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Title: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: PeteW on March 18, 2021, 08:34:09 PM: I'm thinking of putting together a collection of the main British AFVs in the desert 1940-1941 - so the Mk6 Light tank through until the Crusader in effect. (just so I can paint the Caunter scheme really)

I'm doing this to paint as a collection rather than to game with so where I have a choice of Warlord vs Perrys / Blitzkrieg Miniatures which should I go with? There is little price difference so I guess it comes down to which are considered the better quality and will be the basis for an attractive model.

All thoughts welcome

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Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: Westfalia Chris on March 18, 2021, 08:51:10 PM: Quote from: PeteW on March 18, 2021, 08:34:09 PM
I'm thinking of putting together a collection of the main British AFVs in the desert 1940-1941 - so the Mk6 Light tank through until the Crusader in effect. (just so I can paint the Caunter scheme really)

I'm doing this to paint as a collection rather than to game with so where I have a choice of Warlord vs Perrys / Blitzkrieg Miniatures which should I go with. There is little price difference so I guess it comes down to which are considered the better quality and will be the basis for an attractive model.

All thoughts welcome

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I recently painted up two of Warlord's Light MkVI for a friend and found them rather poor kits and not really worth the money. The castings were rather shabby in some areas, especially the running rear, and the overall look and detail is nowhere near as nice as the old Chieftain models, which are my only comparison regarding this vehicle, I'm afraid.

As part of the same commission, I also built and painted two Rubicon Crusaders, and those are excellent and build into very convincing replicas from a wargamer's perspective, although I cannot vouch for their accuracy. They look very much the part, though, the fit and detail is excellent. These I would recommend strongly.
Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: PeteW on March 18, 2021, 09:54:28 PM: Quote
Rubicon Crusaders,

Cheers Chris - I'd forgotten about Rubicon, and see they offer the Crusader as you mention and a Valentine so that's a couple of extra options.

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although I cannot vouch for their accuracy. They look very much the part, though, the fit and detail is excellent
That's what I'm after really, if I really wanted accuracy I'd go 1/35th. This is more about an attractive display.

Anybody else thoughts on this - please do chip in

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Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: Will Bailie on March 18, 2021, 11:00:51 PM: I'm a fan of JTFM/Die Waffenkamer. I've got a brace of his Valentines, and I see he also has Crusader and will soon have a MkIII cruiser.
Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: Poiter50 on March 19, 2021, 12:26:38 AM: Personally I prefer Perry Miniatures for NA. When itcomes to AFVs, look at 3D printed resin vehicles. The resin printing should fix the issue of striations which plagues plastic 3D stuff. There is a greater range of gear available including some nice Armoured Cars as well as earlier British Light Tanks and trucks.
Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: PeteW on March 19, 2021, 03:13:51 PM: Quote from: Poiter50 on March 19, 2021, 12:26:38 AM
Personally I prefer Perry Miniatures for NA. When itcomes to AFVs, look at 3D printed resin vehicles. The resin printing should fix the issue of striations which plagues plastic 3D stuff. There is a greater range of gear available including some nice Armoured Cars as well as earlier British Light Tanks and trucks.

@poiter50 - where is a good place to look for these. I can easily find badly printed stuff on ebay - where does the decent resin stuff hang out ?

thanks

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Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: Poiter50 on March 19, 2021, 03:22:08 PM: I have purchased from OTP Terrain and Miniatures (local to me in Western Australia). Many of the others have started to produce in resin and many of the files from Wargaming 3D have been made suitable for resin printing. Some of the Ebay ones are pretty rough (lots of lines) but some have started to print in resin which is a great improvement. I'm also lucky to have at least 5 friends who have their own resin printers and just today I collected 2 Light Tank Mk IIb (Indian Pattern) that I plan to use in Malaya or Ethiopia based games. I think Paint and Glue Miniatures now offers resin vehicles at a slightly higher price compared to his 3D plastic versions but I believe they would be worth it for the quality improvement. Thingiverse has many files as well, I have over 300 that I have collected (will not live long enough to print them all).

Quote from: PeteW on March 19, 2021, 03:13:51 PM
@poiter50 - where is a good place to look for these. I can easily find badly printed stuff on ebay - where does the decent resin stuff hang out ?

thanks

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Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on March 19, 2021, 10:42:22 PM: Definitely Perry for figures, and Rubicon for hardware.

