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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Silent Invader on April 06, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
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Dorking 1875 is a Project Log (Plog) for my ‘Before & After Dorking’ project. The influence is Victorian Military Fiction (not Victorian Science Fiction) with Chesney’s novella to the fore. As best I can, I want the project to be historically viable, using units, uniforms and equipment from the time. One aspiration is to develop an alternative narrative for the invasion, which will develop and be played out as a series of campaign games.
FYI, completed units etc are carried over to the ‘Before & After Dorking’ blog:
https://badorking.blogspot.com/ (https://badorking.blogspot.com/)
P.1 Intro re background and terrain
P.2 Thoughts on using Home Service Helmet in 1875
P.4-5 Beginnings of more houses
P.6 Civilians
P.7-8 Bavarian Jägers
P.8-9 First game using Rebels & Patriots
P.11 35th (Royal Sussex) Regiment
P.12 Bavarian 12th Infantry Regiment
P.14 Discussion of project locations
P.14 Alternative Essex landings & brickyard research
P.15 Essex Yeomanry plus recap of other finished figures
P.17 Terrain test with all units to date
P.19 Bavarian Cuirassiers WIP
P.20 Bavarian Cuirassiers finished & armies so far
P.20 WIP Bavarian Command & Tower Hamlets Rifle Volunteers
P.21 Second game using NMTBH
P.22 Bavarian Artillery (WIP)
P.23 Bavarian Command and Artillery painted (see also p.26)
P.24 Limber WIP
P.24 AAR = The Slaughterhouse 3 (28 images) ; part 1
P.25 AAR = The Slaughterhouse 3 (17 more images) ; part 2
P.25 AAR = The Slaughterhouse 3 (1 more image) ; Epilogue
P.26 Bavarian artillery with painting errors corrected
P.27 Bavarian limber WIP
P.27 Bavarian Field Engineers Wip
P.28 Bavarian OOB
P.28 On the painting table: Bavarian limber, engineers and infantry
P.28 Thoughts on machine guns
P.28 Third attempt at getting the Bavarian artillery crew right
P.29 Introducing the blog
P.29 Feldl MG progress
P.30 Blog progress
P.30 link to discussion on Bavarian medic, supply, railway troops
P.30 Artillery, Engineer & Infantry units finished
P.31 Some history of the 5th (Plaistow) Essex RV
P.32 Bavarian Chevaleuger conversions WIP
P.32 British Lifeguards converted
I regularly say that I won’t be starting new projects and then I do ::). But this one isn’t entirely new as it will (mostly) redeploy terrain from my Gothic Horror and ECW projects. Also, for the bigger games the heavy lifting will be shared with others.
Btw, I pondered where to place this project as it’s not Victorian Science Fiction but Victorian Military Fiction (steam tanks etc aren’t my thing :o). But it’s here as here is where most of the British Home Service troops seem to hang out. ;)
So, it’s 1875 and the German Invaders have landed near Worthing, advancing north through Horsham to what could be a decisive battle near Dorking. Meanwhile there’s been a feint landing at Harwich and an attempt will be made to seize the Woolwich Arsenal. So far, so “Reminisces of a Volunteer”. 8)
This side project follows a separate landing, by a Bavarian Corps, on the north of bank of the Thames. The plan being to seize intact the London docks while taking out the Artillery ranges at Shoeburyness and the fort at Tilbury. Thus a role for my Whitechapel and rural Essex terrain.
The terrain has threads of its own, but here are a few tasters, some unpainted:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/2031-060421100339-509941399.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/2031-060421100339-509951098.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/2031-060421100339-509961466.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/2031-060421100339-509972032.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/2031-060421100339-509981375.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/2031-060421100412-509991354.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-060421100412-51000103.jpeg)
My starting forces comprise:
GERMAN
The Bavarian infantry by Eagles of Empire, plus a Krupp gun from Outpost.
BRITISH
The plastic Perry Zulu British Line Infantry in Home Service Helmets, various armed civilians for a resistance, and I’m having a go at creating Rifle Volunteers by combining/converting plastic Perry Sudan British and Nappy British, plus a 3 pounder manned by Artillery Volunteers.
There is much to do!
More to follow soon.
Rules will be Rebels and Patriots, with the starting rosters already drawn up.
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A great start. I will be watching this with much interest.
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Likewise will follow this closely.
I have Guards, Line and Scots in Slade Wallace eqt converted for Home Service and had thought to use the Perry Intervention Force Canadian Militia as Volunteers.
Stunning terrain!! :o
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Thanks folks
... had thought to use the Perry Intervention Force Canadian Militia as Volunteers.
Yes, that is a great idea.The real kicker for me though is that to some extent my East London and Essex terrain are connected to my family roots so I want to do as good a job as possible - recognising that there is very limited information - in creating specific Volunteer Units from the areas to which I have a family connection.
Thus the 7th Tower Hamlets etc
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You certainly aren't put off by a challenge, are you? I'm fascinated to see where you take this. Excellent start though.
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Interesting alternate history stuff, nice setup.
Good work on your Volunteer conversions.
Ironclad Miniatures do wonderful British infantry in home service helmets and Grenadier Guards in mighty bearskin caps for this period and some cool looking Prussian infantry.
I’d put this in the Age of Big Battalions but clearly state alternate history in the topics.
Carry on!
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Another fascinating idea for a project 8)
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Fascinating idea, will follow with great interest.
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I like it...
Have considered something similar, but set in the year 1901. Have you heard of the novel '1901' by Robert Conroy. It is an alternate history novel, but as wiki states:
The plot is based on an actual diplomatic crisis that nearly brought the United States and the German Empire into war during the early 20th century. Conroy was inspired by the publication of the actual German invasion plans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1901_(novel)
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You were very easy to persuade ;D
I’ve already got two, 24 man battalions of regular Brits and some terrain started but I’ll do my own thread towards the end of the month.
I’ll be using Perry’s BIF mainly, without any conversion work as I don’t mind some historical inaccuracies :)
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Going to follow this with interest!
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Madman.
:D
Agreed that it’s not really VSF, more alternative history. Don’t get suckered into all that steam tank nonsense ;)
lol
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Thanks all
Agreed that it’s not really VSF, more alternative history. Don’t get suckered into all that steam tank nonsense ;)
Yes, after reflection I also concur with Captain Darling.
Mods: can you please move this to Big Battalions please
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Have considered something similar, but set in the year 1901. Have you heard of the novel '1901' by Robert Conroy. It is an alternate history novel, but as wiki states:
I hadn’t heard of it but have now read the Wiki entry. In some ways the alternate history reminded me of the non sci-fi bits of The Man In The High Castle. Very interesting.
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Interesting plan. Looking forward to seeing where this goes. You can tell it doesn't belong in VSF. If it did the title would be 'Prussian Invasion 1875.' ;)
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Looks good! I will follow your project.
Best wishes.
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You know they actually planned to invade the USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_German_plans_for_the_invasion_of_the_United_States
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What a wonderful little hamlet!
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You know they actually planned to invade the USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_German_plans_for_the_invasion_of_the_United_States
Yes, that's part of what the book was based on, it's mentioned in the wiki article.
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oh sorry .. should read more carefully
But is the the novel "The Riddle of the Sands" already mentioned?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Riddle_of_the_Sands
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Interesting plan. Looking forward to seeing where this goes. You can tell it doesn't belong in VSF. If it did the title would be 'Prussian Invasion 1875.' ;)
That’s a very good point Plynkes lol
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Thanks Helen
What a wonderful little hamlet!
And thank you. In case of interest, there are many more images here:
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=116169.180 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=116169.180)
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They look great Steve. ;D
Shame as a volunteer unit they are going to get trashed by their opponents lol
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:D
Under Rebels & Patriots I’ve given them 3 points for a unit of 12
In comparison the British Regular Line get 7 points and the Bavarian Line 8 points
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:D
Under Rebels & Patriots I’ve given them 3 points for a unit of 12
In comparison the British Regular Line get 7 points and the Bavarian Line 8 points
So gamey lol
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He’s not playing with us then lol
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Using R&P? Interesting!
It would be nice to see your unit stats sometime.
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Interesting alternate history stuff, nice setup.
Good work on your Volunteer conversions.
Ironclad Miniatures do wonderful British infantry in home service helmets and Grenadier Guards in mighty bearskin caps for this period and some cool looking Prussian infantry.
I’d put this in the Age of Big Battalions but clearly state alternate history in the topics.
Carry on!
I'm not too knowledgeable of the period (The Flashman Papers has stoked my interest), but AFAIK the home service helmet only entered service in 1878; before that some form of shako was still in use in non-colonial settings.
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I'm not too knowledgeable of the period (The Flashman Papers has stoked my interest), but AFAIK the home service helmet only entered service in 1878; before that some form of shako was still in use in non-colonial settings.
I’m no expert but that’s pretty much my understanding as well. That said, I have read that the Home Service Helmet was trialled for several years before it was formally adopted in 1878. Against this latter possibility, my regular line infantry will stretch credibility by wearing it in 1875 (when the project is set) to readily differentiate them from the red-coated Militia units but also to enable me to use the minis for my 1895 Gothic London project. :)
Edit: This is a useful reference
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-100421193837.jpeg)
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Thanks Helen
And thank you. In case of interest, there are many more images here:
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=116169.180 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=116169.180)
Thank you. Quite impressive.
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Sorry Steve,a bit late to this.
What a great idea,and of course work on the miniatures 8)
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Cheers Guy. I’ve been otherwise distracted to make too much progress but have, I think, managed to finalise 6 converted miniatures for the Rifle Volunteers. The really good news is that I’ve managed to obtain permission from the original IP owner to cast my conversions for personal use. 😎
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This is looking like another exciting project. I love the attention to detail you bring to these, even down to naming the units before you have bought, converted and painted them. lol lol
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Excellent green stuff work!
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I love the attention to detail you bring to these, even down to naming the units before you have bought, converted and painted them. lol lol
:D Thanks Gary. Can’t deny that I like a plan and the Mersey rules are great for organising around.
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Excellent green stuff work!
Thanks Steve
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Everything looks fantastic! I'm looking forward to seeing more!
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Great stuff so far and nice to have an insight into how you're planning your project.
Thanks for sharing this.
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Steve,great idea. Next BLAM I will sacrifice myself an play the german side. Bring a list of original german bad words for the other "german"players. Reminds me a bit to a victorian version of Dad's Army... lol
But, one thing please, only real germans, no bavarians. Keep it original and prussian.
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Thanks all :D
Next BLAM I will sacrifice myself an play the german side. Bring a list of original german bad words for the other "german"players. Reminds me a bit to a victorian version of Dad's Army... lol
But, one thing please, only real germans, no bavarians. Keep it original and prussian.
lol
Victorian Dads Army pretty much sums it up.
You’re going to wince Dirk but at the moment the German Force is all Bavarian :o
I love Bavaria but then I’m from Essex ;)
I expect I’m going to expand my Germans to also include Prussians at some point BUT for big games like Dorking, Herr Malamute is accumulating an army of solid, efficient, Prussian goodness. 8)
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Wonderful stuff...cannot wait to see them bashing Bavarians in your back yard so to speak.
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They work well 8)
Couple of different jacket colours would do for different regiments as well?
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Actually if you ignore the ursupers now on the English throne, the recent Bavarian Duke Franz is the true heir of the Stuarts, due to a marriage in the 19th century. Therefore if Bavarians invade England its only for the rightful king! lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart#Present_day
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Actually if you ignore the ursupers now on the English throne, the recent Bavarian Duke Franz is the true heir of the Stuarts, due to a marriage in the 19th century. Therefore if Bavarians invade England its only for the rightful king! lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stuart#Present_day
That, Wellington, is an excellent point! 8)
All sorts of back story shenanigans there :D
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Wonderful stuff...cannot wait to see them bashing Bavarians in your back yard so to speak.
lol I fear it will be the British who are being bashed.
Anyone familiar with the story of the Battle of Dorking will know that it does not end well for our enthusiastic amateurs. :'(
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Steve,
If you haven't already got a copy then this book has quite a good range of images for the period you are looking for.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/6932-230421200134.jpeg)
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Thanks all :D
lol
Victorian Dads Army pretty much sums it up.
You’re going to wince Dirk but at the moment the German Force is all Bavarian :o
I love Bavaria but then I’m from Essex ;)
I expect I’m going to expand my Germans to also include Prussians at some point BUT for big games like Dorking, Herr Malamute is accumulating an army of solid, efficient, Prussian goodness. 8)
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This is another book that may be of if use.
This is a project that I’m looking on with interest.
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Dirk I’m not sure what you were trying to say? Was it beer o’clock (Bier Zeit) when you posted? :D
Gary and Ewan - thanks so much for the book recommendations. I will certainly be following those up. I’ve got a fair amount of info on some Volunteer Corps but - fastidious pedant that I can sometimes be ;) - I really wanted to include units from where I have a personal connection as they might have been at a specific time point; I guess I’ll do the best research I can and then compromise . Tracking down some of these specifics can be difficult if not impossible. A later addition to the project will be mounted Volunteers - Essex didn’t have any and it’s Yoemanry wasn’t highly rated at the time - but I’ll perhaps put together something representative of a Yorkshire unit. :D
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Loving the detail you're putting into this Steve,excellent :)
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Ditto .... !
