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Title: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on December 29, 2020, 05:40:20 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm not to only one that has piles of unpainted WW2 minis in too many different scales. 6mm checked, 15mm checked, 20mm (1/72) checked, 28mm checked...

The whole idea was that I would use different scales for different levels of games. Bigger scales for platoon size games and smaller scales for company/battalion. I think we can all see how this can end right? I got bits of miniatures in different scales, but not enough of them finished to play a game.

I recently got an 8cm mortar by Battlefront (it was a sample to check the material they use now). I started painting them for fun and see if I got all the paints I need. I did not try to do a superb job, just test colours and ideas for camo, results so far below:

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Fallschirmjagers.png)

And I thought, ok, it's time to finish some started projects. And as I already have almost full infantry platoon for Brits (need only some support weapons and few NCO/Officer). So time to dig up the Skytrex Germans and start painting more baddies. I plan to have two opposing platoons, no specific system in general, I want to use them to play CoC, AIBSM, Bolt Action, who knows maybe even Flams of War.

Let's see how long it will take me to finish this project :)

Cheers,
Seb

UPDATE 07/10/2021
I decided to expended this topic and include some of my 20mm (1/72) WW2 projects as well. Just to make this a bit easier for me and to avoid creating too many extra unnecessary topics :) 
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on December 30, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Progress on the British side of the front.

The 3 squads of infantry and a Sherman ready. I need just a few single miniatures and NCO, plus the Platoon HQ.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/15mm-PSC-FoW-British-infantry.jpg)

Sherman has no markings as I wanted to keep him "universal", but I think I will get some decals. It will look far better with them.

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: sundayhero on December 30, 2020, 12:28:18 PM
Nice beginning ! you're right, a few stars on the sherman will bring some interesting detail.
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on December 30, 2020, 01:29:27 PM
Thanks!

Yes, I will get some decals asap :)
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Storm-the-front on December 30, 2020, 07:07:14 PM
15mm is the best scale for WWII company and platoon level firefights. Took me a couple years to realize. Haha
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on December 31, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
15mm is the best scale for WWII company and platoon level firefights. Took me a couple years to realize. Haha

Yes, I notice this as well. But I find that for bigger tanks on tanks action 6mm is better haha
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on January 03, 2021, 11:29:19 PM
Great stuff Seb! I love my 15mm WWII (I have 6mm in the works for bigger games) and would recommend the Battlegroup series to add to your stable of rules. They work for a range of conflict sizes and are (or at least I find them) very enjoyable.

Keep up the good work,
BALM
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: SJWi on January 04, 2021, 05:59:41 AM
Seb, I would echo support for 15mm and the Battlegroup rules. I have mainly 20mm WW2, but if starting afresh would go with 15mm.  The choice of vehicles is now huge and the quality of the models now excellent. In the past I found that the infantry were pretty naff but the recent releases are almost as good as 20mm, and they are probably the smallest scale that can be individually based and thus useful for various rulesets. Despite my large 20mm collection I did start a late war British force in 15mm a few years ago and am now slowly building up a German opponent.

Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on January 04, 2021, 02:20:06 PM
Thanks, lads!

I did give a quick glance to Battlegroup rules some time ago. I wasn't sure about them. I heard many good words about it, but maybe I need to give them a try.

I stared some germans as well.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Skytrex-germans.jpg)
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: sundayhero on January 04, 2021, 04:27:10 PM
Personaly I choosed Iron Cross, wich is simplier than Battlegroup.
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on January 04, 2021, 07:51:34 PM
Excellent start on your germans Seb. Iíd also recommend Peter pig miniatures (available from Brookhurst in the US) as the range is comprehensive and I love the sculpts (Peter Pig = Infantry, Battlefront/Plastic Soldier Company = vehicles is my personal choice, although Iíve just bought my first few skytrex vehicles and theyíre lovely).

I have read/tried Iron cross but found it a bit too simplistic (nothing wrong with it just not my style of game) and would really push Battlegroup to any prospective WWII gamer. It is very easy to play and follow (Iíve managed to get a couple of non-historical gaming friends at my club to play and theyíve not only enjoyed it but keep asking when weíll play again!) especially if youíre lucky enough to have someone demo it to you, and works well from smaller squad based games up to multiple platoons. There were 3 associated pdfs called dispatches, one of which contains a very comprehensive Q&A and some walkthrough guides for parts of the rules. I doubt youíre anywhere near me but if you are within a stones throw of South Wales and want to have a demo then Iíd be more than happy to help (assuming Iím/weíre ever allowed out again).