The Crusader is a lovely kit.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ejCDnny7tls/VvfRuxJ2vDI/AAAAAAAABVQ/403TkbUc_Hw6ZYO8QbBr3M3T3-wbvYx8A/s1600/crusaderwip33.png)

They have, as mentioned, the Valentine as well. There are also various versions of the Sherman, including early model Sherman II.

There are also the forthcoming 25 pounder, Tilly, Bofors and Bedford lorries.
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?board=4.0 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?board=4.0)

Beyond the plastic kits, there are also some useful resins (including from a familiar name on this blog).
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/1c/02/BgMNaqJM_t.jpg)
Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: carlos marighela on March 19, 2021, 11:03:02 PM: If it’s a collection rather than a gaming project, you might want to look at the 1/48 options.

The Tamiya Matilda is the by far the best option and despite being a proper plastic kit, Tamiya engineering means it goes together very easily. Makes the Warlord resin version look like a carved lump of coal. They also do both early and late model Crusaders, Dingo scout cars and later model Humbers as well as a useful range of German opposition and soft skins. To be honest they aren’t that much more difficult to build than Rubicon, particularly Rubicon’s most recent, more part dense, kits. Locally they typically retail for a bit less than either Rubicon or Warlord/Italeri kits.

Blitzkrieg also have a 1/48 range that can fill in some of the gaps if you go down the 1/48 route. There’s also Quarter Kit/ Gasoline albeit a bit more pricey.
Title: Re: Bolt Action or Perrys/Blitzkrieg Miniatures for North African hardware ?
Post by: PeteW on March 23, 2021, 09:47:36 PM: Cheers all, in the end I went with 20mm - 1/72 as that seemed to offer a good blend of quality and coverage of the vehicles I want to model.

I've the IBG A9 & A10 cruisers on order along with some AB Miniatures crew figures and so we'll see how it goes. I can always scale up if need be, but I'm otherwise eyeing the S-Model range which look like good quality kits and great value.

Watch this space.

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV
Post by: PeteW on March 29, 2021, 08:03:24 PM: Well I've got hold of the A9 & A10 from IBG and they are great little kits. From the wargaming stable in terms of construction but with a great level of detail and finess.

Progress so far on the A10.

(https://i.imgur.com/Z5UqHqB.jpg)

I'm just pondering the choice of paints for the airbrush MRP vs Vallejo/AK.

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 30, 2021, 10:06:39 AM: That looks an excellent model. Looking forward to seeing how this project progresses.
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: gamer Mac on March 30, 2021, 12:22:20 PM: IBG???
Good looking model
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Fitz on March 31, 2021, 04:55:03 AM: I bought the Vallejo ModelAir Caunter set, and have found them pretty good. I wrote a blog post about them here: http://mojobob.blogspot.com/2019/11/vallejo-caunter-set.html (http://mojobob.blogspot.com/2019/11/vallejo-caunter-set.html)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2gEKcXEiE4I/Xc3ZWbbYyJI/AAAAAAAANuY/9xWpGEu6c3kxR0ufiZ39T06uADj_hx9AACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/2019-11-15-VallejoCaunterSet-002.jpg)

This was my first use of them on a model. It's a 15mm 3d print, and not a great one at that, but the paints worked well.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gWExqUOhoV4/XuqGQHYaL6I/AAAAAAAAQ5c/X-e9K3gLQKEsTIvAerz0Wt6wIdtD0vKkgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/2020-06-18-A10CS.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: PeteW on March 31, 2021, 06:19:36 PM: Cheers all

Quote from: gamer Mac on March 30, 2021, 12:22:20 PM
IBG???
Good looking model

Yep IBG, and these kits seem great value for money

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I bought the Vallejo ModelAir Caunter set, and have found them pretty good

Thanks the Vallejo set seems to be my preferred option at the moment, just because I already use the brand

I've pretty much finished construction with just a few detail parts which I'm thinking of adding after I've sprayed the Caunter scheme just for ease of masking.

(https://i.imgur.com/Pz0Rgzf.jpg)

A few embellishments from plasticard and wire, but otherwise OOB.

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Baron von Wreckedoften on April 02, 2021, 02:04:14 PM: Something to remember when "applying" the Caunter scheme to your models. All vehicles in N Africa initially had the scheme applied in workshops, to a precise pattern. Thus, each type of vehicle, and certainly each particular type of vehicle painted in a particular workshop (which would have tended to cover all the vehicles of that type within a regiment), would have looked identical.