Excellent work. Please keep sharing.
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You could release a Dorking sourcebook! Impressive.
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Thanks chaps. It’s a lot of fun trying to get into the nitty gritty of detail that Chesney left out of his story. At the moment I’m also reading the reactionary follow-up (a much more jingoistic story by Stone) that has the Germans defeated at Tunbridge Wells.
As far as any campaign goes, there’s the Dorking related games I’ll play with Oshiro, Malamute et al, plus solo stuff. I’ll also be running an adjunct that sees the Germans send a second force down the Thames to isolate and then capture the London docks, the Tower of London, the Woolwich Arsenal and The City. All of that isn’t in Chesney’s book and though he mentions the capture of the Woolwich Arsenal he doesn’t say how it was done.
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I’ve not had too much hobby time this week so just a quick update on what’s planned for terrain.
I’ve started on the first four residences:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521210610-513131406.jpeg)
Derived from these:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521210737.jpeg)
Which forms part of a bigger hamlet:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521210611-51315519.jpeg)
The pub, additional Georgian houses and the Victorian terrace will be derived from the following:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521210611-51317337.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521210611-513182206.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521211845.jpeg)
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Very nice!
Won’t their be a problem in the overhang of the middle building's roof with the one on the right? In the photo of the original the right hand buildings roof appears lower and at a slightly gentler pitch.
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Looking good so far.
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Thanks both :)
Won’t their be a problem in the overhang of the middle building's roof with the one on the right? In the photo of the original the right hand buildings roof appears lower and at a slightly gentler pitch.
Thanks for the question.
The 1:1 buildings are connected together by way of overlap. I didn’t get a photo of how the roofs actually abut though that doesn’t really matter, as mine are on separate tiles for alternative layouts, so I need to have a practical but aesthetically pleasing compromise.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521224639.jpeg)
I’m envisioning a much smaller overhang for the middle building that will hopefully fit into the gap between it and the right hand neighbour. The angle of the right hand roof is not set in stone: if necessary it can be cut back after the middle roof is fitted to arrive at what looks pleasing for the model.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-130521224939.jpeg)
If it doesn’t work I might have to move a wall, which wouldn’t be too much of a chore.
Obviously it would have been a lot easier if both had been on the same tile - they could then have cut into each other as per the 1:1 - but I wanted to stick with A4/A5 bases.
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Cool, looks like you have it covered. Looking forward to the finished article.
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Cool, looks like you have it covered. Looking forward to the finished article.
Thanks :)
I’m glad you asked as it prompted me to articulate, which is always useful for the build process. 8)
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Nice start to the terrain. Looking forward to seeing these come to life with your usual attention to detail. :-* :-*
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The layout works well :)
Still no idea what I'm going to do for mine lol
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I’ve knocked together a few more shapes to create the footprint of the Dorking hamlet. The roofs are not at their final angle, as I will cut them back to what is aesthetically pleasing.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-210521193955-51411878.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-210521193955-51410905.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-210521193955-514091941.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-210521193955-514081941.jpeg)
Plus the doors and windows, which are laser cut acrylic from Oshiro Model Terrain.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/2031-210521193955-514071457.jpeg)
I’ve superglued the doors and windows to plasticard . Once I’ve offered them up to the various holes to test fit, I’ll texture spray the grey card before permanently installing them.
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Looking good. Are the houses made of mounting board card and if so don't you get any warping when you paint them or is there some magic that prevents that?
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Looking good. Are the houses made of mounting board card and if so don't you get any warping when you paint them or is there some magic that prevents that?
That’s a very good question. I’m hoping that spraying with textured paint plus bracing and reinforcing will work. The buildings won’t be accessible so having a fixed roof atop each wall will help eliminate that flex point.
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A good mix of buildings there :)
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Super lovely. :D
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Thanks chaps
Super lovely. :D
That’s Uber kind of you :D
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Looking good.
Sad to see the English Civil War disappearing fast in your ever-changing rear view mirror though ;) lol
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lol
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Sad to see the English Civil War disappearing fast in your ever-changing rear view mirror though ;) lol
But it’s not. Honest. I’m just so short of hobby time at the mo that I can’t get on with painting, and that includes ECW minis. I’m also unable to game at the mo, as I can’t take over the dining table for an extended period (and I really would like to play my next ECW Campaign game). :(
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Dirk I’m not sure what you were trying to say? Was it beer o’clock (Bier Zeit) when you posted? :D
A good tradition in Germany says „Kein Bier vor vier“. Unfortunately no one makes clear if it means 4 o‘clock am or pm… So, well, Bierzeit is nearly 24 hours in Germany…. ;) You project is great, waiting for the first figures
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A good tradition in Germany says „Kein Bier vor vier“. Unfortunately no one makes clear if it means 4 o‘clock am or pm… So, well, Bierzeit is nearly 24 hours in Germany…. ;)
I links the sound of that. Prost!
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Excellent progress.
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But it’s not. Honest. I’m just so short of hobby time at the mo that I can’t get on with painting, and that includes ECW minis. I’m also unable to game at the mo, as I can’t take over the dining table for an extended period (and I really would like to play my next ECW Campaign game). :(
What about the Seven Samurai, or the Gothic Horror or.... ;) lol
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The project list comprises, in no particular order:
Seven Samurai
Battle of Dorking*
Wasteland Warriors
ECW*
Gothic Horror*
Pirates
Barons War*
Lord of the Rings*
WW2 Sicily
Old West
I’m still thinking of binning the unfinished Star Wars and Britannia (Age of Arthur) projects.
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Blimey, I'd forgotten a fair few of the other ones lol
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Wasteland Warriors
SSS renewed?? :o ;D
I painted nearly all the old figures and need more!!! Steve, this is your most important project, believe me. ;)
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The project list comprises, in no particular order:
Seven Samurai
Battle of Dorking*
Wasteland Warriors
ECW*
Gothic Horror*
Pirates
Barons War*
Lord of the Rings*
WW2 Sicily
Old West
I’m still thinking of binning the unfinished Star Wars and Britannia (Age of Arthur) projects.
Are the starred items the 'in play' projects? If so you have even more than me on the go. :o
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SSS renewed?? :o ;D
Afraid not Dirk. I’ve sold the range on though the new owner has yet to make an announcement :(
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Are the starred items the 'in play' projects? If so you have even more than me on the go. :o
I didn’t provide the explanatory note did I lol
The starred items are what I regard as my big projects.
As to what I can currently game with, I have playable forces for:
ECW Both sides
Gothic Horror Both sides
Barons War Both sides
Lord of the Rings Dwarves and Uruk-hai only
WW2 Sicily British Airlanding only
Old West
Star Wars Wookiees only
I’ve got a lot on the painting table at the mo, comprising Dorking, ECW, Uruk-hai, Dunedain, plus markers for Lion Rampant, Dragon Rampant and Rebels & Patriots.
Though I generally buy most of the minis at the outset of a project, I find it difficult to motivate myself to paint them unless I have completed terrain to play on, thus the focus on finishing a few Dorking buildings. Plus domestic DIY is really eating into hobby time.
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Afraid not Dirk. I’ve sold the range on though the new owner has yet to make an announcement :(
I think it is sad fact, that people buy ranges and the are lost. Not the first time. Still wait for Akulas ranges. Maybe they are “Lost in Tinlation”…. :(
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Great looking project and town. I can see it being used just as well for future German invasions as well, say 1917, 1940s..... Soviets in the cold war. Fictional EU UK spat in the 30s, Aliens. lol
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Thanks for bringing the thread back alive. :)
Dorking minis are third in line of my paint queue (2 lots of LOTR first) and Dorking buildings are second in line (after a bit more work on the ECW/Dorking Manor House).
So more progress soon!
Though all of that planning might get waylaid by an urge to make a beer wagon and crew for my dwarf army. :D
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Aw yes the curse of multiple hobby projects. Something always comes up. lol
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First unit finished, though essentially rebasing and repaints of minis from my Old West and Gothic Horror collections: a group of 6 x British Civilian Resistance. Unless blessed by hard cover and favourable dice, they won’t stand a chance against the Bavarian Jaegers who are next in the paint queue.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-241221180352-53763958.jpeg)
The basing scheme reflects that they’ll be used both in field and in town.
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Brill :)
They’ll need some reinforcements though especially with all the Germans that are amassing across the channel lol
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lol
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Lovely additions to the collection 👍
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Many thanks :)
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Brill :)
They’ll need some reinforcements though especially with all the Germans that are amassing across the channel lol
Yeah! Vive la France!
Oh wait…. lol
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Interesting stuff 8)
I really like the loco livery.
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Lots of interesting history here.
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Thanks folks :)
Lots of interesting history here.
Cheers. It’s a lot of fun to research.
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I don't know how I missed this thread, but I'm very glad I found it! I love the concept!
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Thanks.
I’ve started painting my Bavarian Jaegers and will soon be onto the line infantry for which I have a question……
I know Jaegers are green but for regular infantry, are the colours to the rear jacket flaps and to the trouser stripes always in red or do they match the regimental colour to collar/cuffs/shoulders?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-291221193633.jpeg)
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Great to see such a well formed project. The civilian resistance are looking good.
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Haven't been on the forum for a while and stumble across this. Great project mate.
As for the Bavarian line infantry uniforms, as I understand it trouser stripes were always red as was the piping on the tunics. Only the collars and cuffs were regimental colours.
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Lovely work on the figures. Regarding the Bavarians, in the Franco-Prussian war, the Saarbruck to Sedan book, published by the Helion Company, implies all units had red piping on the front, rear false pockets, and padded shoulder wings. It was the facing colours and button material that distinguished the regiments. Hope that helps
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Many thanks to both of you. :)
All makes perfect sense. 8)
I’d overlooked the shoulder wings and so that clarification is especially appreciated.
(Hi Neil…. Welcome back…. And yes I’ve finally succumbed to Victoriana, though not VSF but VMF ;) :D )
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I’ve now painted the first 6 Bavarian Jaegers - they’re slight conversions of the Eagle of Empire Line Infantry, except for the bugler who is converted from a standard bearer. There’s quite a bit of debate and/or conjecture about the ‘correct’ uniform colour, ranging from very pale blue, to grey blue, to a darker blue; I’ve settled on a medium blue.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-030122203509-538792410.jpeg)
Some close-ups:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-030122203509-538751292.jpeg)
I’ll be playing with Rebels & Patriots, in which units can be penalised with up to two ‘morale’ markers. As I don’t want two markers next to a unit, the rifle represents one marker and the pile of bricks, two:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-030122203509-538802361.jpeg)
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They’ll do :)
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Not knowing much about this period, they look good to me! Correct color or otherwise, that's some lovely brushwork!
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They look splendid, loads of character, I especially like the officer. ;D
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They'll stick out like a sore thumb >:D
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Great job Steve. Positively Ruritanian :-*
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Fine additions Steve, 👍
The officer's facial sculpt can't help but put me in the mind of Dick Dastardly though lol
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Thanks all.
James, they might stick out on the table but you’ll still need decent die rolls to kill them :D
The officer's facial sculpt can't help but put me in the mind of Dick Dastardly though lol
Now I have “Catch the pigeon, catch the pigeon, catch the pigeon NOW” stuck in my head lol
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James, they might stick out on the table but you’ll still need decent die rolls to kill them :D
I have new dice, as Nick will attest to >:D
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:D
I have the table set up for a test game and couldn’t help attempting to recreate one of the Eagles of Empire promo images.
My attempt:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-040122142317-53887255.jpeg)
And the original:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-040122142316-538842413.jpeg)
I’ve just realised that my short plumes, the green ones, are mostly out of shot, but other than that I’m pretty pleased.
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Awesome picture! :-*
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Lovely :)
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Very nice indeed!!
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Thanks folks :)
I’m now set up for the first game, which I’d hoped to play this week but which will now be early next week.
The scenario is quite simple. With the Germans having just landed at Shoreham in Sussex, a unit of Jägers has been sent forward to recce a hamlet that controls a key river crossing. Much to their surprise, they discover that the local citizenry have already heard that something is afoot; a local character, Tom ‘Top Hat’ Muttley, has stirred them up and they are now armed and blockading the road. The Bavarians will not tolerate civilian resistance and so their leader, the aristocrat Hauptmann Otto Schmitt, has decided - perhaps impetuously - to make an example of them with a bloody lesson.
