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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Frostgrave => Topic started by: tin shed gamer on February 02, 2021, 09:32:14 PM
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Normally at this time of year I'd be looking forward to York.
Where I along with many would fall foul of socially irresponsible town planning .Then after several valiant attempts to quench an unseasonably parched throat. The annual project challenge is issued.
There's no show and no alcohol fuelled Last of the Summer Wine antics this year. Yet the' Tufty Club Survivor's' Guild' Challenge landed this morning.
It's no great surprise by the choice of board. What my challenge is.
Which amused them to a man. As I know absolutely Nothing about Frostgrave . Other than that two page pamphlet that's shoved into your had at show's from time to time.(which I normally use or recycle into something or other.)
I've no idea what constitutes a Frostgrave Warband? Other than it probably needs A magic user/ wizard( I guessed that from the cover ;D ) and Some henchmen/ sidekick types.
As for the theme. It's been set as Disk World. So I was musing with the original Night Watch of Guard's Guard's. After that . I'm vague on Rincewind or one of the Witches.Or even the librarian?
Now I know they'll be someone out there flogging Disk World figures. It doesn't matter as these will be one off sculpts.
So any insight or advice? ( short of buying the Rule set. As it's a lock down with no chance of getting together to wrap our heads around something new.)
Mark.
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8) cool...i am new to discworld. sounds like a riot cause frostgrave rocks!!!!
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If you're up for some listening, Paint All the Minis has a frostgrave episode where they talk about the game for almost 2 hours.
https://patmramble.libsyn.com/ep-180-joe-mccullough-frostgrave-2nd-edition
Basically the warband building is Wizard, Apprentice, 8 soldiers. 4 of the soldiers can be specialists which are the more elite guys. Ranged weapon soldiers are specialists along with those in heavy armour. Thugs and Thieves are free to hire so if you want a few extra guys with basic hand weapons or a dagger and light or no armour, then you'll be able to come up with some sort of 8 soldier combination at the starting gold piece budget.
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MicroArt Studio appears to be the source for official discworld minis.
I'm guessing you're in Old Blighty, so Wayland Games may be cheaper (I'm on my work machine, so google is okay, but I'm not sure they would appreciate me going to those websites to check ;D)
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Funny,I was just watching the Cohen the Barbarian film Troll Bridge on YouTube.
Interested in what you come up with.
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If your looking for miniatures The Town Guard from crooked dice might be worth considering.
https://crooked-dice.co.uk/product-category/fantasy/page/4/ (https://crooked-dice.co.uk/product-category/fantasy/page/4/)
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Liam.
Guard's Guard's is definitely worth a read or a listen depending on your preference.( I often have audio books playing whilst working. Although I do have to be careful some audio books dubs tend to send me into a coma.)
Matty
Thank you very helpful I've a rough idea now of what I need to sculpt. Is a familiar possible?and can it be used in a combative role? As the luggage would be an idea candidate.
Guy
Oddly enough I did the same thing last night. I thought about
Cohen. But then I'd only need to do do figures him and a scantily clad young lady to sort out his bad back.
It's be a one side game though.
Thanks for the reference and links . With out wishing to sound pompous . I'm going to sculpt every figure coz I can ;). The sculpting isn't why they've done this. What they think is funny is me going off in butterfly mode and not stopping till I made everything you'd need for a game.In fact I'd put money on that being their cunning plan.
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I am also very interested to see the results of this - I enjoy both the Discworld and Frostgrave. My initial thoughts would be that the Night Watch would be a good basis for the soldiers in a warband and here are some other ideas for members of the party:
Wizard: Granny Weatherwax (I love the character and if she is in the band she wont be taking orders from anyone else)
Apprentice: Magrat Garlik (Rincewind would also do, or Brutha from Small Gods if your wizard is from the Thaumaturge school)
Apothecary: Nanny Ogg
Medium Construct: The Luggage
Raised Zombie: Reg Shoe
Captain: Sam Vimes
Barbarian: The Librarian (he is powerful but unarmoured so I think he suits this character type, but he could of course be a Thug). Cohen the Barbarian would also work of course!
Warhound: Gaspode
Crossbowman: Detritus the Troll in Night Watch ("remember what I told you about Mr Safety Catch!")
To be honest Frostgrave is very flexible as a system so I would start by thinking of my 10 (11 if you raise a zombie in game!) favourite Discworld characters and then shoe-horn them in!
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I have a friend who did exactly this, made a Frostgrave crew using Discworld minis. It looked great!
He used the Microarts models, I look forward to seeing your ones
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Normally at this time of year I'd be looking forward to York.
Where I along with many would fall foul of socially irresponsible town planning .Then after several valiant attempts to quench an unseasonably parched throat. The annual project challenge is issued.
There's no show and no alcohol fuelled Last of the Summer Wine antics this year. Yet the' Tufty Club Survivor's' Guild' Challenge landed this morning.
It's no great surprise by the choice of board. What my challenge is.
Which amused them to a man. As I know absolutely Nothing about Frostgrave . Other than that two page pamphlet that's shoved into your had at show's from time to time.(which I normally use or recycle into something or other.)
I've no idea what constitutes a Frostgrave Warband? Other than it probably needs A magic user/ wizard( I guessed that from the cover ;D ) and Some henchmen/ sidekick types.
As for the theme. It's been set as Disk World. So I was musing with the original Night Watch of Guard's Guard's. After that . I'm vague on Rincewind or one of the Witches.Or even the librarian?
Now I know they'll be someone out there flogging Disk World figures. It doesn't matter as these will be one off sculpts.
