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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: sgzleada71 on January 06, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
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Hi all. I'm starting a Successor Army and already have a few sets of Victrix and Warlord Phalangites, which work well together size wise. I've been looking at some nice ones to flesh out the army and add diversity but unsure if they'll work -size wise. Can anyone advise if the following are similar size wise to Victirx/ Warlord Games Phalangites....
Eureka -- I can answer that - NO significantly smaller !
Aventine ?
1st Corps ?
Polemarch by Gripping Beast ?
Relic ?
Thansk in advance :)
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Relic and Aventine should work pretty well height wise, though Relic tend to be a little slimmer, I think. I don't have any Polemarch phalangists but the figures I do have seem similar in scale. 1st Corps on the other hand.... They seem to vary a good bit between lines but on average I'd say they're significantly smaller than Victrix. I don't have their phalangites but the Gauls I have are tiny compared to Warlord and others. Ditto Thracians. Persians are a little closer but still smaller.
Foundry have some great phalangites options that are a little short, but IMO not out of the normal variation for humans. For my money they're worth it checking out for their characters alone; great way to work in some variation!
Maybe I can post a photo comparison a bit later today so you can see what I mean
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The polemarch phalangites match the Foundry World of the Greeks ranges (same sculpter) size and stylistically wise. They (Foundry & Polemarch) should also mix with the relic and Aventine ranges. 1st Corps will be decidedly smaller and thinner than all of the ranges.
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Okay, here's a comparison of some of the ranges I mentioned (kind of dodgy photo, but you get the idea).
Left to right: Victrix Successor Phalangite, Warlord Phalangite, Relic Successor commander, Foundry phalangite (character), Aventine successor king's shield-bearer, 1st Corps Thracian.
EDIT: Now that I look at the image again, I think I must have angled it slightly which makes the figures on the right look even smaller.
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Eureka -- slim to small 28's
Aventine -- large 28's very detailed
1st Corps -- often closer to 25mm
Polemarch by Gripping Beast -- Similar to Foundry Greeks and Macedonians (Saleh sculpts)
Relic -- Tall but more proportional sculpts very detailed
In this photo the Warlord and Victrix plastics appear taller because of the thickness of the plastic bases. Victrix and Aventine heads are often a bit large in scale. Big heads look good from the top down- I think that is why they appeal to gamers.
I need to add Polemarch and 1st Corps to the lineup :)
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wow thanks for all the detailed info and photos. Brilliant advice.
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The Relic minis look like that they paint up really well.
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I decided to toss this one up as well, it is a side by side of newish and older metal figures. The Relic phalangite can be used as a reference to the photo (above) that included plastic figures. Sadly I realized that I could not find any painted Eureka phalangites, and the unpainted samples seemed to have wandered off into the closet to parts unknown.
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Figured I'd bump this thread to ask: does anyone have a side-by-side comparison of 1st Corps phalangites right next to Foundry? I found a US distributor for 1st Corps and was thinking of rounding out a few units (because... why not :D ), but the 1st Corps figures I have--while nice sculpts--tend to vary wildly in size; the infantry I have seem on the smaller end, whereas the cavalry are closer to other modern ranges.
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The image (above) has the 1st Corps next to Old Glory. The Old Glory are fairly close to Foundry, a bit smaller than Polemarch or Aventine. The 1st Corps (far right) leaning pose shortens it somewhat. I have not combined Foundry with 1st Corps figures. Many other 1st Corps in this range are a bit shorter and stocky and the poses make them smaller, but they look alright next to Foundry figures at table top height.
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Thanks, Jeff. It was the pose of the 1st Corps figure that was throwing me.
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In my experience most of the older 1st Corps ranges ( eg Germans, Greeks and Achaemenid Persians) are smaller than most other manufacturers.....except "early" Foundry. They date back to the mid-'90s when figures were probably still called 25mm! Their Successor range was produced later and I have some of their Cataphracts. They are smaller than Aventine. I wouldn't mix them together in the same unit but they look fine together in the same army.
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In my experience most of the older 1st Corps ranges ( eg Germans, Greeks and Achaemenid Persians) are smaller than most other manufacturers.....except "early" Foundry. They date back to the mid-'90s when figures were probably still called 25mm! Their Successor range was produced later and I have some of their Cataphracts. They are smaller than Aventine. I wouldn't mix them together in the same unit but they look fine together in the same army.
I agree, the 1st Corps Cataphracts stand well with other cavalry, both Aventine, and Relic (But Relic horses are larger).
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As another fool embarking upon Successors in 28mm I thought I'd add my two penny worth.
Victrix and Warlord plastics look fine alongside each other in separate units but don't mix well. Don't go for the Victrix cavalry they are bloody massive.
1st Corps seem to be getting a bit of bad press here and I don't know why, their range is well balanced and as stand alone units look fine on the same table as the plastics; the cavalry are really nice and of a decent stature, we went for them after considering Aventine, Gripping Beast, Essex and Foundry.
Aventine are very nice - everyone loves Aventine but I did think their horses were a bit small (one of our guys said "a bit weedy"), the detail however is lovely.
If you are going for this big time then you might need to look at the cost regarding metal - I banged on about this on our blog site.
