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Title: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Diablo Jon on March 10, 2021, 06:22:02 AM
I was comparing some miniatures I recently painted with some I painted about a decade ago, the other day, and came to the realization that my miniature painting skills don't really seem to have improved in the last ten years.

I don't think I'm a bad painter, I can certainly knock out a decent table top paint job, but it seems I just can't seem to take my paint jobs to that next level.

I've experimented with new techniques, different undercoats, different paints followed more than a few online tutorials and yet my paint jobs hasn't visibly improved in recent years. It feels like I hit my skill ceiling in my mid 30s about a decade ago.

Do you guys feel like your miniature painting is still improving or have you plateaued (or even gone backwards)?

Here's my blog if your interested in what my painting looks like

https://jonsotherwargamesblog.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Blackwolf on March 10, 2021, 06:52:02 AM
Good post Jon! Yep,my painting modelling etc has ups and downs. It has improved,though it’s taken 43 years,I reached a high point when I was about 17,and I’ve been trying to catch up ever since. These days I try and paint for fun,rather than painting armies. Whilst painting large scale figures I’ve always got a couple of Asgard orcs or something on the go,keeps it interesting. And books,I like reading books by the masters,Mike Blank for instance,brilliant inspiration,and I discovered someone else who paints like me lol.
So stick to it(your painting looks good),the key I think is don’t make it a chore :)
Cheero
Guy
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Storm Wolf on March 10, 2021, 07:21:21 AM
Plateaued and at the upper end of a downward slope lol

But I am happy with my paint style now, if its ok from 3 ft away, its ok.

I am 51 and have been painting models since the late 70s, early 80s mostly Airfix kits then, very badly.

But I am impressed with the GW contrast paints and they have finally allowed me to paint almost exclusively with my own inks method developed over years of trial and many errors lol

More bristles on your brush

Glen
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Spinal Tap on March 10, 2021, 07:46:31 AM
I've only been painting for around 3 years and have no artistic predisposition whatsoever; if YouTube didn't exist I world have no clue still.

My rate of improvement was meteoric initially but has slowed tremendously this past 6 months.

I have designs on improving but have resigned myself to never getting to the levels of the truly artistic painters that I see on here.

It's about trying new things in my opinion and having a Bob Ross attitude to things that go wrong.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: voltan on March 10, 2021, 10:09:58 AM
yes, not because I don't think I can't do better if I put more effort in, but because I've reached a level I'm comfortable with, where the time/irritation to acceptable look of the minis equation has reached my perfect balance.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Plynkes on March 10, 2021, 10:27:03 AM
I wish! Currently struggling to get back to where I was two years ago after a medical catastrophe robbed me of the ability to paint. I really felt like I was getting somewhere and would have been quite happy to plateau at that level (hubris got me there, I guess). Still, it gives me something to aim for and lack of inspiration or 'mojo' is no longer a problem. I never get that 'just don't want to do the hobby today' feeling any more.  :)









Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 10, 2021, 10:31:51 AM
Mine's not plateaued...
it's got worse.

 :'(
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Yuber Okami on March 10, 2021, 10:32:46 AM
Gone backwards in my case. Too many stuff to worry about I guess
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Digits on March 10, 2021, 10:36:37 AM
For me, my eyesight is poorer and I struggle with detail so can’t really attempt anything below 28mm with any real hope of success.

However, since lockdown and having been badly affected by Covid last April, what has improved is my ability to tackle batch painting....something I always struggled with before, and I had a blast painting regiments of Napoleonics (which I must get back to).

Moving away from GW paints, something I’ve used exclusively for years, and dabbling with more Matt colours of Vallejo, I have discovered more about mixing colours and feel I have made a few improvements.

I think the main thing is to try different genres, game systems etc....especially as different figures to your norm require you to learn new skills anyway.  Don’t be afraid to look up tutorials on the web...a great source of inspiration.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: zemjw on March 10, 2021, 11:18:34 AM
I'm with @voltan regarding time/look acceptance.

I find that glazing and drybrushing are the main techniques I use, and I'm relatively happy with where I am with them. However, I do want to explore contrast paints more.