So any insight or advice? ( short of buying the Rule set. As it's a lock down with no chance of getting together to wrap our heads around something new.)
Mark.
I the centre of each game is an opposing is, as you said, opposing pairs of a wizard and his or her apprentice. Thematically (and I'll be the first to applaud your choice of a Dicworld setting) i would use the slightly rubbish-at-magic Rincewind as the apprentice and any one of Archchancellor Mustrum Ridcully, the Librarian or some other venerable chap from the Unseen University staff. Why not the the PHead of the Department of Post Mortem Communications, Dr John Hix, for example?
Then you are, according to the rules, allowed hired help, which are up to a number characters with fixed stats for various professions (thief, barbarian, knight etc)
I would make a few of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch their escort. Captain Carrot Ironfoundersson, Captain Angua von Überwald, Sergeant Fred Colon, Corporal Nobby Nobbs, Igor to mention a few. It should be easy enought to match their characters to the team professions available in the rules.
The opposition could be the Witches. Miss Esmerelda Weatherwax seems like the obvious choice, with Tiffany Arching as apprentice. Miss Wetherwax posse could be made up of Wee Free Men and village people of Lancre.
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I had never considered using Discworld for Frostgrave. Now I can't think of anything else o_o
Please stop, I have too many projects on the go as it is ;D
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A couple of other ideas came to mind when considering the Witches books and Nanny Ogg's family that would certainly be compatible with Hammers proposals:
Shawn Ogg (comprising the whole of the Lancre Army and armed with his invention the Lancrastian Army Knife): Thug
Jason Ogg (village Blacksmith with the ability to shoe anything from an ant upwards and fearsome in costume as leader of the Lancre Morris Men): Thug
Neville Ogg (he stole the lead from the opera house roof): Thief
Greebo: Warhound
I am already sad that your sculptures will not be on general release. :'(
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I also recall that for summoned demons my mate used Death as a greater demon for the purposes of summoning and the Death or Rats as a lesser demon.
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I also recall that for summoned demons my mate used Death as a greater demon for the purposes of summoning and the Death or Rats as a lesser demon.
I think summoning the Lords and Ladies would be even better. They take very poorly to iron though, if you want to stay true to theme.
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There's some interesting ideas. I am going to have to re read a few books by sounds of it. As many of the names sound familiar yet I can't remember how they were described.
Because people seem to be genuinely interested in this project. I'm going spend the rest of even knocking up as much as possible of the first figure.
I'll start with the Librarian as he's a pretty easy figure to ease me back into fantasy sculpting.
Mark
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Well the morning's here, and day light too.
So I can see a little better. Here's a first play with the Librarian.
Still a lot of tidying up to do .Now that the clays cured I can back fill and tweak without putting a dirty great sausage finger through existing bits. Such as the under side which is looking less than clever. Still there's more than enough done to show you roughly what I had in mind. I'm going to ignore it for the rest of the day and get on with some paid work. And take a look at with fresh eyes later.Even over night I've noticed bits that need reworking. But that's what happens when you charge in with out a plan lol
( one interesting in a nerdy way s subtle change is the hands. they'll be repositioned just a little.)(As the pose is a little more open than the finished model simply to get the tooling done with out knocking the detail off. It should in theory make it more of fluid fighting stance. Be either way I'll know if I'm right once I've bent the arms and hands this evening.))
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Oook!
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I dunno about this sausage finger thing,wish I could sculpt a miniature off the fly like that. Great work Mark,this thread shall be good(notice that’s a statement lo).
G.
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I managed to ser the Librarian before the server move. Great job! Very Kirby!
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Here's the point the Librarian is as near done as it's going to look in a photo.
So onward to the next. Which in this case Corporal Nobby. I say it's less than half done .Once again it's enough to show it's sin's .
I'm glad you all like the idea. It's definitely going to keep going and going. Just not always at this speed. As no doubt real world stuff is bound to pop up.But until it does I'm going to on an evening watching the telly and push clay for fun.
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:o wow...thats cool!!!
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Here's a little more progress on 'Nobby'
I managed to get half way through his crossbow before calling it a night.
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An awesome couple of minis - keep going as I really want to see what you will do with the rest of the gang.
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Nobby's. Done so on with the third member of gang.
Constable Carrot.
Still the sword hand and hilt to adjust.
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After a little more reading I'm still non the wiser. ::) .A change of title seemed in order as I'm four sculpts in , and a sense of what the finished result is starting to emerge
I've still no real game plan. So going with what ever comes out of the clay.
Number four started out as a cunning plan to do Vimes . Only my mojo skipped town as life interrupted my train of thought.
Now its end up being a half baked generic member of the Watch. Still not sure on whether to change it to a leather baldrick rather than the OTT rope one.
Constable Carrot has had the Knicks added to his sword and the hilt shortened. Then a vambrace on the right arm.
Still haven't a pose in mind for Vimes. So I'll ether end up making the Sergeant or Rincewind next.
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:D amazing work!!!
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Cheers l
Liam I still cant get a decent photo . I'm
Hoping they'll look better once they're coloured in.
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Oh, these are wonderful (as is your plan).
If only there was a way to put these into production ...
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These are looking great!
Just in case you were looking for any more ideas there is a type of Frostgrave soldier that can be recruited into a band called a "Crow Master". Details are in the Thaw of the Lichlord supplement, but basically it is a figure who is relatively weak in combat but who controls a flying creature that swoops around ignoring terrain and attacking enemies. Maybe an excuse to sculpt Lady Sybil Ramkin (Vimes) and a Swamp Dragon from the Sunshine Sanctuary?
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These are looking great!