BALM
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on January 07, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
I'm focusing on Chain of Command and IABSM. I like the lardies approach to the topic. But I got some friend that play Bolt Action and FoW, so I'm not discarding those as well.

Well, I'm currently living in Sweden, but my main historical wargaming buddies are in Scotland :D

I got some PSC plastics (both early and the next-gen). I personally prefer the more bulky minis of Battlefront/PSC, but the Skytrex infantry is very nice. And I will stick to metal minis. I got only experience with Skytrex T-72, and they are excellent so I'm assuming others should be similar in quality. I was thinking about adding some Forge in Battle vehicles, but I'm not a massive fan of their integrated bases, so I will probably stay with PSC/Battlefront plastics for core vehicles but add a bit flavour with Skytrex/Peter Pig and others.

I hope to paint some baddies today.

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: frank xerox on January 07, 2021, 10:12:56 PM
Those nappies won't change themselves! :D
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on January 08, 2021, 12:48:33 AM

I like the PSC vehicles but also find their chaps too slight (probably more accurate but like you I prefer a chunkier figure) and tend to replace the vehicle crews with Peter Pig or sculpt new ones. I havenít seen any skytrex infantry in person but the crews for the vehicles I bought recently were good. Iím also put off of Forged in Battle by the bases (I do base my vehicles but like a small, thin base that isnít too prominent) and as yet I havenít found anything that only they do and I need enough to build up the energy to try removing the massive chunky base - actually thatís not true, the SdKfz 250 armoured munitions carrier variant - 252? or 3? would be nice but only because I like odd non-combat vehicles.

One of the great things about historical gaming is the vast range of available rulesets that mean you an generally find one that appeals to you and what you want in a game. I use my WWII models for Normandy Firefight, Bolt Action, Chain of Command and Battlegroup and enjoy them all in their own right. I own but havenít played IABSM so must get it onto the table at some point to see if itís my cup of tea.

How is your Ďbaddieí painting going?

BALM
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on January 08, 2021, 04:31:31 PM
Those nappies won't change themselves! :D

Yeah, they don't help with painting :D

How is your Ďbaddieí painting going?

BALM

I stuck a bit with the baddies, need to get a moment of time to sit down and paint them, we will see after the weekend. I started painting Stug and Sdkfz 251. We will see after the weekend.

I would definitely recommend IABSM, great game.
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on January 11, 2021, 01:21:48 PM
A wee updated.

I manage paint first NCO for my Brits, he still needs a base finished, but it is progress :)

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/FoW-Brit-NCO.jpg)
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: bluewillow on January 12, 2021, 10:00:32 AM
Good start, Normandy is a focus for me this year, a few more batns of infantry and more tanks for allied predominately.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on January 14, 2021, 08:53:51 AM
Yes, Normandy is a good starting point for such projects. Plenty of bits to choose from.
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on January 19, 2021, 02:39:33 PM
Progress so far. Well not a lot, but I decided to clear a bit my painting desk from stuff I started.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Churchill-plus-nco-battlefront.jpg)

NCO is ready to lead a squad or to be used as a single mini for casualties. Churchill Mk III (if I'm not mistaken) will still be in service by summer 1944 if my research is correct. Altho don't quote me on that :)

Till next time!
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Ceeteegee on January 19, 2021, 08:25:31 PM
The latest video from the Tank Museum is of their rare as Hen's teeth Churchill III. The one and only Mr David Fletcher discusses the turret, track guards and main gun. Tread Heaven!
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on January 20, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
The latest video from the Tank Museum is of their rare as Hen's teeth Churchill III. The one and only Mr David Fletcher discusses the turret, track guards and main gun. Tread Heaven!
Oh, I missed that one! Will need to catch up ASAP :D
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on March 26, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
I was in the realm of dwarfs and other magic creatures for the last few weeks, so not a lot of WW2 painting was done during that period. But after a recent chat with a friend about some gaming ideas (I blame you frank xerox of that! :D), I got the kick to get back on track.

So latest progress, Stug III got some wash application. It was the first time I used enamel wash, and I'm quite positive about this experience.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Stug-WIP-1.jpg)

Depending on the tactical situation, I hope to finish Stug this weekend.