Painting for fun, relaxation and general mental sanity is what I'm after these days :D
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Bearwoodman on March 10, 2021, 11:25:17 AM
Sorry to be an annoying voice of enthusiasm and positivity  ;) but I am a relatively recent returnee to the hobby and I feel like I am still improving as a painter (obviously starting from a low base helps!). The equipment now is better than my teenage years but the main difference is all the tips and resources available online.

Some examples:

I am still learning how to get the most out of contrast paints in relation to rank and file figures, and I expect my quality (and speed) to improve the more I use them. 

In addition I have started to experiment with Non Metallic Metal effects on character figures that I want to devote more time too. Again there is a lot to learn but I am confident I will improve.

I have also bought some pigments for weathering vehicles and I can see there is a knack to using them but my confidence is growing.

I made my first wet palette last year and that helped give my painting a boost, I think mainly by helping to keep the paint diluted.

I found a more satisfactory way of dealing with eyes on 28mm scale figures. I now have fewer bug-eyed  or cross-eyed recruits!

There are other techniques to master that I have not even tried yet - Origin Source Lighting for example, or the use of mediums rather than diluting paint with water (which my mate swears by).

I imagine like all skills the better you get at painting  the harder it is to squeeze out further improvements, and at some point perhaps the time and effort it takes is not worth the marginal difference in quality. But at the moment for me I still feel that getting a bit better is a realistic and desirable objective.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: v_lazy_dragon on March 10, 2021, 11:42:40 AM
yes, not because I don't think I can't do better if I put more effort in, but because I've reached a level I'm comfortable with, where the time/irritation to acceptable look of the minis equation has reached my perfect balance.

This. I made a conscious decision about 5-10 years ago not to paint to my absolute best, but to paint to a level where I was comfortable with the end result, it took minimal effort and was relatively quick
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: FierceKitty on March 10, 2021, 12:17:53 PM
Brushwork will climb no higher, I fear, but perhaps better judgment in selecting colours and shades. At 61, I ask no more.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Ranthony on March 10, 2021, 01:27:58 PM
I have been painting for maybe 14 months, my first effort( 15mm French voltiguer) was an absolute disaster.
Since then, I have studied the works of many painters, paying particular attention to Kevin Dallimore, Charles Baynon and Steve Dean.

I feel that my progress is always on the up but do understand what you mean about stagnation.

I can paint very well if I allow myself the time but my hopping from one period to the other perhaps slows me down.
My standard is always improving, I think I can paint FAR better than I do, I just struggle with the will to paint every button as I feel the time/reward aspect has a point where interest can be lost.

Being relatively new to the hobby, I feel swamped by wanting to paint so many things and having so little time to do it.

Perhaps there is a balance, I'm beginning to foster the idea that concentrating on one period and not setting targets is the right way to go.

If I had it my way, I'd have 8 arms, 8 cans of red bull and 8 hours a day free, I don't, so whatever war film I've recently watched seems to determine where I paint next.

I hope to find a way forward.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: v_lazy_dragon on March 10, 2021, 04:13:32 PM
so whatever war film I've recently watched seems to determine where I paint next.
As someone who has traditionally* been a massive butterfly, I usually found the best way was to keep on track with a project was a constant drip stream of inspiration related material - audiobooks, video games and movies. Obviously, this can be somewhat limiting, and partners/housemates may not appreciate the constant stream of WW2/ACW/Roman/Vietnam/Whatever. Mix it up with stuff that doesn't have much playability lol (If you're a weirdo like me who seems to pick out the most niche of subjects, there can be very little fodder for tis approach)


*I have some how miraculously spent the last 2 years or so jumping around the period 1550-1700 which is remarkably constrained by my standards
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Elbows on March 10, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
I'd say I've plateaued, and I'm okay with that.  I'm happy with my painted results - and my goals are often not to learn new technical skills, but to find ways to cheat to get to that end result faster/easier, etc.

I'm always more interested in getting stuff done to a "good" standard and on the table.  Dips, washes, grass-tufts, colour primers, etc...anything that gets me there faster and easier is the goal. 
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Bravo Six on March 10, 2021, 08:37:12 PM
Quote
.... but to paint to a level where I was comfortable with the end result,

Yes Xander, agreed.

