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Title: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Tim Haslam on September 19, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
Which figures could I use as stand in Etruscan?
Crusader Campanian perhaps?
Victrix Samnite?

I notice Agema are about to launch a range?
And there is the Aventine range, which appear to be not available at the moment?

Ideas?
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Jjonas on September 19, 2021, 09:19:25 PM
The Gorgon Etruscans are very nice, but few photos exist.

https://gorgon-studios.myshopify.com/collections/etruscans

I can attest the chariot is brilliant. The hoplites are nice but suffer from the Saleh lizard sticking down poses, but the arms bend back.

I combined some of my Gorgon Etruscan hoplites with Foundry and others as Thermopylae Spartans:
https://ancientbattles.com/HeroesOfGreece/Spartan_shields.html
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Mithridates1 on September 20, 2021, 12:36:35 AM
Certainly agree about the Gorgons, their Spartan range includes psiloi who would be fine as Etruscan skirmishers (5th class).

Redoubt and Mirliton also have Etruscans - Mirliton does a nice General in a 2 horse chariot.    These are smaller and slimmer than Aventine/Gorgon.    I think Redoubt does a priest and snake charmers.

A&A does Samnites.

When Aventine has finished re-tooling (??), their Etruscans are late period but very good.  Their Italian Hill Tribesmen are also fine figures and there will be options amongst their Roman Hastati and Leves as 2nd/3rd/4th/5th class.   Aventine early Roman generals (foot and mounted) would fit and they used to do lictors as well.

If you Google "painted Etruscan 28mm" you should get a range of examples.   Possibly even Gorgons!

Victrix hoplites and their Roman allied set may offer choice as well.  Their Republican Roman and Greek cavalry would be good but you will need suitable head swaps.   Agema will be ideal here.   Examples on their Facebook page are promising.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on September 20, 2021, 07:55:22 AM
I recently received my Etruscan miniatures form Agema, they are on my painting desk ready for pro working prior to painting. I will post an example shortly.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: pws on September 20, 2021, 09:18:12 AM
Mirliton: https://www.mirliton.it/historical-25-28mm/ancient

Aventine: but currently unavalible  :'(

Ciao
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Tim Haslam on September 20, 2021, 02:47:36 PM
Aventine are re-tooling and should be available in the new year.
They would be my first choice, so I may wait.
Thanks for the input guys.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Easy E on September 20, 2021, 06:48:44 PM
I used Victrix Roman Legionary, Greek Hoplites, Viking, and Greek Light Cavalry left overs to make mine. 

However, I think the Italian Allies and Samnites would be a better base kit.  Like I said, mine were made of left-overs. 

You will want some Green Stuff for those great Etruscan helmets with the front to back metal "fins" too.     
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: bluewillow on September 21, 2021, 07:14:18 AM
Depends, I used a mix of Agema plastics, a few foundry, first corps and mirliton.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: AdamPHayes on September 22, 2021, 09:02:13 PM
Agema Miniatures are very nice but do not mix very well with the quite porky Aventine Etruscans...

(https://uploads.documents.cimpress.io/v1/uploads/ad8496ed-b633-4c32-be12-f023f11951b8~110/original?tenant=vbu-digital)

The Redoubt figures really capture the not quite Greek style of the Etruscans and they are quite characterful sculpts. (The Redoubt figure below is a Roman, but it gives you an idea of the sculpting style...)

(https://c-cluster-110.uploads.documents.cimpress.io/v1/uploads/367fea72-1af7-4d2c-94e7-4866a4f6d832~110/original?tenant=vbu-digital)

My earliest Etruscans were QT Miniatures made from a mix of Roman, Greek and Italian parts. You can do the same now with plastics if you have the creative urge...
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Tim Haslam on September 23, 2021, 08:03:44 AM
I think Iíll be waiting for the Aventine guys!
Lol, I like porky!

