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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Mark M Down on July 03, 2021, 10:32:45 PM
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I am thinking of starting an army for this period. I know that Perry are about to release their Prussian infantry box. Wargames Atlantic are about to do Bavarians. The metal cavalry that Perry have recently produced look lovely. However, I was wondering if any of the existing plastic cavalry or infantry ranges could be adapted or used for the Franco Prussian period? Thanks.
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I think the Perry Zouaves will work for the French if you ignore the rifles.
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Thank you.
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As something of an afficianado on things wargaming and Bavarian, I have to say that I was not very impressed with the WA plastics set - not great poses and the clumsy way they are carrying their rifles reminded me of 1970s figure ranges.
https://www.beastsofwar.com/news/wargames-atlantic-new-plastic-bavarians/
I've been chatting with Michael Perry and he intends to do the Bavarians in metal only (probably). but might be persuaded to include the 1866 peaked caps (see the North Star range) which I gather were still being worn at the start of the FPW.
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Good to know thank you. You think Perry Napoleonic Cuirassiers would work for French Cuirassiers for the Franco Prussian War? Or are the uniforms too different?
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The uniforms do not differ much at first sight.
After all, there are 55 years between the two eras.
The helmet 1870 is blank and no longer has a cover of fur.
The uniform skirt 1870 is much longer, has no more laps.
The trousers 1870 is wide cut and sewn on the end in black leather. This is also red and tightly cut for officers.
I don't think the plastic cuirassiers from the Perrys work well.
But it's always in the eye of the beholder.
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you can see it here
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Thanks. That is very helpful.
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I highly recommend getting a copy of "L'Armee de Napoleon III dans la Guerre de 1870". The French army was in the midst of a change in uniform regulations and some units still had the older uniforms or even a mixture of new and old. Dragoons were changing from green to blue tunics, while the chasseurs and hussars were changing to sky blue tunics. Chasseurs and Hussars could have busbys, kepis, or shakos.
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Brilliant. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Woo hoo the Prussian infantry have arrived!
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"Auf auf , ran an den Feind ! "
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The Perry Plastic ACW range can be gently converted for the Danish in 1866...
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Regarding the question about French cuirassiers above - Ingo Gohlke has a nice selection of FPW miniatures, see link.
https://ingos-figuren.jimdofree.com/figuren-1-56-28-mm/1870-71/
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My personal opinion is that anyone who wants to do the FPW in 28mm needs to be a bit patient, because there isn't much else in plastic or metal that would be accurate and compatible with the new Perrys figures. I'm afraid the plastic French infantry are a few months down the line as yet, but I understand Michael has sculpted metal Chasseurs a Pied, which could be out quickly and so you'll have a first unit to hold off the Prussian hordes.
I agree you could do French Zouaves out of the Perrys ACW guys, so long as you don't mind the rifle being different and also the equipment. Off hand I don't think they are carrying much gear, so that might not be too problematic. And they are certainly in the right sort of "dashing forward" poses for proper zouaves!
Come to think of it, there are good, compatible figures available for the Prussians in the form of the North Star 1866 range, recently revamped and with many figures that will blend in to give variety and cover some current vacancies. These are characterful and accurate figures; some might be just a fraction on the bulky side, but would probably go alongside their plastic comrades.
I also agree with the good Baron's opinion of the forthcoming WA plastic Bavarians: just not up to scratch. If you are in a tearing hurry to have some Bavarians and aren't too picky about anatomy or details they might fill a gap. Incidentally, I could be wrong here but I don't know where the idea of some Bavarian infantry wearing caps "in the early days of the FPW" comes from. The Bavarians went to war exactly like Prussia and most of the other German states, ie wearing helmets, but also carrying their soft caps with them. These would be worn out of action or occasionally for a "packs down" charge, just like the Prussian infantry. The Bavarian cap was smarter than the Prussian version, having a peak and a chinstrap, but was just as much a softly constructed cloth garment that could be rolled or folded and shoved into the bread-bag.
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Incidentally, I could be wrong here but I don't know where the idea of some Bavarian infantry wearing caps "in the early days of the FPW" comes from. The Bavarians went to war exactly like Prussia and most of the other German states, ie wearing helmets, but also carrying their soft caps with them. These would be worn out of action or occasionally for a "packs down" charge, just like the Prussian infantry. The Bavarian cap was smarter than the Prussian version, having a peak and a chinstrap, but was just as much a softly constructed cloth garment that could be rolled or folded and shoved into the bread-bag.
I'm pretty sure I got this from a German contact (it certainly came as a surprise to me, too!). Whilst I don't think that the 1870s raupenhelm was as clumsy/top heavy as the Napoleonic version, I could still see the cap being worn instead for a "rush" type of attack, so perhaps that is - as you suggest - where this comes from. That said, I've not seen any illustrations showing this, so presumably any original source would be written. I might go back and ask.