Once upon a time I aspired to paint like Prof, Captain Blood, Pynkes, etc. But I soon discovered my style was different and that bar was WAAAAY too high, so I learned to live with it. I consider my painting skill level "good 'nuff". If I'm ok with it, then sod everyone else.  ;)

Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: FramFramson on March 10, 2021, 10:58:16 PM
I'm more concerned about the degradation of ability that comes as my eyes get older and my hands becomes even shakier (I have never had steady hands). The medium is self-restricting in the regard that we are dealing with a very small areas and amounts of paint. Fine control is essential, even if you're able to fudge nicely with inks and washes and such.

Been a while since I've painted so I'm sure I'll be rusty when I take up a brush again, but we'll have to see how deeply pitted the old iron is, you know?

Also, my skill always varied even within a single miniature - most effort is spent on the face and chest, which is where a viewer's attention focuses, while other parts of a mini may be simpler or less tight in their application.

Like FierceKitty I also hope my judgment about colours and shades improves... someday. Lord knows the number of times I ended up overpainting a section of a mini which turned out too bright, too dull, had too much contrast or not enough!

Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: tin shed gamer on March 11, 2021, 12:25:21 AM
It's something I've been musing over myself.
I was painting very very well back in my early Twenties. My stuff turned up in GW pictures and Foundry adds ( late Romans along with Jim Bowens painting.Is one I can think of off the top of my head.) And getting paid quite well I use to amuse myself by paint in the eye colours on 20mm figures.
I even spent a short time at GW.Before joining up.I gave away nearly everything After Bosnia.
I retrained as a CNB nurse . To destress I took up painting again. It didn't take long to be painting just as well if not better than I had before.But I hadn't the same level of passion Once I'd finished something I tended to give it away.
I started converting figures more or less at the same time as I started painting them. Eventually sculpting figures fulltime( I found its a lot less stabby than nursing.)
Now I honestly don't know if I enjoy the painting that much  it's become a necessary evil . To achive something useful.
Every thing is refined down to minimum effort- maximum effect . Rather than the journey from lead to painted and based as it use to be.
I don't know if its because I'm older and my lifestyle is hectic.So I begrudge the time taken up by painting.As I can achive more in the same time sculpting and building something. Or I simply no longer like to paint . But detest the Idea of gaming with unpainted lead. If I had the spare cash I'd quite happily paid to have my toys painted for me. ( I even got some prepainted scenery for Christmas.)
or If I'm just becoming more miserable then older I get. ::)

Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Digits on March 11, 2021, 12:52:25 AM
Ha!  I’m with you there fella!

Painting IS the necessary evil!  I hate it!  But just like you, I could not stand to play with bare plastic / lead.

I have to psyche myself up in order to start painting minis......to the extent figures can sit in front of me for months sometimes before I get up enough reserve to put a brush to them.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Dentatus on March 11, 2021, 01:35:43 AM
Another vote for 'plateaued'.

Maybe a little better at color selection now. Some highlighting and basing tricks for decent tabletop pjs. Occasionally, I seem to hit a good note with some figs more than others. (and some turn out sub-par)

Judging by some of the astonishing brushwork these days, I don't have it in me to invest in an airbrush or learn/master new techniques. I'll never be a competition or display-level painter. Which is fine because my minis see plenty of action on the tabletop. 
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Codsticker on March 11, 2021, 03:52:27 AM
It goes up and down  :D. When I am painting mass rank and file troops (ECW, LoTR , etc) then it goes down;  skirmish minis (Black Stone Fortress ), it goes up. lol
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Blackwolf on March 11, 2021, 06:54:42 AM
Interesting that a few of us treat painting as a chore, to some extent not very enjoyable . I find the gaming is secondary,an abstraction. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: bluewillow on March 11, 2021, 07:25:56 AM
My biggest change was the use of a wet pallet and extender medium.
I think mine has improved since I slowed down and spent time on the figures rather than trying to just finish a army.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Spinal Tap on March 11, 2021, 07:49:24 AM
Some of the replies to this thread have raised a question or two in my mind.

I'm coming up 55, started in the hobby 3 years ago and have the usual age related sight issues and dithery hands.

Am I foolish looking at (to name one of my favourites) Deano's work as an aspiration?

Do I need to lower my bar a few (a lot?) of notches?

Can someone lacking innate artistic skills ever achieve anything close to his level just by practice, practice, practice?

Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Cubs on March 11, 2021, 08:45:51 AM

Like many, my eyesight is deteriorating as time ravages my previously youthful form, despite the use of close-up glasses to try to prop up my seeing organs. I appear to have adopted an 'impressionist' approach (ie. it's okay from a distance but up close it looks shite) so whenever I take a close-up photo of a model I notice it looks messier on the screen than it did in my hands.

On the plus side, I now approach painting with the attitude that there is no fancy effect without a teachable (or rather, learnable) technique attached, so I don't fear having a go at trying to represent new visual trickery. NMM, OSL and sheer materials are all things I've picked up (with varying degrees of success) over the last decade or so.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Blackwolf on March 11, 2021, 08:46:01 AM
Definitely no!  I think you should actually raise the bar,if you enjoy painting why not try to be a better painter.

Edit; in reference to Spinal Tap’s post,Cubs was too quick.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Plynkes on March 11, 2021, 09:43:43 AM
I agree with Blackwolf, Spinal Tap. You aren't being foolish. Aim high. Even if you don't reach those dizzy heights, chances are you will improve. I'm a firm believer in that. For me that's what LAF is all about. You have to think 'I'm gonna paint like that guy one day' rather than 'oh Jesus, why do I even fucking bother?' (A common and understandable reaction I have experienced here myself, many times)  :)


Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Daeothar on March 11, 2021, 09:47:33 AM
Been painting since the early eighties. Mostly scale model kits, until I found an RTB01 box one day, and that's what got me into miniatures. But only with the advent of Hero Quest and Space Crusade a year or so later, was I properly introduced to miniature painting. In fact, I didn't believe that the minis on the sides of those game boxes were actually painted; I thought they must have been photoshopped (avant la lettre), since nobody could paint that detailed! Well, not with Revell and Humbrol enamels, no.

Because those were the paints I had been using for all my painting up till then. In fact, I resisted crossing over to acrylics for several years (my RTB01 and MB games minis were all painted with enamels :D ), but eventually I caved.

And I was amazed at the enormous advances my painting showed once I got used to the new medium.

The next step was getting acquainted with other painters on online forums, and influenced by them, I went and bought my first good Winsor & Newton brush at the local art store. And again, I surprised myself with the huge improvement these made in my painting. I had been using the GW standard brushes that came with the paint sets I had bought before and cheap ones I had left over from my model kit years.

And it's the next period that really saw my painting skyrocket. I got better and better and in 2006, I flew over to the UK for Games Day. I entered the Golden Daemons with three entries, and became a finalist with all three! And even though these were my best work at the time, they were also 'just' gaming miniatures, intended to be used on the tabletop. I planned to return the next year, with purpose-painted minis (to be serious contenders), but then I met my later-to-be wife, and money set aside for GD 2007 became money set aside for a vacation together, and I have not participated again.

This was the time when I was able to paint Latin litanies on the rims of space marine shoulder pads, the time when I layered power swords with a whopping 40+ minute layers to achieve perfect colour transitions, the time I achieved somewhat mastery of non-metallic metal painting, and much more.

But my productivity was ever so slow. Painting to those standards, and I went for perfection on every mini I took the brush to, made my progress glacial. And since my ambitions to achieve painting god status had sort of been put on hold, I eventually decided to put quantity over quality, and started to paint gaming armies, since that had become the true purpose of my painting now.

The result was that I had to turn down my painting levels considerably, as painting to the best possible standard is sort of ingrained into me. So by lowering the standard, I could be satisfied with the results, even though they were not as good as the ones I achieved in the 'golden years'.

I've been doing that for about a decade now, and I can confidently say that my output volume, when compared to before, is astronomical. In fact, the bottleneck these days is time available, instead of my own abilities.

This does mean that I'm not as skilled as I used to be anymore. In fact, I know from experience that a prolonged period of not painting results in having to 'get back into it' when I pick up a brush again.
And then there are the physiological challenges. I have to face it; I'm getting older... ::)

There has been a period that my hands were constantly cramping up, to the point where I could not paint for more than 30 minutes or so. I was told it might be arthritis, but when we bought new mattresses and pillows some time later, the issue was completely gone overnight (literally in that case)! Turns out the old mattress and pillow caused circulation problems, with those hands as a result. I've not had that issue again, but it did mean my painting abilities took a bit of dive. Both because of the painful hands, and the fact I simply painted less because of them and lost some skill points because of that.