Thanks
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: folnjir on September 30, 2021, 02:45:11 AM
I got some of the new Agema Etruscans from their kickstarter and they are great figures. Hopefully they will be more available soon.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: mr ed on September 30, 2021, 07:38:38 AM
Full images of the Gorgon range here courtesy of archive.org (which is your friend in hunting for photos of all sorts of old ranges!)

https://web.archive.org/web/20131012105851/http://www.gorgon-studios.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3

And rather remarkably they've only increased their prices by 50 cents a pack in the last decade!
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Tim Haslam on September 30, 2021, 09:06:45 PM
Lovely sculpts.
My problem is getting them in the UK???

I imagine postage will be a killer from the States?
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on October 01, 2021, 10:15:16 AM
Have a look at the Agema, THe picture from above was from the Republican Roman range quite some time ago so they are a little bit smaller.
here is a link to the minis.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1809003958/etruscan-warriors-28mm-miniatures-from-agema-miniatures/description

Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on October 20, 2021, 01:41:08 PM
Agema plastic minis with Latin heads. I really enjoyed painting these minis
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: AdamPHayes on October 20, 2021, 10:00:06 PM
Nice job. The heads Agema too?
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on October 21, 2021, 09:08:01 AM
Hi,

Yes, all Agema, not completed yet shields and bases to finish. I have gone for the battle-worn look rather than parade ground. Just started work on Agema Etruscan range
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on October 21, 2021, 11:09:29 AM
Those Agema Etruscans look good.  I've done  some of their Romans and Carthaginian  plastics and am a big fan.   I'm hoping they'll do dedicated Italic Plastics w Etruscans and Oscans in a  box set.   
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on October 21, 2021, 12:24:59 PM
I think that the next small range will be the Samnites and Oscans
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on October 21, 2021, 01:03:01 PM
Yes there are Facebook pics of them.   I'd like both combined in a plastic box set. :)
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on October 21, 2021, 02:34:09 PM
It would be nice, but creating a plastic set is a quite an expensive process. And its only one chap that owns Agema.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Easy E on October 21, 2021, 04:11:10 PM
They look like late Etruscans, and they are beautiful!   :o

Nice work!
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on October 21, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
Yes you are correct. Agema metal Etruscan heads. Painted battle hardened shields not attached yet.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Dr. Kevin Moon III esq. on October 27, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
I recently got some of the Tin Soldier Etruscans. Nice figures and a decent match for Foundry. Picture attached with some foundry hoplites.

Redoubt and miniature design workshop (ex-Amazon miniatures I think?) also do some, but I have any in the flesh.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on October 27, 2021, 01:18:37 PM
Agema Etruscan command set. On the workbench
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: bluewillow on October 29, 2021, 05:48:52 PM
they look great Mark, I must pick some up to add to the collection

cheers
Matt
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on October 30, 2021, 12:30:40 AM
Looking great.   I'm excited to receive my Agema Etruscans ( in the mail).   The unpainted ones look a bit emaciated  but these 3 -painted up- look to have healthy proportions. :)   
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on October 30, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
I recently got some of the Tin Soldier Etruscans. Nice figures and a decent match for Foundry. Picture attached with some foundry hoplites.

Redoubt and miniature design workshop (ex-Amazon miniatures I think?) also do some, but I have any in the flesh.



How do the Tin Soldier Etruscans compare for scale v Agema and Victrix figures ?   I  see from their website they are 25mm so I assume they're  not really compatible in the same unit ?
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Dr. Kevin Moon III esq. on October 30, 2021, 01:03:22 PM
No idea for agema. They are chunkier than victrix, but about the same height.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: AdamPHayes on October 30, 2021, 06:13:42 PM


How do the Tin Soldier Etruscans compare for scale v Agema and Victrix figures ?   I  see from their website they are 25mm so I assume they're  not really compatible in the same unit ?