I’ve yet to make the 6x4 terrain boards so it’s being played on my 5x3 cloth.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-070122144942-53916184.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-070122144943-539171764.jpeg)
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This will be an 8 points versus 8 points games of Rebels & Patriots with 1 unit of Bavarians against 4 units of Resisters. The British, if they are to be in with a chance, will need to make good use of hard cover. There are some minor house rules/mods that will be explained in-game. The unit cards look like this (they fold to fit inside A6 sleeves):
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Excellent :)
Cards look like they’ll work well.
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Excellent, love the barricade :)
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looks fabulous
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Wonderful work. Just as long as those chaps are prepared for the typical, shabby Bavarian tricks.
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Lovely table, has that perfect film set look. Should be a good looking game.
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Looks fantastic, you’ve done a cracking job 8) 8)
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Lovely village set up
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Absolutely amazing table. :)
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Thanks all. :D
Am very much looking forward to playing the game - AAR to follow Idc
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Gorgeous game! Beautiful terrain with beautiful figures!
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Thanks :)
The first game has now been played, with the table laid out for Rebels & Patriots as follows:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212638-539652012.jpeg)
The river can only be crossed by the bridge or the ford.
With the British Resisters comprising 4 units of 6 civilians, one unit went into the single house to the west of Main Street, another into the row of houses to the west, a third in the row to the east and then the fourth behind the barricade. For unit cards please see prior posts.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212638-539662316.jpeg)
In accord with the scenario, the Bavarian Jägers approached from the south. They could see the Resisters behind their barricades but at this stage were unaware of those who were out of sight.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212639-539671406.jpeg)
With the Resisters mandated to stay within their cover unless driven out, the first few turns were solely for the Jägers who, avoiding the obvious exposure atop the bridge, moved forward via the ford.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212639-53968707.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212639-539691362.jpeg)
The Jägers opened fire on the Resisters from some 20” away, but with them hunkered down behind their barricade, every shot missed. However, without any return fire being experienced, it was apparent that the Resisters lacked range. Taking a calculated risk, the Jägers then moved across the fields of crops, intending to clear the village via the east-side houses.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212752-539702055.jpeg)
Unable to cross the thicker hedge to the east, the Jägers were forced closer to the village though still took care to stay outside of range of the Resisters at the barricade.
It was at this point that the Bavarian plan ran into trouble. The unseen Resisters in the east-side houses now had the Jägers within range and so they opened fire, causing one casualty and creating Disorder, which forced a retreat. Unable to Rally but still just in range, the Jägers suffered a further round of fire, lost two more men and became Broken.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212753-539712470.jpeg)
Having been forced backwards, the Jäger were now out of firing range. Still (albeit only just) flailing to rally, they continued to fall back.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212753-539732156.jpeg)
With the Jäger having fallen back to the ford, it was concluded that they had failed in what had been an impetuous action: the village was not to be theirs and they would leave the field to return with reinforcements.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/2031-130122212754-53974372.jpeg)
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All-in-all, an enjoyable little game that will act as the prelude to the next, which is likely to include reinforcements for both sides.
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Splendid 8)
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Brilliant stuff 8)
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Nice Aar 👍
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Superb! What a lovely looking game and great fun too. :-*
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Excellent AAR.
Your description reminds me of the skirmish actions described in Embree's book on the 2nd SchleswigHolstein war, so you've hit the spot with your choice of figures and game scale.
Look forward to reading more.
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Thanks all - glad you enjoyed what was a really small game at only 8 points per side ;D
Your description reminds me of the skirmish actions described in Embree's book on the 2nd SchleswigHolstein war, so you've hit the spot with your choice of figures and game scale.
Thanks for the feedback - that’s really good to know. The way that the story unfolded felt really natural
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Lovely pics. :-*
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Beauteous :-*
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Well done. Your Jagers preformed just as our newly-fielded miniature units do when they first see the elephant... :D
Perfectly lovely terrain, by the way...
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:o You're going to be very busy painting!
Great looking forces though :)
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Fantastic project! I've just read through your battle report and admired the stunning images of your table set up. Lovely work.
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Looking forward to this 👍
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Wicked cool :D
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Jolly marvellous old boy. :-*
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This sounds like it's going to be good!
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This is great! I especially like your research and campaign planning; it tells a story,wonderful 8)
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Very busy you have been. I do like your conversion work and bases too.
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Those figs look good so far. Looking forward to seeing them painted. Also looking forward to seeing how this whole thing progresses...
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Simple yet effective conversion :)
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Simple yet effective conversion :)
Ta :)
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Brilliant, inspired and wonderful conversions :-*
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Looking good. Nice conversion work.
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Thanks both :)
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I - as a northern german - must confess, that I hope for a british victory. You fight against the evil from the south. Tolkien also realized the fact, that all the evil comes from the south ;) lol
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lol
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I - as a northern german - must confess, that I hope for a british victory. You fight against the evil from the south. Tolkien also realized the fact, that all the evil comes from the south ;) lol
lol
More seriously, I’ve heard it said that even now Prussians look down on the Bavarians, I think considering them unsophisticated. Is this right? Is there actually anything more to it and does it date back to the 1870s or beyond?
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lol
More seriously, I’ve heard it said that even now Prussians look down on the Bavarians, I think considering them unsophisticated. Is this right? Is there actually anything more to it and does it date back to the 1870s or beyond?
I think its just jealousy in Dirks case as the Bavarians get to officially wear the leather shorts. ;)
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I think its just jealousy in Dirks case as the Bavarians get to officially wear the leather shorts. ;)
lol
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They look surprisingly good in grey :)
Not a colour generally associated with British troops of the period.
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They look terrific. ;D :-*
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Love 'em 👍
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They look very dapper :-*
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Having just about zero knowledge of the period, I think those figs look great! Well done!
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Very nice work.
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Very nice figures indeed.
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They look splendid! Hopefully you’ll do some Yeomanry as well.
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The church bells rang and then the cries rang out “Invasion! Invasion!”.
With the news of this morning’s landings east along the coast at Worthing, men of the 35th (Royal Sussex) have assembled at their depot in Chichester. They will soon move out to the railway station, transiting by the coastal line to get straight into action. Morale is high and, as they carry out last minute equipment checks, they belt out their regimental song*:
And if you go to Sussex,
Sussex, Sussex by the sea,
You can tell them all,
That we’ll stand or fall
For Sussex by the sea.
(*With thanks to Captain Blood for this background detail)
Major Dicky Bludd and Sergeant Williams inspect the troops:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-060322150435-54448975.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-060322150435-54449494.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-060322150436-544501015.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-060322150436-54451686.jpeg)
The Royal Sussex are split into two units of 12 for gaming purposes:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-060322150925-5445276.jpeg)
The four most interesting minis (with credit to Helen for inspiring me with her work on her Zulu War bugler):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-060322150926-544531138.jpeg)
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Love it 8)
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Brilliant work! :-*
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All rather spiffing. :-*
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Thanks folks! :D
Next up (after a brief digression to Lord of the Rings) will be 24 Bavarians
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Bravo Sir!
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Wonderful work :-*
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Great addition to the collection 👍
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Thanks all :)
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They look fantastic. Where did you source those helmets from? :D
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Thanks :)
The minis are Perry plastic 1879 Zulu War, and helmets come as an option. To quote from the leaflet in the box:
“The frames include an alternative set of heads wearing the Home Service helmet. …….If you are looking for fictitious but fun scenarios for the Home Army, imagine the Royal Navy is having an off day and has somehow missed that huge invasion fleet! Hurry along to the white cliffs of Dover and whip out your telescope. Is it the French perhaps? Dammit it could be the Prussians. It's not the Czar's mob is it? And if G. Wells is your thing...well forget Dover and look to the skies...it might just be those little green Martians!”
Perfect! :D
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Groovy. :D
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They look superb Steve :-*
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Absolutely fabulous! Lovely brushwork!
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Thanks folks: feedback and comments are always appreciated :)
For those interested in such things, with 60 minis now finished I’ve spent a little time reviewing the overall scale of the project. In total, using Rebels & Patriots, I have accumulated:
Bavarians: 14 units totalling 140 minis for 112 unit points
British: 24 units totalling 240 minis for 100 unit points
Nb: The British have significantly more units simply because they are of lower quality. The Bavarian infantry are 8 points per unit whereas about 120 of the British are Rifle Volunteers at a mere 3 points.
320 minis yet to be painted seems a lot but I do hope to make big inroads into the lead pile this year.
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Excellent stuff.
As a Worthingite I, for one, welcome our new Bavarian overlords...
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Thank you :)
As a Worthingite I, for one, welcome our new Bavarian overlords...
My brief digression to LotR has ended and I’m now painting 24 minis of the Bavarian 12th Infantry Regiment. :D
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The Bavarian 12th Infantry are now finished. Wunderbar!
There are 24 minis in two units of 12. All are as standard except the officer who has had a pistol added to the right hand and the standard bearer’s pole is now adorned with a seated lion (also, the printed flag has been over-painted).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-310322193821-54694998.jpeg)
Somewhere near the Sussex coast, as it advances inland the 12th passes through a sleepy ‘chocolate box’ village, with flag flying, with drum beating, and with marching songs sung with gusto.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-310322192831-546931547.jpeg)
As the locals peer from their windows - some fearful, some surprised, some angry - the column grows longer.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-310322200926-546971748.jpeg)
Then a shot rings out - perhaps a farmer’s son, indignant at the trespass - and the tail of the column reacts.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-310322192831-54691958.jpeg)
The Bavarians - their singing momentarily subdued - quickly eliminate the threat.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-310322200926-54696210.jpeg)
The march continues. Will nothing stop the Bavarian war machine?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-310322192830-546752074.jpeg)
Edit:
Just to keep track, painted minis are now:
BRITISH
24 x Line Infantry
24 x Rifle Volunteers
6 x Civilians
BAVARIAN
6 x Jägers
24 x Line Infantry
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Huzzah!
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Lovely additions👍
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Absolutely brilliant :-*
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Very impressive indeed! Those recent images are fantastic.
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Beautiful.
I think some shots of the 35th Foot vs. the 12th Bavarians are now required :D
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very nice even in that position...the glass shelves allow to preserve their full charme..
sorry if partially of topic but may i ask you if the cabinet is, in fact, an Ikea Billy module and where did you placed the lights? above? on both sides?
many thanks
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Superb. Those shots of the Bavarians in the Village are very good.
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Thanks all :D
sorry if partially of topic but may i ask you if the cabinet is, in fact, an Ikea Billy module and where did you placed the lights? above? on both sides?
I do have two Billy cabinets but the above minis are not in one. It’s actually a display case from Lidl UK, which are about ½ the size of a Billy. None of my cabinets are lit; I simply used reflected natural light for the photo and adjusted the exposure/brightness.
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Somewhere near the Sussex coast, as it advances inland the 12th passes through a sleepy ‘chocolate box’ village, with flag flying, with drum beating, and with marching songs sung with gusto.
Particularly interesting when you consider that the current Grand Duke of Bavaria is the successor to the Stuart line.....
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Particularly interesting when you consider that the current Grand Duke of Bavaria is the successor to the Stuart line.....
Yes indeed, it forms part of the background to the project :D
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Jolly German Jacobites? That’s all the world needs. Tartan shortbread tins filled with pretzels. Should be a big seller at Aldi.
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Seeing the excellent work you did with the 35th Sussex persuaded me to get my own box of Perry's British (though I'll probably have them fight commune-controlled Frenchies; its only proper.)
Looking forward to seeing the yeomanry!
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Seeing the excellent work you did with the 35th Sussex persuaded me to get my own box of Perry's British (though I'll probably have them fight commune-controlled Frenchies; its only proper.)
Looking forward to seeing the yeomanry!
I would like to see them and the commune. :D
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Jolly German Jacobites? That’s all the world needs. Tartan shortbread tins filled with pretzels. Should be a big seller at Aldi.
Lol
Hmmm, interesting thought. I might include some fifth columnists loyal to the true king :D
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Thanks everyone for the comments.
Seeing the excellent work you did with the 35th Sussex persuaded me to get my own box of Perry's British (though I'll probably have them fight commune-controlled Frenchies; its only proper.)
That’s another interesting angle 8)
I have also pondered adding French to my project - it might happen :D
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I have also pondered adding French to my project - it might happen :D
Vive La France! :D
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Thanks everyone for the comments.
That’s another interesting angle 8)
I have also pondered adding French to my project - it might happen :D
Would be an easy and interesting diversion. And help lead to a FPW game as well.
I wonder if they would be interested in invading the Channel Islands... ;D
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Vibe La France, indeed! :D
Would be an easy and interesting diversion. And help lead to a FPW game as well.
I wonder if they would be interested in invading the Channel Islands... ;D
The French taking the Channel Islands is a brilliant idea! That is now - most definitely - another part of the project 8)
Thanks folks - there’s been so much inspirational feedback in this thread.
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The French taking the Channel Islands is a brilliant idea! That is now - most definitely - another part of the project 8)
Won’t be a big part. A few sheep and some potatoes won’t be a hard conquest lol
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I was just tossing ideas out there, and the Channel Islands just seemed like an easy target. lol
There was a Royal Jersey Militia and Royal Guernsey Militia. And some Martello towers around the islands.
