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Title: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 12, 2009, 02:06:09 PM
So...there I was the other day thinking, what am I going to do with this Destroyer i've built:

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040091-1.jpg)

Then the thought hit me - it could be an escort!

I looked at the various options, and the one that really struck a chord was HMS Argus.  For those that aren't familiar with it, HMS Argus was originally laid down in 1914 as the Italian Cruise liner Conte Rosso, but was purchased by the Royal Navy, and converted into the first flush deck carrier, being commissioned in September 1918.  In the late 1920's, she became a training carrier a role she would still have been in, in 1938, and therefore ideal for my VBCW campaign.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/argus_unk_a.jpg)

(Source:MaritimeQuest)
http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/pages/aircraft_carriers/hms_argus_d49.htm

Other plus points are her size - only 560' long, so a mere 10 foot in length, rather than 15 foot (which is how long the large RN/USN carriers would be).  For me, the lack of a big bridge structure was a plus - the Argus has a retractable chart house, that could be lowered during flight operations!  Finally, the last refit in 1936 saw most of its armament removed, meaning that i've got a free hand when it comes to what I arm her with for 1938.

Crew: 400 (vs 1200+ for larger carriers)
Aircraft: 18-20

For the rivet counters, I should probably add at this point, that i'm planning to build something that looks a bit like it, but not an accurate model, down to every last rivet!  ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Geudens on September 12, 2009, 02:11:08 PM
Right mate, beware of those nice young men in their clean white coats: the're coming to take you away...  lol

Rudi
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: uti long smile on September 12, 2009, 02:37:24 PM
That's very nice! Any more pics?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 12, 2009, 04:10:31 PM
That's very nice! Any more pics?

The Destroyer is on the following thread:

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=12196.0

I'll post some more photos of my WIP, as I go - started it about 10 days ago, so will take some photos later on today of my little carrier.

 :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: voltan on September 12, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
do a dreadnought aswell
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: answer_is_42 on September 12, 2009, 05:11:50 PM
Blimey. I'll be watching this.
I suppose then you'll need a couple more escorts, perhaps a light cruiser, and then an oil tanker and supply ship. Once that's all done, what will they fight? How about some German or French ships?  lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 12, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
One thing I'll need, is a REALLY BIG TABLE!

 lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 12, 2009, 06:46:57 PM
OK, got some photos done of where i've got to so far....did I forget to mention that I started working on the carrier, about 10 days ago....?

 lol

Base is 6mm MDF, hull is high density polysterene, as per the Destroyer, flight deck will also be 6mm MDF.

Its in 3 sections, for storage, and transport:

Bow Section
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040128-1.jpg)

The opening a third of the way in from the left would have held a 4" gun before the refit - undecided yet on what will be there.  That small dot, on the flight deck about halfway across....is a 28mm figure!

Middle Section
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040129-1.jpg)

The 4th layer is recessed, on the middle section, to allow for a walkway, there will eventually be plenty of liferafts/girders and other junk in this area.

Stern
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040130-1.jpg)

The will be two cranes underneath the flight deck (where the spray can lid is), which were used to allow seaplanes to be brought on board - underneath the flight deck there is a large open hanger.

Forward Hanger/Elevator
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040133.jpg)

Slightly enlarged, so that is can hold a 1/48th Blackburn Skua Divebomber - the deck section will be a separate piece that can be lifted off.


Aft Hanger/Elevator
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040134.jpg)

Odd shape - this lift was presumably for planes with folding wings, or for munitions etc.

All 3 sections together:

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040127-1.jpg)

The flight deck isn't stuck down yet (the tub of filler is only there to keep the flight deck in place for the photo) - will coat the hull in filler/PVA glue and then sand, before attacking the deck, and then fill in any gaps.