If the Tin Soldier Etruscans are the same as the HCH ready painted ones, then they are very chunky and quite a different style. I think I sold my ones on because they were just too incompatible (and I'm pretty relaxed about mixing figures.) If I still have one I will take a pic next to an Agema figure.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on November 03, 2021, 12:13:07 PM
Agema Etruscan command set. On the workbench

Hi. I'm planning on doing a YouTube video soon on available 28mm Etruscan mins, for my channel-  "Great Southern Ancient Miniature Man".   Would you mind if I used your photos ?   They look great
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Easy E on November 03, 2021, 02:47:00 PM
Anyone know a good place for 25-28mm Etruscan axemen? 
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 03, 2021, 04:29:42 PM
Hi
Yes of course you can you them. More on the way
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: AdamPHayes on November 03, 2021, 06:53:34 PM
Anyone know a good place for 25-28mm Etruscan axemen?

Agema included them in their Kickstarter but I didn't get any so I dont know what they look like...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1809003958/etruscan-warriors-28mm-miniatures-from-agema-miniatures/description (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1809003958/etruscan-warriors-28mm-miniatures-from-agema-miniatures/description)
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on November 04, 2021, 03:41:07 AM
Hi
Yes of course you can you them. More on the way

Thanks.  Looking forward to more pics. 
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 04, 2021, 09:10:46 AM
I am hoping to complete the Command set on Saturday, with bases completed as well.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: mr ed on November 04, 2021, 11:50:29 AM
Agema Axe men - a bit underwhelming

(https://d1wgd08o7gfznj.cloudfront.net/uploads/gallery_images/67d3e47b-fc9f-4efc-8d3c-548b8ded1c21/%C2%A310_Axemen_large.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 04, 2021, 04:31:58 PM
What is wrong with the axemen?
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: mr ed on November 04, 2021, 05:22:11 PM
I said underwhelming, not wrong, but since you ask, soft sculpting, ropey proportions, duplicate poses. Agema can produce much better than this.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on November 05, 2021, 07:02:15 AM
I said underwhelming, not wrong, but since you ask, soft sculpting, ropey proportions, duplicate poses. Agema can produce much better than this.

They look good to me but I haven't been able to get my hands on any yet.  I'm looking forward to seeing some painted up. 
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 05, 2021, 08:12:18 AM
I have a set, perhaps they will be the next batch that I paint up so we can see what they look like
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 05, 2021, 02:07:11 PM
Following on from a previous post here are the three Etruscan axe warriors
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on November 06, 2021, 03:41:51 AM
Axemen look good but  I do think they could use a good meal or 2.     Must have been a lean harvest !   
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: AdamPHayes on November 07, 2021, 01:37:52 PM
I found a couple of the Tin Soldier Etruscans, for comparison with the Agema offerings. The two ranges are at either end of the heft scale to my eye. As was mentioned before the Agema ones look a bit skinny but the Tin Soldier figures have very 1980s proportions...

(https://myalbum.com/photo/LDsXvTmrqhR9/540.jpg)

Heightwise, as you can see, they are not too diverse. The detail on the Tin Soldier castings is actually very good and pretty authentic. It's just the proportions that cause me problems. More so on the chap on the left (with his giant head,) as he is not stood upright, which makes the comparison worse. If you can pick and choose, some of the Tin Soldier figures could be quite usable.  The Agema figures are well researched but the details are not as crisp as on their Romans (a different sculptor I believe.) The do mix fine with Victrix (if you felt the need) but they have Kickstarted quite a decent sized range along with conversion packs to use with their own plastic Romans, so probably enough variation for most purposes.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 09, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
The battle axe Etruscans are nearly completed some detailing to complete plus the bases. Happy with the minis
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 09, 2021, 03:59:29 PM
I think my camera is up the spout as the pics don't look like the minis on my desk. Perhaps I should invest in an actual decent camera rather than damaged iPhone :-)
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Easy E on November 09, 2021, 08:32:53 PM
I think they look much better painted up, and will look fine mixed into a unit or ranked up. 

