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Title: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 12, 2021, 09:27:43 AM
After a few false starts I’ve finally got my Great Italian Wars project underway.  I’m mainly using Venexia figures with a few from Blue Moon and Alternative Armies and elsewhere.

I’m intending to put together Spanish, Imperial, Italian and French armies.  Also, I thought I’d have a go at writing a set of rules for the period.

If it is of interest here is a link to my progress so far.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Atheling on October 12, 2021, 11:02:19 AM
Fab stuff OB!  :-*
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 12, 2021, 11:35:09 AM
Thanks Atheling, the Venexia figures are a treat to paint.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Atheling on October 12, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Thanks Atheling, the Venexia figures are a treat to paint.

They are quite lovely. I don't have many 15 mil mini's anymore but I remember the quality of the sculpts for the Venexia range were excellent. Better then their 28's when scaled up.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 12, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Lancashire have them now at a good price too.  I wonder who sculpted them.  They have been around for a long time.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Atheling on October 12, 2021, 01:21:56 PM
Lancashire have them now at a good price too.  I wonder who sculpted them.  They have been around for a long time.

I bought some of the Mounted Men at Arms  from Lancashire Games for the barded horses and was shocked at the quality of the castings- they were pock marked! Very gutted. i might get in touch and ask for my money back though it's well over four weeks since I made the purchase.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 12, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
That's a shock, mine came from Lancashire too. My most recent order came this week.  No problem at all apart from removing flash from underneath some bases. 

It sounds like you got a bad batch. I'd suggest you ask him to replace with good castings.  I've found him to be a reasonable fellow in the past and so I think he will make good.  Certainly the ones you have are no use to you.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Atheling on October 12, 2021, 01:44:44 PM
That's a shock, mine came from Lancashire too. My most recent order came this week.  No problem at all apart from removing flash from underneath some bases. 

It sounds like you got a bad batch. I'd suggest you ask him to replace with good castings.  I've found him to be a reasonable fellow in the past and so I think he will make good.  Certainly the ones you have are no use to you.

I'll get in touch with them ASAP. I've had quite a lot of work done on the house (had to vacate while work was being done) so things aren't exactly organised now. I'll have to dig them out, take photo's and see what's what from there.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 12, 2021, 02:13:06 PM
Good luck with it.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Ockius on October 12, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
Nice work, I love the Italian Wars period, and would be interested if someone can nail a good rules system for them.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 12, 2021, 03:28:53 PM
Thanks Ockius, I'll report back as I go.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Malatesta on October 14, 2021, 06:25:37 PM
Great start. I, too, enjoy the Great Italian Wars. I have quite a few figures in 15/18mm probably from just about all manufacturers in that size. Venexia are my favorite. Blue Moon are very nice, if a bit chunky. I have some unpainted Khurasan figures and they are very nice, but probably won't mix in with Blue Moon very well; they are smaller and thinner--noticeably so. Khurasan offer an extraordinary number of variations of gendarmes. They also have Swiss that fit into the early part of the 16th century, rather than the Burgundian Wars of the 1470s.

In any event, for my 15mm Italian Wars project, I've drawn inspiration from these blogs featuring that size:

https://chrisfigurines.blogspot.com/search/label/15mm%20Renaissance%20Italian%20wars

---and---

http://smallitalianwars.blogspot.com/

Best,

John
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 15, 2021, 08:29:20 AM
Thanks John.

I'm awaiting the Khurasan figures with interest.  like many a manufacturer Khurasan seem to come in different sizes of 15mm.  I think you are right about Venexia, they are pretty hard to beat.  I'll have a poke about in the blogs thanks for the links.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 19, 2021, 12:59:10 PM
I’ve made a good start on the light cavalry for my Italian Wars project.  A couple of units each of Stradiots and Genitors.  The figures are Mirliton and Venexia 15mm.

There are some pic’s on my blog and some thoughts about how different sorts of light cavalry fought. 

If it’s of interest here is the link.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com

Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Atheling on October 19, 2021, 01:14:14 PM
 :-* :-* :-*

Fab  8)
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 19, 2021, 01:59:51 PM
Thanks Atheling, much appreciated.

BTW, I got my final order of Italian Wars stuff from Lancashire Games today.  It included some Gendarmes with barded horses.  Mindful of the problem you experienced I took a close look.  I'm pleased to say they were all fine and should you request replacements they should do the job nicely. 
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Atheling on October 19, 2021, 02:30:29 PM
Thanks Atheling, much appreciated.