Just in case you were looking for any more ideas there is a type of Frostgrave soldier that can be recruited into a band called a "Crow Master". Details are in the Thaw of the Lichlord supplement, but basically it is a figure who is relatively weak in combat but who controls a flying creature that swoops around ignoring terrain and attacking enemies. Maybe an excuse to sculpt Lady Sybil Ramkin (Vimes) and a Swamp Dragon from the Sunshine Sanctuary?
Great idea 😎
I'm enjoying this thread immensely,sculpts are first rate too :)
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Thankyou all for the motivation.
I've gone back over the four figures this evening . As I'm not completely happy with the 'Nobby' and the generic guard.
The guard needs a little rework on the legs as the leading leg is too long.
Nobby's no longer Nobby as it's just not right it's now shorter in both the arms and the legs. With a tweak to the cheek pieces and a beard as it sits much better as a Dwarf .
All that tweaking aside . I'll try and fit in the start of a Sam Vimes.
I do like the idea of Lady Sybil. As I wasn't sure how to bring Errol into the set. I couldn't quite see him with the night watch.
Just as a side musing. I always wondered if Errol was a clever play on words. A sort of backward phonics 'lorre' as he's a backwards dragon and the Watch is the Law (sort of thing. If that makes sense. Or I've never worked with the window open)
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My housemate reads to me the guard stories. Lovely work Mark by the way. I was thinking of the troll Detritus with the siege crossbow in the Fifth Elephant and Constable Angua von Uberwald. Is the latter character the sergeant you are thinking of?
Cheers!
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Helen,
I'm starting with Vimes ,Carrot, Fred,and Nobby. The Librarian, Is able to be used for several characters.( if I'm following this properly as the Rules are not my role / purchase for this project.) Definitely adding to Detritus( still haven't figured out the helmet fan.
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These are brilliant sculpts, such a shame they won't be available for sale...
Still, if I may, I think Carrot needs to have his famous "protective" sculpted on. That old back-alley knee breaker.... lol
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Love 'em :-*
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These are bloody brilliant 8) :o 8) :o 8) :o 8)
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Wow...I'm a bit of a (actually quite a big) Discworld fan and I love these.
Nobby was originally described as being mistaken for a Dwarf regularly. Carrot was raised by Dwarfs (and believed himself to be an honorary Dwarf), but was taller than any of the current Watch members. If you need an actual Dwarf you have Cheery Littlebottom (now openly female). Reg Shoe is a Zombie (undead not unperson) and then there's Constable Downspout the gargoyle, Constable Visit-the-infidel-with-explanatory-pamphlets, Constable Dorfl who is a Golem, Constable Buggy Swires who is a gnome (actually he is later believed to be a Nac Mac Feegle) that flies on the back of a buzzard. Corporal Detritus the Troll with his siege engine crossbow.
Vimes could come with a Gonne, or a dragon...
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JB. I'd much prefer you felt comfortable enough to comment and know it'll be recieved the way it's intended.
Carrot is safely and correctly attired .Its just obscured by the sword blade in the photo. ;)
It occurred to me that it's been a while since I read any of the Watch books. So I'm reading Thud again ( on account if it being the only one thats not in the workshop burried under the contents of the shed( snows put a nice hole in the shed roof. Mind you it is a twenty five year old shed and it was secondhand when I got it so I cant complain too much)
I've finally got a cunning plan for the Nobby figure. So he'll be next just need a couple of dollies to dry and finish some paid stuff. Before I'm onto Fred Colon.
I'm pretty confident I'll end up doing the imp camera running on it's tripod. As it seems a pretty fun and fiddly build. ( which means I'm procrastinating in clay just to avoid the inevitable dozens of little legs of the luggage. I'll probably try and convenience myself it's just to give me time to figure out the legs . it won't make it any more true.)
I'm quite tempted to do a horde of the Wee folk . As a single block similar to a swarm model. But in three or four pieces that fit together to form one lump or swarm on a single base. It'll be quite a way down the line as it'll take up the sculpting time and clay of several figure.So it'll be a case of doing a little work on it ever time I've a left over piece of clay.
I'm definitely open to idea's . Definitely not to open toe sandals.Its one of those Kirby gaffs that seems to keep going and going.
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Definitely not to open toe sandals.Its one of those Kirby gaffs that seems to keep going and going.
You need Vimes' boots theory:
The poorer you are the more you spend on boots - because the poor quality boots you can afford wear out faster than the more expensive ones, causing you to buy them more often.
Pretty sure there's a comment somewhere about the soles on his boots being so thin that he could tell where he was in the City just by the feel of the cobbles.
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I see to remember it opening with him laying in the gutter and water swirling into his boot tops ( something like that.)
Here's the rework of Nobby. It's a little more in line with the styling I think I want for the project.
(Infact the dwarf and chap with tourch are heading for the lead pile. As they just don't fit .)
Nobby still needs some retouching as of now he's 90% done
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8)
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Great work.
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Neat!
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8) way cool!!!
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Up early this morning and bored by five . So I've started on Fred Colon. Still not sure on what to do with his hands as it's a see how it goes sculpt.
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Did a little more earlier this evening. I'll finish it tomorrow.
Then that'll be Vimes ,Carrot, Fred, Nobby, and the Librarian done. I was contemplating making a Rincewind next unless anyone's got a better idea?
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Fred looks excellent - it was him whose torso was described as fitted into his muscled breastplate like a jelly into a mould wasn't it?
Looking forward to Rincewind - don't forget that in Frostgrave you generally have two magic users, a wizard and his apprentice.
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Lovely work.
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:o lookin fab!!!!
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Here you go .
