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Title: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on April 13, 2021, 07:02:19 PM
I'm looking forward to taking part in this year's Build Something contest. For now I'm just making this as a placeholder while I consider what I want to build. I have a couple ideas I'm kicking around but nothing concrete yet. I'll update the thread as appropriate when I figure things out.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 04, 2021, 12:06:12 AM
I haven't (completely) forgotten about the BSC. I got very busy in May and progress has been slow on my build. I haven't got around to posting about it but I'm nearing completion just ahead of the deadline this weekend. I will provide some in progress pictures of my build soon enough. I'm looking forward to seeing what the other entrants have done!
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Codsticker on June 04, 2021, 02:10:31 PM
Great to hear you are hard at her still.  :)
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Admiral Alder on June 04, 2021, 10:20:17 PM
Cahrn - same thing happened to my project who would have thought May would fly by!

Looking forwards to seeing your entry!
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 05, 2021, 01:02:34 AM
Great to hear you are hard at her still.  :)

Indeed. I wrapped up two pieces today, which I will refrain from posting. I decided to make some bocage/hedgerows after mulling the possibilities for a while. Not exactly the most "difficult" of difficult terrain, but it's definitely difficult to traverse. I want to try to keep things playable and useful for a variety of systems and eras.

Cahrn - same thing happened to my project who would have thought May would fly by!

Looking forwards to seeing your entry!

Real life took over a bit in May and I spent my available hobby time mostly working on some other projects.
Here's an in progress picture of the bases I made. Time permitting I would like to build more.
(https://i.imgur.com/3qPJBwj.jpg)
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 05, 2021, 10:05:59 AM
That is a good start - carry on ;)
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Codsticker on June 06, 2021, 04:16:59 AM
I like your hurdle work.*thumbs up*
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: AKULA on June 06, 2021, 08:49:07 AM
A good start - look forward to seeing more  :)
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 07, 2021, 08:30:23 AM
Thanks all. Given the extended due date I’m going to be able to knock out another piece or two before all is said and done. I know we’re not to show completed pictures until the competition is over but I’ll try to add some more pictures to this thread as appropriate in the coming days.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Clach Umha on June 08, 2021, 04:44:48 PM
Really like the wicker fencing Cahrn, looks great man  8)

Nice undulations & elevations there too :)

Good ground form, very cool.

Is that poly sheet you have built it on or an aluminium sheet?

Apologies but my eyes are not giving it away to me.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 08, 2021, 08:13:58 PM
Thanks Clach Umha. I used to be able to get off cuts of plastic board from my local plastic dealer to base my terrain on but I haven't been able to do that for a couple of years. Now I just buy the occasional 4'x4' sheet of 1/16th inch styrene sheet for about $30 for my basing needs. The basic form is built up with some scraps of 1" insulation foam and smoothed out with some of the modelling compound from Geek Gaming Scenics (nothing special about the GGS stuff, I just happened to have a bag at hand when I started this project). In some areas I added AK Terrain mud effect for some finer texture. I make the wicker fence with wooden matchstick posts and floral wire ties. It's super easy and produces a good enough result for gaming terrain. Here are two pictures: one is the next section of bocage I'm making for BSC I've yet to prime and paint, and the other is some more wicker fencing I built a couple years ago.

(https://i.imgur.com/DRbwgyG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RcoN0Af.jpg)
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Clach Umha on June 09, 2021, 09:58:33 PM
Most welcome Cahrn.

It's a thing that now isn't it. I remember I used to be able to do the same with so many various materials from a plethora of merchants, though seems gone are those days sadly. Used to get some crackin bits of perspex, styrene, acrylis & even Lexan as off-cuts for free. Ach well eh.

That's cool though & good way to go about it. Plenty stock to hand there for you then :) Damn good price too.

So what exactly is the modelling compund (excuse my lazyness not searching for it). Is it a light weight paper/clay/plaster blend type stuff you mix up yourself? How long does it take to dry if so at median thickness of 0.5-1cm?

Those pieces are great man. Love the wee wicker fancing ones especially. Like the texture on the earth & grass drybrushed, very neat, has a proper old school gamer vibe about it, but realistic, & I don't use the term 'old school' in a derogatory sense, I mean it complimentary.

I can see it now, the twisty wire :) Had to peer close there lol  Totally convincing even after the fact of knowing what the wire is :)

Well, I await your final pics Cahrn, & from what you showed me there I think they will excellent man :)

Cheers.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 10, 2021, 05:59:00 PM

I'm sure my plastic dealer still has their scrap bin, but when I went to pick up some supplies about a year ago access to the interior of their store was restricted per local public health guidelines. Sometimes they'd charge me for scraps in the past, sometimes not, but never more than a couple bucks. As for the modelling compound to the best of my knowledge it is basically a paper pulp and plaster mixture. It dries enough to retain its form fairly quickly but I usually leave a piece out in the sun for several hours to help the process along. Depending on how wet you prefer to mix the compound I'd say a 1cm layer would give you about 20-30 minutes of working time before it firmed up and after a couple hours it might be dry enough to work on top of without major issue.

