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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Major_Gilbear on October 04, 2021, 12:28:32 PM
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I remember reading here on LAF a little while back that there were chariots, cavalry, and some warmachines planned for the game, but we've only seen models for goblin and human cavalry since.
Are there any previous of the other upcoming models floating about anywhere? Any indication when we might see/know more, or be able to buy some?
What's next after that for Oathmark do you think? More races, or units, or...? Will there ever be a siege supplement perhaps?
All news/thoughts/inside knowledge welcome! :)
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North Star is continuing to release models. They showed previews of light dwarf infantry on Facebook yesterday, should be out soon. There's a ton of models from the core book still unreleased.
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...Is the expectation that each unit will (more or less) receive a plastic kit then? ???
I must admit, I assumed that each race would receive a light/medium and heavy infantry kit each, with options to make each more/less armoured, as well as to have a variety of weapons.
I also know there's lots of monsters and such from the core book still to release, but I doubt they'll be in plastic.
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I have no inside knowledge, but I do remember seeing Northstar Nick mention plastic ogres. My expectation is similar to yours; three infantry kits plus cavalry in plastic per race. Maybe more, I guess humans could be looking at light, medium, heavy infantry, light and heavy cavalry plus ogres for six kits in total.
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As I know, there are no other books planned (hopefully only at the moment), but a lot of plastic kits are coming. Next will be the dwarf light infantry (for sure), and then orcs (I assume the normal infantry), goblin slaves (light infantry) and elf cavalry (in unknown order). All this is based on an interview with Nick Eyrie. And yes, there was a hint about plastic ogre kit somewhere from him too. All my other speculations are based on the illustrations from the book: human light infantry and elf heavy infantry.
I wrote a post about earlier this year: https://oathgrave.blogspot.com/2021/01/25-future-of-oathmark.html
And as I know, unfortunately there were no other hints (except the ogres) since then... Altough Im missing almost all the social media stuff. I only know the twitter of Northstar ( https://twitter.com/northstarfigs ), and that they are active here on LAF (for example: https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=131457.msg1669133#msg1669133 )
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Wargames Atlantic showed off some pretty awesome LOTR style armoured ogres - so that could help out.
I don't play Oathmark, but I'm patiently waiting to see what their orcs end up looking like.
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I wouldn't expect plastic chariots... They will not sell near as many of those as they do their infantry kit bash sprues and it costs the same to model and cut the steel molds for them. Much more do-able if they cast them in the Sio-cast material. Those molds are only $35 and last for upwards of 500 cycles. I'm not sure if they are doing Sio-cast yet though.
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As everyone else already mentioned, there's definitely stuff planned in the short-term.
You could probably make an educated guess about which races will get which kits in plastic, based on how a lot of box art replicates artwork found in the rulebook(s). By that logic, I'm really hoping Goblin Slaves look like their art - they'll make for amazing kitbashing fodder for evil humans/haemonculi type creatures with head swaps.
I seem to remember there was at least one chariot image somewhere (artwork, not mini) which is probably indicative of design intent, but I'd imagine that's still very much in the planning stage. No insider knowledge, just a guess.
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Interesting stuff. :-)
@ gibby64:
I'm surprised to hear you don't think plastic chariots will ever come to pass? Clever positioning on the mould plate could let you do up to three chariots in snap-apart frames, and the horse/wolf frames are already separate.
Given the falling costs of making plastic moulds (they're not what they used to in GW early days for example), I dont think three different chariots is so unreasonable.
Similarly warmachines. In fact, two chariots and a peice of artillery on a sprue is not unreasonable either...
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I wouldn't expect plastic chariots... They will not sell near as many of those as they do their infantry kit bash sprues and it costs the same to model and cut the steel molds for them. Much more do-able if they cast them in the Sio-cast material. Those molds are only $35 and last for upwards of 500 cycles. I'm not sure if they are doing Sio-cast yet though.
I could see a chariot sprue, one that would mix with the infantry/cavalry sprues to make them work.
I've seen a few people using the Victrix chariot mixed with various ones for humans and goblins in play (And Scruffy Crow recently had a video about doing one for humans on his youtube channel). The single elf player found some GW bits for an elf chariot.
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I built chariots from scratch. They are not that detailed as professional kits, but I think, they will do it on the table (painting in progress): https://oathgrave.blogspot.com/2021/04/40-chariots-for-oathmark.html
Its a lot of time and work, so its not for everbody, but its still an option.
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I saw Scruffy Crow's conversion of the Victrix chariot fro his Human army on YouTube a few days ago - I thought it was well-done, and the kit looks pretty nice actually.
Are there any suitable plastic catapult kits that could similarly be co-opted? I've had a look around the historical kits, but I've not seen anything in plastic.
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I saw Scruffy Crow's conversion of the Victrix chariot fro his Human army on YouTube a few days ago - I thought it was well-done, and the kit looks pretty nice actually.