 :)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: uti long smile on September 12, 2009, 07:12:33 PM
Jeez.. we're gonna need a bigger boat... :o
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: gamer Mac on September 12, 2009, 07:34:34 PM
You are bonkers :o :o :o
Wll be looking forward to the WIP.
Have you got planes already or are you going to scratch build them too.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Michi on September 12, 2009, 07:48:32 PM
It´s a shame you are so far away from me. We should team up for north atlantic convoys and get Marco to sneak attack us with his new U-Boat. I bet your torpedo bombers will give him hell while I deliver my load securely...
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 12, 2009, 07:52:20 PM
did he write 10 foot?
did You write 10 foot? - like 300 cm?

why don't You build it as a gaming table? complete with port equipment?

do You live in a palace? can I have a room?

you just gave me an idea

I usually intended to be cremated when dead, but I could be buried in a 28mm model of the USS Nimitz

I shall start building know, I am already 41 and it will take some time.... ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 12, 2009, 08:09:32 PM
Somebody PM'ed me, asking for a photo with a ruler, for scale....

....haven't got a ruler long enough, so here is a 4 foot destroyer instead!

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040131-1.jpg)

 lol

The carrier is indeed ten foot long.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 12, 2009, 08:14:38 PM
Have you got planes already or are you going to scratch build them too.

Am going to use 1/48th planes - so far i've got a fair few (unmade) kits - Blackburn Skua fighter/divebombers, a swordfish, and a gloster gladiator.  As it is a training carrier, i've given myself a bit of leeway.

It´s a shame you are so far away from me. We should team up for north atlantic convoys and get Marco to sneak attack us with his new U-Boat.

Would be good, wouldn't it?

 lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: voltan on September 12, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
just had an idea to show the scale, we just need to know how tall you are and wether there's anyone else there to take a photo
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: answer_is_42 on September 12, 2009, 08:42:17 PM
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040131-1.jpg)
Oh. F**k.
It's beautiful.

You're going to need more than one escort to protect that...

Edit; 'The Cult of Akula' does have a certian ring to it.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Captain Blood on September 12, 2009, 08:54:22 PM
Bloody bleeding hell! You are absolutely bonkers  o_o
Where the hell are you going to put it?  lol

Your fearless ambition is inspiring.

Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Lowtardog on September 12, 2009, 09:06:10 PM
Mad as a box of frogs...fantastic but mad :-*
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: fastolfrus on September 12, 2009, 11:27:30 PM
Awesome.

There was a participation game (about 20 years ago) that featured an aircraft carrier with 1/72 scale kamikaze planes.

If you want to see bigger boats - have you seen these :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7R6Pf7fZdI

They're about 18-20 feet long

http://www.peasholmpark.com/content/view/9/9/
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: gamer Mac on September 12, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
One of my favorite memories from my childhood. Last time I seen, it a couple of years ago, didn't seem quite a special.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Dan on September 13, 2009, 12:14:43 AM
Insane , but I like it  :-*
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Chuckaroobob on September 13, 2009, 03:45:16 AM
 :o
There once was a time when I considered myself a hardcore wargamer, but I am a mere babe in the woods compared to you.  I live in your shadow!

And yeah, you might as well build a dreadnought next.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Vanvlak on September 13, 2009, 11:20:07 AM
Good grief, old Fighting Flat-Iron herself, that old thing ferried fighters to Malta in the war, and managed to survive it. Grand little (well, sort of little) ship.
More, more!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Doomhippie on September 13, 2009, 12:31:51 PM
Well, isn't it great what you can do with photoshop and similar programms? And here I was, believing you actually built an aircraft carrier... Having found refuge in this thought I'm now going back to bed and hide myself under the sheets....  :o
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Remgain on September 13, 2009, 08:49:51 PM
It´s a shame you are so far away from me. We should team up for north atlantic convoys and get Marco to sneak attack us with his new U-Boat. I bet your torpedo bombers will give him hell while I deliver my load securely...