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There was a Royal Jersey Militia and Royal Guernsey Militia. And some Martello towers around the islands.
Booo lol
I’m supposed to be the good guys though so every little helps :D
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Booo lol
I’m supposed to be the good guys though so every little helps :D
You can still shoot the sheep and stamped the potatoes if you want to. :D
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lol
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Love how the different yeoman and vollenteer rifle units just went ham with their uniforms. Kind of remind me of the pre war and early war state militia units at the start of the US civil war.
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Love how the different yeoman and vollenteer rifle units just went ham with their uniforms. Kind of remind me of the pre war and early war state militia units at the start of the US civil war.
Yeah that’s one of my favourite parts of the project: so many different units on the British side, who wouldn’t normally feature in a wargame, and who in a lot of cases are barely remembered. It’s interesting that uniform standards were at times prescribed, but a lot of units just ignored that. Lol
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Huzzah!
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You can't help but admire the dedication that goes in to your projects.
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I admire the taste for the exotic and unique. Fabulous when you see something produced that no commercial manufacturer is ever going to touch.
Essex Militia. Does this portend a diversionary landing at Canvey Island? The Battle of Buckhurst Hill?
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Thanks all :D
You can't help but admire the dedication that goes in to your projects.
Cheers Steve, though the dedication can be followed by loss of enthusiasm, disinterest and sale :D
Not this one though as too many elements are tired into my wider interests. ;)
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They are going to look spectacular :-*
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Thanks :D
Does this portend a diversionary landing at Canvey Island? The Battle of Buckhurst Hill?
That’s insightful! You’re pretty much spot on. 8)
From my project book, where I collate info and progress (essentially, it’s a much more detailed version of this thread), I have the following scene-setter:
It’s 1875 and the German Invaders have landed near Worthing, advancing north through Horsham to what could be a decisive battle near Dorking. Meanwhile there’s been a feint landing at Harwich and an attempt will be made to seize the Woolwich Arsenal. So far, so “Reminisces of a Volunteer”, written by George Chesney and published in 1874. However, I’m not following the book as it is written, both in varying the units involved and in including a separate landing, by a Bavarian Corps, on the north of bank of the Thames. The latter being intended to seize intact the Royal Gunpowder Mills at Waltham Abbey, the Tower of London and the East End docks after taking out the Artillery ranges at Shoeburyness and the fort at Tilbury.
Buckhurst Hill is, of course, just south of the Royal Gunpowder Mills.
As it happens, I was at the Hadleigh Hills yesterday for Parkrun (it’s the site of the 2012 Olympics mountain bike course). The hills overlook Canvey Island and the Thames Estuary. I hadn’t previously appreciated that in Victorian times the Sally Army (which owns the land) had used the site as a Brickfields complete with elevator tramway and narrow gauge steam railway. I am very much inclined to include the brickfields - as they were then - as a battle site, especially as the Shoeburyness/Fenchurch railway line follows the coastline at the base of the hills with - in Victorian times - it being possible for a direct train from Shoeburyness (with its Royal Artillery barracks) to be routed under the Thames straight through to Crawley, Horsham and Shoreham on the South Coast.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-240422084209-551281898.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-240422084210-551291194.jpeg)
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Cue atmospheric picture of Hadleigh Country Park, with Hadleigh Castle to the left.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-240422085645.jpeg)
PS: Of the 500+ Parkruns in the UK, Hadleigh is, I believe, the 18th hilliest.
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Thats another great idea, a fight in a Victorian industrial zone.
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Thats another great idea, a fight in a Victorian industrial zone.
A whole other dimension :D
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Dust up at the Brick house! :D
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It's a potato shed >:D
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Dust up at the Brick house! :D
That’s the game title, right there! 8)
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It's a potato shed >:D
Lol
Your obsession with the humble potato will be disappointed, as the farmland here is almost completely cereal (though in recent times that given over to grazing tends to be for horses rather than sheep or cattle).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-250422073817.png)
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lol lol
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lol lol
Did I take you too seriously? ;) lol
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Just a tad lol
A hops farm would be good though :D
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Thanks chaps. It’s a lot of fun trying to get into the nitty gritty of detail that Chesney left out of his story. At the moment I’m also reading the reactionary follow-up (a much more jingoistic story by Stone) that has the Germans defeated at Tunbridge Wells.
What is the name of that book, if you dont mind telling me that is. Just finished reading Reminiscences of a Volunteer and need something new to read.
Oh and speaking of volunteers. I might be misremembering things, But didn't you have some photos of the completed rifle volunteers and a work in progress yeoman unit you where making posted up? I just reread the this thread and can not seem to find them. ;D
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Here you go:
What Happened After the Battle of Dorking: Reminiscences of a Volunteer. Being an Account of the Victory at Tunbridge Wells
Book by Charles John Stone
Available as a free PDF from Google Books
Regarding the missing images, yes I’ve been having a tidy up and reorganise. When I’ve finished painting the Essex Yeomanry Cavalry - almost all blocked under so not long now - I’ll add back images.
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Thanks, I will track it down.
And looking forward to seeing the Yeomen painted up. I was just worried that I was having an "Mandela effect" moment, and imagined the whole thing. :D
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Have finally finished the conversions of Perry Nappy plastics to Essex Yeomanry Cavalry circa 1875. I’ve also finished a second unit of Bavarian Jägers and painted some barricades.
The officer, sergeant and trumpeter from the EYC:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522152439-55509941.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522152439-55508705.jpeg)
At a glance they seem not a lot different to Nappy light cavalry BUT they have actually had a lot of work.
And here’s my second unit of 6 x Jägers, who are a very minor conversion of the Eagle of Empire Bavarian Infantry:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522152524-55512496.jpeg)
Here’s what the opposing forces are currently looking like:
BRITISH 60 figures in 6 units
35th (Royal Sussex) Infantry Regiment
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522153454.jpeg)
Essex Yeomanry Cavalry
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522152438-555071767.jpeg)
23rd Middlesex (Inns of Court) Rifle Volunteers
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522152438-555062235.jpeg)
BAVARIAN 36 figures in 4 units
1st Jäger Battalion
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522154251.jpeg)
12th Infantry Regiment
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/2031-310322193821-54694998.jpeg)
I mentioned barricades, which are resin casts by OSHIROmodelterrain, and will work both for streets and for my proposed brickyard.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-300522152438-554991599.jpeg)
As regards what comes next, it’ll probably be the Tower Hamlets Rifle Volunteers for the British and the Cuirassiers for the Bavarians. As regards terrain, I’m torn between working on houses, the railway, and the brickyard (the railway might win out).
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Awesome stuff! Loving those cavalry, a really striking uniform. Its turning into a great project. :-*
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Awesome stuff! Loving those cavalry, a really striking uniform. Its turning into a great project. :-*
Dashing Dandies all of them!
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I should have mentioned, I do plan to make some Hussar-style Yeomanry Cavalry (possibly Dorset) but they take an age to convert so I want to add a few more other units first.
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Huzzah!
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Marvellous !
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Thank you chaps. :D
Much more to come ;)
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Loving the donkey wallopers,fine progress 👍
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Those Yeoman make the wait worth it. Love all the rifle volunteers, regulars and Bavarians.
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Brilliant,love the Rifles :-*
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Thanks chaps.
I think it interesting that with the inclusion of various Volunteer and Yeomanry units, the Victorian Redcoats of the British regulars will be only a small part of a very colourful mix.
It’ll actually be the Bavarians who are all in one colour (and their lighter blue is so much prettier than the Prussians! :D).
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I think it interesting that with the inclusion of various Volunteer and Yeomanry units, the Victorian Redcoats of the British regulars will be only a small part of a very colourful mix.
It’ll actually be the Bavarians who are all in one colour (and their lighter blue is so much prettier than the Prussians! :D).
Wonderful project and execution. The minis and terrain are ace! :-*
I also prefer the Bavarians to the Prussians but am also looking forward to seeing more of your Volunteer and Yeomanry British army.
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Dashing Dandies all of them!
Who doesn’t like a dashing dandy? ;)
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Who doesn’t like a dashing dandy? ;)
lol
I'm sure Mason will be along with one of his quips shortly ;) :)
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I don't know how useful these guys would be in your games, but they would look really shiny on the table.
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=136692.new;topicseen#new
https://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=207&cat=767&page=1
And to help along. http://www.uniformology.com/HHC-07.html :D
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I don't know how useful these guys would be in your games, but they would look really shiny on the table.
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=136692.new;topicseen#new
https://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=207&cat=767&page=1
And to help along. http://www.uniformology.com/HHC-07.html :D
Thanks very much for the thought: yes I’ve seen them and they’re a possibility, though I think I would swap the horses over to Perry plastics for project consistency. They are on the reserve list for when I’ve made more progress with the 300 odd figures I’ve already got. lol
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Thanks very much for the thought: yes I’ve seen them and they’re a possibility, though I think I would swap the horses over to Perry plastics for project consistency. They are on the reserve list for when I’ve made more progress with the 300 odd figures I’ve already got. lol
I can see the perry horse swap, and yeah might want to put a dent into that block of 300 before we add more figs to the list. :D
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I can see the perry horse swap, and yeah might want to put a dent into that block of 300 before we add more figs to the list. :D
Well I’ve only gone and ordered 12 of them. :D (plus the 1866 Bavarian artillery crew)
So now the plan is for 3 units of British cavalry:
12 x Household Cavalry Lifeguards (Regulars in red tunics)
12 x Essex Yeomanry Cavalry (Volunteers in blue coats)
12 x Loyal Suffolk Hussars (Volunteers in green coats)
The irony is that I started this project as I really like the Eagles of Empire Bavarian Infantry but I’ll actually end up with twice as many British. Though the two forces will be of broadly similar points as the Bavarians are FPW battle-tested warriors and the British are mostly civilian volunteers and Home Depot parade troops and invalids. ;D Though the Brits will be very colourful. ;)
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Isn't that the way of it. I am holding off on buying a bunch of perry horse holders and dismounted union Cav at the moment tell after I finish my move sometime in July or August. lol
So I guess the Yeoman and Hussars will be green light cav. Are you Going to use the Guard as Shock cav?
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It’s the natural peril of building both sides. I really like A so I’ll start with those and a few of B. Oh, if I get C, I could also use them for a campaign against B. Hmm, further research reveals that C can also be used against D etc, etc……..
I like armies with multiple potential opponents. I justify it to myself that it’s in some way thrifty, one army, many options. Then I purchase every bugger they could be used against and some more that can be used as other opponents of the original forces’s opponents. Upon mature reflection, I think I’ve oversold myself on the thrifty bit. :D
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Wise words.
8)
Personally I believe in “mass skirmish”….but a few, then a few more…{repeat ad infinitum}
This is fast becoming one of my favourite projects on LAF
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Isn't that the way of it. I am holding off on buying a bunch of perry horse holders and dismounted union Cav at the moment tell after I finish my move sometime in July or August. lol
So I guess the Yeoman and Hussars will be green light cav. Are you Going to use the Guard as Shock cav?
Yep, that’s it :)
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It’s the natural peril of building both sides. I really like A so I’ll start with those and a few of B. Oh, if I get C, I could also use them for a campaign against B. Hmm, further research reveals that C can also be used against D etc, etc……..
I like armies with multiple potential opponents. I justify it to myself that it’s in some way thrifty, one army, many options. Then I purchase every bugger they could be used against and some more that can be used as other opponents of the original forces’s opponents. Upon mature reflection, I think I’ve oversold myself on the thrifty bit. :D
Yeah, I just got into ACW. And I am inspired from this page to get some Prussians for FPW to do a fictinal 1880s German invasion of the US..... And I should get the French as well. You know to have both sides in the FPW and in case I want my Union/Confederates to fight in Mexico. lol
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Yep, that’s it :)
Groovy :D
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Blimey I missed a bunch of comments from earlier. Apologies for that - no rudeness intended
:)
It’s the natural peril of building both sides. I really like A so I’ll start with those and a few of B. Oh, if I get C, I could also use them for a campaign against B. Hmm, further research reveals that C can also be used against D etc, etc……..
I like armies with multiple potential opponents. I justify it to myself that it’s in some way thrifty, one army, many options. Then I purchase every bugger they could be used against and some more that can be used as other opponents of the original forces’s opponents. Upon mature reflection, I think I’ve oversold myself on the thrifty bit. :D
All very true lol
As mentioned previously, I’m already intrigued by the option to add French for the Channel Islands. And obvs there’s the Prussians. ……..
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Wise words.