My pleasure mate  :)

BTW, I got my final order of Italian Wars stuff from Lancashire Games today.  It included some Gendarmes with barded horses.  Mindful of the problem you experienced I took a close look.  I'm pleased to say they were all fine and should you request replacements they should do the job nicely.
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I need to get around to doing that for certain. Thanks for the reminder as I had forgotten  o_o
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Ockius on October 19, 2021, 09:32:51 PM
Nice stradiots and genitors. A friend of mine I’m gaming the 16th century with on Saturday sent me a pic of some of the same figures he completed today too, coincidentally.

I really like the quilted jackets the stradiots wear!
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 20, 2021, 11:47:37 AM
Thanks Ockius, yeah they are nice figures.  The quilted jackets take a wash of ink very well.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 25, 2021, 11:40:28 AM
I have been busy on my Italian Wars pike men. There are an awful lot of them and I’m nowhere near finished. 

There are some pic’s of progress to date on my blog. The figures are a mixture of Blue Moon, Legio Heroica and Venexia all of which I find to be compatible. There is also more on my Gonzalo rules for the Great Italian Wars, specifically about pike fighting this time. 

If it is of interest here is a link.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com


Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Atheling on October 25, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
Fab work OB  :-*
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 25, 2021, 07:20:06 PM
Cheers Atheling, it all seems to be coming together nicely now.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Ockius on October 28, 2021, 09:52:56 PM
Looking good! A nice dense pike block with standard is a fantastic sight.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on October 29, 2021, 11:23:24 AM
Thanks Ockius,

I'm increasingly taken by the idea of the look of the thing.  I'll have to redo some Late Romans as a consequence.

The pike blocks for this project will have either 36 or 48 figures per unit.  A lot of painting time and figures but it does look right.

Also I see the Lancashire Games Sale starts today.  Good news for anyone wanting some Venexia figures.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on November 01, 2021, 07:46:50 AM
The latest instalment of my Great Italian wars project is now up on my blog.  There are more Stradiots, a unit of mounted arquebusiers and some more on my Gonzalo rules for the period. 

There is also a pic of the fellows shown below who are a Scots unit in French service. They could also have been armed with bows or indeed lances.
 
I intend that they should second a unit of gendarmes yet to be painted.  Ideally, I’d like that to be the one led by Berault Stuart a prominent Franco-Scots nobleman.  I’m going to have a go at making his flag.

If it’s of interest here is the link.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com


Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on November 08, 2021, 03:18:51 PM
I have posted my latest completed units for my Great Italian Wars project on my blog.  Most of the figures are from Venexia with a few from Legio Heroica and Alternative Armies in the mix.  I don’t think you can see the join.

There’s also an extract from my Gonzalo rules.  Should that be of interest here’s a link.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com

Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: MGH on November 08, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
Great progress, following your project with interest.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on November 08, 2021, 04:38:05 PM
Thanks MGH, I got some artillery done today.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on November 15, 2021, 08:52:29 AM
A bit of a milestone today I’ve finished my first unit of French Ordnance. 

I’ve gone for a three in one of Gendarmes, Archers and light cavalry.  You can see figures from Venexia and Khurasan.  I intend to do three or four of these.  You can see more of them on my blog.

There is also a few words about just what an Archer was and what they might do in combat. There are cards for Gonzalo too and an extract on cavalry fighting.

If it is of interest here’s the link.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com


Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on November 22, 2021, 09:55:17 AM
There are some more units for this project on my blog and a new flag for the French.  It’s one of two I made showing Saint Martin, a soldier saint.  He was popular with the French soldiers and they liked to carry his image.



The rest of the post is about missilery.  If it is of interest here is the link.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Ockius on November 22, 2021, 05:13:54 PM
Keep them coming! Enjoying the historical info too.

Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on November 22, 2021, 06:12:01 PM
Will do Ockius and I'm pleased you are enjoying it.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Bloggard on November 23, 2021, 12:59:55 PM
great stuff. looking forward to an en masse pic.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on November 23, 2021, 03:22:50 PM
Thanks Bloggard, it should be next week.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on December 24, 2021, 10:58:54 AM
I’ve started on the command bases for my Gonzalo game.  Two done so far one French and one Spanish.  It is slow going as I’m having to make the banners and that’s new to me in this period.