Also I've had my eyes lasered since then. I went from -6 in both eyes to 0, so finally glasses/contacts free. But the downside is a slight amount of lens flare in situations of high contrast (bad when driving at night, but also when painting minis) and a slight decrease in contrast resolution. And admitting to the inevitable decline, I now sneakily use some off the shelf reading glasses when painting, and So I can confidently say that I will probably not achieve the detail level of litanies on shoulder pad rims again.

Then there is the issue of being able to hyper-focus back then. I was diagnosed with ADD at a late age (35), and was prescribed medication for that. This did absolute wonders for my career, but also meant that I was not able to really get sucked into my painting anymore. I used to be able to sit and toil on the minutest detail for hours on end (completely forgetting about everything else around me), but that focus is now permanently gone. I've long since built down the meds and don't take them anymore now, but prolonged use actually results in changes in neural pathways that are permanent (which was the entire reason for the prescription in the first place, obviously).

So I am under no impression that I will be able to surpass the painting levels I once used to achieve. Best case, I will eventually be able to match those levels again, or come close to them.

TLDR: my painting used to be great, now it's OK...
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Ranthony on March 11, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
Been painting since the early eighties. Mostly scale model kits, until I found an RTB01 box one day, and that's what got me into miniatures. But only with the advent of Hero Quest and Space Crusade a year or so later, was I properly introduced to miniature painting. In fact, I didn't believe that the minis on the sides of those game boxes were actually painted; I thought they must have been photoshopped (avant la lettre), since nobody could paint that detailed! Well, not with Revell and Humbrol enamels, no.

Because those were the paints I had been using for all my painting up till then. In fact, I resisted crossing over to acrylics for several years (my RTB01 and MB games minis were all painted with enamels :D ), but eventually I caved.

And I was amazed at the enormous advances my painting showed once I got used to the new medium.

The next step was getting acquainted with other painters on online forums, and influenced by them, I went and bought my first good Winsor & Newton brush at the local art store. And again, I surprised myself with the huge improvement these made in my painting. I had been using the GW standard brushes that came with the paint sets I had bought before and cheap ones I had left over from my model kit years.

And it's the next period that really saw my painting skyrocket. I got better and better and in 2006, I flew over to the UK for Games Day. I entered the Golden Daemons with three entries, and became a finalist with all three! And even though these were my best work at the time, they were also 'just' gaming miniatures, intended to be used on the tabletop. I planned to return the next year, with purpose-painted minis (to be serious contenders), but then I met my later-to-be wife, and money set aside for GD 2007 became money set aside for a vacation together, and I have not participated again.

This was the time when I was able to paint Latin litanies on the rims of space marine shoulder pads, the time when I layered power swords with a whopping 40+ minute layers to achieve perfect colour transitions, the time I achieved somewhat mastery of non-metallic metal painting, and much more.

But my productivity was ever so slow. Painting to those standards, and I went for perfection on every mini I took the brush to, made my progress glacial. And since my ambitions to achieve painting god status had sort of been put on hold, I eventually decided to put quantity over quality, and started to paint gaming armies, since that had become the true purpose of my painting now.

The result was that I had to turn down my painting levels considerably, as painting to the best possible standard is sort of ingrained into me. So by lowering the standard, I could be satisfied with the results, even though they were not as good as the ones I achieved in the 'golden years'.

I've been doing that for about a decade now, and I can confidently say that my output volume, when compared to before, is astronomical. In fact, the bottleneck these days is time available, instead of my own abilities.

This does mean that I'm not as skilled as I used to be anymore. In fact, I know from experience that a prolonged period of not painting results in having to 'get back into it' when I pick up a brush again.
And then there are the physiological challenges. I have to face it; I'm getting older... ::)

There has been a period that my hands were constantly cramping up, to the point where I could not paint for more than 30 minutes or so. I was told it might be arthritis, but when we bought new mattresses and pillows some time later, the issue was completely gone overnight (literally in that case)! Turns out the old mattress and pillow caused circulation problems, with those hands as a result. I've not had that issue again, but it did mean my painting abilities took a bit of dive. Both because of the painful hands, and the fact I simply painted less because of them and lost some skill points because of that.