8)
Personally I believe in “mass skirmish”….but a few, then a few more…{repeat ad infinitum}
This is fast becoming one of my favourite projects on LAF
Cheers Matt. But then you really are a faction accumulator, as evidenced by your LotR project :D
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Yeah, I just got into ACW. And I am inspired from this page to get some Prussians for FPW to do a fictinal 1880s German invasion of the US..... And I should get the French as well. You know to have both sides in the FPW and in case I want my Union/Confederates to fight in Mexico. lol
Lol that’d work: an 1880s version of The Man in the High Castle 8)
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Lol that’d work: an 1880s version of The Man in the High Castle 8)
Weird happenings; I just downloaded the novel the other day whilst watching excerpts from the series . Thinking similar things,perhaps more modern…
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Project's really coming together!
I wanted to ask, is there a reason you used Perry's plastic Sudan to make the Middlesex Volunteers instead of the Perry Zulu set? Personally I can't really tell the difference between the two boxed sets besides the former having a drummer, so maybe there's some detail I'm missing. I was thinking of doing something similar (though to make regular line infantry that didn't get the new helmets instead of volunteers) so I'm curious how you made their heads out of Napoleonic heads.
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Project's really coming together!
I wanted to ask, is there a reason you used Perry's plastic Sudan to make the Middlesex Volunteers instead of the Perry Zulu set? Personally I can't really tell the difference between the two boxed sets besides the former having a drummer, so maybe there's some detail I'm missing. I was thinking of doing something similar (though to make regular line infantry that didn't get the new helmets instead of volunteers) so I'm curious how you made their heads out of Napoleonic heads.
Thanks and that’s a good question as to why the Sudan Infantry. TBH I don’t really remember, though it would have been easier to remake the full length trousers over the Sudan puttees. That said, where possible I used the Zulu set arms to avoid having to remake the cuff detail that is absent from the Sudan uniform. Thing is, my bits box has (had) sufficient of everything apart from the main body, so that’s probably why the easier lower legs swung it.
As regards the hat, my notes say:
- Hat from Nappy head
- shave off badge and fit lower down, remove plume with fitting, trim height off hat and refit plume
- Fit hat to head
- Reshape hat as necessary
- Reduce height of plume and round off to create Pom Pom
- Tidy with GS
Good luck 8)
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Weird happenings; I just downloaded the novel the other day whilst watching excerpts from the series . Thinking similar things,perhaps more modern…
I find it an interesting enough story without all the Sci-fi! :D
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With the table covered with a test layout out but with no time for a game, I couldn’t resist the opportunity for some photos of the finished Dorking units.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-180722125425-558601398.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-030822224001-559831405.jpeg)
It’s the day after the Germans have landed at Worthing and advance units of Bavarian troops are probing north, seizing bridges to facilitate a fast advance on London.
A hotch-potch of British units - from various places and of mixed quality - have arrived to secure a ‘chocolate box’ village, which dominates a bridge and adjacent ford.
Two units of the 23rd Middlesex (Inns of Court) Rifle Volunteers are in the hedgerows opposite the ford, while two units of the 35th (Royal Sussex) Infantry Regiment are holed-up in the village. Only recently arrived, they haven’t had time to establish entrenchments south of the river.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-030822224001-55987131.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-030822224002-559881130.jpeg)
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Not long after arriving, the Rifle Volunteers are confronted by the 2 units of the 1st Jäger Battalion, who lay down covering fire from a copse for an attempt to ford the river. While this distraction plays out, 2 units of the 12th Infantry Regiment dash across the bridge, determined to seize the houses that overlook it. A fierce firefight ensues, with the Bavarians closing in on the village.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-030822224100-559911716.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-030822224101-559921254.jpeg)
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The British, despite the advantage of being in defence, are vulnerable: unlike the Bavarian veterans of the Franco-Prussian War, the British Regulars, roused from their bunks at the nearby Depot, and the civilian Volunteers, roused from their beds at home, are not battle-hardened. It seems that they will be overrun.
At the last minute, 2 units of the Essex Yeomanry Cavalry appear from the rear. The Essex in Sussex? On hearing of the landings they had quickly mobilised and then commandeered a train for a speedy journey from East Essex to the south coast. The Essex Boys gallop in: will the weight of horse save the day?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/55/2031-030822224436-559992049.jpeg)
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And the cavalry is here to save the day. And looking great while doing it as well.
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I really enjoy this thread. Fabulous artistry and good story telling. It has it all.
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Lovely stuff,scenery and minis look great! 8)
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Spot on :)
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Absolutely superb! :-* :-*
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Sensational! absolutely superb, its a visual treat! :-* :-* :-*
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Marvellous and stirring stuff.
And quite inspirational too!
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Thanks all - that was a lot of fun to shoot and write up. :D
Next up in the painting queue are Bavarian Cuirassiers and some more British Rifle Volunteers. I also want to make the watermill.
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Looks super Steve.
So when are we playing? ;)
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Hmm. How did I miss this thread? Well done and all that!
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outstanding :-*
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Thanks chaps
:D
So when are we playing? ;)
The momentum is building for a mega game :D
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Only just saw those photos, they're spectacular! What a set up.
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Beautiful project, figures and scenery, inspiring stuff :-* Sorry if you have already given an explanation to this question, what figures did you use to make the Inns of Court Volunteers?
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Wow! :-*
Just one of the best looking games ever and sounds like a blast to play!
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Thanks all - apologies but I missed a couple of the posts and have only just seen them.
It is a hugely enjoyable project - I’ve yet to play the next game as I want some cavalry on cavalry action so the Bavarian Cuirassiers and British Household Cavalry are nearing the front of the TO DO queue (plus a unit of Tower Hamlets Rifle Volunteers).
Delays are also attributable to me painting more minis for my Sci-fi project plus Bloody Miniatures Scottish conversions (and terrain).
Regarding the Inns of Court chaps, I made masters using some commercial parts, which I converted/sculpted, then had cast. The casting was with the permission of the rights-holder of the commercial parts, on the basis that they are strictly for my own personal use.
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Regarding the Inns of Court chaps, I made masters using some commercial parts, which I converted/sculpted over, then had cast. The casting was with the permission of the rights-holder of the commercial parts, on the basis that they are strictly for my own personal use.
The masters:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-170922101007-564031722.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-170922101007-56402679.jpeg)
The casts of these are then converted to reflect the peculiarities of each named unit of Rifle Volunteers. For a unit of 12, the same six minis are varied by the simple expedient of adding beards (plus alterations for officer, sergeant and bugler as appropriate).
The further modifications for the Inns of Court unit:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-170922101746.jpeg)
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Superb! Clearly labours of love.
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Bendy swords lol ;D
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Wobbly swords aside they do look great. Now I am trying to make figure out how to make 1870/80s Austrians or Russians. ::)
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I’ve removed them
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Those Inns of Courts chaps are lovely. Methinks they could even be used for Canadian Militia in the '66 Fenian Affair...
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I’ve removed them
They’ll reappear when I’ve found and fitted suitable replacement blades
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I only just discovered this thread… brilliant project! 👍
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Thank you.
I’d deleted yesterday’s post with the WIP Bavarian Cuirassiers as, frankly, they weren’t up to scratch. As cast, the swords were very thin and prone to bending: at the time I thought they’d do but have now done much better.
Under advice from Malamute and OSHIROmodelterrain I’ve snipped off the blades and replaced them with 2/3rds the length of a T50 metal staple. The flattened and shortened staple was sunk and superglued into a hole in the sword hilt while the tip was ground with a dremel to a knife-like shape.
The conversions are from Eagle of Empire Prussian Cuirassiers, using modified Perry Nappy Austrian Cavalry heads. The ‘ankles’ of the horses were quite weak and in places have been reinforced with GS grass. The riders’ torsos are quite samey though separate arms enable different poses.
I’ve assembled two units of 6.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-151022154439-566452145.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-151022154439-566441105.jpeg)
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That works well :)
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Not a bad idea. I was thinking takeing Perry ACW cav and useing thier swords. This is probably a more sturdy conversion
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They look brill now! ;D
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Excellent - high time the bavarians got some mounted support!
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Nice work on those :)
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Thanks all.
I was thinking takeing Perry ACW cav and useing thier swords. This is probably a more sturdy conversion
I did consider a ‘hand with sword’ swap but didn’t have suitable parts; the metal staples are extremely robust but perhaps a little more work.
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Lovely, great conversions. Given the craftsmanship and subject matter it deserves a prize.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3D5yhttEjg
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I do love me some oompah 8)
The Bavarian Cuirassiers are now finished. A reminder that these are conversions of Eagles of Empire Prussians, using Perry Nappy heads and GS.
Two units of 6, representing the 1st Cuirassier Regiment:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-311022184009-567331990.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-311022184009-567342092.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-311022184009-567351331.jpeg)
The force is derived from the 2nd Infantry Division of the 1st Royal Bavarian Army, at the time of the Franco Prussian War. As well as the Cuirassiers, I’ve now completed 2 x 12 of the 12th Infantry Regiment, and 2 x 6 of the 1st Jaeger Battalion.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-311022184009-5673650.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-311022184009-56737934.jpeg)
With 48 minis finished, I have another 72 Infantry, 12 Command and 8 Artillery (1 gun and limber) still to do, so not yet half way there.
Here’s everything finished so far, including the British:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/56/2031-311022184036.jpeg)
Next up will probably be more British Rifle Volunteers (Tower Hamlets) and the German Command.
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Death or glory boys! Forward with the Horse. :D
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Nice work on those 👍
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Huzzah!
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Just went through this thread…and it was an absolute joy! I also like your perspective…smaller games, nicely posed models. Nice! :-*
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Excellent work. The swords really are impressive and look the part.
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Great to see everything together....now let's see it on the table too!
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Thanks chaps. Yes, a game is very much in order.
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The cuirassiers are spectacular :-*
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Thanks chaps. Yes, a game is very much in order.
It certainly is.
The cuirassiers are spectacular :-*
They certainly are :-*
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Your progress is great! Lovely looking figures. Well done!
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What an impressive looking force!
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Thanks folks :D
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Just to demonstrate that this project still lives…. I have made progress with the Bavarian Command & the Tower Hamlets Rifle Volunteers, with both units (6 Bavarian minis, 12 British minis) both finished and prepped for painting (though there’s SciFi ahead of them in the brush queue).
Four of the conversions for the Bavarian Command. The two junior officers and the sergeant have had their ‘waving’ right arms altered for a bit of variety. The commander is the ‘Giants in Miniature’ Prussian General Bismark with a change of hat and arm to become Bavarian.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/58/2031-090223090545-58070503.jpeg)
The Tower Hamlets officer is a conversion of the sergeant figure, of which he is pictured alongside. Unlike the much wealthier Inns of Court unit, the TH officer wears basically the same uniform as the riflemen (none of the fancy lace as the volunteers had to purchase their own).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/58/2031-090223110759.jpeg)
edit to repair broken image link
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Huzzah!
Should really get round to carrying on with mine lol
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Huzzah!
Should really get round to carrying on with mine lol
Yeah!!!! :D
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Excellent! Was wondering where this one had gone, good to see it's still very much alive and kicking.
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Great to see that it's still kicking about. Looking forward to seeing them painted up
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That Bismarck conversion is lovely, Steve :-*
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Cracking stuff. Looking forward to seeing them coloured in
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Thanks folks - I’m very much looking forward to painting these. And when they’re done I already have the next units planned.
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And when they’re done I already have the next units planned.
Somehow I'm not surprised lol
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Somehow I'm not surprised lol
Pssst! Do ya wanna see my spreadsheet?
Seriously though, it’s a project that keeps on giving :-*
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This project has been paused while I pushed forward with 15thC WotR and 17thC Scots plus a bunch of medieval buildings. However, with Captain Blood joining me for a game of 1570s Never Mind The Billhooks in the morning, I thought “why not try an 1870s version in the afternoon?”.
I’m very much a late entrant to NMTBH, and having still only played a couple of games I’m fortunate that Richard will guide me through the nuances of the rules. My ignorance notwithstanding, I very much like NMTBH and am especially taken with its focus on manoeuvring, as for bigger games this provides for a substantive challenge missing from the Rampant stable of rules. I do know that there are much more complex rules available, but them’s not for me.
Anyways, I knocked together some alterations to try and bring a 1570s game into the 1870s, and we played the very first game of Never Mind The Prussians.
BRITISH
Regiment of two Companies of Regular Infantry
Regiment of two Companies of Rifle Volunteers (Green part-timers)
Regiment of two Squadrons of Yoemanry Cavalry (Green part-timers)
BAVARIANS
Regiment of two Companies of Regular Infantry (veterans)
Regiment of two Companies of Skirmishers (veteran Jaegers)
Regiment of two Squadrons of Heavy Cavalry (veteran Cuirassiers)
The scenario was much like the first game I’d played using Rebels & Patriots, but this time the British had to hold a key bridge. A small Bavarian force was advancing north from the South Coast, tasked with taking and holding the bridge for their artillery that would in time be following up. The British objective was decidedly similar, expecting that they would want to move their own artillery south to drive (pummel) the dastardly invaders back into the sea. Should the British not be able to hold the bridge, then their secondary objective was to retire in good order, so as to hold the next bridge behind them.