Michi don't be so sure... ;)
As I'll ask for the cohoperation of the U-Boot built by gamerMac. :D
Marco
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Michi on September 13, 2009, 09:09:10 PM
Michi don't be so sure... ;)
As I'll ask for the cohoperation of the U-Boot built by gamerMac. :D
Marco

Wolf packs gathering! Captain, periscopes at 6 o´clock!!!
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Bugsda on September 13, 2009, 11:01:59 PM
Inspirational crazy genius ;D love it!  8)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Bako on September 13, 2009, 11:41:59 PM
...but I could be buried in a 28mm model of the USS Nimitz

I shall start building know, I am already 41 and it will take some time.... ;)

And I thought that building one's own grave was just an expression... What were you drinking lately? ;)

Oh AKULA, where oh where do you find the space to keep all these wonderful projects?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Traveler Man on September 14, 2009, 04:37:17 PM
You are insane, sir! :o  o_o I take my hat off to you! I'm so looking forward to seeing pics of your progress!
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 14, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
the impetus of which seems to have slowed down since the explosive start  ;)

maybe he is doing the hull now, so we shall here more in 2 weeks  ;)
or closely follow reports from his area about a craftstore grossing in plaster/modelling putty ;)

or maybe a house crash where the floor has given way?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Arlequín on September 14, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
I have utmost confidence in his ability to surprise... he'll have progressed considerably when next he posts, unless himself and Michi are debating a new Anglo-German naval treaty to limit tonnage.  :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 14, 2009, 08:14:44 PM
oh well, these matters can be solved easily by building much smaller subs and dive bombers ;)


speaking of which, may I temporarily hijack this thread to ask if anyone knows about suitable torpedo models?

I need some for my tiny naval project
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on September 14, 2009, 08:42:52 PM
speaking of which, may I temporarily hijack this thread to ask if anyone knows about suitable torpedo models?

I need some for my tiny naval project

I think either Krick or Steinhagen Modelltechnik had some in their ship model accessories´ range. Otherwise, if you have to option to do so, I would suggest turning the bodies on a lathe [Drehbank], then adding fins, props and other details from plasticard or cardboard.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 14, 2009, 09:10:02 PM
no, I don't have the option
there is only a fixed drill I can use

but I am too lazy to scratch build 6 torpedoes, which look rather boring
I'd rather use wooden rods or ballpens if I have to
maybe wooden rods could be an easy idea
but if there are cheap ones to buy...

do you have any links?


Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Arlequín on September 14, 2009, 09:16:12 PM
Of course you realise where this madness ends....


(http://www.pmbdt.co.uk/Manned%20Models%20album/images/sitin%20john.jpg)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 14, 2009, 09:20:53 PM
exactly

what did I say about the USS Nimitz coffin?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Hauptgefreiter on September 14, 2009, 09:21:57 PM
but if there are cheap ones to buy...

do you have any links?
Hello former user,
1/40 torpedoes are available here:
http://data.robbe-online.net/robbe_pdf_en/1583.pdf (http://data.robbe-online.net/robbe_pdf_en/1583.pdf)
go to this page and search for "Torpedo"
http://at.robbe-online.net/rims_at.storefront/4aaea530008a8f35271b3e0dc1460680/ChangeLanguage/EN (http://at.robbe-online.net/rims_at.storefront/4aaea530008a8f35271b3e0dc1460680/ChangeLanguage/EN)
maybe this is useful for you...
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 14, 2009, 09:56:59 PM
the impetus of which seems to have slowed down since the explosive start  ;)

No, I just haven't posted any photos... :D

Currently I am coating the hull in a polyfiller/PVA Glue mix, which when it has set, i'll sand down, and trim up with a sharp knife - slow (the model is 3 times the size of the destroyer)  and tedious, and not very exciting from a photographic point of view... ;)

oh, and i've assembled and primed a number of tanks....but that is besides the point.

 :)


may I temporarily hijack this thread to ask if anyone knows about suitable torpedo models?