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There is an illustration that shows Bavarians wearing caps during the attack on Weissenburg on 4 August 1870.
https://www.leo-bw.de/web/guest/detail/-/Detail/details/DOKUMENT/labw_findmittel_06/labw-1-116273/Angriff+auf+die+Stadt+Weissenburg+durch+bayerische+und+preussische+Einheiten+am+4+August+1870+Franzosen+verlassen+ihre+u
(https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/exporte/leo/archiv_1/bilder/bestand_0000009925/labw-1-116273-1.jpg)
And a second one with one guy wearing a cap during the battle of Wörth
(https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/16142641487.jpg)
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Is there anyone who can show a size comparison between the Perry figures and the eagles of Empire range ?
Thanks
JM
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Not me - but I did read in the latest Wargames Illustrated that the metal French will be Chasseurs a Pied….
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I received my packs of these figures yesterday and have been having a nice play about (I mean rigorously reviewing them). What you get in the box is actually 35 rank-and-file on seven sprues of five men, plus a command sprue of four figures, and either two or five identical prone casualties, so 39 or 41/44 figures in all. The only difference between the two boxes is the mix between the two sprues. One has five sprues of marching/ advancing and two skirmishing/ firing line sprues, the latter also having the casualty figure. The other pack just reverses the mix of the two sprues. You get four alternative heads for every single figure.
These sets were well worth the wait. Firstly I know this period well and can't fault the figures in terms of accuracy. Very high quality of sculpting. Nicely presented boxes, with good artwork. The information leaflet gives you enough clear guidance to paint up some units, even if there are one or two errors of detail. The stature of the figures is big and robust: abandon hope anyone who thought they might be able to combine them with the old Perry-sculpted Foundry range! The best feature of all is the well-chosen positions and high interchangeability of the arms. I can see easily how to make marching, attacking or firing line units, with no two figures the same.
By the way, you are right Mr Fleischmann, Michael has already sculpted metal French Chasseurs a Pied, so they could be out any day now.
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I received my packs of these figures yesterday and have been having a nice play about (I mean rigorously reviewing them). What you get in the box is actually 35 rank-and-file on seven sprues of five men, plus a command sprue of four figures, and either two or five identical prone casualties, so 39 or 41/44 figures in all. The only difference between the two boxes is the mix between the two sprues. One has five sprues of marching/ advancing and two skirmishing/ firing line sprues, the latter also having the casualty figure. The other pack just reverses the mix of the two sprues. You get four alternative heads for every single figure.
These sets were well worth the wait. Firstly I know this period well and can't fault the figures in terms of accuracy. Very high quality of sculpting. Nicely presented boxes, with good artwork. The information leaflet gives you enough clear guidance to paint up some units, even if there are one or two errors of detail. The stature of the figures is big and robust: abandon hope anyone who thought they might be able to combine them with the old Perry-sculpted Foundry range! The best feature of all is the well-chosen positions and high interchangeability of the arms. I can see easily how to make marching, attacking or firing line units, with no two figures the same.
By the way, you are right Mr Fleischmann, Michael has already sculpted metal French Chasseurs a Pied, so they could be out any day now.
Glad to read that, looking forward to receiving my order and crack on with some painting after some happy building.
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The start of the Prussian army. All the figures are made using the Perry Plastics box set.
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Cracking job, I really like the way you painted them!
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Not a period I've gamed, but those figs sure look nice! Well done!
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Wondering if these guys could serve as Pickelhaube-wearing Chilean or Peruvian units from the War of the Pacific (1879-84). The Chilean Escuela Militar seems to have had a pretty similar eagle (or probably condor) design for the brass front section, although admittedly the regular infantry pickelhaube was quite different (a horse and an eagle/condor flanking a Chilean star). Struggling to find a good image of a Peruvian infantry pickelhaube, although I'm only dabbling so far.
Anyway, I could probably live with it for the sake of using these excellent minis.
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My my, they are nice. Wonder when the plastic French arrive?
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Wondering if these guys could serve as Pickelhaube-wearing Chilean or Peruvian units from the War of the Pacific (1879-84). The Chilean Escuela Militar seems to have had a pretty similar eagle (or probably condor) design for the brass front section, although admittedly the regular infantry pickelhaube was quite different (a horse and an eagle/condor flanking a Chilean star). Struggling to find a good image of a Peruvian infantry pickelhaube, although I'm only dabbling so far.
Anyway, I could probably live with it for the sake of using these excellent minis.
Found this on a quick Google-search. The other factions look more 'kit-bashable' out of the french however as they go for kepis. Looks to be from the Osprey book "Armies of the War of the Pacific 1879-1883" by Gabriele Esposito and illustrated by Giuseppe Rava.
Also, the Perry figures come with a rolled mantle across their shoulder, with one piece needing to be glued onto the back whereas the front bit is already attached. Which might make it a fuss to scrape it off and such.
Anyway, intermission over.