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on March 31, 2021, 11:35:50 AM
Not the most astonishing progress, but it is still better than nothing.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Stug-WIP-2.jpg)

I need to tidy up tracks and road wheels. Then paint some details, and it will be ready for duty :)
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on March 31, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
Looking good. I do like a stug, straightforward and practical. Iím glad to see youíre achieving things, I find even a little, tangible progress always helps my overall motivation and hobby momentum. Keep up the good work.

BALM
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: frank xerox on April 01, 2021, 10:11:10 AM
Looks good and thereís not enough stugs around, Jpz 4s and hetzers but not enough love for the humble Stug
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on April 01, 2021, 10:57:24 AM
Thanks, lads! I feel that there should be more Stug III on the tables. I will need to get a few more at some point, but I'm also tempted with Pazner III N as a support option:D 

Yes! I did find that even 15-20 minutes every day can make a huge difference.

I started painting the first squad of Grenadiers, mostly to get the feel of colours and decide how

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/grenadiers-wip-earlystage.jpg)

Sorry for the photo quality :). Bases are temporary only as it was part of basing experiment. I will stick to 25x25mm bases for basic infantry.

Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on July 19, 2021, 10:31:59 AM
A bit distracted with all the fantasy minis again. But I'm as always I'm jumping from one topic to the other. Instead of finishing the germans, I when for some brits :)

First HMG, then PIAT team and few spare minis and the British platoon (or Polish in the West?) will be ready.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/HMG-wip.jpg)

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/HMG-wip-2.jpg)

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: frank xerox on July 19, 2021, 10:44:01 PM
Those are bloody good faces!
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on July 20, 2021, 07:27:22 AM
Those are bloody good faces!

Thanks! I was planning to do some highlights on them :D
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: mluther on July 20, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Another vote for IABSM for company level gaming.  CoC for platoon level.
Mark
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Storm-the-front on July 20, 2021, 09:01:16 PM
Nice progress. Who makes those German figures? Are they Skytrex or Forged in Battle?
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on July 21, 2021, 02:10:04 PM
Yes, I think I will focus on those two titles. I do have the idea of doing my own set of rules (I already have some draft versions) but everytime I sit down, look at IABSM and CoC and deceid there is no point. I already have two sets I like :D
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on July 26, 2021, 01:39:52 PM
"Kowalski! I think I see a Szkop over there. Let's give him a warm welcome!"

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/BF-Brits-2.jpg)

The HMG is now finished.

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on July 26, 2021, 06:57:29 PM
Great work Seb, good to see youíre making progress. Nothing wrong with keeping a few plates spinning, I find having a couple of different projects going at once means I can swap and change to help battle creative block whilst still making some hobby progress (In theory at least lol).

BALM
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy
Post by: Seb on July 27, 2021, 08:21:34 AM
Thanks, BALM!

Yes, I do try to focus on few projects, as I often end up with way too many bits on my desk. And this can be daunting.

Next are the PAIT team and 2" mortar, plus some individual minis. So it should give a full playable platoon for CoC.

Nice progress. Who makes those German figures? Are they Skytrex or Forged in Battle?
I overlooked your question. Germans are Skytrex.

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on October 07, 2021, 02:42:40 PM
Holidays are after. I did even took some minis with me to paint, but not a lot of progress. And as it always happens, instead of focusing on old projects, I got distracted.

So instead of creating another topic, I thought I would update this a bit.

So it is not more "15mm... Road to Normandy..." it is now  "15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour" :D

From now on, this will be my place to share progress on both 15mm and 20mm WW2 bits. I hope you don't mind :)

So after a rather good game of CoC, a friend of mine gave me this little fella, 1/72 scale Hasegawa Tiger I Ausf. E. This is the whole single reason for the distraction (or that's what I'm saying to myself)

I started building it, progress so far:

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/tiger-wip.jpg)

A nice trick I learned from the Tamiya set I got. A little extra weight gives a more nice feel when you handle the models, so I glued a few extra metal shields.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/tiger-balast.jpg)

Now will be the fun part of assembling the suspension... but I got a crazy idea of painting it on sprue first and then assemble it to make my painting a bit easier... that's the theory.

Till next time!

