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Miniatures Adventure => Weird Wars => Topic started by: Agis on August 29, 2009, 02:56:28 PM
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Time to show a finished Gear Krieg super science tank: The dreaded German Mantikor.
(http://www.agisn.de/Mantikor_2.jpg)
Seen in action in a city-fight ...
(http://www.agisn.de/assets/images/Mantikor_4.jpg)
All about it here: http://www.agisn.de/html/experimental_tanks.html (http://www.agisn.de/html/experimental_tanks.html)
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Allright, now that´s too far out even for me. But technically speaking, it´s a splendid conversion (?) and paint job. As expected. ;)
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(http://www.newlaunches.com/entry_images/0808/29/landspeeder-replica.jpg)
(Still can't get past the speeder look sorry).
I can hear the driver now.
But I vas going to the toshi station to pick up some power convertors Kaptain!
Nice but a little too wierd.
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Agreed with Vyper. Far too advanced for WW2 era tech.
-Doc
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I think it's great, and the above comments I find baffling. No one bats an eyelid at the insanity of all the effort and tech required to construct walkers (to what end exactly? Other than looking cool?), but hover? Why, that's just preposterous!
You Weird Warriors crease me up! :)
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Agreed with Vyper. Far too advanced for WW2 era tech.
-Doc
And this is coming from me that's just completed wolfenstein, (and they've got bloody tyrannids (Insert GW IP police and law suit aimed at ID here) ripping through from the Black Sun demension and everything) and I like me world wars a little wierd.
Hey at least I didn't mention it's not in 28mm...
bugger :D
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Thanks guys for the nice comments, each to his own as far as the tech level is concerned. ;)
I have to agree however, that also IMO a hover/ laser tank is more "realistic" then Zombies or Walkers...
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(Still can't get past the speeder look sorry).
If I want to stay close to the original DP9 design I have to follow it...
The position of the side mounted engines are this way in the artwork...
see: (http://www.freewebs.com/jakarnilson/ger_hover.jpg)
That is all I had! My conversion come pretty close IMO!
So no way of changing it.
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Hm, I´m sorry to be all mischievous and picky, but that line-art looks like it has some hovercraft skirts going all the way round the hull. Now that I could believe, but yours looks more "anti-grav-ish", and that somehow just doesn´t click (although if it runs on Vril, then why not).
I would have preferred the all-round-skirt variant, more closely to the ground.
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IMO a hover/ laser tank is more "realistic" then Zombies or Walkers...
Well now you're just being plain silly! :o
:D
Yeah point taken re the design and you always do them well granted just as you say each to his own my friend.
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Hm, I´m sorry to be all mischievous and picky, but that line-art looks like it has some hovercraft skirts going all the way round the hull. Now that I could believe, but yours looks more "anti-grav-ish", and that somehow just doesn´t click (although if it runs on Vril, then why not).
I would have preferred the all-round-skirt variant, more closely to the ground.
Hmm, strange - for me it also looked like a hovercraft skirt, therefore my grey hovercraft skirts to the left and right. And thinking of Bazooka shields on Panthers I decided to give it some extra protection from the sides, therefore the Bazooka shields on top of the grey hover skirts!
For me the pic does not look as if the skirts runs around the tank. But this is all speculation. We only have this ONE pic and my interpretation of it... ;)
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you sound like little kids in a GW store who argue about the colour of Ultramarines! >:(
give us a break....
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hey guys
can you just skip this shit and comment on the model?
you sound like little kids in a GW store who argue about the colour of Ultramarines! Angry
give us a break....
Hear hear! ;) :D Lo and behold if you choose to defy the moderator! ;)
Hmm, strange - for me it also looked like a hovercraft skirt, therefore my grey hovercraft skirts to the left and right. And thinking of Bazooka shields on Panthers I decided to give it some extra protection from the sides, therefore the Bazooka shields on top of the grey hover skirts!
For me the pic does not look as if the skirts runs around the tank. But this is all speculation. We only have this ONE pic and my interpretation of it... ;)
Ahhh! I hadn´t interpreted yours as inflated skirts, but rather some torpedo-ish appliances (coupled with the comparably altitude, as anti-gravitic coils, because they did NOT go all the way round). The protective armour skirts outside of the plenum chamber skirts are excellent, then. And you know, that´s why I still prefer the old-style three-quarter images they had in Heavy Gear back in the day - more than just a side elevation.
On another note, I actually like the laser - really something a 3W2-Telefunken would come up with. The "Volkslichtkanone" or something.
