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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Tim Haslam on March 18, 2021, 09:43:59 AM
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I’m in the dark a little as to the ‘look’ of these armies.
I know they’ve got a heavy Mongol look perhaps?
Cavalry is abundant, as are possibly elephants!
Where would I start collecting in 28mm for these armies?
Some of the Arab plastics perhaps?
Timurid figures?
Any tips please?
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What dates are you thinking of Tim?
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The list I’m looking at is from WAB V2
Which covers quite a broad time, roughly 12th to 14th century?
It’s just a painting project I’m mulling over.
I may stick with what I know and go Numidian yet!!!
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The Hindu list covers a much larger period, 450-1500
So maybe figures for that?
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The list I’m looking at is from WAB V2
Which covers quite a broad time, roughly 12th to 14th century?
It’s just a painting project I’m mulling over.
I may stick with what I know and go Numidian yet!!!
Well, at the back end of the 14th CE you do have the Timurids who would certainly make for a very interesting army. I don't really know very much about Muslim Indian armies earlier then that. It's just the way things panned out as I games over the years. Like everyone else I just followed my interests and the Muslim Indian armies never really entered the equation.
I'm sure there will be someone on the forum who has a wealth of info on the subject so don't give up!
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I’m not aware of anyone who produces specific figures for “Medieval India”. Gripping Beast produce a “Timurid” range but I guess by “Muslim Indian” you really mean the Delhi Sultanate.
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Hi Tim,
As for look, this is quite an old page, but gives an idea (ok in 15mm, but still)
http://lukeuedasarson.com/LMI.html
It seems that the Dehli Sultinate would have had a large Persian influence, certainly for its mounted elites.
As for figures, I know Essex minis do some 28mm Persian figures. Otherwise, I think you might need to do some kit-bashing at least for the mounted. The GB plastic Arab heavy Cavalry on top of some of the Catafract or Gothic heavy cavalry barded horses. Other than that. The Arab infantry would be a good starting point, but you might also want to look into kitbashing those with some more different troops, such as Arab foot with Zulu bodies etc.
LS
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Many thanks.
Kit bashing eh!
I do have an old WRG book, “Medieval Armies V2” which has some references.
Actual Indian figures are hard to find?
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I've got a couple of 10mm 16th century armies; had to convert a heck of a lot, no denying it.
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Some of the Timurid range from GB would work.
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Indus Miniatures (link (http://indusminiatures.mybigcommerce.com/categories/WAR-IN-INDIA-%252d-28mm/)) has some that may be appropriate. They have Hindu Militia:
(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/a1f1b/products/35/images/123/archer2__54155.1309544575.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
The militia also come with swords and shields.
Some swordsmen that could easily be Muslim:
(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/a1f1b/products/62/images/160/Picture_007_2__20968.1341962826.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
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Cool, thanks.
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The Miniature company do some Indian Figures, I know nothing of this period so don’t know if they are What you are looking for
http://www.theminiaturecompany.co.uk/28mm-Ranges/Indian/indian.html
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Hi to you
I really advise you to look at the list "Medieval Indians" of DBM or DBMM, as a general rule these are excellent lists, very elaborate.
The Indian armies, whether Muslim or Hindu, have many Indian archers, as well as Indian swordsmen, and javelins, often skirmishers ...
The difference is mainly made at the level of the cavalry: abundant in the North of the country (among Muslims therefore) and less present in the South where the climate is not favorable to horses, which are then replaced by elephants ...
The medieval Muslim armies in India had a lot of mercenaries: Persians, Turks, Arabs, Central Asians, do not hesitate to mix your troops, it will be perfectly realistic!
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Hi guys, just putting a little boost into this subject.
I’m after ideas for 28mm figures for Hindu or Medieval Indian armies?
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All I can find on the subject Tim is the up and coming Osprey I mentioned to you, which is in their Men at Arms series so probably not that much info but plenty of plates ??? ??? ???
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51b0hYZMr0L._SX369_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
From Amazon:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Medieval-Indian-Armies-Buddhist-Men-at-Arms/dp/1472843444/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2OJ92S1T2A7P7&keywords=medieval+indian+armies&qid=1636233605&s=books&sprefix=medieval+indian+armies%2Cstripbooks%2C66&sr=1-1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Medieval-Indian-Armies-Buddhist-Men-at-Arms/dp/1472843444/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2OJ92S1T2A7P7&keywords=medieval+indian+armies&qid=1636233605&s=books&sprefix=medieval+indian+armies%2Cstripbooks%2C66&sr=1-1)
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The old QT Miniatures range did some medieval(?) Indians in their multipart figures. Not sure of their intended period but the cavalryman's head below looks suitable armoured for medieval.