Anyhow first, a Spanish commander, there are elements of Gonzalo’s personal heraldry in this flag but it is conjectural. Still, it is very recognisable so I’m happy enough.


Second,  Berault Stuart Seigneur d'Aubigny for the French.  The flag is correct as far as I know.

Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Friends of General Haig on December 24, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
Fine looking command bases 👍. Love the flags.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on December 24, 2021, 01:25:55 PM
Thank you, much appreciated.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: MGH on December 28, 2021, 05:59:19 AM
Loved your Crusades stuff, you're doing a great job with this period too.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on December 28, 2021, 01:17:38 PM
Much appreciated MGH.  I'll be getting back to the Crusades in the Spring.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Frostie on January 03, 2022, 11:01:20 AM
Very nice!
I have a lead pile and a painted pile of Italian Wars figures, it's a project I want to follow through on this year.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 03, 2022, 04:03:37 PM
Thanks Frostie.  I've just started on my next pair of commanders.  What scale are you using for your project?
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 13, 2022, 04:11:10 PM
I read in Helion’s recent volumes on the Italian Wars that French soldiers favoured banners depicting St. Martin of Tours.  He was a soldier saint from the Late Roman period famous for an act of charity. Depictions of him mostly show the scene.

I thought I’d like to depict this on a couple of units.  No one makes St. Martin flags so I looked for suitable church frescoes.  I’ve found two so far and I think they have come up well enough.  I’m hoping to find more.

Here are the units, figures from Khurasan, with their St. Martin banners.

Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 17, 2022, 02:13:30 PM
I’ve made a bit more progress on command figures for my Great Italian Wars French and Spanish.  The figures are from Venexia and Blue Moon.  I f you would like a look here is the link.

https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com


Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Ockius on January 17, 2022, 02:53:41 PM
Nice poses here. Question about Blue Moon - what do you think of them? They look a bit stouter and thick-legged compared to other makes, which put me off them, but they do have some models in their range that I could be tempted by.

I’ve got most 15mm Italian Wars makes already and have really enjoyed collecting a big variety, but still missing Blue Moon.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 18, 2022, 12:12:46 AM
I like them Ockius.  They are as you say stout, thick legs too.  Once they are based I tend not to notice it. 

They do have some nice figures in their Italian Wars range.  I have a bunch of their Swiss pike men and found them very easy to paint. I'll post a comparison pic with Venexia and Legio Heroica once they're done.  I think they fit reasonably well with both, but not so with Khurasan. So far I don't have any of the cavalry.

It's all in the eye of the beholder as ever with the toys.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Ockius on January 18, 2022, 08:37:57 AM
Thanks, yes I don’t dislike them, it’s more a case of what would fit with what I already have and I have a lot of Khurasan, plus Museum, Donnington. and others of similar style. Might build a single unit of Blue Moon at some point.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 22, 2022, 11:32:40 AM
Here are three pics of Venexia Landsknechts, Blue Moon Swiss and Khurasan French side by side. 

There’s a Legio Heroica figure in the front rank of the Blue Moon Swiss figures.

I hope that’s of some use to you Ockius, and to anyone else doing the period in15mm.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: Ockius on January 23, 2022, 08:41:56 AM
That’s a handy comparison, thanks. I’ve got a complete English army for the period already, but I am often tempted to keep adding to it, even though I shouldn’t really!
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 23, 2022, 10:47:28 AM
Not a bother.  I bought some Khurasan English too.  I've not got to them yet.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 26, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
My second Spanish General and my third unit of Genitors.  All from Venexia with flags from Pete.

I also finished my third unit of Swiss pike today. This one is mainly unarmoured and has lots of plumed hats.  As I understand it such units were comprised of very brave and reckless young men who would begin the attack.  Lacking the weight of armour their onset was very swift.




Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: caveadsum1471 on January 26, 2022, 04:04:18 PM
Lovely command stand and jinets!
Best Iain
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 26, 2022, 10:12:57 PM
Cheers Iain, I'm gradually getting there.
Title: Re: A Great Italian Wars Project in 15mm
Post by: OB on January 30, 2022, 08:52:47 AM
My Blue Moon Swiss pike unit is now finished.  I also have one each from Venexia and Legio Heroica both nearly done.  I'll likely do a blog post on them and how they compare.  Anyhow, here are a couple of pics of Blue Moon's Swiss offering.  The flags are from Pete's Flags.