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hey guys
can you just skip this shit and comment on the model?
you sound like little kids in a GW store who argue about the colour of Ultramarines! >:(
give us a break....
No but you targetted me apparenty!!!!
And swearing on the thread does what actually? (Apart from denote your own maturity of course). If you have a problem please feel free to report to the moderator......
Anyway....
The laser barrel is a very nice touch, looking like a focussed beam energy weapon in it's most raw and 'just off the blue print' fashion.
I've been playing wolfenstein to death for the last week and noted that the 'super weapon' featured earlier on in the game was to be tank mounted and looked like a turret mounted bombard, similar to a sturmmorser (sturmtiger assault gun).
Although it looked good you could never believe that the tank mounted version could carry enough power to fire this deathstar weapon.
With the Mantikor this would appear to be possible, however would it be able to fire and hover or would this limit it's use and therefore lethality?
Have you used it in a game yet Agis? How did it fare?
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oh, moderators are free from talking crap? ;)
anyway, I didn't target You - but interesting You feel addressed....
was ist der unterschied zwischen einem Knastinsassen und einem Wachmann? - der eine hat die Schlüssel...
Big bunch of keys though...
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I don't need moderators. also I find calling feces by the name when I see it less offending than attacking someone personally just because You have a different idea about his tech-level, buddy!
but anyway since You are talking reason now....
thanks
Attacking?
Personally?
Oh please.... lol
Over the years of posting here I would count Agis as a friend and personal inspiration for being involved in the whole weird war genre actually.
So please if he feels affronted I'm sure he has the stones to tell me himself.
This forum is about a little bit of fun now and again you know, I'm sure you've posted up the odd comment for comedy value that adds no value to the thread now haven't you Captain Darling sir? ;)
So just relax a little ok...
I'm going to steer this back to the topic if that's ok with you matey so if you need to talk further PM me.
Cheers, and sorry Agis.
The Commander
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Time to show a finished Gear Krieg super science tank: The dreaded German Mantikor.
(http://www.agisn.de/Mantikor_2.jpg)
Seen in action in a city-fight ...
(http://www.agisn.de/assets/images/Mantikor_4.jpg)
All about it here: http://www.agisn.de/html/experimental_tanks.html (http://www.agisn.de/html/experimental_tanks.html)
So to recap before derailment:
The laser barrel is a very nice touch, looking like a focussed beam energy weapon in it's most raw and 'just off the blue print' fashion.
I've been playing wolfenstein to death for the last week and noted that the 'super weapon' featured earlier on in the game was to be tank mounted and looked like a turret mounted bombard, similar to a sturmmorser (sturmtiger assault gun).
Although it looked good you could never believe that the tank mounted version could carry enough power to fire this deathstar weapon.
With the Mantikor this would appear to be possible, however would it be able to fire and hover or would this limit it's use and therefore lethality?
Have you used it in a game yet Agis? How did it fare?
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I hereby apologize for having misunderstood your friendly chap-talk ;)
btw, I like the model very much, and I think the sidekick with Luke's glider is especially funny.
and by the way, if one really assumes that such vehicles are run with Vril, then size really doesn't matter right?
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Pheeww, I absolutely did not want to start something like that with my model!
8)
Anyway -The Laser has of course a suitable German name - BüLi-Werfer - Bündellichtwerfer.
Here is a quote from my rules:
PzKpfw VIII "Mantikor" with Schwerer BüLi-Werfer (Bündellichtwerfer/Heavy Laser), Nahverteidigungswaffe and one Hull mounted MG (FaF)
Overheating: This weapon has a tendency to badly overheat every time it was fired. This was a common problem for the first primitive Bündellichtwerfer (Laser) weapons of WW II. Roll a D10 after each shooting action. On a roll of 1 the weapon overheats and can not fire for 1D6 actions. All other weapons may be fired as normal.
Nahverteidigungswaffe: Throughout the war the Germans developed a number of close range weapons systems to protect Panzers and Panzerkämpfer from infantry attacks. One of the more successful attempts was the Nahverteidigungswaffe: it consisted of a modified short range 81mm mortar firing an airburst shell from the turret top. This proved very effective at dislodging infantry that had strayed too close. Unfortunately, it could not discriminate between friends and enemies.
