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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Ockius on July 10, 2021, 10:30:24 AM
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My Early Henrician army - completed with a finished village to defend! (I say completed and finished, but I think this is going to be a never ending project that I keep on adding to gradually).
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A few closeups of some of the units.
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Very cool! They look great. Those are Khurasan Miniatures Right?
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All looking great Ockius. You've done a good job on those QRF Kern.
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Very nice.
Great looking minis.
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Lovely looking collection with excellent terrain 👍
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Thanks all :D
Very cool! They look great. Those are Khurasan Miniatures Right?
Yes, the bulk of the English foot are (the bills, bows and some heavy billmen) Then all sorts of other makes alongside them: Donnington, Alternative Armies (Altuos), QRF, Museum, Old Glory, and a smattering of Essex. Think that’s it!
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Wonderful looking army as is the village- really fantastic project!
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Thanks all :D
Yes, the bulk of the English foot are (the bills, bows and some heavy billmen) Then all sorts of other makes alongside them: Donnington, Alternative Armies (Altuos), QRF, Museum, Old Glory, and a smattering of Essex. Think that’s it!
Very cool! Are you on Facebook? Stuart who has a 28mm Early Henrician army and blog has set up a Facebook group called Army Royal that focuses on this era, folks on there might appreciate your photos and work on there. If your interested I can send you a link.
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I must confess...I know nothing of this era but your table, figures and village look Fantastic!! Well done and thanks for sharing your talented works.
Regards,
Hitman
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Thanks Hitman and Codsticker.
Very cool! Are you on Facebook? Stuart who has a 28mm Early Henrician army and blog has set up a Facebook group called Army Royal that focuses on this era, folks on there might appreciate your photos and work on there. If your interested I can send you a link.
I have looked many times at Stuart’s inspirational work on his English and more recently the Flodden Scots. Always impressive! I often end up on the blog, but I will find the Facebook group and join that too, thanks 👍
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Superb
...Now they have to cross the Channel and attack Morlaix. :D
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I can recall you had a previous thread on this as you started to research the period/project - they look superb! I've tried to make a 15mm Early Henrician army of my own using older (2nd Gen) Minifigs and it's difficult to get the right troop types - a lot of the infantry are modified landsknechts, for example.
Which rules have you based for? I use Field of Glory: Renaissance.
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Superb
...Now they have to cross the Channel and attack Morlaix. :D
Haha, yes, they are already practising their archery skills in preparation!
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I can recall you had a previous thread on this as you started to research the period/project - they look superb! I've tried to make a 15mm Early Henrician army of my own using older (2nd Gen) Minifigs and it's difficult to get the right troop types - a lot of the infantry are modified landsknechts, for example.
Which rules have you based for? I use Field of Glory: Renaissance.
Yes, I remember us chatting. Mine are based and intended for FOGR, and I regularly referred to your army list on the Slitherine forum for ideas on what proportions of troops to get. The only thing missing really is some mounted longbows, which I have struggled to find the right figures for.
My models are a big mix, but the core are the Khurasan range as they are tailor made for the 1513 period, and fit the primary depictions of the uniform coats. Their cavalry are enormous though, way to big for FOGR basing, so I have all sorts of makes for that. One make I really like is Donnington for foot men at arms.
I looked at Minifigs and like some of theirs but think the style would be too different. What do you think?
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The mounted archers are a bit of a sore point as the FoG:R rule writers refuse to acknowledge them (in fact, getting them to look at Stuart's "Army Royal" orbat was a "Battle Royal" in itself!!! Minifigs did have some, but bear in mind I'm using the previous range of 15mm figures, which were replaced by the current lot in the mid-1980s (along with all of the 15mm Minifigs ranges), despite being vastly superior in my view!
Have you tried the Alternative Armies/Altuos Renaissance range? I believe that they were designed by the guy who originally did the Minifigs 2nd Generations figures (the 1st Generation being the original strips of 5/6 foot and 3 horse), and so are compatible. It also looks like they have been adding to the range since I last visited their website, as I don't recall there being anywhere near so many Landsknecht figures. Unfortunately, despite being listed as "early 16th Century" the English figures are almost all from the 1540s, when the Henrician army was really (REALLY) crappy.
MRC01, 02 and 03 look like they would give you what you want, being a Burgundian M-A-A, a Mounted Longbowman, and a Coustillier. I've linked to the archer below - see what you think:
https://www.alternative-armies.com/collections/15mm-renaissance-altuos-range/products/mrc2-burgundian-mtd-longbowman-15thc
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These look brilliant, both the army and the village - where do the buildings come from?