Are there any suitable plastic catapult kits that could similarly be co-opted? I've had a look around the historical kits, but I've not seen anything in plastic.
Nothing with the Oathmark 'vibe' in plastic. But you might check out Iron Gate Scenery's catapult (looks 100x better in the flesh than on the website - and their trebuchet is stunning)
https://irongatescenery.co.uk/product-category/scenery/fantasy/siege-weapons-28mm-fantasy-terrain/
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I built chariots from scratch. https://oathgrave.blogspot.com/2021/04/40-chariots-for-oathmark.html
Those are awesome :o :o
The dwarf ones kind of remind me of the Frazetta Polar Bear chariot image
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Those are awesome :o :o
Thanks!
The dwarf ones kind of remind me of the Frazetta Polar Bear chariot image
Have the picture on the wall :). But it wasnt the inspiration. I just tought, that the Oathmark dwarves look a lot like vikings, and if vikings, then longboats, even on land :).
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Those look great plus good value too!
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Chariots with various options for cabs and detail could be useful - for example, as fantasy bronze age chariots with undead horses and crew, or as archaeological bronze age chariots with living horses and crew.
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All this is based on an interview with Nick Eyrie. And yes, there was a hint about plastic ogre kit somewhere from him too.
I wonder if a way in which an ogres kit could be made more cost-effective and popular would be to make it a generic "large humanoids" kit with options for all the various Oathmark creatures of that sort: ogres, trolls, bugganes and eachies.
That might sound mad, but all those creatures seem to be about the same size, and they're all big, ugly and (presumably) hairy. The Wargames Atlantic lizardmen sprue might be instructive here, as it allows several different species to be built, simply by providing four full sets of heads.
After all, one person's troll is another's ogre, and you could probably get away with distinguishing them purely by heads and arms/weapons. There might be ambiguities that could be exploited between fur, armour and clothing - as with Tolkien's description of the trolls at the Morannon - so that a scaly body with scaly arms could be a scale-mailed body with hairy arms.
I've no idea of the economics of this, and I'm entirely willing to accept that the idea's a non-starter, but there must be something in the notion of having one kit that works for several things; GW does it a lot, for example, as do the Oathmark kits for different troop types. Given the generosity of the existing Oathmark sprues with spare parts, it doesn't seem entirely unfeasible. And I'd have thought that the market for a troll/ogre/other monster kit would be much bigger than for any of the individual species - especially as bugganes sound quite a bit like bugbears from D&D ...
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@ Hobgoblin:
My main concern is that all the models end up looking the same/very similar if you do multi-use kits.
It has already been pointed out by people that re-using the same heads and arms on the two Human kits released so far is a wasted opportunity to add some much-needed subtle variety.
If I collect several different forces, and those forces each have Troll/Ogre-sized units, all made from the same kit, then they're all going to quickly start feeling very "samey".
You're right that GW does/has done this in the past, and it has attracted a number of quite pointed yet very valid criticisms:
1) A big part of the cost in making a plastic mould is in the tooling. So the more stuff you put on the sprue, the more tooling required, and the higher the cost.
2) The sprues are a limited size, so the more options you add to each, the fewer complete models you will be able to make from each.
3) Taking (1) and (2) together, if you try and squeeze too many variations onto a sprue, then you end up with an expensive kit that only builds a few models.
4) As a result of (3), you now have less variety for each type of model you build, and you will need the buy the kit many times to make all the various types. This leads to a lot of models in the units looking very samey, the different units made from the kit all looking similar, and different people's armies of the same type all looking very alike. As many people enjoy and prefer better variety and some uniqueness when assembling their armies, this makes the kit a tougher sell, which in turn means it takes even longer to make a reasonable profit.
The current Oathmark kits do have some odd design choices (no musician option on any of them? repeated heads/arms between different kits of the same race? very limited/single banner top options? Cavalry mount heads not separate, so all three models look the same?) but they make a pretty reasonable compromise between offering a sensible variety of weapon options and keeping the kits at a competitive price.
So on the trolls/ogres/whatever, I would prefer the sprue has enough meaningful options that I can get at least six different-looking models from it, and have a different sprue for each type of monster. If you need more than that, then you can still kitbash/convert. Given the dearth of multipart hard styrene non-GW ogres, trolls, minotaurs, bugganes, etc, I think they'd have no trouble selling well outside of Oathmark too. :)
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I saw Scruffy Crow's conversion of the Victrix chariot fro his Human army on YouTube a few days ago - I thought it was well-done, and the kit looks pretty nice actually.
Are there any suitable plastic catapult kits that could similarly be co-opted? I've had a look around the historical kits, but I've not seen anything in plastic.
While it's pre-assembled, the WizKids Deep Cuts Catapult is a rather nice thing that's rather well detailed.