Right now I'm messing around with making a couple of wire tree armatures to go on these pieces, however they're not really turning out the way I want them to. I probably won't end up using them for this project. Thanks again for the kind words Clach Umha. I hope you enjoy the final product.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Clach Umha on June 10, 2021, 10:17:01 PM
Of course, aye, I was forgetting about all the shennanigins (short memory me obviously) & they would be having to submit to an LPHG. Decent of them past tense to prop you some freebies though, or for the couple of $$. Works out well for both parties that way anyway, in lots of respects, I think some companies forget that now, or their bound by some statutes of some kind they fear of bending.

Thanks for that Cahrn, I thought as much. I've considered getting that type of stuff to play around with, or even getting tho old blender out & giving it a bash myself, with kitchen roll, an alpha plaster, maybe some poly fibres too, & some powder pva (which is no easy feat to get nowadays after the UK glue sniffing craze by youthful ejits back in the 70s & 80s & along side other premix solvent bases they near enough banned it for a long while unless hard proof of trade shown at purchase, but you can still get it now, just old an fashioned medium I suppose for most workers so less common). About a decade ago I did some flat plate sculptures with compressed recycled raw paper pulp, no added binders, in molds, but it's so damn time consuming (was looking for an 'eco friendly' biodegraable medium for a particular line I was working on at the time) that I haven't revisited it again seriously. Maybe I should though.

However, as you note the working times, which is farely extensive by what I'm used to outside of any clay types I use, I might just give that stuff shot in the near future :) Could be very advantageous material indeed, thanks man.

No biggee, just put them aside for another project, a second time look from now, they might be better than you thought or you'll see what needs fixin. Works for me 9 out of 10 times lol. Could always prop them into a seperate thread on the workbench, get some feedback on them. I'm sure Codsticker made one for his build, see what he thinks. He was rumminating the merits of his tree too, but it looked fine to everyone else :) Anyway, you'll know what's best for your gear & to your eye.

As said before Cahrn, genuinely, most welcome man, & from what you showed me earlier I've no doubt at all I will enjoy the final shibang :)

Nice having a natter, cheers.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 11, 2021, 06:27:11 AM
And here's my corner piece with some brown base color on it, plus a little drybrushing to bring out some visual interest. It seems a bit dark compared to the other pieces I've already finished, so it might need another lighter brown coat to bring everything together.

(https://i.imgur.com/MahNgAV.jpg)

Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Clach Umha on June 11, 2021, 06:32:59 AM
Looks Great Cahrn  8)

Really the colours & the texture on it man.

Super cool :)
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: mikedemana on June 19, 2021, 05:27:35 PM
Thanks Clach Umha. I used to be able to get off cuts of plastic board from my local plastic dealer to base my terrain on but I haven't been able to do that for a couple of years. Now I just buy the occasional 4'x4' sheet of 1/16th inch styrene sheet for about $30 for my basing needs.

Does anyone know of a source or sources in the U.S. for styrene plastic sheets? The local hobby stores carry only 6"x12" sections, and I'm looking for something bigger.

Great, functional pieces, by the way!

Mike Demana
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: pistolpete on June 19, 2021, 11:40:16 PM
MikeDemana try home depot for some signs, like the “for sale” ones. I think they’re styrene but might be thicker than you want.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 20, 2021, 03:55:33 AM
Does anyone know of a source or sources in the U.S. for styrene plastic sheets? The local hobby stores carry only 6"x12" sections, and I'm looking for something bigger.

Great, functional pieces, by the way!

Mike Demana
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

Hey Mike, not sure where you live in the US but I would imagine there is a local or regional plastics dealer. Where I live on the west coast we have a dealer called TAP Plastics. I'm not sure what to suggest beyond checking out what might be nearby on Google.  Also, as pistolpete has suggested you might be able to find larger styrene sheets available for order at a local big box diy store like Home Depot or Lowes.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: Wirelizard on June 20, 2021, 06:08:32 PM
Does anyone know of a source or sources in the U.S. for styrene plastic sheets? The local hobby stores carry only 6"x12" sections, and I'm looking for something bigger.

As others have said, look locally for signmakers and/or industrial plastics suppliers. The local chain for me happens to actually be called "Industrial Paint & Plastic" and they sell 4 foot by 3 foot sheets of styrene in either .030 or .040 inch for not a lot. It's been a couple years since I bought my last sheet but I think I paid under $30 Canadian, which given what the hobby shops want for an 8x10 or smaller sheet of Evergreen is a screaming bargin. I'm sure prices have gone up, I've just used the last substantial piece of my last big styrene sheet for my BSC project so I'll be shopping again very soon.
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: mikedemana on June 22, 2021, 02:42:22 AM
Thanks for the responses, everyone! And Cahrn - sorry for the threadjack!  lol

Mike Demana
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: bsc2021 cahrn difficult terrain
Post by: cahrn on June 22, 2021, 07:50:38 PM
Thanks for the responses, everyone! And Cahrn - sorry for the threadjack!  lol

Mike Demana
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

No worries. Hopefully you are able to find a suitable material dealer near your location.