Whole ones...?  Roll some milliput into a sausage, and when it is dry stick some fins on.   ;)

In the water...?  Make some milliput ripples, on a bit of plasticard
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 14, 2009, 10:36:45 PM
thanks
the Robbe stuff I already checked, they are too big and far too expensive  :(

milliput sausages?
bit of unprecise or not? and then - 6 eels of 1cm diameter and 12 cm length in milliput?
ehm - this would be some 979 ccm of miliput... 10x10x10 cm approx.  :o
I need to put them on racks on my steampunk s-boat

naah, if I can't buy cheap ones from a model supplier I'll stick to the wooden rods and fixed drill
the finns will be trouble enough
unless someone knows of these aircraft arming kits containing torpedoes??
this I would prefer and wouldn't be too pecky about the size

so, my guess on your carrier was correct
how do you deal with the stench and the tension cracks on such a surface?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on September 14, 2009, 10:44:28 PM
unless someone knows of these aircraft arming kits containing torpedoes??
this I would prefer and wouldn't be too pecky about the size

Moduni sells some:

http://www.moduni.de/product_info.php/products_id/6268022

1/72nd scale, but that might be just right if your torpedo boat is of "condensed game scale".

Otherwise, I would suggest doing a master model using wooden dowel of 6-8mm diameter, a pencil sharpener and sanding paper for the round tip. After adding the fins, you could do a mould using silicone, then cast as many as you like; since it is a simple shape, making the mould wouldn´t be too difficult.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 14, 2009, 11:04:11 PM
milliput sausages?
bit of unprecise or not? and then - 6 eels of 1cm diameter and 12 cm length in milliput?
ehm - this would be some 979 ccm of miliput... 10x10x10 cm approx.  :o

eer...no, you are out by a factor of more than 10 - 1x1x12x6 = 72 not 979cm... ;)

thanks
so, my guess on your carrier was correct

No doubt about it, you were spot on...I haven't finished it yet....in fact, as the "hull" could loosely be interpreted as about 95% of the total model (as it is a flat top, with a 6mm thick landing deck) I guess I'll be working on the hull for a while yet.... ;)

how do you deal with the stench

I shower regularly

how do you deal with .....the tension cracks on such a surface?

A decent bottle of wine helps....apart from that there is no tension.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 14, 2009, 11:09:56 PM
yep

just thought about this
I think even a plaster mould would do - anyone want torpedoes?  ;)
damn, would be too expensive to send them with that weight

thanks for the moduni link
god, these are even more expensive than the Robbe ones
multipart resin kit for a torpedo!!
these people are insane - don't You think too?

sorry for bitching around - it's late and I'm tired - I should go to bed
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: fastolfrus on September 15, 2009, 08:41:35 AM
speaking of which, may I temporarily hijack this thread to ask if anyone knows about suitable torpedo models?

You sometimes (although rarely) find model aircraft in £1 shops (my keyboard doesn't have a euro), it might be cheaper to look for a cheap aircraft model and cannibalise it. Sounds odd to buy a torpedo-bomber just for the torpedo, but you might strike lucky.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Hammers on September 15, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
Of course you realise where this madness ends....


(http://www.pmbdt.co.uk/Manned%20Models%20album/images/sitin%20john.jpg)

What is that? Stephen Hawkins orthopaedic submarine?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 15, 2009, 09:20:52 AM
Sounds odd to buy a torpedo-bomber just for the torpedo, but you might strike lucky.

I rather thought of aircraft arming kits with bombs and torpedoes only
would be only 2 torpedoes in an aircraft kit anyway, I guess

how is the carrier proceeding?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: argsilverson on September 15, 2009, 10:38:20 AM
there is some plastic kit with 1:72 torpedoes of WW2 era. might be helpful. see the link:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?CATEGORY=&DIVISION=&MANUFACTURER=CMK+Maritime+Line&TYPE=&order%5B%5D=arrived+desc&order%5B%5D=code+asc&CODE=&SCALE=&KEYWORD=&NUMPERPAGE=25

in some lines of model ships fittings there might be some interesting bits and parts see here:
http://www.sirmarmodelships.com/fittings.asp
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 15, 2009, 10:41:09 AM
thank You very much everyone

I think we should end the Torpedo bypass now and return to the carrier
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Arlequín on September 15, 2009, 11:11:59 AM
What is that? Stephen Hawkins orthopaedic submarine?