Still a fair bit too do.Which will be a while as its not cured enough to add too or tweak.
I'm definitely stumped as to who to add.( other than the luggage.) I've mentioned a few idea's but nothing else seems to fit for the initial warband .
As of now I've the four original Watch plus the Librarian,and Rincewind .
Any thoughts on who'd fit in without throwing the theme with random characters.( I think it's pretty clear I'm all in so they 'll be more than just the figures I need one warband once I'm done. Probably a troll or two as well.)
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Fab :-*
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How about Twoflower? He was the Disc's first tourist and the owner of the Luggage. The Colour of Magic and the Light Fantastic are about Twoflower and Rincewind's adventures together. So Rincewind would be your Wizard and Twoflower his apprentice (although this in no way follows the Discworld story).
Alternatively you could do the Archchacellor, Dean, Bursar, Head of Post Mortem Communications, Lecturer in Recent Runes, or the Chair of Indefinite Studies, Windle Poons (in his wheeled chair) or Ponder Stibbons (in his duffle coat) - then Rincewind would be the Apprentice.
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Once again lovely work. Granny Weatherwax and Tiffany Aching deserves a mention.
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Great sculpts. I am really enjoying seeing where this is leading to.
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I'm definitely open to idea's . Definitely not to open toe sandals.Its one of those Kirby gaffs that seems to keep going and going.
Funny enough, I'm re-reading 'Men at Arms' right now and there's a bit in it where Vimes is supposed to be getting changed into his posh clothes ready for a dinner party with Sybil Ramkin's aristocratic friends and he mentions that he wears sandals in summer and boots in winter. There we go!
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Cheers Paul,
You've reminded me just how much I need to go back and read it again .
Although I gave up trying to move stuff from the shed out of my workshop I got halfway through then figured it was easy just Amazon another copy. Than be stood at -1c° trying to fit it all back in. lol
Whilst trawling through this mornings home schooling :? I managed a quick musing on Sybil in her Sunshine Home attire still needs something.( didn't quite get the right angle on the face in the photos So I know it's not the face thats perplexing me) other than the obvious swamp dragon and boot fixes.
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:D splendid again still!!!!
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Love it! :-*
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Here we go a little further on.As I've claimed a little time to myself . As I popped out for the 'jab ' at half one.
I figured out what was bugging me . It was the left arm it was. Nearly 2mm too low.( armature wise) so it needed lopping off and re working.
Admittedly I forgot to mention the additional dragon's in the pockets and hood. Where always part of the plan.
Sort of 'foster mother of dragons' if you like.
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Another gem :-*
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Alternatively you could do the Archchacellor, Dean, Bursar, Head of Post Mortem Communications, Lecturer in Recent Runes, or the Chair of Indefinite Studies, Windle Poons (in his wheeled chair) or Ponder Stibbons (in his duffle coat) - then Rincewind would be the Apprentice.
This. From a Frostgrave rules perspective you need a wizard who i quite powerful, and to stay in theme someone from the staff of Unseen University is the obvious, most of all Mustrum Ridcully, the Archchancellor. His boisterous, choleric personality (getting roaring drunk at night just to raise at 6 in the morning to go trout fishing) fits the bill quite nicely.
There are of course other prominent magic users but the do not fit your urban theme as well as the Unseen Achademics.
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Excited to see them painted!
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I have to say that I prefer these to the official figures. They feel more real, while the official ones seem a bit too cartoony.
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Beautiful! :-*
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Fantastic sculpts, just fantastic.
I'd buy them if they were available.
Tony
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A fantastic Sybil and Errol! Great work!
One point to note for game use is that you might want to model an individual swamp dragon (perhaps in flight!) as when you have a "Crow Master" (Dragon Foster Mum) in your warband the "Crow" (Swamp Dragon) moves and attacks independently.
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Thanks for the motivation.
I've added some better pictures as a sort of recap ( including the two I'm not so sure about.)
I'll make a couple of swamp dragon's to go with her. I was toying with making a separate Errol and increasing the size of the swap dragons a little.
I think I'll probably make Ridcully inspired wizard and may be an alternative in a bath chair as well.
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Top job on those minis 8)
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Superb, and so faithful to the 'feel' of the book.
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Fantastic :-*
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YOU ARE ALL TO BLAME .
Now Because of you I have to make sixteen figures , and very likely half of that again.
On account of them now going to live at Sally 4th.( probably initially as a kickstarter . As thats Chris's preferred method of launching a range.)
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Here's what would have been( will be once cast) my wizard option. Not sure now if I should do four wizards for a set or three and the Librarian.
Either way another wizard is required.
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Very nice. Love the pipe.
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Here's what would have been( will be once cast) my wizard option. Not sure now if I should do four wizards for a set or three and the Librarian.
Either way another wizard is required.
Spot on!
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:D awesome!!!!
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These are wonderful - and as said before, really match the 'feel' of the books.
I'd love to see Agua and the Witches if only because I'm a completist and they are some of my favourite characters. The witches themselves would make an interesting 'magic' faction.
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Excellent!
I think if you are doing more than 10 figures then having two themed warbands (each with a Wizard/Apprentice) would make sense. As Hammers suggested at the start of the thread one could be Ridcully/Rincewind supported by the Night Watch (and the Librarian) and the other could be the Witches (Weatherwax/Aching) supported by other Lancre characters.
If you do do the Witches I vote for Nanny Ogg's intelligent, fat, foul smelling and ferociously villainous cat Greebo. If you need any inspiration then it might help to recall that he is described as looking "evil in an interesting kind of way, like a pirate who really understood the words "Jolly Roger."