Schwerer Bündellichtwerfer (Heavy Laser): The retreat at Dunkirk had netted the Germans a great deal of British war materials, including several working examples of the new experimental laser weapon. After several months of testing and redesign, the first prototypes were ready for field-testing. Fitted to existing vehicles in place of their main armament, the weapon used a chemical battery to provide the necessary electricity to fire.
These primitive batteries needed constant maintenance in the field. Initially a bulky system, later developments allowed it to be fitted to Panzerkämpfer.
Towards the end of the war, even a man portable system was deployed. The primitive Bündellichtwerfer (laser) devices had a tendency to overheat badly every time they were fired.
Hope that gives more food for friendly thought and debate!
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One more thing, the model was of course fully tested, it opens some nice opportunities in World at War: Gear Krieg, high speed light tank assault.
;)
The hover special move is quite helpful and the high accuracy of the BüLi-Werfer is very nice...
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And one more thing: I have a Poll running at the DP9 forum, please vote there and answer my latest question! I need your input. :D
http://dp9forum.com/index.php?showtopic=7079&pid=132140&st=20&#entry132140 (http://dp9forum.com/index.php?showtopic=7079&pid=132140&st=20&#entry132140)
Bottom-line: Are Vehicle specific, cheap pdf book interesting?
Example: I could publish the rules and background for the Mantikor within a week or so!
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And one more thing: I have a Poll running at the DP9 forum, please vote there and answer my latest question! I need your input. :D
http://dp9forum.com/index.php?showtopic=7079&pid=132140&st=20&#entry132140 (http://dp9forum.com/index.php?showtopic=7079&pid=132140&st=20&#entry132140)
Bottom-line: Are Vehicle specific, cheap pdf book interesting?
Example: I could publish the rules and background for the Mantikor within a week or so!
You evil man, is this another attempt to lure me towards this scale? ;) I have to register to vote.
Very nice background, would love to have a read of your latest book just for reference material as it sounds like as with everything you do, you've put huge amounts of effort into it.
Re: the overheating weapon, is there a further rule for catastrophic overheat? ie can the crew produce an intense beam in a do or die situation that will run the risk of well...
kaboom: keine panzer?
If if damaged are their options for power failures, arcing and again overload to explosion?
Cheers
The Commander
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A WW2 hover tank....whatever next..! :o
That would be a real shock for the Allies!!!!!
Walkers are much more realistic ( although even 21st century technology couldn't make one without it falling over all the time) and zombies are REAL!!! lol
Seriously though, excellent stuff Agis! 8)
BTW: Have you thought of doing a 28mm version? I am feeling an urge to "borrow" this idea.........
Regards
PM
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A WW2 hover tank....whatever next..! :o
That would be a real shock for the Allies!!!!!
Walkers are much more realistic ( although even 21st century technology couldn't make one without it falling over all the time) and zombies are REAL!!! lol
Seriously though, excellent stuff Agis! 8)
BTW: Have you thought of doing a 28mm version? I am feeling an urge to "borrow" this idea.........
Regards
PM
I didn't pay Pappa to say that I promise! :D
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Very nice vehicle Agis :-*
I still have some GK walkers buried in my piles of minis, someplace - I should dig them up one of these days, especially if DP9 is actually going to make Shikis...
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You evil man, is this another attempt to lure me towards this scale? ;) I have to register to vote.
Good, that was the plan! 8)
Very nice background, would love to have a read of your latest book just for reference material as it sounds like as with everything you do, you've put huge amounts of effort into it.
True! We aim to please.
Re: the overheating weapon, is there a further rule for catastrophic overheat? ie can the crew produce an intense beam in a do or die situation that will run the risk of well...
Nope, I am still close to the DP9 background, the total overload would be too pulpy for that background!
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BTW: Have you thought of doing a 28mm version? I am feeling an urge to "borrow" this idea.........
Sorry, no interest at all! But by all means - do it!!!
The good thing with Battlefield Evolution World at War is that it is playable from 28mm to 6mm...
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Really nice stuff as usual. At first (when seeing the WIP) I thought it was a bit too futuristic, but now seeing the final thing, I take it back! ;)
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you sound like little kids in a GW store who argue about the colour of Ultramarines! >:(
give us a break....
At least they aren't those little kids. Because then I'd have to slap something ;).
Personally though, I think it's an excellent bit of work. Hover and laser tech seems more likely than mechs anyway, plus there's the coolness factor. Practicality can be thrown out the window so long as it's cool looking.
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Practicality can be thrown out the window so long as it's cool looking.
Sounds like the golden rule of pulp / weird war science to me!
:) ;D :)