Also I've had my eyes lasered since then. I went from -6 in both eyes to 0, so finally glasses/contacts free. But the downside is a slight amount of lens flare in situations of high contrast (bad when driving at night, but also when painting minis) and a slight decrease in contrast resolution. And admitting to the inevitable decline, I now sneakily use some off the shelf reading glasses when painting, and So I can confidently say that I will probably not achieve the detail level of litanies on shoulder pad rims again.

Then there is the issue of being able to hyper-focus back then. I was diagnosed with ADD at a late age (35), and was prescribed medication for that. This did absolute wonders for my career, but also meant that I was not able to really get sucked into my painting anymore. I used to be able to sit and toil on the minutest detail for hours on end (completely forgetting about everything else around me), but that focus is now permanently gone. I've long since built down the meds and don't take them anymore now, but prolonged use actually results in changes in neural pathways that are permanent (which was the entire reason for the prescription in the first place, obviously).

So I am under no impression that I will be able to surpass the painting levels I once used to achieve. Best case, I will eventually be able to match those levels again, or come close to them.

TLDR: my painting used to be great, now it's OK...

Aside from being an interesting read, you write very well.
Perhaps you might consider submitting an article to one of the mags re : your painting experiences, you would hold attention.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Daeothar on March 11, 2021, 11:00:18 AM
Aside from being an interesting read, you write very well.
Perhaps you might consider submitting an article to one of the mags re : your painting experiences, you would hold attention.

Cheers, always nice to hear people enjoy my ramblings :)

And I'd love to, but don't really know the channels...
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Ranthony on March 11, 2021, 11:49:21 AM
https://www.wargamesillustrated.net/contributions/

https://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/wss-submissions/

Go on, and let us know when it's published lol
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: stone-cold-lead on March 11, 2021, 11:56:34 AM
I think I've been pretty much plateaued for a good few years. Looking back on older paint jobs I'd say there are some things that I do a bit better now but there are also some things that are not quite so highly polished. In part that comes from the necessity of all the commission painting I do. I used to have an overly laborious way of painting that whilst it gave a really good finish it wasn't practical when painting against the clock so I had to learn how to speed things up. Also, the commission painting is one reason why I haven't really learned much new and still haven't gotten to grips with all sorts of common advanced techniques. I also suspect my eyes aren't quite as sharp as they were.

On the point of trying to be better and improve all the time I don't think people should feel they have to. If you're happy enough with your ability and can accept your limitations, as long as you enjoy what you're doing then why put yourself under pressure for something that may just be a relaxing hobby, something to enjoy. When I paint for myself I could potentially try and improve to a point where I can create a Golden Demon winner but I just want to enjoy a bit of painting as I wind down at night and hopefully not take 40 hours to paint a space marine.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Bearwoodman on March 11, 2021, 12:09:38 PM
https://www.wargamesillustrated.net/contributions/

https://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/wss-submissions/

Go on, and let us know when it's published lol

And add photos of your Golden Demon finalists (and those enamel painted RTB01s) if possible!
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Aerendar Valandil on March 11, 2021, 12:53:05 PM
With me it seems to get up and down. Ik started paining hinchliffe naps in the early eigties, and they were euphemistically not very good. I concentrated too much on readying the troops for gaming. I decided never to do that again, and a few years later I restarted with some fantasy models that are, I must say, quite impressive. Another few years later I started paining warhammer models, although not with the intention (yet) to build an army. I'm still okay with them, but I do made some progress, somewhat later it was less - too little time, too little concentration - and the last few years I heve become better again. The real addition is the criticism of my girlfriend who is well acquanted with artistic coloring and helps me avoiding quick fixes. Good production, good results. I'm 51 and not on the way down yets, seemingly (at least not in this regard).
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: voltan on March 11, 2021, 01:15:18 PM
Also, my skill always varied even within a single miniature - most effort is spent on the face and chest, which is where a viewer's attention focuses, while other parts of a mini may be simpler or less tight in their application.

That's a very good point, I find myself putting more effort into the flesh of a figure for the same reasons. I think also because it is the first place you look it means you can get away with being a bit sloppier on the rest.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Vis Bellica on March 11, 2021, 03:28:16 PM
I paint to get figures on to the table for gaming, but like them to look nice when they do. I'm happy that I've hit the balance of my need for a great paint job with my desire to produce units at an acceptable pace: so yes, I could paint better, but that would take longer; or I could paint worse, but then I wouldn't be happy with the end result.