I'm working on a force that's for both Oathmark and Dragon Rampant using the Reaper Anhurians, and just need to do some work with the command set to make a crew...though I've already converted several of them with the small ballistae/scorpions for another option in other games. (Take the drummer from the command set, remove the drum and drum sticks, and you can basically just position them right with the ballista turret as crew for it. I still need some more drummers there though
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Well, ignoring any GW kits (which are quite stylised), the ones I have found are generally quite toy-like and would need some reasonable work to make them look good for the more typical Oathmark style.
These are what I found so far:
Catapults
- Strelets set ref: A009 - Roman Catapult with crew (1:72 scale)
- Strelets set ref: A010 Shaab & Crusader Crew Medieval Catapult (1:72 scale
- Mantic Games "Undead Balefire Catapult" (1:56 scale)
Ballistae
- Warlord Games set ref: 1030000017 Imperial Roman Scorpion (supposedly 1:56 scale)
- HäT set ref: 8184 Greek Catapult (1:72 scale)
There are some others as well from Technolog, Mantic, and Cesar plastics, but they are in a scale that's hard to gauge or are very stylised.
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While it's pre-assembled, the WizKids Deep Cuts Catapult is a rather nice thing that's rather well detailed.
Seconded. They also make several ballista variants in the Deep Cuts and Nolzur's ranges if that's any help.
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Yep, there are some great trebuchets, etc...the Deep Cut minis are surprisingly good - even the pre-painted ones are better than I normally expect.
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Yep, there are some great trebuchets, etc...the Deep Cut minis are surprisingly good - even the pre-painted ones are better than I normally expect.
WizKids stuff has its flaws, but they've come a long way since Mage Knight came out 20-odd years ago. :)
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Zvezda has some very nice siege machines too. They are 1/72, but they fit to 28mm well:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/review.aspx?id=356
https://en.zvezda.org.ru/catalog/sbornye-modeli/miniatyura/figury/Trebuchet_28894/
However, the availability may be problematic.
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Seconded. They also make several ballista variants in the Deep Cuts and Nolzur's ranges if that's any help.
There's the prepainted catapult and larger balista out, but I'd suggest waiting a few months, they're supposed to be coming in an unpainted version soon.
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G'day All,
First post after years of lurking! Printable Scenery do a lovely catapult, trebuchet and ballistae too. I'm planning on adding the the catapult to the Human army I'm building presently.
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Welcome here Millsy, good that You decided to step out of the shadow! :)
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Not sure if this is unknown around here, but on another board I post on someone had done some snooping and found art depicting Elven heavy infantry, along with orcs and goblins.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/14380-061121074017-531691906.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/14380-061121074017-531682021.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/53/14380-061121074016-53157809.jpeg)
I'm particularly excited for the Orc infantry, assuming all this is real, as the bodies are gonna make great mercenary/hedge knights out on campaign. (Potentially/Hopefully)
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They are real indeed, the first two are from the core rulebook and the last one is in Bane of Kings. No release dates yet on any of the kits, but they should be coming.
Not sure North Star are going to have another plastic release this year as they just released the dwarf light infantry, but hope to see the orcs soon.
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I wonder if a way in which an ogres kit could be made more cost-effective and popular would be to make it a generic "large humanoids" kit with options for all the various Oathmark creatures of that sort: ogres, trolls, bugganes and eachies.
That might sound mad, but all those creatures seem to be about the same size, and they're all big, ugly and (presumably) hairy. The Wargames Atlantic lizardmen sprue might be instructive here, as it allows several different species to be built, simply by providing four full sets of heads.
After all, one person's troll is another's ogre, and you could probably get away with distinguishing them purely by heads and arms/weapons. There might be ambiguities that could be exploited between fur, armour and clothing - as with Tolkien's description of the trolls at the Morannon - so that a scaly body with scaly arms could be a scale-mailed body with hairy arms.
I've no idea of the economics of this, and I'm entirely willing to accept that the idea's a non-starter, but there must be something in the notion of having one kit that works for several things; GW does it a lot, for example, as do the Oathmark kits for different troop types. Given the generosity of the existing Oathmark sprues with spare parts, it doesn't seem entirely unfeasible. And I'd have thought that the market for a troll/ogre/other monster kit would be much bigger than for any of the individual species - especially as bugganes sound quite a bit like bugbears from D&D ...
I like your thinking on this mate.
It could make for some more fun kitbashing with bits from other companies as well.
The way I buy boxes now, I no longer plan on just what is intended from the box. Each is just another addition to the bits box, so the more diversity the better. That said, it may be because I prefer skirmish games to rank and flank battle games.
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I look forward to seeing what 1st Age conversions Graham Greene will come up with for those Elves.
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Wargames Atlantic showed off their new plastic chariot prototype on their web-page for those interested.