Apparently some folk have weird hobbies.... they are called 'manned models' apparently. This one however is the full size flagship of the Swiss Navy.  :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: dodge on September 15, 2009, 11:41:08 AM
I also would like to add my voice to the you are nuts brigade, but am intrigued to see it finished, with palnes on it too  :D

good luck you brave brave soul  lol

dodge
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Luthaaren Von Tegale on September 15, 2009, 01:02:27 PM
Outstanding - not sure if it's outstanding genious or madness - but I love it. I'll be following this with interest.
Reminds me of the ships built in 20mm for Rapid Fire that were featured in Wargames Illustrated in the '90s, but even more so.

I think you'll need at least one more escort for it.

As some others have said - where are you going to store it? Just as well you use "small scale" figures god help us if you ever start to collect traditional toy soldiers or 1/6th scale!

looking forward to the next update.

vT
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: argsilverson on September 15, 2009, 01:19:50 PM

I think you'll need at least one more escort for it.


and a couple of tugboats to assist here!

sorry, I could not resist
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 15, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
where are you going to store it?

Well, partly the plan is to plan some games with it, so at least some of the time it will be on my games table for harbour based games...or possibly in the hall, or even the garden for a larger naval game!

Storage-wise, it will fit on top of my display cabinets...just!

Another plus point for this particular carrier, is the lack of a bridge island - if needs be I could design the pieces to sit one on top of the other  lol

The advantage of the building materials I chose is that they are pretty robust, but not overly heavy - the destroyer survived a collision with a door the other day, with the tiniest of scrapes, which actually looked quite good, so I left it!

and a couple of tugboats to assist here!

sorry, I could not resist

 lol

Well..when this model is finished, who knows?   ;)

In all seriousness, there is a limit to what I can store for now, plus I have a few hundred figures that I need to get painted in the next couple of months, so after this one, i'll probably have a little break from shipbuilding.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Commander Vyper on September 15, 2009, 02:33:16 PM
Well, partly the plan is to plan some games with it, so at least some of the time it will be on my games table for harbour based games...or possibly in the hall, or even the garden for a larger naval game!

Storage-wise, it will fit on top of my display cabinets...just!

Another plus point for this particular carrier, is the lack of a bridge island - if needs be I could design the pieces to sit one on top of the other  lol

The advantage of the building materials I chose is that they are pretty robust, but not overly heavy - the destroyer survived a collision with a door the other day, with the tiniest of scrapes, which actually looked quite good, so I left it!

 lol

Well..when this model is finished, who knows?   ;)

In all seriousness, there is a limit to what I can store for now, plus I have a few hundred figures that I need to get painted in the next couple of months, so after this one, i'll probably have a little break from shipbuilding.

Well get back to sensible stuff like zombies and such like, they need to be painted you know! ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Hammers on September 15, 2009, 05:04:41 PM
This whole idea is nucking futts. I love it.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on September 15, 2009, 05:24:19 PM
...after this one, i'll probably have a little break from shipbuilding.

You reckon?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 15, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
apart from that, it inspires me to design a gaming table for a docked ship
with deck and one side wall

don't know, Titanic or "Admiral Graf Spee"

but even this is nuts
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Vanvlak on September 15, 2009, 05:45:44 PM
Hang on a minute, unless you are planning to detail the interior as well (!), make the flight deck removable and use it to store models INSIDE!  :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 15, 2009, 06:02:49 PM
are You talking about my weirld idea or about AKULA's project?
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 15, 2009, 06:35:08 PM
are You talking about my weirld idea or about AKULA's project?

Maybe you should start your own thread....

 ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 15, 2009, 06:36:21 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 15, 2009, 09:57:04 PM
:-X

Just meant i'd like to see some photos of you building the Graf Spee....

 lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 15, 2009, 11:08:59 PM
don't think so

you'll be able to see my trains soon  ;)
see, I don't have the space and the time for such huge projects

when I was young I built a 90 cm high ATAT out of cigarette packages to fit my snowspeeder model ;)
was fun to set it in the snowy garden ;)
I might have the pictures somewhere
I'll just be fine with watching the progress of Your project
maybe some day You'll allow me to land my 2 interwar doubledeckers on it 8)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 17, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
OK, progress report:

I've covered the entire 10 foot length of the model in polyfiller/PVA glue mix, and will start sanding it tonight.

Given its two and a half times as long as the destroyer, more than twice its width, and the hull is as tall as the bridge of the DD, everything takes a little longer....

Haven't taken a photo yet, so look at the previous photo, and imagine it has been covered in porridge.

 lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Vanvlak on September 17, 2009, 06:06:01 PM
are You talking about my weirld idea or about AKULA's project?

Er ..both ? ;) :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 18, 2009, 03:59:47 PM
There's a whole bunch of ou out here waiting desperately for another photo or two of any progress....?

or a post of the destroyer in a scenic setting?

OK, a quick photo of the carrier first - the 3 sections have been coated in polyfiller, and roughly sanded down - as with the destroyer, i'm not too fussed about it retaining some texture, as a couple of thick coats of paint will smooth this down, and some areas have been left rough as rust streaks.

You can probably just about make out the cranes on the stern section - they were used to lift seaplanes on board - on my model they will also be holding up the flight deck!

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040183-1.jpg)

and a couple more photos of the destroyer, taken by an agent of the Anglican League, using the latest in spycamera technology:

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040180-1-1.jpg)

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040181-1-1.jpg)

Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 18, 2009, 05:49:11 PM
what is your day job?

I'm a leadaholic.

 ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Ignatieff on September 19, 2009, 09:21:41 AM
Call that a boat???  I am sure that after this 'entree' you will find yourself even further down the porthole of madness.  Howzabout the Royal Oak for a main course ?  I reckon that would weigh in at around 14'.  Mind you, its only navy envy.  Our Potemkin is only 3' long!  :'( :'(  lol lol lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Arlequín on September 20, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
Or hollow it out and it could double as a drinks cabinet, or figure storage. Certainly it would make a change from IKEA furniture.  :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Hammers on September 20, 2009, 02:20:06 PM
Or hollow it out and it could double as a drinks cabinet, or figure storage. Certainly it would make a change from IKEA furniture.  :D

 lol What a cunning idea,hiding my cordials from the wife in plain sight. I shall do this.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 20, 2009, 02:33:43 PM
lol What a cunning idea,hiding my cordials from the wife in plain sight. I shall do this.

how about building it as a bed?
reversable or so?
then You coukd distract her even more ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Arlequín on September 20, 2009, 05:59:15 PM
lol What a cunning idea,hiding my cordials from the wife in plain sight. I shall do this.


A beer barrel with a flight deck and a model plane nailed to it is still a beer barrel.  :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Bungle on September 20, 2009, 06:08:18 PM
A beer barrel with a flight deck and a model plane nailed to it is still a beer barrel.  :D

You need to be more inventive with other things around the house first then

car trailer
(http://www.barrelsandmore.com/NewFiles/Trailer.jpg)

Wheelbarrow
(http://www.barrelsandmore.com/NewFiles/Wheelbarrel_Planter.jpg)

storage chest
(http://www.barrelsandmore.com/NewFiles/toychest2.jpg)

dogs bed
(http://www.barrelsandmore.com/NewFiles/Dog_Bed1.jpg)

 lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on September 20, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
 o_o barrel-O-mania o_o
how about a beer barrel disguised as.... a beer barrel?
what comes next?

