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Title: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on December 29, 2020, 04:28:14 AM
A couple of books by Gallieni in English.
Mark
https://nafzigercollection.com/product-category/warfare-in-africa/page/2/
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: JBaumal on December 30, 2020, 04:52:47 AM
Marco55, the books by Mr Nafziger are outstanding. I have several from multiple periods and theatre’s.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on December 30, 2020, 05:06:04 AM
I do too. :D
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Atheling on December 30, 2020, 07:23:22 AM
Just out of interest (I probably shouldn't ask as their is some danger in it on my part!), are there any miniatures specific to the French Conquest of Western Sudan available in 28mm?
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on December 30, 2020, 11:43:50 AM
Yes,Castaway Arts in Australia has a small line. https://www.castawayarts.com.au/index.php?cmd=store
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Atheling on December 30, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
Yes,Castaway Arts in Australia has a small line. https://www.castawayarts.com.au/index.php?cmd=store
Mark

Cheers. I forgot about Castaway for some reason!  o_o ???
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: JBaumal on December 30, 2020, 02:46:01 PM
Castaway Arts in OZ has great figures AND great customer service.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Patrice on December 31, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
Castaway Arts are nice, and mix well with Foundry Darkest Africa adventurers etc.

Other ranges are nice too but are slightly different in size. Artizan Design are bigger... and Askari Miniatures slightly smaller...

A sad thing with Castaway is that they haven't expanded their range since many years. Long ago I had planned to  build a "tata" a Western Sudanese fortress but with the lack of more different figures I still haven't done it.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on December 31, 2020, 01:50:21 PM

A sad thing with Castaway is that they haven't expanded their range since many years. Long ago I had planned to  build a "tata" a Western Sudanese fortress but with the lack of more different figures I still haven't done it.
That's the reason I never have done it either.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 11, 2021, 11:39:24 AM


A sad thing with Castaway is that they haven't expanded their range since many years. Long ago I had planned to  build a "tata" a Western Sudanese fortress but with the lack of more different figures I still haven't done it.

I tried to find a photo of a "tata" but had no luck.Do you have any?
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Patrice on January 11, 2021, 04:12:56 PM
I tried to find a photo of a "tata" but had no luck.Do you have any?
Mark

You have to find some key words... "tata fort mali" or "tata fort senegal" bring some research results amongst other things.

Also, in French only I think...
https://fracademic.com/dic.nsf/frwiki/1606505
https://www.persee.fr/doc/jafr_0037-9166_1966_num_36_1_1403
https://www.le-voyage-autrement.com/benin/mag/les-tata-des-chateaux-forts-en-banco
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/afrique/societe-africaine/togo-les-tata-somba-mini-chateaux-forts-et-fragiles-a-la-fois_3054481.html

Basically there are two different things (which can be complementary): a wall and towers around a village; and walls between very close neighbouring huts of a same family which compose very small forts inside the village, French officers of the late 19th C. wrote these were very effective.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 11, 2021, 05:14:51 PM
Thank you very much.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on November 26, 2021, 05:37:40 AM
After becoming interested in this period I decided  on a project to do when I retire (in May I hope).I would like to do a diorama.  It won't be a historical fact dio but a generic battle of the French fighting Rabih's army in the west african/Chad region. As we were talking about a tata a while back I decided to see if I could get some kind of west  sudan old fort type of structure built so I contacted Andrew Birch of Colonial Steamboat Co. and he came up with a idea for me. It's a generic type not modeled on any particular structure. I think it came out pretty nice. It's not quite as big as I would have liked but for shipping purposes and shipping costs. :o it's perfect. It's 1/72 scale as I want to be able to put quite a few figures on the diorama.
Below is some photos of it. I think it looks even better in person.It's darker than the photos show. looks more like a mud fort. 
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: JBaumal on November 30, 2021, 09:39:24 PM
Marco55, I just answered my question to you when I saw this post. This sounds like a fun project. Andrew does great work!!! I tried to contact him
Several times about making a Chitral house and fort for me, but luckily he never responded so I won’t have to pay those crazy shipping fees. Another friend of mine, Bill from Gamers Garage makes awesome custom terrain in the US based in Colorado. I’ve been going to him for my custom terrain needs.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Marine0846 on November 30, 2021, 10:13:12 PM
Love the fort.
Very useful for a lot of different  time periods.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: FierceKitty on December 01, 2021, 01:40:09 AM
Is this an excuse to use the Legion against my Mahdists?
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: italwars on December 01, 2021, 05:59:24 PM
Is this an excuse to use the Legion against my Mahdists?