Khurusan's figures are great, I'm really tempted by the Early C16th range - but I have a lot of the Late C16th range for the English vs the Spanish (and/or Irish) so need to focus on one thing at a time.
How do you find the lances/polearms on the Khursan figures? It's the only issue I'd have with them, that they can be so soft and flexible, so most get replaced with steel wire if they're not cast in.
The Henrican army is looking more and more interesting though - any books you'd recommend?
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The mounted archers are a bit of a sore point as the FoG:R rule writers refuse to acknowledge them (in fact, getting them to look at Stuart's "Army Royal" orbat was a "Battle Royal" in itself!!! Minifigs did have some, but bear in mind I'm using the previous range of 15mm figures, which were replaced by the current lot in the mid-1980s (along with all of the 15mm Minifigs ranges), despite being vastly superior in my view!
Have you tried the Alternative Armies/Altuos Renaissance range? I believe that they were designed by the guy who originally did the Minifigs 2nd Generations figures (the 1st Generation being the original strips of 5/6 foot and 3 horse), and so are compatible. It also looks like they have been adding to the range since I last visited their website, as I don't recall there being anywhere near so many Landsknecht figures. Unfortunately, despite being listed as "early 16th Century" the English figures are almost all from the 1540s, when the Henrician army was really (REALLY) crappy.
MRC01, 02 and 03 look like they would give you what you want, being a Burgundian M-A-A, a Mounted Longbowman, and a Coustillier. I've linked to the archer below - see what you think:
https://www.alternative-armies.com/collections/15mm-renaissance-altuos-range/products/mrc2-burgundian-mtd-longbowman-15thc
Yes, I think that Altuos figure will be the best option - I had seen him but didn’t like his beard! I’ve also just had a look and they have one in their medieval range too, with a padded aketon on, which may not be totally fitting period-wise but I definitely want a couple of variants.
I have a few by AA - they are more old school and less detailed, but I like them. I’ve got their billmen, whose coat fits the early Tudor period well, and a few of the Border Horseman and the early period gun crew. Agreed about the other models not being right though for early 16th century! I’ve steered clear of their pikeman and arquebusiers for that reason.
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These look brilliant, both the army and the village - where do the buildings come from?
Khurusan's figures are great, I'm really tempted by the Early C16th range - but I have a lot of the Late C16th range for the English vs the Spanish (and/or Irish) so need to focus on one thing at a time.
How do you find the lances/polearms on the Khursan figures? It's the only issue I'd have with them, that they can be so soft and flexible, so most get replaced with steel wire if they're not cast in.
The Henrican army is looking more and more interesting though - any books you'd recommend?
Thanks :D
For books, the Osprey one on Henry VIII’s army is a good starting point, with great colour plates. Then I think these old George Gush articles are useful too http://warfare.gq/Renaissance/RenaissanceWarfare-AirfixMagazineArticles.htm.
On top of that, I read Charles Oman’s Art of War in the 16th Century. It’s old fashioned, a little pompous and I think outdated in some ways but I enjoyed it.
The buildings are from various places, a little summary:
- Peter Pig do two great timbered houses. Best quality of all the ones I own. At the small end of 15mm though. My church is also by them - listed as a Normandy church, but the closest fit I thought in 15mm to a convincing English church.
- Magister Militum have a wide range, some at the small end of 15mm, and some not. They mix fine for wargames use but would look off for a scale diorama type use.
- QRF do some cheap and cheerful ones - the least good quality, but also far the cheapest and have a good selection.
- Total Battle Miniatures - I have one stone barn from them which I really like.
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In case anyone wanted to see the scenery and army in use, me and a couple of mates fought our second Renaissance big battle - France invading south-east England, pushing to reach London.
We’ve been using Pike and Shotte, which is fast and fun.
1. Deployment. English defending the church on the left side and their camp also on the left.
2. English left flank with Manor House.
3. The French right.
4. The village on the right centre of English flank.
5. Late game impact as French gendarmes charge in.
6. Late game - French pikes ready to attack the hill in the face of mass longbow fire.
7. Early on the English border horse made a dash across the hill to attack the French guns - it went well initially but they found themselves surrounded by missile units and were all routed after taking out some French artillery and light horse.
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Great board and set up - I like background boards. Fun looking game to boot 👍
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Wow! Eye-candy :-* :-* :-*
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Thanks for the comments :)
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Great set up :)
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That all looks great.