Greebo would make an excellent "Warhound" in Frostgrave game terms, on the basis that (as noted in Wiches Abroad) "... it is almost impossible to develop decent swordsmanship when you seem to have run into a foodmixer that is biting your ears off."
Also I have been looking for an interesting cat sculpt that I can paint up in a likeness for our household moggie (even though she is sweet natured and rather nervous, not like Greebo at all!).
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Cheers Chaps,
But I wasn't happy with the latest sculpt so it's been tweaked .To something that just feels ,well just more.
As you all seemed disappointed that they weren't being cast I asked the league. Who were more than amused (as they were originally part of their original challenge.) They'd no interest in casting them. But didn't mind if I did get them cast as they see it as a Win, Win situation.
So Chris is going to have cast them cast as a Sally 4th range.
Which initially means sixteen figures to start(four packs of four mins)
Which sort of throws a spanner in the works. As I'd originally planned on the core four characters of Guard's Guard's. Plus the Librarian . The plug the gaps with characters from other watch stories.
The wizards and apprentice being covered by the two wizards sculpted so far. Then the Foster mother of dragons being an option to swap in or out.
So now I'm still non the wiser on a one off Frostgrave project.
Which has to expand into a range of fantasy figures that have to appeal to more than one rule set.
For now I'm going to ignore that issue and make another wizard or two . Rework the dodgy guard running with a tourch and add three more guards on more moving and two in static 'guard' poses.
Then another character pack of Guard's.
But I think before the guards I'll tackle some witches. As they seem to be popular choices.
As for the Librarian not sure if he should be in a familiar/ sidekick set.
Then a troll or two ;D
But then it depends on Chris and the random last minute stretch goals( these always turn up )
So I suspected this is going to get out of hand .
But for now I'm open to suggestions for figures.Or characters. As it appears I've forgotten more than I remember and Know even less than I thought .( Now that I'm re reading the books.)
A Greebo is on the card's too.As I literally have one. A one eyed black 1/2 Forest cat.
Who is a complete self centered arse of an animal.Last night he removed the chimney stack and roughly a third of the veg patch from the farm tile I'd only recently built. Plus pluck virtually every grass tuft from the castle gate I used as a backdrop in some of the photos. I'd swear on it being because I'd forgotten to given him any kibbles before I went to bed.
Plus he sleeps on top a teddy bear and growls if anyone goes near it.
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If you're looking for sidekick suggestions, Igor gets my vote.
Lancre witches definitely, along with some of the locals, eg Nanny Ogg's sons
Oh, and some time monks, if you have a spare five minutes :D
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I think Mark has done an excellent job on these miniatures, and I'm looking forward to adding them to the Sally 4th Miniatures range, expanding the Classic Movie range into Classic Movie & Book range!
As soon as Mark has finished his magic, we'll get a few test casts, get a set painted up and get a Kickstarter running. What we like to do is take suggestions from backers about how to expand the range, and then take a vote from backers to decide which new packs to add as stretch goals.
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Not a brilliant picture .
But should give a rough idea until it's finished. As suggested an Igor complete with it's dolly.( not an easy thing to see in the pic but its there non the less at the side of his left shoe.)
To be honest it's fallen out of the clay with very little argument. Still need to do some rivets on its head and the left forearm needs a little attention.
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As for the Librarian not sure if he should be in a familiar/ sidekick set.
He'ss probably the smartest of the staff of UU. I would field his as a captain, barbarian or special character.
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As an alternative band, or perhaps as thugs, you could do Foul Ole Ron, Coffin Henry, The Duck Man, Arnold Sideways, Altogether Andrews and Gaspode the Wonderdog of the Canting Crew. :)
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Love the sculpts and wouldn't want to be the one who throws a spanner in the works, but wouldn't there be copyright issues to deal with if this becomes a commercial thing?
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I'm assuming that these miniatures are Marks original work inspired by Terry Pratchett rather than being copies of a particular illustration from the book? In which case, no problem at all. When we sell them the characters will of course be renamed to protect the innocent. A bit like our inspired by Casablanca pack where we have 'The American', 'The Lady', 'The Pianist', 'The Inspector' etc.
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These are brilliant minis mate. Top sculpting work!
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A little better picture.
Vanth,
It's a fair point to raise. There's several thing's and conversations going on at once in this thread. The initial challenge was to build a Frostgrave Warband inspired by Guard's Guard's. Then there's people's thoughts and musings on what they'd like to see in a Warband.
Then there's the evolution of the sculpting and the transformation of the initial ten figures required into a fantasy kickstarter.
The inspired part is simple it's not directly copying a character. For example Rincewind has specific details such as the star on his hat and the word 'Wizzard' stitched on the front of his hat. None of this detailing is sculpted on to my wizard.
His actions in the books predominantly involve running away from things ' away being important part as the too takes care of it's self' and that paraphrasing is the inspiration for the pose of the Wizard. The actual clothing and appearance is not the same as the description in the book.
It's simply a figure in a pointy hat running. Not actually Rincewind. The fact I was intended on using him as Rincewind .Was reliant on how I painted it. All the detailing on the figure would have been Related to the character I would have painted on .
Because this was originally a personal project. Now the figures I've sculpted are all in a similar vein. None are in the styling of official figures or official illustrations.
Pratchet described Carrot as being called Carrot due to his shape and having short clipped hair.
I haven't followed that discription. The figure I built has curly hair nor does he have a V shaped body. He's just tall.