It’s just after dawn, and all is quiet in the village:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823143913-595931661.jpeg)
Somewhat behind schedule, as a pre-dawn raid would have been better, the Bavarians make a rush for the bridge:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823143914-595951104.jpeg)
Alerted by sentries, the British infantry rush from their overnight lodgings:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823143914-59596459.jpeg)
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While the Bavarians advance at pace, with Infantry heading for the bridge, Skirmishers for the river-side copse, and their heavy Cavalry galloping towards the adjacent ford:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823143914-595971810.jpeg)
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The Bavarian Infantry advance into a hail of red-coated rifle fire:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823144145-596011052.jpeg)
The Bavarian Infantry, rather than moving at speed onto the bridge, pause to exchange rifle fire with the British. Is this incompetence or some clever tactic? Perhaps drawing in the redcoats so that the Skirmishers and Cavalry can continue their flanking manoeuvre?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823143915-5959880.jpeg)
The Bavarians, somewhat weakened by rifle fire, are charged in the flank by the British Light Cavalry:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823144145-596002229.jpeg)
Meanwhile, the Bavarian Skirmishers and Cavalry cross the river:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823144146-596031365.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823153547.jpeg)
Much to Bavarian surprise the British part-timer Rifle Volunteers stand their ground to shoot, causing casualties to the Bavarian Cavalry and breaking the Skirmishers. Meanwhile, the companies of Bavarian Infantry - still short of the bridge - succumb to either the British Infantry’s shooting or the British Cavalry’s sabres, and are lost. All just as the Bavarian Cuirassiers break in amongst the Rifle Volunteers to create havoc:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/59/2031-120823144820-59605365.jpeg)
Without Infantry in support, the Bavarian Cavalry cannot possibly hold the bridge. With the action lost, they will now have to extricate themselves, leaving the British in possession.
A win to the British.
So how did it play? Good in parts. I certainly need to give more thought to some of the intricacies of NMTBH, and how they might need to change as I’m keen to give it another go.
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That all looks marvelous 8)
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Very interesting. Chalk one up for Albion Triumphant!
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Awesomesauce! ;D
Love the Bavarians crossing the river. :-*
Needs more steam tech though ;)
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Twas a good game.
Huzzah for British musketry :D
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Lovely looking game.
Of course it's actually even-Stevens as the Bavarians have netted Harry Kane, the English captain. :)
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Splendid report! Who makes the buildings in the town?
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What a fantastic spectacle, really impressive.
The buildings are from Oshiro with scratchbuild sections by Silent Invader.
You'll find his thread here:
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=141285.15
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Love it all 8)
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Fabulous 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Thanks all!
But absolutely no fanciful Steam Tech!!!! ;D The British didn’t even have explosives with which to blow the bridge as a last resort (such was the chaos after the surprise landings).
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Superb looking game, looks like great fun. :-*
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Again great looking figs and table. And an enjoyable quick looking battle.
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Thanks chaps
The game took less than 2 hours
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Ahhhhhh, a most excellent sight to behold :-* Splendid work!
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Huzzah for British musketry :D
Twas ever thus!
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Thanks chaps :D
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Bavarian Artillery aren’t available in my preferred size and style so I’ve converted a few spare figures.
The gun (Krupp Breechloader) and tools are from Outpost (though I believe that outlet has now closed :( ).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/60/2031-031123182744-605651943.jpeg)
Having ordered multiple packs of the EoE Infantry to form larger units, I had a surplus of officers, sergeants, banner men and drummers.
From left to right, a drummer becomes the Firer with the part from the Outpost kit presumably being a firing cord, the Officer has had his Infantry gorget removed, and the Sergeant has had his rifle replaced with binoculars.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/60/2031-031123182745-605671117.jpeg)
From left to right, a banner bearer has had a headswap and becomes what I think is a Rammer though why a breechloader needs a rammer I’m not entirely sure, another banner bearer becomes the Swab, and a sergeant with head swap and rifle removed becomes the most junior chap with a bucket of water.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/60/2031-031123182744-60566547.jpeg)
Why are they all shouting? Because they’re artillery so all deaf!
One thing I don’t seem to be able to find anything on is how the Krupp breechloader was actually operated. For example, (1) was it fired by a pull cord? and (2) did it really have a rammer and if so why?
Thanks for looking
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Not saying a rammer isn't correct, they still get used on some breechloading pieces, but maybe a trail spike or someone pulling the lanyard would have been a more obvious choice. Nice conversions either way.
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Thanks Carlos. I’ve changed over the rammer for a trail spike which looks a lot more in keeping . 8)
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I asked Michael Perry about the rammer thing and he said that it was still used in breechloading guns; however, firing was by lanyard, rather than the earlier "portfire".
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Why are they all shouting?
Because they're all so happy to be out and about in England's green and pleasant land :D
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Lovely gunners. Now there's something I thought I would never say in my life.
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No politics on this thread please
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Thanks both
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Good work on those gunners :)
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Thanks all. Interesting learning about the rammer still being used on breechloaders, though I have changed it to a trail spike. :)
Completed Bavarian Command
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/60/2031-061123100009-60587777.jpeg)
And completed Bavarian 1st Artillery Regiment
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/60/2031-061123100009-605822429.jpeg)
These were finished very quickly as they’ll be featuring in a game with LAFers/chums, Captain Blood and OSHIRO Model Terrain, today!
EDIT : There are errors; see page 26 for corrections
The table ready and waiting:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/60/2031-061123100119.jpeg)
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Great stuff, inspired conversions for the artillerymen.
Looking forward to seeing the AAR. :)
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A really great-looking table and I see the booze is stacked up ready in the corner! ;)
Will enjoy the AAR, no doubt.
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A really great-looking table and I see the booze is stacked up ready in the corner! ;)
Will enjoy the AAR, no doubt.
Well..he did say James was coming over ;) :)
Yep,minis look great,have a lovely evening,be sure to post lots of pics :)
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and I see the booze is stacked up ready in the corner! ;)
There were so many more under the table :o
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There were so many more under the table :o
One goes to Belgium, one brings back bier! ;) :D
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More seriously, I enjoyed the game and shall put up a short AAR in the next day or so. :D
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Well..he did say James was coming over ;) :)
Nothing wrong with starting to drink as soon as you get there :D
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Nothing wrong with starting to drink as soon as you get there :D
Well...be rude not to ! lol
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More seriously, I enjoyed the game and shall put up a short AAR in the next day or so. :D
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A modest addition.
We played a variant of R&P, wherein arty has a limbered option. To signify the option has been taken, it helps to have a limber on the table. Given the amount of space that a six horse team takes, I decided to portray it with the horses having been untethered.
Unearthing info on the Bavarian Krupp limber was a bit difficult, as all I seemed to find were the Prussian version. However, I did dig up this 19thC painting which shows the gunners seats as having a ‘metal pipe’ frame.
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Raiding the spares box, I found parts from a Perry plastic ACW arty limber which with a few extra bits I assembled to become this:
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Looking good! Nice repurposing of that Perry limber.
Of course sods law means you know that means now they will release a dedicated FPW limber very shortly. lol
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Of course sods law means you know that means now they will release a dedicated FPW limber very shortly. lol
Well, oh well, oh well…..l now discover that Perry have a Bavarian limber and horse team in their Nappy range. It seems close to the 1875 version, so I’ve ordered one! Lol
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I’m not sure how it will compare for size and the drivers will need some changes to ‘1875’ them, but we will see o_o
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Can't wait for the AAR.
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Can't wait for the AAR.
It’s coming…
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The Slaughterhouse Three - AAR
It was a matter of poor timing that just this weekend the Minister of War had been at his Sussex estate. Despite informing his wife that he needed some alone time to catch up on a rather full ‘red box’ of briefing papers, he’d included his mistress in the travelling party. Being a stickler for what is ‘proper’, his Principal Private Secretary had viewed her inclusion with some distaste, but perhaps more importantly he was troubled that of late the Minister’s evident distraction meant that he hadn’t been focussed on recent developments in Europe. Sadly, the Minister’s planned weekend of ‘intense paper work’ had become overtaken by events. With the Germans Forces having made their surprise landing at Worthing and then quickly advanced towards Horsham, the Minister had been forced to scurry from his estate.
The Minister of War, his Personal Private Secretary and his Mistress - The Three - are in hiding in or near a complex of buildings - The Slaughterhouse - on the road between Worthing and Horsham, at the junction with road to Guildford. It’s not known if anyone else is present, but it’s expected that officers from the Sussex Constabulary are also in attendance while Bert and Bertha Mince - the owners of the premises - are described as a feisty, no-nonsense and ‘can’t be told’ couple, with Bertha perhaps being the scariest of them all.
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Though located at a key road junction, The Slaughterhouse is not a huge site. It known to have three main buildings: the Killing Room, the Meat Locker and the Offices; there is also a Tool Shed and a Furnace Room. The civilians WILL be somewhere in The Slaughterhouse.
Being a source of information, both the British and Germans want to find the Minister. However, the commanders of the two opposing forces actually have different objectives, though given the importance of their respective missions, they have also each been instructed that their force is considered expendable.
The rules used were modified Rebels & Patriots, by Leck and Mersey. LAFer Captain Blood played the Germans and Oshiro Model Terrain the British, while I umpired.
The opposing forces arrived at their start lines, though to get things underway each was allowed to position their gun 12” forward.
The British had an initial advantage inasmuch as they started closer to The Slaughterhouse. Their force comprised a mix of regulars (in limited numbers) and volunteers, both with marksmanship a strength, though the volunteers were extremely likely to fold during Fighting. The volunteers had a light gun, which while easily manoeuvrable lacked range and impact.
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The German force was comprised of Bavarian regulars who were veterans of the Franco Prussian War. However this force was disadvantaged by having areas of open ground to cross. The Bavarian troops were more robust than their opponents but due to the regular Infantry being equipped with a lesser quality rifle, they had shorter range. The capability of their Krupp gun significantly exceeded that being used by the British, with the Bavarians also having a limber to hand.
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For much of the game, the British had the initiative. They were fast off their start line, making for The Slaughterhouse while using its buildings as cover, with elements to each flank engaging the Germans with the intent of slowing them up and whittling them down (for which their longer rifle range was extremely useful). The light gun was manhandled up the small hill, to dominate the clear ground to the front of The Slaughterhouse. With the gun positioned at height, the Yeomanry Cavalry provided a screen in front of it.
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With their Commander leading (albeit safely shielded by the looming bulk of The Slaughterhouse) the Bavarians launched forward, with Cuirassiers at their flanks and the Krupp gun being trundled along the lane to quickly bring the enemy in range.
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The British continued their push, in the centre they were closing on The Slaughterhouse and at the flank taking the fight to the Germans.
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Ignoring the accumulating losses on his flanks - especially amongst the Cuirassiers who were shot up before being charged by the much lighter Yoemanry horse - the German Commander pressed forward, into the sheepfold, almost reaching The Slaughterhouse.
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The British centre now comprised a mass of men in the cattle field, who quickly jumped the wall into The Slaughterhouse courtyard, all the time protected by the riflemen on their right flank.
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The Germans pushed right up to The Slaughterhouse perimeter wall…….
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…… while inside the British searched the Meat Locker, finding two officers of the Sussex Constabulary…..
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….. as the British CO (in blue) vaulted the wall to pull the Minister of War from the Toolshed.
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***** CONTINUES ON THE NEXT PAGE *****
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Cracking stuff and thanks again for hosting 8)
Who will win I wonder ???
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Superb stuff. Can’t wait for my Prussians to enter the fight! Can’t let Bavaria take all the glory :)
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Excellent write-up and a fabulous looking game. :-*
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Thanks all.
It was an absolute pleasure to host. :D
Two years and seven months to get from starting this project to the first ‘proper’ game. Not too bad!
Some fine tuning of the rules to follow, then maybe some big field battles and humongous east end street fighting next year. ;D
Can’t wait for my Prussians to enter the fight! Can’t let Bavaria take all the glory :)
They’ll be pretty daunting to face, as they’ll have the shock value of the Bavarians plus the Shooting prowess of the British. :o
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Great stuff ! :)
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Ripping AAR, so far. Agog to see what happens! :-*
then maybe some big field battles and humongous east end street fighting next year
Sounds amazing! :o
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What a cracking table set up! Excellent write up too.
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Thanks chaps. :)
Though it has been pointed out to me that I failed to report on a highlight of the first half of the battle, where, having seen his unit shot to pieces, a sole surviving Bavarian cuirassier on the left flank, drove forward and single handedly engaged, broke and destroyed two - admittedly already mauled - British units, before being finished off by a third. It has been described as a glorious Germanic death, that pretty much cleared that flank with the exception of a late arriving rifle volunteer company. To be fair, it was a pivotal moment :D
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Beautiful looking game and some fast action.
Can’t wait to see the East End street fighting.
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Thanks :D
And on to part 2…….