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Wargames Atlantic showed off their new plastic chariot prototype on their web-page for those interested.
It looks great! I didnt wanted a chariot for my humans. Until now...
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Another news! Trolls are coming for Oathmark from Northstar Miniatures:
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2021/11/northstar-miniatures-new-oathmark.html?m=1
(Picture is with ogres from another line)
I like the simple design, but its too late for us: we bought river trolls from Reaper.
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Those trolls are pretty good. Not sure yet about the Ogres, but Northstar do a few decent ones in their Shadowdeep range. Not regimental types, though.
Haven't tried Oathmark yet, got the book and some metal command groups. Might try my hand on the skellies, some day ;-).
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G'day All,
First post after years of lurking! Printable Scenery do a lovely catapult, trebuchet and ballistae too. I'm planning on adding the the catapult to the Human army I'm building presently.
Welcome! :)
Not sure if this is unknown around here, but on another board I post on someone had done some snooping and found art depicting Elven heavy infantry, along with orcs and goblins.
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I'm particularly excited for the Orc infantry, assuming all this is real, as the bodies are gonna make great mercenary/hedge knights out on campaign. (Potentially/Hopefully)
Yes, they are known/real. :) Whilst the stated *intention* by Northstar is to do a plastic kit for every unit in the game eventually, I am less sure that this will in fact be the case - three infantry kits, a cavalry kit, and maybe a "warmachines" kit is about the most I could honestly see being worthwhile per race (...maybe counting Orcs and Goblins as 1.5 races?).
I agree the Orc bodies could make for good hedge knights, or really even any sort of roughed-up heavy humanoid troops. I suppose it will depend a bit on whether they end up being more hunch-backed like the Goblins, or more upright like other Humans.
Wargames Atlantic showed off their new plastic chariot prototype on their web-page for those interested.
[Wargames Atlantic chariot link] (https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/warring-states-chariot)
Looks really good I think! I have been extremely impressed with the recent Wargames Atlantic historical kits, and am eagerly awaiting their two new Conquistador kits.
Another news! Trolls are coming for Oathmark from Northstar Miniatures:
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2021/11/northstar-miniatures-new-oathmark.html?m=1
(Picture is with ogres from another line)
I like the simple design, but its too late for us: we bought river trolls from Reaper.
I like these too, but I had hoped they would be a plastic kit... I also hope there will be three different ones, and not just the two shown. I mean, since they are typically fielded in units of 3.
The Ogres they are shown with are reasonably nice, although I think they could be a bit small. The Rangers of Shadowdeep Ogres are lovely, but again there's only two "dressed" ones, and I would have really liked a third in the same style if I was to use them in Oathmark. :?
Speaking of Trolls, Wargames Atlantic shared some early renders of an upcoming plastic kit a couple of months back:
[Wargames Atlantic Trolls link] (https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/new-set-announcement-trolls)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0078/4764/1186/files/Trolls.jpg?v=1630099624)
I do like these, but I'm not sure how much of an Oathmark "vibe" they give me. Hopefully we get some more varied poses too!
I also saw WGA are doing some Ogres too, but I don't think they've made any substantial progress on the sculpting of those yet (that I've seen, anyway).
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Yeah those trolls look awesome, but definitely a LOTR (Peter Jackson) style, and not necessarily Oathmarky. I too am waiting on the Conquistadors for a fantasy/medieval skirmish project.
Only Oathmark thing I'm waiting on at the moment is Orcs. I'm aiming to replace my metal Orcs with plastic ones, and surprisingly few companies make them in plastic.
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@ Elbows:
Yeah, agreed!
Interestingly, both Wargames Atlantic and Wargames Factory already had a go at making plastic "Orcs", but I've not really been very taken with either of them for various reasons.
A more GW-style savage Orc set was released by Shieldwolf Miniatures too, but the weirdly demonic heads with their dislocated jaws always put me off. Fingers crossed the Oathmark ones hit the, erm, mark! :)
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I hadn't seen the Wargames Atlantic ones - I'll look for them. I had a box of the old Wargames Factory ones, and they were definitely underwhelming.
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Apologies, the Wargames Atlantic ones are listed as Goblins, not Orcs:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0078/4764/1186/products/GoblinGropu1_1800x1800.jpg)
Still, I'm sure I recall they were referred to as "Orcs" at some point in their development... ???
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Ah, okay. Yeah, their new "goblins" actually look pretty good - which is amusing since they're decidedly based on the old LOTR orc artwork (the same art that the Wargames Factory orcs were based on).
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For 5.00USD the Deep Cuts catapult is a great solution.
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I like these too, but I had hoped they would be a plastic kit... I also hope there will be three different ones, and not just the two shown. I mean, since they are typically fielded in units of 3.
There are three different ones!
https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2021/oathmark-trolle-preview/