Now my inspiration for a figure is a combination of the state Carrot,Nobby,and Fred get into after an Bar fight. And the line ' No booldy lizard does that to me'(again paraphrased)
Again any correlation to the character would be through painting not intentionally built into the figure.
looking back you can see I initially made a different figure to represent MY Personal figure once painted of Nobby .Which I didn't feel was right as what I was making was pointed out gave a Kirby vibe. This is not what I intennd. So the figure was totally remade and the styling was kept to my personal sculpting preference.
I don't make' NOT figures. 'Which was and is a condition of the figures I do for Chris.
I really don't llike Not figures .A quick look at Chris's Thing inspired figures.The monster is a grotesque and twisted 'Thing' but it is nothing like the one in the movie.
In summary
These figures are not the characters from the book only inspired by single line's or situations . They're not E fits of the descriptions of the characters.
Theres a tall bloke, a fat bloke, a short bloke,and a middle aged bloke in armour. That with my skill set . I will go and paint to represent a set of figures for Frostgrave that will give the feel of the characters They could just as easily be painted as other characters. At which point they'd look like something else.
The uber simple example is you can sculpt a wizard and paint it to look like Gandalf the grey.
But you can sculpt Gandalf the grey and paint it.
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Just to bring some levity back.
I really do have an ass incarnate of a one eyed black cat.
This look is because I dared to sit on the other end of 'his' sofa.
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........The actual clothing and appearance is not the same as the description in the book.
It's simply a figure in a pointy hat running. Not actually Rincewind.
Maybe not Rincewind, but certainly bears an almost uncanny similarity to:
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Limited edition Perf from the licensed "Journey Quest" figure range. (not my image, cropped from a picture on the Reaper forum)
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I think I've seen a little of the series on Amazon. I might give a try again. But it wasn't really my cup of tea.
Right I've been a little busy . So I've only just managed some time to take a photo of number 12.
A research Wizard.
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I think I've seen a little of the series on Amazon. I might give a try again. But it wasn't really my cup of tea.
It's very much an RPG nerd thing. Has some great moments hidden amongst a lot that just makes you cringe.
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Seeing your work is inspiring.
I would like to try my hands at sculpting my own creatures, made from wire armatures; small dragons, trolls, crows, various ethereal undead, etc...
Could you please recommended your preferred material that you use to sculpt all these wonderfully detailed masterpieces in.
Would you recommend any media a beginner should study before starting?
Thank you for posting these.
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Woah steady on.
that's a little OTT for the sensibilities of a Yorkshireman. :o
I'm much more use to ' T'ah They'll do ' when I drop work off.
'Sez it all that duz'. No fuss lol
Joking aside thank you.
Contrary to popular belief I use lots of materials Not just cereal packets. ( though I could probably make a serviceable dragon out of a cereal packet but thats just my butterfly mode instantly kicking in lol I've already made elephants, power armour ,and Gollums out of card .)
For big stuff like dragons and trolls I'd probably start with something like an oven curing clay like super sculpy with a wire frame back filled with tin foil ( home baking stuff.)
As it's very forgiving and doesn't dry out / cure unless you heat it . So you can take your time.
You can use oven baked poly clays such as super sculpy and Fimo for figures too. You still need to use an armature though. Not only an armature but a clay like green stuff just to add the first couple of bulk layers to your dollies. Before adding the oven curing clays as it's difficult to get these to stick straight on to the wire with out useing super glue.
I personally don't use Green stuff anymore. (But the most productive combination for me to use was ..all the blue and 1/3 of the Yellow. You can off course go 50-50 . Its just a case of trial and error to find the recipe that you find easier to move into shape.)
For several reasons .The colour makes me go 'clay blind' if I'm using it for an extended period.
The companies I do work for are finding on occasion the oils in the clay react with the newer low temperature moulding materials.
I much prefer the clay I use now for sculpting. ( it does initially take some getting use too.)
Green stuff needed mentioning first As its more forgiving to start out with but can be a little sticky.
My preference is ProCreate it's un forgiving and it's an arse to get to stay put sometimes if you stop kneeding it between applications.
There's several other brands I use but the ones mentioned are the easiest to get hold of.
As for media YouTube has a fair few tutorials. They tend to be more This is What I do. Rather than a how and Why.
But with a bit of a trawl you may find the helpful.
Or pick my brains and others on here . You can alway start a thread charting your journey and ask for advice .
The one thing I'd reccomend is getting hold of an articulated action figure such as an old school jointed action man. Much more efficient for proportioning than the artists wooden one's .Dont get anything small than an action man as it just wont pose in a natural way that includes smaller artists mannequins..
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As for media YouTube has a fair few tutorials. They tend to be more This is What I do. Rather than a how and Why. But with a bit of a trawl you may find the helpful. Or pick my brains and others on here . You can always start a thread charting your journey and ask for advice .
The one thing I'd recommend is getting hold of an articulated action figure such as an old school jointed action man.
Thank you for your help. Sorry to offend the delicate sensibilities of a Yorkshireman and all that....
Followed your advice and in addition turns out the local library branch in the downtown "Artist District" near the Old Fort has a few older tomes in circulation on these very precise topics ..
I will shuffle off over to my own thread soon so as not to derail this one....
thanks again... your work has that spark which captures the magical sliver of character in the soul of a human being a computer program will never process ....
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No Worries.
Have a look at my Homefront thread( ww2) and my Workbench thread as there's often sculpting on both threads
If you get stuck or you feel I might have an idea on how yo do something.( must warn you I just make things up as I gp a long)feel free to pick my brains
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Here's as far as I've managed to get in between other project's.
There's enough for me to get my Frostgrave off the ground and enough for Chris to start up his kickstarter. No doubt I'll end up making some stretch goal's as Chris likes to give backers the choice of stretch goals to be exclusive sculpts of their choice.