the many uses of wooden spoked wheels? ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on September 20, 2009, 06:37:02 PM
Another quick update:

Lined the hangers with card - the untidy edges should be hidden whern i add the flight deck, as i'd intentionally accounted for some overhang.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040184.jpg)

Also added a couple of AA positions - 2 will be sculpted onto the model, and i've added some plastic tubing (on the right of the second picture, to allow another, smaller (and thus probably more fragile) AA postion to be added later. Also tidying up some edges, with milliput, to be carved later on.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040186.jpg)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on October 01, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
Been a while since I posted an update on this little project, but with good reason - painting it takes forever!

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040302-1.jpg)

Still very much a WIP - unlike with the Destroyer, I needed to paint the superstructure before finishing the model, as it will become decidely more fiddily to do, once i've added the girders to the mid-section.

I've gone with a Dazzle colour scheme, as the thought of painting a 10 foot long ship in grey was fairly soul destroying - doubtless there will be pedants that tell me i've done it wrong, used the wrong tone of grey blue etc etc....just for the record - I DON'T CARE!

 lol

The purpose of dazzle wasn't to camouflage the ship, rather to make rangefinding, or even judging the direction of a vessel more difficult - its use was widespread in WW1, and at the start of WW2, so i've gone with it for my 1938 VBCW vessel.

Stuff still to do:

Add Girders
Build Chart House
Anchors
Steam catapult
Arrestor cables
Add Guns
Weathering
Crew (!)
Planes (!)


Bow Section
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040307-1.jpg)
Top left hand corner, you can just see two small holes - this is for additional AA bays to be slotted onto the model.

Mid Section
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040305-1.jpg)
This is where the girders, life rafts, and more gunners will go.

Stern Section
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040310-1.jpg)
You can see one of the cranes - used originally to lift seaplanes on board.  They also help support the flight deck on the model!

Rear Hanger Doors
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040309-1.jpg)

If you can see this, you are flying too low!  I'll be sticking a gun on the stern to deter kamikaze attacks.

Elevators
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040306-1.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040313-1.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040304-1.jpg)
I've made the elevators lift off, and painted the floor of the hangers in a similar fashion, to represent them at the lower level - still need to paint an interior hanger view though....

View from Bow
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040303-1.jpg)

View from Stern
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040308-1.jpg)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Ray Rivers on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
 :-*

Wow, that's looking great.

Shouldn't the deck be wood?   ???
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: argsilverson on October 01, 2009, 11:45:37 AM
:-*

Wow, that's looking great.

Shouldn't the deck be wood?   ???

It is painted for preservation
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on October 01, 2009, 11:48:04 AM
Shouldn't the deck be wood?   ???

Some RN carriers (and USN) had armoured decks, while others were wood - either way, they could be coated with a substance to preserve them, and to add grip - this substance could be grey, or painted.

 :)

Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: dodge on October 01, 2009, 12:24:50 PM
oh wow thats great  :-*

dodge
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: gamer Mac on October 01, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
Looking good :o
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Aaron on October 01, 2009, 01:27:57 PM
I'm glad to see you haven't been cured yet Akula!  :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on October 01, 2009, 05:06:45 PM
I'm glad to see you haven't been cured yet Akula!  :D

I'm not sure that they have a cure for my own particular brand of madness!

 :D
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Geudens on October 01, 2009, 05:24:46 PM
Looks really spiffing!  BTW, without the superstructure it might be called "Akula's Akagi"...  lol

Rudi
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Traveler Man on October 01, 2009, 07:38:09 PM
I've gone with a Dazzle colour scheme, as the thought of painting a 10 foot long ship in grey was fairly soul destroying - doubtless there will be pedants that tell me i've done it wrong, used the wrong tone of grey blue etc etc....just for the record - I DON'T CARE!

Good man! That's the ticket!  :D  Spiffy model. I'm really looking forward to seeing pics of it fitted-out.  :-*
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Chuckaroobob on October 02, 2009, 04:40:50 AM
More power to ya!  As we used to say, "Too much is not enough!"