In fact they were the Tirailleurs Sénégalais that succesfully faced the Mahdist at Fachoda..
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: FierceKitty on December 02, 2021, 12:46:37 AM
I thought they faced the British and Egyptians there over the scattered corpses of the Madhists?
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on December 02, 2021, 04:03:04 AM
There was moslem empires in West Africa also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabih_az-Zubayr   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kouss%C3%A9ri
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Tom Dulski on January 29, 2022, 11:41:07 AM
that fort looks awesome
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 29, 2022, 02:54:38 PM
Thank you. :D
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 28, 2023, 08:56:07 PM
I had had a couple of French officers and Senegalese Tirailleurs sculpted a while back but then got sidetracked working on my Russian Conquest of Central Asia project. I did get a few painted.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 28, 2023, 09:02:02 PM
I decided to add to my Senegalese by using Algerian Tirailleurs (done by Masimo Costa of Black Watch Miniatures) that were made for the Franco-Prussian War.  I had them painted as Senegalese by just getting the tunic plain blue and having the faces painted darker. The only thing that I don't like is they are not barefooted. I hope to get more sculpted after a few more Russians. Here's some pics.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 28, 2023, 09:03:45 PM
More pics,
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on May 12, 2023, 12:41:41 PM
I decided to give up on this project so I could focus on my Russian Central Asian project. I'll probably regret it later. :'(
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Tom Dulski on May 14, 2023, 11:09:47 AM
These are wonderful.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on May 22, 2023, 01:44:16 PM
Colonial Steamboat Co. Has a generic mud fort for sale like mine if anyone is interested.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: huevans on May 23, 2023, 01:04:04 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Conquest-Sahara-History-Douglas-Porch/dp/0374128790/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=FgFqp&content-id=amzn1.sym.ed85217c-14c9-4aa0-b248-e47393e2ce12&pf_rd_p=ed85217c-14c9-4aa0-b248-e47393e2ce12&pf_rd_r=147-6599253-1088603&pd_rd_wg=ZmBbj&pd_rd_r=30b92a4c-adb8-4783-a531-68ba0a4e42b4&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51bIGjsyAhL.jpg)
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on October 05, 2023, 02:03:46 AM
Going to start getting more of these sculpted soon.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on October 22, 2023, 09:45:16 PM
Proto types for new sculpts. More work to be done on these, just the first draft
Mark

PT1 French Marine
PT2 General Dodds
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on October 26, 2023, 12:31:53 AM
Finished figures.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: italwars on December 07, 2023, 11:17:01 PM
Marco..as you are, like me, a fan of French colonial history..in that case AEF and AOF ..i would like to point you some new 3D minis that are available from a French manufacture..(but i think they also have a US distributor) ..In their vast WW2 catalogue they list some apparently nice Méharistes camel troopers  which, except for the rifles, which is not so distinguishable at that scale, could be absolutly  perfect even for combats in Mauritanie,  Niger, AOF, Soudan borders and the conquest of Sahara from 1890. Méharistes are, in my opinion, unavoidable if your have read Douglas Porch..

Aside that, with your Tirailleurs Sénégalais you can recontruct that iconic scene in the moovie "Fort Saganne" in which the Méharistes long range travelling column lead by Gerard Dépardieu is halted at gun point by a patrol of tirailleurs sénégalais lead by the histerical capitaine shouting something like "Messieurs ne bougez pas..vous etes maintenant en Afrique Occidentale Francaise!!!"  lol lol lol ...a real episode that i found on my rare antiquarian books about the French colonies.. :o

They are  sold both in 28mm and in 1/72 (which is your favourite scale) plus , in case you have a printer or a willing friend, in stl file which is far more cheaper.

i'm in the process of ordering some (in 28mm).I'll let you know and post some images when they ll arrive.

https://eskiceminiature.fr/en/products/meharistes-ww2-x10
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on December 09, 2023, 01:20:19 AM
Yes I've seen these before. Not really what I will use but I hope you like them. My figures aren't really 20mm but 22mm to fit with Massimo Costa's figures. Something a little different, French Army of the Levant figures plus others. I think they are some very nice figures. They just had a Kickstarter that was very successful. I'm going to get a few  as  collectibles.  https://www.destrancheesauxbarricades.com/
Mark 
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on December 09, 2023, 12:38:07 PM
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=143470.new#new
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/972098603/poilus-dorient-french-army-in-the-middle-east?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=poilus
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 18, 2024, 02:39:29 AM
Proto-types of a Frenchman and a Senegalese. More work to be done.
Mark

Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 18, 2024, 02:43:03 AM
Based on a couple of figures in this picture.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on January 23, 2024, 03:04:52 PM
The almost finished French officer and Senegalese. All opinions are welcome.
Mark

Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: JBaumal on February 06, 2024, 02:05:57 PM
Great figs Marc, my only negative comment would be that the officer’s pistol looks a bit small.
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on February 06, 2024, 02:27:18 PM
Sculptor was going by the picture in  post 35.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on February 07, 2024, 03:27:14 AM
I emailed the sculptor about the pistols and their feet. Also I think the back leg seems unnatural, the foot should be more forward.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on February 20, 2024, 12:41:03 PM
My latest .
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on April 01, 2024, 05:37:29 PM
My latest Senegalese sculpt.
Mark

Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Patrice on April 01, 2024, 09:04:59 PM
BTW I don't remember if I mentioned this TV film, Capitaine des Ténèbres (2005) inspired by the disgraceful events of the Voulet-Chanoine mission in 1898.

(https://media.themoviedb.org/t/p/w300_and_h450_bestv2/bb87SwckzNACcXoJ3zOm9OTx8sD.jpg)
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: marco55 on April 06, 2024, 06:51:38 PM
Not over here I'm afraid. I would have to use sub-titles. Can't speak French.
Mark
Title: Re: Conquest of French Western Sudan
Post by: Patrice on April 06, 2024, 11:37:26 PM
It doesn't seem available on internet (I found it somewhere but I can't find it again, it appears sometimes but without copyright). You may find some bits or pictures if you research the title.

It's not bad but it's a TV film, there has been historical research but the uniform cloth is too bright I think.

The film French director, Serge Moati, was born in Tunisia, very interested about colonial history (in an interview he said his father was arrested in Tunisia in WW2 for mild Resistance activity but survived because the nazis thought his name was Italian and they didn't understood he was Jewish).

Another article:
https://www.jeuneafrique.com/340813/politique/jour-16-juillet-1899-tirailleurs-de-colonne-voulet-chanoine-se-mutinent/