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on October 07, 2021, 08:52:53 PM
Thatís a very nice little model and I totally understand the draw of a good, more complex model kit. I can forgive you for turning to the dark side as long as itís only a holiday. I love 15mm and only 15mm! (Looks at his beloved 6mm WW2 GHQ and Adler collection in progress, closes the browser window with prospective 3mm WW2 purchases flagged on it so I have a Ďtravel versioníÖÖ). Looking forwards to seeing your progress with the tracks.

BALM
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on October 08, 2021, 02:37:13 PM
Thanks!

Yeah, 15mm is cool, but 1/72 has these extra details. I enjoy building them, even if it is a Tiger or Panther suspension.  lol

Shame there are not 1:100 Tamiya tanks models or similar :D

I should finish building the cat this evening, and then I can start painting it.

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on October 11, 2021, 10:48:09 AM
20mm (1/72) - Tiger I Aufs E progress

After finishing building the tank, I managed to put the first layers of paint on.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Tiger-WIP-1.jpg)

I decide to go for s.Pz.Abt.504 during in Sicily 1943. This way, I can (with a bit of stretch here and there) go for Tunis or Italy campaign if I want.

Cheers,
Seb
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on October 11, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
Great minds old chap, great minds. I chose Tunisia (slowly working on both sides and scenery) because it was different to Normandy or the miserable East and would hopefully allow me to use the same mat and some scenery in Italy as well should I feel the urge. The only thing that would draw me to 20mm if I had to start again is the sheer amount of available plastic modelling kits that are suitable. That little kitty is looking nice.

BALM
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on December 06, 2021, 04:15:35 PM
It went a bit quiet on the Sicilian front. But there is a wee bit of progress.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Tiger-172.jpg)

Shading is done; now it's time to tidy up and add highlights, details and decals. Oh, and put the suspension :)

Till the next time,

Cheers,
Sebastian
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on December 06, 2021, 05:43:27 PM
Itís looking great. Any movement: forwards, backwards or in circles is still progress old chap!  :D I love a nice model kit and have to ignore traditional airfix style and other wargaming scales kits when seen or Iíd be inundated with vehicles in odd scales without purpose!

Andrew
BALM

Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on December 15, 2021, 12:27:27 PM
Aye, at least something is getting painted. As the old military mantra goes, it will be all done before Christmas :) 
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on December 17, 2021, 01:54:49 PM
A bit more progress on tidying up after shading.

The turret needs a bit more work, but I'm almost there
(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Tiger-turret.jpg)

Tracks are now finished in terms of painting, at least.
(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Tiger-tracks.jpg)

The biggest obstacle is the Revell Afrika Braun paint... lovely colour, and thanks to a pretty thin consistency, it is very smooth when applied with a brush. But the downside of it is that many layers are needed for a good cover.

With the weekend ahead and an old FoW 15mm Panther on my desk, it can be a tough task to finish the Tiger :D 
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on December 21, 2021, 04:16:49 PM
Progress affter weekend. Not the best pics, but they were taken in the evening.

1/72 Tiger is getting there:
(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Tiger-wip3.jpg)

Old Battlefront 15mm Panther. I thought about checking some alternative colours and seeing how an AP Soft Tone will work on it.
(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Panther-wip1.jpg)

So far, so good.

Cheers,
Sebastian
Title: Re: 15mm... Road to Normandy... with a 20mm detour
Post by: Seb on January 24, 2022, 02:40:07 PM
A bit of progress on the Sicilian front. At least in terms of money spent on toys.

Repainting Tiger after the wash is a bit chore, so I switch to doing other things as a break. So I started to do my US troops for the Sicilian summer of '43.

First, UM M4A1 Sherman. I will be honest, if one is not interested in building scale models, do not ever bother in getting this one. It will simply drive you mad. Overall it is a very nice kit. There are a few bits that are not perfectly matching. So a bit of work is needed. Plus, as one could expect, there are some really, but I mean really small parts, that are tricky to stick to the model.

I can't say how accurate it is, but it looks like a decent job for me, altho some reviews were a bit critical about tracks width... Beyond my knowledge so can't comment on that.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/UM-ShermanM4A1.jpg)

For infantry, I dig up some Italeri and PSC minis. The Italeri set is great, with amazing details, sadly no "shooting" poses. The PSC is a good set, but I would say it is a bit less sharp in detail. I primed the first batch some time ago, so it should be easier to batch paint them.

(https://www.seb-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/US-infantry-wip.jpg)

Till, next time.

Cheers,
Seb