And I love the dazzle!
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Wirelizard on October 02, 2009, 07:54:07 AM
The dazzle looks great - in person it must be even more spectacular!

Ten feet long... gack.  :o
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: pilot on October 03, 2009, 04:45:27 AM
what an amazing project!!!
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on October 13, 2009, 03:54:36 PM
Technically speaking, I'm not sure whether there is an end to this project, as i'll probably keep coming back and adding stuff when I feel like it.

However, as far as going on a wargames table, the carrier is now "ready" for action - ie the paintwork is sealed.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040351-1.jpg)
Added the stanchions to the fore AA position, just needs threading.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040350.jpg)
I've also added some more bulkhead doors, and some girders, to the mid section - the latter, I might use to attach life rafts etc.  I didn't go overboard (no pun intended) on them though, as i'll be adding crew figures to the walkway, which is why i've also not used the stanchions for this section. 

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040352-1.jpg)
Anchors (I think they were Billings?) were one of the few commercial pieces I used, the steam catapult is just a few bits of plasticard/wire etc.

And now for some gratuitous shots including planes for the sheer hell of it!

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040353.jpg)

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040355-1.jpg)

A pair of Corgi 1/48th Brewster Buffalos - might give these a paintjob, and use them with the carrier - first flew in Dec 1937, the USN started testing in Jan 1938, and ordered them mid-38, so I guess a couple of early models could have been picked up by protagonists in VBCW - certainly not a superweapon, but they were carrier planes....

The crew will have to wait until after FIASCO, as I have some work to do on the zombie-front!
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on November 16, 2009, 08:46:56 PM
First of the planes:

4 x Brewster Buffalos F2A (1/48th Corgi Diecasts)

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040490-1-1.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040491-1-1.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040498-1-1-1.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040497-1.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040494-1.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040492-1.jpg)

I know the markings aren't perfect - due to my decal-phobia.

Markings as per FAA 1938 (I think).
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on November 27, 2009, 07:43:22 PM
Crew:

By now you will have noticed the lack of any weapons on the ship - by 1936 it was a training ship, so its 4" guns had been removed in the 1936 refit, leaving it with MGs.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040508-1.jpg)

The crew are a mix of Brigade Games, Artizan, Blue Moon, 1st Corps, Copplestone, with headswops from Gripping Beast, and weapons from BEF.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040509.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040510.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040511.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040512.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040513.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040514.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/AKULADEEP/A%20Very%20British%20Civil%20War/P1040515.jpg)

Have redone the washes on some of the woolly sweaters since I took these photos, but tbh, I did the 21 man shoreparty from basecoat, in one sitting last night, as they are a rush job for Saturday's game.
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Calimero on November 27, 2009, 08:02:25 PM

Nice 8)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on November 27, 2009, 08:03:35 PM
oh my oh my

it's growing and growing....
bloody well done  :)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on November 27, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
Next weekend - we attack Hull!

 :)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on November 27, 2009, 10:29:55 PM
I forecast a  10 -nil win.

I´ve only lived here for some 9 weeks and even I can say that is a fairly risk-free prediction, judging from recent local performances... lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: argsilverson on November 27, 2009, 10:55:04 PM
I think some nice skipper for your carrier would be this:

http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1734

(Yes he is an army officer but with a paintjob would work for an admiral
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: former user on November 27, 2009, 11:28:35 PM
 lol the miniature is surely nicely painted, but the admiral looks like he should have a session on the potty first ;)
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: Arlequín on November 28, 2009, 11:28:51 AM
He does look a tad constipated... but the effect I think EVM was going for was 'going to tear a strip off someone'  lol
Title: Re: (WIP) Aircraft Carrier in 1/56th (28mm)
Post by: AKULA on November 28, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
If its all the same to you guys, I think i'll give the constipated admiral a miss, thanks.

 lol