(I'm not sure on the sack doll familiar or the dwarf, as the fourth figure . in that pack. Photograph doesn't show it either of them that well.)
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They’ve turned out alright.
(Is that the appropriate level of appreciation for Yorkshire?)
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Ooh, how did I miss this! Lovely work!
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8) way cool!!!!
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They look great. Wonderful set of characters.
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Fred.
A reply worthy of a nod of appreciation ( which I actually caught myself doing when I read the first line lol )
Cheers Liam.
Doze. Better late than never.
They're off for casting on Monday. I'll post some picture's once I get some painted.( as it was originally what was intended.)
Although Dag's will probably beat me to the punch. As I think he's been commissioned to paint them for Chris.
Back on to their role for Frostgrave , can anyone think of a role / figures I've missed.( my copy still hasn't arrived.) Before I start on at least one opposition Warband.
I'm pretty sure I'll end up making an ancient Barbarian on Horse back As I've horse that was a rework of an Ebob horse.( the Ebob horse is just a dolly not the horse its self as it was used to keep it in scale with other horse's in the range.In the end it turned out to be quicker and easier to correct the Ebob flaws rather than remake all the horses .So it never got used.)
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And that’s a win for Cohen! ;)
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In Frostgrave you can have an "Apothecary" soldier type who is not much of a fighter but who can carries a healing potion which he or she can provide if required to a member of the warband. To fit this role how about a Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler character serving restorative delicacies from a tray hung around his neck? Surely one of Mr Dibbler's sauages in a bun would have any flagging adventurer quickly back on their feet and desperate to get back into action!
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Cohen complete with rubber ring on his saddle.Is definitely what I had in mind.
Bearwoodman.
I'd thought about sculpting him but I couldn't see an immediate roll for him ( No role no time to waste sculpting otherwise I'll never get to a usable state/point.)
But definitely makes him more plausible.
Cohen is useful from my point of view as I'd bought the rerelease set of Barbarians Nic mentioned last year.So he'll tie the barbarians in as another warband/ faction.
Don't be expecting a particularly heroic pose on horse. Or foot come to think of it.
I've some more casual and age related poses in mind.
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What I like to do with Kickstarters, is once the core products have been funded, is to open it up to backers for suggestions as to what we should add next as stretch goals and then arrange a vote for backers, so please keep your suggestions coming in and I'll check here for the voting list for the first couple of stretch goals. I'm very excited about this project and Sally 4ths first fantasy miniatures. I'm busy making some Frostgrave terrain to use for gaming and photography and I'm really hoping that we will be able to get some test casts painted very quickly to enable us to get this campaign underway!
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Cohen is useful from my point of view as I'd bought the rerelease set of Barbarians Nic mentioned last year.So he'll tie the barbarians in as another warband/ faction.
Does this mean you're going to do the whole Silver horde?
Hoping for Mad Hamish and his wheelchair.
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Possibly as I always fancied a sort of Seven Samurai game. with them.
I've just about finished his horse ( it's a lot easier to make a rider to fit a horse .Than the other way round.)
Although Chris is casting the first 16 ( and the foster mother of dragon's.)
Not everything I sculpt is going to be cast.As I've still got tge League's original challenge to complete. Plus what ever figures I feel would work with in the bounds of a game.
Plus I've still got to paint the bloody thing's.
This thread has ended up being a double topic. As it's something that I'm doing for myself and posting on here.But ends up with parts of it being sculpts that go on to be commercial pieces as well.( like pretty much every other topic I've done of late ::)).
It could well be that My interpretation of Cohen becomes a commercial cast.If it's a voted for stretch goal.As I'll have a sculpt already done.There would be little point sculpting another ancient Barbarian hero.when It's sat just waiting for painting.
Equally it could just as easily be a one off sculpt.I paint up for my own use.
Whatever stretch goal requests Chris gets .I'll have to sculpt.
They'll still be relevant to my personal project. So they'll end up on the thread.As it's my hobby project thread not a commercial one.
In short it's turning into another thread with a split personality.
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Do you paint your masters, or do you cast them first and paint the casts?
The few figures I've (badly) sculpted I could never bring myself to paint, because that would be them "gone". I have no such problems with conversions, just the scratchbuilt ones.
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Here's a couple of progress shots of the Barbarians' horse.
Obviously I still need to detail the front of the shield. I've not quite made my mind up the style of shield boss.
Definitely paint them it's the best way to improve your sculpting. It helps you understand what you've actually sculpted not what you think you've sculpted. As they're very often completely different to what you thought you'd pushed into clay
They're not lost once you've painted them .Its simply the first phase of a complete figure. ( besides if your not happy with what you've painted then' Bio strip 20' will bring you nack to bare clay without harming your figure.
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Wow, beautiful horse!
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Lovely. What do you material do you sculpt in?
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Cheers one and all.
Had a little difficulty in getting the camera to pick up the right hand detail. ( it'll show up well enough once it's painted) his right hand is in an inverted fist with his little finger digging for potatoes as my grandfather would say.( stuck in his ear.)
Mrj. Zemjw.
I'll pop some pictures over on my workbench thread of both painted master and the different clays used.
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Totally love this guy!
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Cohen is AWESOME!
I'm assuming you have Troll Bridge...
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Lovely,the horse is really good,a must have!
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:D great work!!!!
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A quick update on project and plea for help!!
We have made great progress on getting Mark's Guards Guard moulded and cast, Jon our very talented painter has a set and is looking to get them painted next week. As soon as we get the painted miniatures to photograph, we will put a Kickstarter together and get the show on the road, hopefully hitting lots of stretch goals for extra sculpts from Mark including the lovely Barbarian on horseback.