I therefore improve my painting by using things that improve the look of a figure but don't take more time. GW Contrast Paints, for example, have allowed me to "shade" my figures without painting each one three times (base, highlight, super highlight): I now paint it once with Contrast and it's done to just about the same standard as a three coat job (I only paint 15's btw). Massive time saver and looks good. Using Contrast paints has also made me bolder with mixing colours and using thinners: a limited range means you need to mix to get exactly the colour you want.

I've also invested in a daylight lamp for my painting table. Easier on the eyes and the colours come out better.

Finally, I'm being bolder with my basing: mixing flocks, buying different sorts of tufts etc. A minor change, but makes a difference.

So, no, I haven't plateaued, am improving through technology rather than effort, and am happy with where I am!
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: caveadsum1471 on March 11, 2021, 04:59:03 PM
I don't think I've plateaued. Like a number of other posters here, what I want to achieve has changed,  I've been painting on and off since the 1970s, did model making at art college and professionally for a while. I guess now I want to paint to wind down after a stressful day at work, or to while away the hours in a hotel room away from home, I certainly don't hate it,I enjoy it,sure it would be nice if it happened faster but that's life! I suppose I paint within myself and don't spend too long on figures, accepting a lower quality of finish but enabling me to actually finish armies within years rather than decades. Changing from a GW army painter ( which tool so long I  never finished an army as just as I was reaching the last few units, they'd change the codex!) to an historical army painter gave me the impetus to speed up as there were so many more figures to paint. I'm more than happy with the finish I  get now and I keep on trying to speed up without dropping my standard further which contrasts with how long I used to spend on each 40k figure!
Best Iain
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: pauld on March 11, 2021, 05:39:32 PM
I'm getting there

(https://i.imgur.com/Ai8LDij.jpg)

But to be serious - I still see new techniques and tips which I assimilate so not quite yet.  Forums such as LAF are a great incentive to improve and enthuse.

Recently better prescription glasses rather than painting by touch have helped and Sakura 0.05 pigment pens are a revelation.  Terrific for eyes and black lining.

I have also realised it's quite OK to be an OK painter.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Hammers on March 11, 2021, 07:28:10 PM
Well, failing eyesight is not helping. In my case it is just the normal worsening which comes with age, and over the counter +1,5s amends mot problems. But I think my results are not as good asthey used to be.

On the other hand I have come to realize I do not care as much any longer to strive for perfection. I have mellowed with age and I am fairly content with the level I am at now. :)
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Donpimpom on March 11, 2021, 07:35:33 PM
Well, failing eyesight is not helping. In my case it is just the normal worsening which comes with age, and over the counter +1,5s amends mot problems. But I think my results are not as good asthey used to be.

On the other hand I have come to realize I do not care as much any longer to strive for perfection. I have mellowed with age and I am fairly content with the level I am at now. :)

exactly same case here.
The lose of eyesight I had in the last 10 years made me obvious in maybe 15 years I will have to stop painting, so I start prioritizing the painting list by the models I like the most over play purposes
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Mindenbrush on March 11, 2021, 09:57:01 PM
Not really, I have improved a little and that is through looking at other people's work and trying to figure out how they achieved a certain effect.
I retired December 2018 and painted solidly until the end of November 2019 when I was offered a mutually beneficial job south of the border which unfortunately was cut short by Covid.
Back in the basement, I picked up where I had left off, I am currently painting some Essex 15mm SYW Austrian Hussars, I had forgotten how small Essex figures are but they are still getting the 4 or 5 layers of paint that I use on my 28's.
Biggest plus is that I am enjoying my painting.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: syrinx0 on March 15, 2021, 01:36:13 AM
Plateaued at best I suppose.  30 years ago when I started painting figures again, I was going for speed & block painting but I actually painted the eyes on my army units.  I can't conceive of painting eyes on mass units at this point. I may have a few more techniques available but my control (and eyesight) is nowhere near as good as back then.  Plus I have had a few multi year layoffs from painting which always set me back.  I have been unemployed for awhile now and was fairly productive in 2020 but have not painted anything this year.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on March 15, 2021, 10:11:19 AM
Rather than plateaued it is going backwards. It is like I am unlearning and becoming less and less skilled.

Well, at least I am actually painting, which is an improvement.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Major_Gilbear on March 17, 2021, 11:46:31 AM
Hmm, it's funny; I've been painting for about 30 years now, and I still see regular improvement... But my productivity has dropped off a cliff!  :?