I agree that many of the early Warlord models are not great and there are better models out there AND at a comparable price. What are people's thoughts about the 1/56 Blitzkrieg Models, as sold by the Perrys to go with their North Africa range?
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: robh on April 02, 2021, 10:04:41 PM: That A10 is a lovely looking model.
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: PeteW on April 03, 2021, 11:54:14 AM: While I wait on my Caunter colours to arrive, I've been working on the vehicle commander from AB Figures.

(https://i.imgur.com/bgzIKlc.jpg)

When I purchased them I was a little worried about the quality as despite reading good things about the AB range, the images of the figures on the web were not very flattering, however once they arrived all concerns dropped by the wayside. They are amazing figures for the scale.

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Hu Rhu on April 03, 2021, 12:30:01 PM: Lovely work on that vehicle commander. :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: gamer Mac on April 05, 2021, 10:46:16 PM: Your flesh colour is great :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: PeteW on April 11, 2021, 02:46:27 PM: Well the Vallejo Caunter paint set arrived on Friday so I've spent all weekend spraying and masking. The A10 is not quite finished as I want to add some stowage and base, but otherwise there.

(https://i.imgur.com/QieVq3T.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9TZgBvk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6hpiDla.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kyCSHwW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3QKdccU.jpg)

1/72 IBG kit with a little bit of embellishment and an AB figures tank commander.

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Hu Rhu on April 11, 2021, 03:42:29 PM: Absolutely wonderful painting. If I hadn't seen the title I would have taken it for a 1/35th scale model. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: gamer Mac on April 11, 2021, 04:33:56 PM: Cracking job :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on April 11, 2021, 06:00:01 PM: Very nice.
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: fred on April 11, 2021, 08:43:21 PM: That has turned out splendidly! Great work.

What is the black ring hanging on the back of the turret?
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Littlearmies on April 12, 2021, 07:37:23 AM: Quote from: fred on April 11, 2021, 08:43:21 PM
That has turned out splendidly! Great work.

What is the black ring hanging on the back of the turret?
I think it's a spare "tyre" for the small wheels - I don't think it's a lifebelt (which was the first thing that sprang to mind!), given the theatre!
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: fred on April 12, 2021, 07:40:17 AM: Ta, I did wonder if it was a tyre, but it looks quite large for that - but could be for one of the bigger wheels. Can’t have helped with field maintenance having 3 or 4 different sized roller wheels as well as the rear drive sprocket.
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Eclaireur on April 12, 2021, 12:28:52 PM: Lovey work on the A10 :D
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: PeteW on April 12, 2021, 05:35:15 PM: Cheers all for the kind words. I must admit as to being pleased at how this turned out.

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Ta, I did wonder if it was a tyre, but it looks quite large for that - but could be for one of the bigger wheels.

Yep it's meant to be a spare tyre for the larger of the road wheels. I saw a video from Bovington the mentioned the larger wheels really helped with cross country performance, but as you say must have been a pain from a maintenance perspective.

The IBG A9 is up next, again in the Caunter scheme

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: fred on April 12, 2021, 07:15:47 PM: Do you have a link to the Vallejo Caunter paint set? The colours look really good, and I’ve previously done some matching, but haven’t managed to get them all to match
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: PeteW on April 12, 2021, 07:34:34 PM: Fred - I'm in the UK and got the set via Amazon, with dispatch from Italy as that seller had the earliest availability.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vallejo-Model-Air-Set-British/dp/B074HDF82S/ref=asc_df_B074HDF82S/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=266429882051&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6603571507355221579&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006791&hvtargid=pla-441236269899&psc=1

Hope this is of some help

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: PeteW on April 12, 2021, 07:35:14 PM: Quote from: PeteW on April 12, 2021, 07:34:34 PM
Fred - I'm in the UK and got the set via Amazon, with dispatch from Italy as that seller had the earliest availability. The paints arrived in less than a week so nice and speedy

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vallejo-Model-Air-Set-British/dp/B074HDF82S/ref=asc_df_B074HDF82S/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=266429882051&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6603571507355221579&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006791&hvtargid=pla-441236269899&psc=1

Hope this is of some help

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Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: fred on April 12, 2021, 07:38:56 PM: Thanks!
Title: Re: 1/72 Caunter scheme AFV update 29/03/21 A10 construction
Post by: Iain R on April 12, 2021, 10:00:00 PM: Oh that's the stuff! Beautifully realised Caunter, there. And an A9 next? This is just getting better!