***** CONTINUING OUR REPORT *****
In the meantime, their left having been devastated by the Krupp gun - including the loss of their light gun - the British reinforced this weakened flank with two units of Rifle Volunteers.
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Hearing the cheers and hurrahs from the other side of the perimeter wall, the German Infantry burst through a side gate, suspecting that the Minister was there to be snatched.
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But the German Infantry unit was routed by a withering hail of rifle fire, leaving their Commander to extract himself to rethink and reorganise his troops, going so far as to order his Artillerymen to leave their gun and join in on the attack. While his remaining Infantry poured fire though the alleyways double gates, units of Bavarian Jaegers had edged around the perimeter wall, with those to his left jumping it to seize the Minister and those on the right edging towards the main gates.
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Meanwhile the Guildford Cricketers - a unit of Rifle Volunteers - quickly searched the Furnace Room and found the somewhat perspiring Mistress, who they extracted with a degree of excitement no less than if they’d hit a 6! However it wasn’t all good cheer, as the British CO was now dead, causing a number of their fellow units to melt away.
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At some point, and recollections differ as to when this was, it had dawned on the British that the Mistress was a German objective. Too late. The Jaegers threaded along the perimeter wall to ‘kick the bloody doors off’ and seized her, destroying the British Volunteers in the process.
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The remaining British Regulars had seized back the Minister and dragging him with them, they jumped over the wall back into the cattle field, attempting to hotfoot his rescue and their escape. But it was not to be, they were shot down to a man, with the Minister taken prisoner and the battlefield left devoid of British troops.
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In the Courtyard, the German Commander introduced himself to the Mistress, whom he would personally escort to the rear. He spoke of how honoured he was to have led the operation to return her to safety. Because as the British had started to realise, she was the German’s primary objective. The Mistress was in actuality the agent Fräulein Wilhelmina Winkelstein, the Emperors most ablest of spies, who had been at the heart of - and in the beds of - British government for the past two years. Her debriefing would be an illumination.
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The British had been determined and had expended themselves to the last man. Though the dutiful regulars and the gallant volunteers had been courageous to the end, ultimately, they had failed. Unable to stop the unending power and weight that was the German war machine, it had rolled over them. And the consequences might be dire: with so much of their intelligence now known to the enemy, what next for the British?
Later that evening, the British Prime Minister spoke to a crowded Houses of Parliament:
“We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We may have been pushed back from the fight on the beaches, but we shall continue the fight in the fields and hills, and then if it comes to it we shall fight in the streets; we shall never surrender. And even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, would carry on the struggle, until, in good time, we are liberated of the impertinence that is this Imperial Germany.”
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Superb AAR. What next for the British indeed?
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Great result for the Fatherland! ;)
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A crackin' read ! :)
Can't wait for the next encounter ;D
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Pipped at the post >:( lol
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Pipped at the post >:( lol
lol Yerrr right lol
Blitzkrieged!
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Blitzkrieged!
And with that hint of Germanic arrogance, it is perhaps time for the Epilogue.
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***** EPILOGUE *****
Less than 24 hours later, and Wilhelmina was back in Berlin. As she was being personally debriefed by none other than Wilhelm I, King of Prussia and Emperor of Germany….
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….. she couldn’t help but allow herself a wry smile.
She knew so much more.
There being what he knows she knows, of course what he knows but she doesn’t know, and then what he doesn’t know but she most assuredly knows.
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Phnar phnar :D
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What a corker! Lovely figures and table and great photos. And to top it off, a great story with a surprise twist. Look forward to more of this.
Doug
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Fantastic AAR and a gorgeous game doesn't even begin to describe it!
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Wonderful! Lovely set up, Steve, and amazing pictures. Well done Captain Blood, for giving Jimbo a good thrashing!
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Great tale, well told.
The restraint in not using cricketing terms to describe the fate of the Guildford lads or to compare their performance to that of the England World Cup squad is commendable. ;)
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Wonderful! Lovely set up, Steve, and amazing pictures. Well done Captain Blood, for giving Jimbo a good thrashing!
Thanks Andy.
He loved it ;)
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Thanks for all the comments :D
He loved it ;)
lol
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He loved it ;)
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The Perry Nappy Bavarian limber arrived and, with its small wheels replaced for larger ones, will work for this later period. The Nappy drivers will need some changes but I think it will be a great improvement on my plastic, cobbled together version.
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Looking good. Keep the plastic one as set dressing on some terrain :)
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A handsome set of wheels (and hooves) :-*
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Thanks chaps
Keep the plastic one as set dressing on some terrain
Good idea. It can become a barricade
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Picture 36 looks very much like a venerable pub in Chester where my wife and I had a couple pints during our recent UK tour. No Bavarians were lurking about then. Lovely scenery and figures.
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I'm a bit late to this party, but so much for "Rule Brittannia"...oh well, maybe next time. But why do I have the feeling that Wilhelmina isn't all she's cracked up to be...
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Thanks folks :D
Who knows what Wilhelmina will reveal, and to whom? Not even me (yet)! ;)
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The horror! :o
In my haste to complete the Bavarian Artillery for the game, I now realise that I painted their belts and straps the wrong colour. o_o
They should be white (but are presently black, like the infantry). Shocking. >:(
Fortunately an easy correction but there’s obvs nothing I can do about the game photos. :-[
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The revised Artillery, complete with longer firing lanyard and a bronzed barrel to the gun
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They look great. ;D
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Lovely "fine tuning" :)
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Thanks chaps!!!
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Yep - nice job on "fixing" that artillery!
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Many thanks….. though I’ve since discovered another omission - the epaulettes - which serves me right for rushing to make them for a game! :o
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Superb work on this thread. Inspired by this topic I thought I would convert some Perry Zulu War figures to represent a battalion of skirmishing cyclist. Various arms and heads were used and the bicycles were 1/64 scale in laser cut cardboard that I found on e-Bay. They were then sent off to Spain and Rafa did. wonderful job.
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Apologies folks, let's have another go with the photos:
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Wow, even toy soldiers holiday in Spain and come back with a bit of colour these days . How did they like Marbella? At least they would have had plenty of leg room on the flight over. :D
Lovely work by the way. Cardboard bicycles sounds intriguing, they certainly look the part whatever the medium.
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Very nice Cuirassier! Must admit I haven’t got any cyclists on my to do list…. I’m now thinking I should rectify that. 8)
Edit: As an aside, I’d often wondered how effective bicycle troops might be (especially given historic cycle technology). Then I happened to watch a Danish WW2 film called 9th April, about a bicycle unit and the role that it played. It was quite an eye opener.
During the night of 9 April 1940, the Danish army is alerted that the German army has crossed the border, and Denmark is now at war with Europe's strongest army. In South Jutland, a Danish bicycle infantry company and motorcycle platoon is ordered to hold off the German advance until reinforcements can arrive but are quickly overwhelmed by superior German forces.
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I would have never guessed those were cardboard. They look great!
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Those cyclists are great. What a super idea. :-*
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They look brilliant Jonathan 8)
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Thanks chaps - its really just to give a bit of atmosphere and I really wanted the "horse-holder" bases with the bicycles of the deployed unit.
I actually got the bikes here:
https://www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/lx041-50-bicycles-pack-of-14-150-1825-p.asp
And for reference:[img][img]
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Thanks. I did do some cursory research this evening and was surprised to learn that what we know as a bicycle didn’t start to appear until around 1885. Unfortunately a bit too late for my project (even though I’ve played a bit fast and loose with the date of the British helmets) ….. ah well. :(
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Yes you are quite correct regarding timeframe but I am kind of pursuing a slightly different path with lots of mildly futuristic things
based on the writings of the French military futurist Captain Danrit set out in his three-volume "La Guerre de Demain".
JM
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:)
Meantime, back at the workbench I’ve spent more than enough time assembling the myriad of parts that comprise the Perry metal Nappy limber. It’s coming together though I need to add the horses and traces.
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The arm and backrest bar seems high to me so I’ll probably drop it a bit
I did swap out the Nappy wheels for a larger pair and with it sitting higher it does have some limited elements of similarity with the plastic version I’d previously cobbled together.
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Exquisite work as usual!
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:)
A little bit of progress with some Field Engineer conversions.
By the by, the Eagles of Empires Bavarian infantry come in packs of 16 (an officer, drummer, flag bearer, NCO and 12 rifles) but in using a derivative of Rebels and Patriots, each of the regiments that I’m portraying comprises 2 units of 12, so in total the 4 characters in brackets plus 20 rifles). As I’m fielding 4 regiments of infantry, I’ve needed to buy multiple packs resulting in a few spares, mostly of officers, drummers, flag bearers and sergeants. In the main, it’s these spares that have provided the conversion fodder for my 6-man units, the command and the artillery crew, though these engineers are mostly made from surplus riflemen .
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After raiding the spares box for suitable tools, I have:
Hammer and crowbar
Two-handed axe
Sledgehammer
Consulting a map or schematic
Shovel
Barrel (perhaps of gunpowder)
Obvs a bit of GS work to do, but they’ll hopefully soon be in play as a proposed scenario involves the railway line from Worthing to Horsham and a blown bridge.
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Splendid! Liking these. ;D
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Really clever conversions. I was a bit put off by their range since I bought the Bavarians in greatcoats and found them significantly larger than some of their other figures.
have now received my cyclists - a few additional photos of the unit as a whole.
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Thanks chaps. The Greatcoated Bavarians aren’t for me as I like the full on cornflower blue summer uniform. (I did buy a French Officer from EoE to use as a British Rifle Volunteers captain and he was much much smaller, which surprised me)
Anyways, back to the topic in hand which is the OOB for the Bavarians and how it’s influencing the force composition for my project.
I’m using the list from 1870, and planning to field the units in bold red:
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EDIT: From October 1870, a single battery of four pieces of Feldle Kartätschgeschütze (machine guns) was allocated to each of the two Bavarian army corps.
I have most of the figures in the lead pile, but will need another 3 packs of infantry, which will take me from 150 to 198 figures available to deploy.
This is with the units represented as follows:
6 Figs = Command Group
12 Figs = 1x Infantry Battalion
12 Figs = 1x Jäger Battalion (deployed as two units of 6)
6 Figs = 2x Cavalry Squadrons
6 Figs = 2x Artillery Batteries (+1 gun +1 limber)
6 Figs = 1x Engineer Company
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More Bavarians have made it to the painting table.
First up the limber for the medium gun:
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I converted the Perry Nappy limber and drivers by:
Dropping the seat backrest rail
Swapping out the wheels for larger ones closer to the gun it serves
Changing the jackets and trousers (including adding the leather ‘chaps’), and adding haversacks
Adding the braking chain to the rear horses and the leads to the front horses
Adding the traces that connect horse harness and swiggle
(With thanks to Malamute for his guidance)
I also added epaulettes to the previously painted gun crew, as I’d stupidly omitted them. However, I haven’t given the artillery red hat plumes, given they were ordered to remove them during the FPW to avoid confusion with the French.
Next up are the engineers with added GS:
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Additions included remaking tunics and hands/arms as necessary, plus the addition of epaulettes and hat plumes.
Finally a second infantry regiment with two battalions of 12 men each:
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These have only minor charges to the officers hand and the sergeants arm. Regarding the flag bannerman, the seated lion atop the flagpole started off as a standing lion from a Perry plastic kit.
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Cracking work on the limber. :)
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Agreed. The limber looks fabulous. That’s going to be a great addition :-*
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Brill 8)
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Thanks all. Am very pleased with the limber though it’s proving a bugger to paint !
In other news, I’ve taken the plunge and added machine guns (ok, manually operated volley guns) to my embryonic rules: the Gatling Gun, Reffye Mitrailleuse, and Feldle Kartätschgeschütze.
When the time comes, I know I can get the British (American) and French guns from the Perrys, but I’ll also want my Bavarians to have one of these:
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Any thoughts on a supplier or will I have to scratchbuild?
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Looks very much like a Nordenfeld or Gardner gun.
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You could proxy it with a Nordenfelt or a Gardner gun but having looked at a couple of photos of the real item I reckon you'll need to scratch build it if you want faithful scale replica. Shouldn't be too hard, the carriage seems pretty simple and it's only got four barrels. Two magazines per barrel apparently.
Look forward to seeing it.
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Thanks both.
The Nordenfeldt proxy is a good suggestion, inasmuch as casual observers might assume a carefully built replica of the Kartätschgeschütze to be a Nordenfeldt!
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I’ve made compromises in other conversions and scratch builds for the project, where it’s made good sense to do so, so the use of a proxy has its draw. But given a Kartätschgeschütze - as far as I can tell - isn’t presently available in 1/56 I’d really quite like to give it a go.
By late 1870, 8 guns had been issued, with a battery of 4 guns and then later a total of six being allocated to each of the two Bavarian Corps. So for my Bavarian force, that’d be 1 battery of 1 gun, so quite literally a one-off build/conversion.
Of course if I can find a Nordenfeldt STL then I might be able to resize and redraw that, which would be useful if I decide I want more than the one.