Jon asked me this morning for painting notes, and to be honest I don't have any! So I was hoping that Mark (or any other Pratchet fans) might be able to help out by adding some background information about each miniature. I have added a number for each miniature to the photographs. It would be great to know the name of the character the model is 'inspired by', a short description, the Frostgrave character type best suited to, and any painting / color notes that would help Jon, (such as No 7, is noted in the books to always wear a pea-green waistcoat with a scarlet & white spotted handkerchief cascading from pocket).
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I know it was Marks original intention to make these to suit two 'crews' for Frostgrave. Are there some characters that should go together in the same warband?
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1. Sgt Fred Colon - the living embodiment of a perpetual Sergeant (normally to be found with Cpl Nobbs).
2. Cpl Nobby Nobbs - widely believed to be a dwarf, but actually human. Scruffy, smelly, most likely to be found with an old dog-end and a concealed knife.
3, 4, 5, 7 - think these are generic Watch members.
6. Cpl (later Captain) Carrot Ironfoundersson. Tall, red haired, broad shouldered orphan, found by Dwarves as a baby and raised by them to be a miner, until he made his way to Ankh-Morpork. Thinks like a Dwarf, people find themselves standing to attention in his presence.
8. Captain (later Commander, Sir) Samuel Vimes - tough, salt of the earth, steely eyed leader of the Night Watch (later the City Watch).
9. Archchancellor Mustrum Ridcully - head of the Unseen University - Like all Wizards he will be dressed mainly in red (including the hat). A rural gent of the type that shouts loudly and shoots things. Has survived numerous assassination attempts through cunning and guile.
10...not sure which wizard this is...
11. Rincewind - usually found running from danger, accidentally read the most powerful spell ever and saved the Discworld from the creatures from the Dungeon Dimensions. Played by David Jason in the TV adaptations of The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic. Has the misspelt "Wizzard" in silver on his hat.
12. not sure which wizard this is...
13. not sure
14. Could be Hargar from Hargar's House of Ribs ?
15. The Librarian - a wizard accidentaly morphed into an orangutan - found the extra length and strength of his arms to be useful when navigating the bookshelves in the Library, so didn't want to be changed back. Says "OOK!" a lot. Good friend to Rincewind.
16. Igor - one of the many Igors and Igorinas that inhabit Uberwald and have now spread to Ankh-Morpork. Makes an excellent surgeon. Think of all the lisping, patched-together sidekicks of the evil Professor/Doctor/ Vampires in the old movies. Fond of saying "Yeth Marthter".
17. Lady Sybil Vimes (nee Ramkin) - Patron of The Sunshine Sanctuary for sick, abused or abandoned Swamp Dragons. A large Wagnerian and aristocratic lady (old, old money) who is almost as fierce and scary as the Swamp Dragons that she breeds. Usually found wearing stout boots, a toughened leather apron, a green coat with lots of pockets and a wig as most of her naturally auburn hair has been singed off.
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Chris Odd little wobble their. lol
Jon colours in toys for a living. He's already spoken to me about my thoughts on colour schemes .Just to see if he was on the right track before he gets out his crayons.
I'll be colouring them in a different style to my Pulp and Homefront stuff.As I've still the original premise to complete.
Thargor,
As what I'm making isn't a direct one for one character rendering .Its inspired by the world of Terry Pratchet .It sounds like semantics .But its not. I'm not using Pratchets discriptions or official images of characters as source.Rather half sentences that and situations that spring to mind from them .Such as running too enthusiastically towards an unkown situation. Which lead to a figure running with a lantern. Or a figure Inspired by " no bloody flying lizard does that to me!"
(It's a subtle but important difference . I'm not making NOT ;) DR Who figures and having 'witty' plays on the original characters names.)
So I'll leave the naming of characters to others as name figures as certain characters risks. Turning this into a 'NOT'.
I don't sculpt 'NOT'ranges. It's where the issue lies with the thread. There are two conversations going on with in it that keep getting crossed.
I'm doing a personal project.Which is to draw it's inspiration from the book Guard's Guard's. Not render direct copies of each character in the book. I personally only need the initial figures to build a warband.
You chaps liked the figures So Chris is casting them as a fantasy kickstarter.
So I think I'll close down my input on this thread.In order to separate both projects.
My progress/ personal project will transfer over to my Fantasy thread.( might motivate me to get the castle finished)
Any sculpting that I do for me will end up their or my workbench thread.
That way I can enjoy the concept .With out worrying that this becomes seen as nothing more than a Not a Disc world range.
Which isn't at all what it's intended to be.
I'm not disgruntled in any way by anyone's comments I've enjoyed them . It just makes sense to separate the topic and take it back to it's hobby origins.
(I'll still need Frostgrave advice ,character suggestions. Just with out the assumption that if it's sculpted it'll be a commercial thing.)
All the best.
Mark.
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Sorry Mark,
Looks like it's me that's hijacked your thread so I'll start a new one for the Kickstarter / Fantasy range.
Not having a wobble, just Jon asked me what colors to paint them and I realized that I didn't have a clue what was inspired by what so was looking for some help from those that new to give me some ideas for names, colors and if some figures went better with others to make two warbands. I was thinking that most likely reply would come direct from you with some ideas, but if Jon's already talked to you, that's great. Perhaps it's best to wait until I get the painted miniatures in front of me, and then with no Discworld bias as I don't think I've read any for 30 years or so, wait to see what names and back stories pop into my head!
Fully understand that they are not 'not discworld miniatures', just beautiful miniatures that I'm looking forward to playing some Frostgrave with.