(https://wargamesdesignworkshop.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/QT-I02-300x300.jpg)
Now sold by Wargames Design Workshop (https://wargamesdesignworkshop.co.uk/)
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The old QT Miniatures range did some medieval(?) Indians in their multipart figures. Not sure of their intended period but the cavalryman's head below looks suitable armoured for medieval.
(https://wargamesdesignworkshop.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/QT-I02-300x300.jpg)
Now sold by Wargames Design Workshop (https://wargamesdesignworkshop.co.uk/)
That looks quite late, maybe 14-15th Century? - I got the impression fro talking to Tim on Facebook that he was looking for Early Medieval(?)
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As mentioned previously, Gripping Beast has a range of 28mm Timurids:
https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/The_Timurids--category--118.html (https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/The_Timurids--category--118.html)
Indus Miniatures has a War in India range that, although designed for a later period, might also prove useful:
https://indusminiatures.mybigcommerce.com/categories/WAR-IN-INDIA-%252d-28mm/ (https://indusminiatures.mybigcommerce.com/categories/WAR-IN-INDIA-%252d-28mm/)
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That looks quite late, maybe 14-15th Century? - I got the impression fro talking to Tim on Facebook that he was looking for Early Medieval(?)
I would guess at earlier but only because from 1400 most Indian cavalry look very Persian influenced to me, which seemed to last through to the 18th C.
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I would guess at earlier but only because from 1400 most Indian cavalry look very Persian influenced to me, which seemed to last through to the 18th C.
I really don't have a clue. It's odd, maybe not, that there's seemingly so little in the literature in English (that I'm aware of on) Early to Late Medieval Indian Armies.
I do know that Tim was thinking pre-1066.
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Yes, something more contemporary with the ‘dark ages’ as opposed to high medieval.
Only so it’s an army that’s a little bit different to your normal Viking/Saxon combos.
I’m looking at that picture of an armoured head, but just can’t even see it?? lol
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This project, whilst on the back burner is still active and could be good for take off at some point soon. Possibly new year.
I’ve taken Atheling’s advice and ordered my Osprey copy of medieval Indian armies.
Plus I’ve decided that GB Timurid elephant crew on non barded elephants is possibly correct.
I’ve found some really nice Foundry Indian troops with just a primitive turban and loin cloth. These are actually from the Indian Mutiny range!
Plus maybe GB plastic Arabs?
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This project, whilst on the back burner is still active and could be good for take off at some point soon. Possibly new year.
I’ve taken Atheling’s advice and ordered my Osprey copy of medieval Indian armies.
Plus I’ve decided that GB Timurid elephant crew on non barded elephants is possibly correct.
I’ve found some really nice Foundry Indian troops with just a primitive turban and loin cloth. These are actually from the Indian Mutiny range!
Plus maybe GB plastic Arabs?
Great to hear that this project is still alive Tim. Did the Osprey book arrive as of yet?
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Not yet matey,
This week hopefully.
I’m still adding to my early Persian army,
Then the Normans for February, THEN maybe the medieval Indians for May next year!
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An important consideration might be that Turkmen were a big part of the northern Indian story, and indeed were heavily hired by the southern states later at least to compensate for the poor equicultural potential down south, since elephants would do for prestige but hardly as tactical substitutes for horse.
The pix are of my Moghul armies, so of only distant relevance.
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Not yet matey,
This week hopefully.
I’m still adding to my early Persian army,
Then the Normans for February, THEN maybe the medieval Indians for May next year!
Fab. I'm very tempted by the Medieval Indian Armies (1) Osprey. The only thing that's putting me off is that it is from the Men at Arms series and might be quite vague. I await your opinion :)
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Atheling, unfortunately I share your scepticism as regards the Osprey offering. Trying to fit 1000 years of history ( 500 -1500 AD) into a Men-at-Arms volume is nigh on impossible. I hope I'm proved wrong.
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Atheling, unfortunately I share your scepticism as regards the Osprey offering. Trying to fit 1000 years of history ( 500 -1500 AD) into a Men-at-Arms volume is nigh on impossible. I hope I'm proved wrong.
Yep.... sadly this is usually the case. The Men at Arms series can be useful for inspiration with the brush.
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I’m thinking these guys for my rank and file, so more 14th and 15th century.
Yes, I know there from Foundry Sikh wars range! So a few hundred years out, but it’s the best I can do.
Redoubt do similar but the web page is atrocious by modern standards. They deserve a slapped bottom for that thing!
I’m going to use GB Timurid elephant crew, but on unarmoured elephants, probably from Aventine.
Also maybe GB Timurid cavalry or more from the Foundry Sikh Wars range for the lighter Hindu cavalry?
This is an army for WAB and Elephant lovers as it will have a LOT of the little cuties.
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CUTIES !!!!!