Not my favorite, but I think very usable.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on November 10, 2021, 11:21:49 AM
The battle axe Etruscans are nearly completed some detailing to complete plus the bases. Happy with the minis

They look great and strangely, once painted, the limbs don't look so skinny.   
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on November 10, 2021, 02:10:57 PM
Etruscan battle axe, 3 minis table top completed. Happy with the result as a first go at these using contrast and Vallejo paints. Not the best camera so please go easy
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on December 04, 2021, 10:53:46 AM
contemplating buying the Etruscan cav as shown.   I've not been that impressed by the look of previous Agema metal cavalry so I'm wondering if anyone has these and what their thoughts are ? 
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Easy E on December 06, 2021, 03:38:35 PM
I posted up my shot at Etruscans using left-over kits from various Victrix efforts.  Not 100% as these were all made from left-overs, but I think they will do the job.

http://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mm6woWMI7Go/YSQK9T-ns9I/AAAAAAAAPb8/N-RV7uQS4scDz518ogK7FwLdbf1LRTSCACPcBGAsYHg/w640-h530/IMG_1626.HEIC)
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on January 01, 2022, 11:17:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JMOVonpv6U
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: abu iskander on January 06, 2022, 05:58:28 PM
I've been exploring some of this too recently, having wanted to work on the earlier Italians for some time. Below are a few test figures. The first two are hoplites (L-R) from Saleh's Ziggurat range -- most of these seem to match the Etruscans he did for Gorgon quite nicely. The third figure is a typical Gorgon figure from that range. A little softer detail in the casting but otherwise very similar in style and equipment to the first two.  On the right is an Aventine Volsci/Hill Tribe figure. These don't appear to be available currently, but likely there are some in that bunch which might be suitable as well with a shield swap.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714803796773175328/928707598792933376/image0.jpg)

Some good reference images here -- https://profesorjuliodapenalosada.blogspot.com/search?q=etruscan
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: markw on January 06, 2022, 09:50:16 PM
Hi, great colours, may I ask what your flesh colours you used?
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: guitarheroandy on January 06, 2022, 10:49:24 PM
I've been exploring some of this too recently, having wanted to work on the earlier Italians for some time. Below are a few test figures. The first two are hoplites (L-R) from Saleh's Ziggurat range -- most of these seem to match the Etruscans he did for Gorgon quite nicely. The third figure is a typical Gorgon figure from that range. A little softer detail in the casting but otherwise very similar in style and equipment to the first two.  On the right is an Aventine Volsci/Hill Tribe figure. These don't appear to be available currently, but likely there are some in that bunch which might be suitable as well with a shield swap.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714803796773175328/928707598792933376/image0.jpg)

Some good reference images here -- https://profesorjuliodapenalosada.blogspot.com/search?q=etruscan

Those are quite superb!!
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on January 07, 2022, 04:21:46 AM
Lovely work.       Re the Aventine Etruscans apparently they're redoing the moulds and will be available again soon. 
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: pws on January 07, 2022, 09:14:26 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714803796773175328/928707598792933376/image0.jpg)

STUNNING! Saleh's scuplts are my favorites togheter with Aventine (oop?).
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on January 07, 2022, 12:07:54 PM
An Agema Etruscan
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on January 07, 2022, 12:08:29 PM
again
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on January 07, 2022, 12:09:02 PM
back view.. 
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: Tim Haslam on January 07, 2022, 04:05:50 PM
Lots of lovely figures on display here!

Personally, I think Iíll wait for Aventine to re launch their range.
Unless a plastic set comes outÖÖ
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: abu iskander on January 07, 2022, 04:48:53 PM
Hi, great colours, may I ask what your flesh colours you used?

Thanks for the kind compliments, gentlemen.

Mark - the flesh scheme I used here was (base) AP Warpaints Tanned Flesh, (mid) AP Warpaints Barbarian Flesh, and (highlight) Scale 75 Fantasy Moonray Flesh.
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on January 26, 2022, 10:50:28 AM
Agema  Etruscan Triarii.   A mix of plastic and metal.  I've modified a few heads.   
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: AdamPHayes on January 26, 2022, 06:36:19 PM
Agema  Etruscan Triarii.   A mix of plastic and metal.  I've modified a few heads.

Those look good. For use as Roman Allies?
Title: Re: 28mm Etruscans?
Post by: sgzleada71 on January 28, 2022, 10:11:28 AM
could be - or enemies   :0