Whatever you do, it's a great period with a lot more to offer than it seems on the surface.
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Don't go for the Victrix cavalry they are bloody massive.
1st Corps seem to be getting a bit of bad press here and I don't know why, their range is well balanced and as stand alone units look fine on the same table as the plastics; the cavalry are really nice and of a decent stature, we went for them after considering Aventine, Gripping Beast, Essex and Foundry.
Aventine are very nice - everyone loves Aventine but I did think their horses were a bit small (one of our guys said "a bit weedy"), the detail however is lovely.
Does anyone know how the Foundry Companion Cavalry compares in size to the plastic phalangites? I'm thinking of getting Victrix phalangites with Foundry cavalry but I know the Foundry cavalry can be on the small side. I'm worried the horses will look like ponies compared to the infantry.
Also, can anyone tell me the height in inches or centimeters of the Victrix phalangites from the bottom of base to the top of the sarissa? I'm trying to figure out where I would store these miniatures. I store my miniatures in plastic bins about 5 inches high.
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Mike,
Just measured a figure, I'd say 85/86cm or just under 3and a half inches.
The Foundry cavalry are on the smaller side so might look a bit out of place and boy are they expensive!
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Thank you Westbury, very kind of you to take the time to provide the measurement.
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Does anyone know how the Foundry Companion Cavalry compares in size to the plastic phalangites? I'm thinking of getting Victrix phalangites with Foundry cavalry but I know the Foundry cavalry can be on the small side.
The Foundry Companions are large enough and the horses tall to fit with Victrix foot. Victrix cavalry outsize Foundry, Aventine, and Vendel- which used to be the large end of the scale. Still they can exist in separate units.
I hope to post a size compare soon.
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Of course 85/86cm should have 85/86mm lol :D
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Here is the latest side by side of various 28mm Companion cavalry I have. The Victrix seems to fit better in photography, but that is an effect of foreshortening. Side by side the differences are enhanced. All of these are usually command figures or in separate units. The biggest issue with the Victrix is the replacing of the xyston spears as some have already snapped and I'm not confident they will last through driving to a game in box They are super for dioramas.
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Thank you for the pictures Jjonas.
It looks like the Foundry horses and Victrix horses are close in size. The issue with Victrix seems to be the rider. I have seen pictures here on LAF that show that the Victrix (seated) riders are the same height as the standing infantry. The figures are lovely but they really made a mess of the set with the size of the miniatures.
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Regarding Victrix cavalry these photo's seem to disguise (not deliberately I'm sure) just how big they are. Both the rider and horse are over sized when compared to others and when compared to the Victrix infantry so when together they just look wrong, you certainly wouldn't mix them with others in the same unit and I think even as separate units they would still look odd. To give a fairly simple example we use 40mm x 50mm for our 'heavy' cavalry, 2 to a base which all other manufacturers cope with no problem but 2 Victrix companions is a real squeeze.
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Regarding Victrix cavalry these photo's seem to disguise (not deliberately I'm sure) just how big they are.
It’s very difficult to show. I staggered the model so tallest was in the middle so you can see the angle of size as it tapers.
Obviously the best way is to make an X-ray overlay. But I’m not trying to get that anal ;). Suffice to say - I am disappointed that they are not in scale, and super hero pro wrestler bulky, not in line with their own infantry models of the same period.
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Gotta agree Jeff, your photos do seem to inadvertently disguise how gargantuan the Victrix really cavalry are :D Problem is, they look great! I love the sculpts; I just wish they weren't 1.5x as big as everything else.
I think the photo with the Relic cavalry at the other end shows it best, though. I really don't think of Relic as particularly tiny, but then I put them next to the Victrix cav and WHAMMO! It's like one unit is riding dinosaurs lol
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Ok- I agree. I think this needs a more forensic approach. I will see if I can get side by side photos with a reference point so they can be aligned. That will make it clearer and then I can add them in a more coherent presentation- thanks.
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Here are a few side by sides:
From Aventine's small horses to Foundry and then Relic. Photos just don't quite show it, but it is a 3D thing. The Obvious issue with the Victrix horses not fitting on 75mm bases easily is typical of plastic figures now where often the figure footprint is geared to skirmish games rather than ranked up side-by-side. Of course this allows more dynamic poses.
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"super hero pro wrestler" I love that lol
Must add it to the rules '+1 if super hero pro wrestler'
On a side note, I'd not really considered the Vendel and Relic for our project as I didn't think they were readily available but you keep showing nicely painted versions of them :( lol
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Phalangites!
left to right: Crusader, Aventine, Essex
(https://i.postimg.cc/7L8DYcXH/20210428-215558-1.jpg)
close up
(https://i.postimg.cc/zXvqdTVr/20210428-215754-1.jpg)
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Interesting how well the older Essex figure still works with the newer models. I do remember it being a real pain gluing all the right arms onto mine though...
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Interesting how well the older Essex figure still works with the newer models. I do remember it being a real pain gluing all the right arms onto mine though...
Oh yes tell me about it.....I have only had to stick the one arm on that figure so far, what a game that was....dreading doing all his mates
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Oh yes tell me about it.....I have only had to stick the one arm on that figure so far, what a game that was....dreading doing all his mates
You can do it James!