4ccKsGNHrfrrQ4zWZbdFE3KIGXc=/fit-in/900x600/filters:no_upscale():strip_icc()/pic90921.jpg)

I'd love the chance to put the two together.
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Daeothar on December 18, 2020, 04:26:13 PM
:o  I have a shoe box full of the old Wizkids Crimson Skies models I collected when they were being sold off cheap.  Never been used.]

I'd love the chance to put the two together.

I recently completed my entire collection of these, bar one set (wanna trade? :D ), as I'm a huge fan of the old PC game, and I even bought an aerial mat to play on.

The plan was to port the X-Wing rules to CS, but I'm not adverse to trying other matching rulesets...
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: BaronVonJ on December 18, 2020, 08:20:17 PM
I actually love the FASA Crimson Skies game. Tons of the metal minis. But it just can’t handle 6-8 players in a decent amount if time. Just wasn’t built for it. My beloved Missouri Air Militia has seen many a dogfight with the ISA. But now I can get the whole fleet out!
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Grimmnar on December 19, 2020, 02:39:39 AM
They're pretty dang cheap too. I believe they've been used in a variety of boardgames and also a miniature starfighter game; may have been Full Thrust.
Silent Death

Grimm
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Cacique Caribe on December 19, 2020, 06:12:17 AM
Why yes; there is (https://em4miniatures.com/collections/science-fiction-near-future-miniatures/products/spacecraft) :D

Daeothar

Thanks so much!

Dan
Title: Re: Fistful of Lead: Starfighters!
Post by: Daeothar on December 19, 2020, 09:16:38 AM
Silent Death

Grimm

Cheers :)

Having never played either, I keep mixing up the two...