I started out painting 6mm Epic minis for a friend (I didn't really know what they were back then), and then gradually got more interested in wargames and miniatures until I decided to buy some for myself to paint and play some games with. It was a short downward spiral from there into having two large (and fully painted!) armies by my early-mid teens, and I learned a lot about painting as I went. Not much in the way of tutorials or instruction back then either (I don't count the four-step "tutorials" that sometimes turned up in mags, because the jump between step #3 and step #4 was so obviously huge that following steps #1-3 clearly wasn't going to lead to #4 any time soon...). I therefore learned by generally making a mess of things and gradually refining through trial and error how to do better.

The biggest jump in the quality of my paintjobs has been in the last ~10 years though, especially since the advent of good quality video tutorials available online for free. I'm very much what you might call a "visual learner", and am able to replicate quite well things that I watch being done, so seeing properly how more talented painters work was of enormous help to me.

Unfortunately, as each miniature is a chance to do better than last time, the amount of time it takes me to finish projects just gets longer.

I have recently therefore been trying to learn a new set of related painting skills, which is how to cut corners and speed things up, without sacrificing too much of the final result. This has been most interesting, in its own way, as I discovered a lot of things that were never very obvious to me before. I moved to batch painting, and realised that anything more than about 20 smallish separate items (either 20 1-part figs, or 10 2-part figs, etc) is just totally beyond me. I also found that painting 5-10 models didn't take too much longer than painting 1 or 2. And that if I split a squad into two, and do one half and then the other, it takes much more mental will and time to finish them all than just doing them all at once.

I'm still trying to learn and improve, whilst at the same time trying to speed up my output. I'm getting there bit by bit, and I have realised something new; the satisfaction of a nicely-painted and finished squad of models far outweighs any small niggles I might have about areas of the paintjob that could be better. I therefore remind myself of that whilst I paint, and try avoid letting my perfectionism get in the way of finishing the bloody things!  lol
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Mr. White on March 17, 2021, 02:43:03 PM
My skill and technique has definitely plateaued. After 30+ years of painting minis you'd think I'd be close to Golden Deamon level. Not even close. I do, however, have my technique down cold so can crank through minis faster than I ever have before. That's more important to me at the moment, so I'm good with where I am.
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: sundayhero on March 17, 2021, 04:43:03 PM
same thing here. I significantly improved my skills a decade ago, but now I paint with the same level I had then.

But I'm happy with this, I like the way I paint  lol
Title: Re: Do you feel your painting skill has plateaued?
Post by: Gibby on March 17, 2021, 10:24:01 PM
A couple of years ago I realised that I was either a good painter who barely ever got anything done, or an OK painter who could get forces painted to a reasonable standard ready for gaming. When I try to do my best painting, I tend to find motivation dissipates very quickly - sometimes before I've even finished the first few minis for a project. I personally find it quite demotivating to spend many hours on one or two minis only to look and see a load more ready for their turn.

This is all probably because, the truth is, I'm not in this for the painting. The painting is a means to an end for me. I much prefer the playing of games, the telling of stories, and that sort of thing. I have painted some figures I'm really quite proud of. Some of them are on my bookshelf to remind me I can paint quite well. That's where I plateaued, and now I've sort of regressed in terms of overall quality. BUT, I am actually getting forces painted and projects off the ground!

Whilst I am a fan of small skirmish games, most of which would be a reasonable cure to my motivation issues when painting to my best standard, I am more of a fan of large skirmish games up to bigger battles. I tend to find that eventually many small scale skirmish games tend to feel very samey and bland, with historical ones particularly suffering from a lack of period feel. Even forces for "large skirmish" such as most Too Fat Lardies games (among my favourites) are too many figures for me to overcome my motivation/momentum problems. Tabletop standard is where I've had to stay, and I'm quite happy there.

I have to say though, I really REALLY admire the skilled painters here who not only achieve fantastic results, but seem to do so for larger forces at a pace I still can't match with my tabletop standard! I think the difference between myself and those painters (other than their overally superior talent) is that they love painting, whereas I don't LOVE painting. I like it, and that's about it.

Not sure how on topic I stayed here. Ultimately, I know my painting skill plateaued, and then regressed, and that's ok!