The crew will also need a fair bit of work, especially the seated gunner, as I’m not aware of anything suitable for him.
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I might just give that a go Carlos
In other developments, research for the Field Engineers revealed even more failings in my ‘completed’ Artillery crew. I’m now content that the conversions are as close as I’m going to get them.
A fresh photo-shoot for the file, just about showing that the ORs have now had their shoulder wings removed and replaced with epaulettes and brass shoulder scales. The officer, however, has had a quite a bit of extra work, including removal of the infantry officer equipment, the addition of the riveted carabiner strap and pouch, and the the addition of riding ‘chaps’.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-051223102941-610181744.jpeg)
This is the fifth version of the EoE Officer I’ve completed, and I’ve only just realised that all of them have been converted in some way. The closest to the original is the Jäger (green facings) as he’s merely had a short plume added to the side of his helmet.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-051223102941-610172461.jpeg)
I’ve another four officers to complete (currently working on the 3rd Infantry, with red facings, who is also a conversion) so I should make sure at least one of them is painted in its ‘pure’ form.
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Those look bloody good!
I suspect the way this is going you'll be wanting a bridging train as well as some siege artillery at some point. Everyone loves a beeg gun and a pontoon bridge.
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Very impressive contingent - they do look seriously menacing! Beautiful sclpts and great paintjobs! :-*
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Top job 👍
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Lovely :)
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Thanks all. The Eagles of Empires minis are a joy to paint.
I suspect the way this is going you'll be wanting a bridging train as well as some siege artillery at some point. Everyone loves a beeg gun and a pontoon bridge.
lol Quite probably, though at the mo I don’t have any rivers wide enough to justify a pontoon bridge. :D
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Excellent. :)
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Thanks Nick
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A slightly different update, simply to flag that I have started a blog for this Before & After Dorking project.
https://badorking.blogspot.com/ (https://badorking.blogspot.com/)
While this thread is my somewhat haphazardly accumulating plog, the blog will be my repository for finished - rather than WIP - content.
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Ooh bicycles, those lazer cut mdf whotsits don't look half bad Steve.
They could easily see double use for a bike race mini game ;)
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The blog is coming together nicely. :)
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Thank you!
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Sone great content on there too. :)
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Thanks Nick. Next up will be adding the completed British units, then I’ll be up to date and can get back to painting.
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It’s coming along nicely :)
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A belated thank you :)
Not much physical progress in the last few weeks but I have made advances on the digital front, including more material added to the blog and drafting up of the Bavarian Feldle machine gun.
It’s not all my own work, as I started with a paid-for STL of a Nordenfeldt. It’s quite a simple drawing, so I might embellish it some what in due course.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-291223235959-61202804.jpeg)
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It’s not going to be 100% as I was working off a few photos rather than plans, but with a seated soldier I’m hoping it will look the part.
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Looks the business, but let’s see how it performs on the table… when will it jam? lol
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First turn >:D
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Yeah probably :)
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Ain't that how it always goes?
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Apparently it was quite unreliable; the bullets were gravity fed and moving the gun while it was loaded could lead to a jammed barrel. :-[
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Weapon fires, weapon stops. Carry out the IA!
Each time the gun fires, roll an additional D6, reliability die.
On a result of 1-6 the gun jams. ;)
On the following turn the crew may attempt to clear the stoppage. Roll a D6. On a 6 the gun is US and unable to be repaired without recourse to armourers, four pound mallets and a jolly good look at the warranty. A roll of 1 to 5 indicates the number of turns spent swearing and cursing as the gun is put back into action.
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Lol something like that
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A brief update to confirm that the blog is now up to date with all of the completed content having been added (the 27 pages in blue):
www.badorking.blogspot.com (http://www.badorking.blogspot.com)
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Following on from the above, current WIP items are:
~ Bavarian infantry (24 figures)
~ Bavarian engineers
~ Bavarian artillery limber
~ Bavarian Feldl MG print
~ British Tower Hamlets Rifle Volunteers
After that lot I’ll probably work on:
~ Bavarian Chevaulegers
~ British 1st Lifeguards heavy cavalry
~ British infantry (24 figures)
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Preliminary discussion on Bavarian auxiliary troops (medics, supply, railway police) at this page :
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=144298.msg1842182#msg1842182 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=144298.msg1842182#msg1842182)
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Brought forward from the other thread:
In my effort to include a bit of everything in my 1870-1875 Bavarian Army, I want to include notional units of
Sanitäts (doctor, medics and possibly nurses)
Supply train
Field Railway Department
Info and sources on the Bavarians (not the Prussians or other states ;)) would be very much appreciated.
I’ve read that the railway troops wore the darker blue uniform of the artillery and field engineers, but have no idea of facings or plumes if any. For supply column I have no idea. Regarding the medical staff, if by 1873 the officer was in dark blue then I’d hazard a guess that so were the other ranks, but it’d be nice to be sure. :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-230124095905.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-230124095017.jpeg) :D
This may help.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/59568506@N02/albums/72157706401315091/
But it doesn't have that much on auxiliary troops. That's a tough one to find.
Thanks very much. That’s a really useful resource though as you suggest, it doesn’t really cover the auxiliary troops. However, I’ve had some luck as I’ve found this, which shows what i believe is a medical orderly:
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This would seem to confirm that in 1870 the dark blue was being worn by medical units, which is what I shall go with.
EDIT
While the Bavarian medic Max Lehner doesn’t appear to be wearing a Red Cross armband, there are plenty of images of Prussians wearing them in 1870.
Prussia adopted the first Geneva Convention in 1864, with Bavaria doing so in 1866. As such it seems reasonable to assume that by 1870 the Bavarians were also wearing the armband in the field.
/EDIT
If the supply wagon is an ammo caisson , then it seems likely that the crew would be in artillery dark blue, which would seem to cover it.
Many thanks.
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fascinating stuff. :)
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Great project
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Thanks folks. :)
As regards ammo supply, I now have the Worth book by Henderson, which shows what appears to be a 2-wheeled variant being used by the Prussians. Alternatively it could be the gun limber.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-260124090844.jpeg)
I’ve ordered the Osprey FPW Prussian book, to see if that will throw further light on the contraption.
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Absolutely fabulous thread! Everything about it is to be lauded, figures, painting, buildings, table AAR! The list is endless. I feel you're Brits are lacking a wee bit of class in the rifle volunteers, a battalion of grey coated and kilted highlanders, in the form of the 7th or 14th Middlesex (London Scottish) would rectify that problem and allow the Brits to win all the time lol
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Thanks and yes, Scots are presently sorely lacking but most certainly planned! 8)
There’s been a bit of delay to painting progress but more Bavarians should be finished soon. After which the Household Cavalry will probably be worked on. :)
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Some finished minis to add to the force:
Artillery limber for the 6 pounder gun battery (the gun is also new, as I’m now using the Perry models). The limber is converted from the Perry Nappy version…. The drivers’ helmets are a bit big but I don’t think it particularly notices. The foot crew are Eagle of Empires conversions and have been shown before.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-030324191544-6189113.jpeg)
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A company of Engineers, ostensibly pioneers but they can do anything and everything. Converted from various Eagle of Empires Bavarian infantry.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/2031-030324191544-619011993.jpeg)
Two battalions (12 figures each) of the 3rd Infantry Regiment. All by Eagle of Empires. The officer has been converted to include a pistol and the flag has been repainted to include the correct monogram.
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And the full force - 78 minis finished and shown, 134 still in the lead pile!
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Absolutely fantastic collection! I love watching it grow!
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Wow! ;D
They look terrific :-*
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Steve what a force! The limber looks amazing, what a piece.
It's amazing how you convert them to be different and endividual characters, that no 2 are the same. Just amazing mate 8)
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That's hugely impressive! The amount of research and conversion work is inspirational.
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Great update 👍
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Fabulous looking force!
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I'm looking forward to seeing the 5th (Plaistow) Essex Volunteer Rifle Corps. Can't wait to see my home town represented :D
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I was hoping we would see an appearance of Da Staines Massiv (Staines and Egham Stockbrokers' Rifles).
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This continues to be inspirational. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing it.
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Lovely :)
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Thanks all. Your comments are very much appreciated.
Probably the British Lifeguards and Bavarian Chevaulegers next, plus some British foot. I see much red paint in my future (and a bit of green).
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I'm looking forward to seeing the 5th (Plaistow) Essex Volunteer Rifle Corps. Can't wait to see my home town represented :D
One of the best things with this project is delving into the quirky little units. I mostly choose units that fit with the back story and which I can find uniform details for. Plaistow is a little different, in as much as it’s been chosen because of a family connection, but I have yet to find the uniform style though I know the colour to have been rifle green. More searching to do!
In the meantime, here’s a little bit of the Plaistow RVC history:
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Lovely units you have there. Well done!
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Brilliant!! Thanks for the history.
One of the best things with this project is delving into the quirky little units. I mostly choose units that fit with the back story and which I can find uniform details for. Plaistow is a little different, in as much as it’s been chosen because of a family connection....
There was still a 'Rifles' presence when I left the area in 1984, in the form of G Coy, 4 RGJ based at The Portway. If they are still there I suspect they are now part of 'The Rifles'
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Brilliant!! Thanks for the history.
There was still a 'Rifles' presence when I left the area in 1984, in the form of G Coy, 4 RGJ based at The Portway. If they are still there I suspect they are now part of 'The Rifles'
Very interesting because…..
In February 1885 the 3rd Battalion (ie the redesignated 5th Plaistow) moved its headquarters to The Cedars, a large house on the Portway in West Ham which had previously been home to the Prison Reformer Elizabeth Fry.
On the formation of the Territorial Force in 1908, the 3rd Volunteer Battalion became the 6th Battalion, Essex Regiment, which comprised a Headquarters and seven Rifle Companies, "A" to "G" based at The Cedars, with its final Company, "H," being raised at Southend-on-Sea. In 1911, parts of H Company relocated to the Drill Hall at 110 East Street, Prittlewell (where decades later I paraded as an Army Cadet).
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I’ve now added the Bavarian 3rd IR and Engineers to the project blog (I’ve also updated the Bavarian foot artillery page)
https://badorking.blogspot.com/ (https://badorking.blogspot.com/)
Selecting the contents page from the link in the header bar will ease navigation.
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Excellent info. I was an Army Cadet at 16 Coy (LRB) RGJ, later 36 Coy RGJ, from 1977-83 at the Cedars. Don't recall a big house but there were 3-4 more modern buildings in the complex that housed the permanent staff for the TA unit. The Drill Hall complex butts against West Ham Park and is visible on Google Earth.
In February 1885 the 3rd Battalion (ie the redesignated 5th Plaistow) moved its headquarters to The Cedars, a large house on the Portway in West Ham which had previously been home to the Prison Reformer Elizabeth Fry.
On the formation of the Territorial Force in 1908, the 3rd Volunteer Battalion became the 6th Battalion, Essex Regiment, which comprised a Headquarters and seven Rifle Companies, "A" to "G" based at The Cedars, with its final Company, "H," being raised at Southend-on-Sea. In 1911, parts of H Company relocated to the Drill Hall at 110 East Street, Prittlewell (where decades later I paraded as an Army Cadet).]
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Fascinating stuff (and another reason why I really enjoy this project, which isn’t just about the minis :)).
So the companies at Portway eventually became part of the RGJ while H company out in Prittlewell (Southend-on-sea) after being retasked as signals for the Essex Regiment became Royal Signals.
So both of our Army Cadet units had the 5th Plaistow as forebears. Small world!
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The next regiment being worked on is the Bavarian Chevaleugers (dragoons). As far as I am aware, in 28mm these are only available from Foundry (too small) and Bavarian Miniatures (3D Printed). To match the sizing of my collection, I’ve elected to convert them from Perry metal Prussian Uhlans.
It’s required the removal of some metal, the relocation of some parts, and of course finding donor heads and carbines. I’ve now finished the basics but have a fair amount of detail to add back with GS.
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Apart from the leader and trumpeter, all have carbine in hand.
While working on these I’m also prepping the British Lifeguards, which have been sourced from Northstar. However the NS horses are quite parade ground and so wanting something a bit more dynamic I’m in the throes of swapping them out for Perry plastic Nappy horses.
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It’s taken longer but was a lot less effort than expected to finish converting the British Lifeguards. The conversion was for less of a parade ground look.
A few mould lines still to remove, but this is them:
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I’ve also prepped 10 casualty figures and 16 of 6 figure movement trays though have only just started the GS work on the Chevaleugers.
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Nice. Who makes the Lifeguards?
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Nice. Who makes the Lifeguards?
Well that’s a good question. I bought them from Northstar in June 2022 (yes, they’ve been waiting) but they don’t seem to be listed now. From June 2022:
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Those are very well done and are going to look splendid when painted.
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They look great! Cracking conversion work! :)
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:) Thanks guys
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Love the conversions Steve - your thread continues to inspire 8)
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Splendid, they should look lovely when painted :-*