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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Atheling on October 12, 2021, 01:58:57 PM

Title: Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?
Post by: Atheling on October 12, 2021, 01:58:57 PM: Hi,

To go with my Italian Wars thread below, To Fornovo and Back Again:
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=118962.msg1683629#msg1683629 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=118962.msg1683629#msg1683629)

I've been trying to figure out which coat of arms Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba would have had carried for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?

So far I have several candidates, four in fact! I am tending towards using the first one (below) but thought it prudent to see if anyone who has a better understanding of Spanish Heraldry for the period could set me straight please ???

The first three are taken from Wappenwiki:
Candidate 1
Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba
1st Duke of Santángelo, Montalto, Terranova, Andría and Sessa
Viceroy of Naples
El Gran Capitan
Younger son of Pedro Fernández de Córdoba, 4th Lord of Aguilar and Priego
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tOL-Jvl7Zyw/YWH2le5j6pI/AAAAAAABICQ/CLzm5onujXojli3U_7gk6X-M_C7v0N6AwCLcBGAsYHQ/s899/1st-Duke-of-Sant%25C3%25A1ngelo%252C-Montalto%252C-Terranova%252C-Andr%25C3%25ADa-and-Sessa-El-Gran-Capitan.jpg)

Candidate 2
Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba
1st Duke of Santángelo, Montalto, Terranova, Andría and Sessa
Alternative arms variant
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jhl8kHBzc70/YWH3AH7QUqI/AAAAAAABICY/U-sJfbZE86kppZTNdtEchONQupoc9fS0ACLcBGAsYHQ/s899/1st-Duke-of-Sant%25C3%25A1ngelo%252C-Montalto%252C-Terranova%252C-Andr%25C3%25ADa-and-Sessa.jpg)

Candidate 3
Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba

1st Duke of Santángelo, Montalto, Terranova, Andría and Sessa
Alternative arms variant V.2
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kfqyABYPupM/YWH3Vsb_RGI/AAAAAAABICg/-BsD0ghr9vY7r3GvsVrfO-2Zybicg-B3gCLcBGAsYHQ/s899/1st-Duke-of-Sant%25C3%25A1ngelo%252C-Montalto%252C-Terranova%252C-Andr%25C3%25ADa-and-Sessa-2.jpg)

And this from my Apanish friend Rafa:
Candidate 4
Gonsalvo de Cordoba
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7khkGJsx-UA/YWWGD-9rYYI/AAAAAAABIDE/pQTdL7MOBkkrCQUFg6xt2E9k3BcBbtXPwCLcBGAsYHQ/s988/Gonzalo%2BDe%2BCordoba%2Bfrom%2BRafa%2B2.jpg)

Any help in figuring out just what Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba's personal coat of arms would have been for the Cerignola 1503 campaign would be brilliant. And very much appreciated. :)

Thanks
Title: Re: Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?
Post by: Kugelfang on October 13, 2021, 08:30:27 PM: For what it's worth I have a reproduction of the sword of The Great Captain dating from 1504-1515. I'm not sure where the original is these days but I have photographs of it in a book published by the Metropolitan Museum of Art. According to the book the pommel of the sword "repeats the motifs of the bronze medals of 1504-05 commemorating the victorious campaign of Apulia...." The reverse of the pommel on my repro is most definitely your candidate No. 1.

--jeff
Title: Re: Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?
Post by: Atheling on October 14, 2021, 08:48:33 AM: Quote from: Kugelfang on October 13, 2021, 08:30:27 PM
For what it's worth I have a reproduction of the sword of The Great Captain dating from 1504-1515. I'm not sure where the original is these days but I have photographs of it in a book published by the Metropolitan Museum of Art. According to the book the pommel of the sword "repeats the motifs of the bronze medals of 1504-05 commemorating the victorious campaign of Apulia...." The reverse of the pommel on my repro is most definitely your candidate No. 1.

--jeff

Thanks Jeff.

I've had four votes from my Spanish friends thus far:

2 for the top image for the second image but backed up with solid information about the origins of some of the heraldic motifs linking them to the dates.

1 for the bottom one (I don't think this is correct for 1503)

Going on the info I have been given thus far No 2 looks to be the most likely choice but that is obviously subject to change.
Title: Re: Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?
Post by: OB on October 14, 2021, 10:44:49 AM: An interesting post and a fine collection of Spanish heraldic components for those currently painting Spanish cavalry. The doesn't seem much around to buy off the shelf. I'm looking forward to seeing your eventual Gonzalo figure.
Title: Re: Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?
Post by: Atheling on October 14, 2021, 11:09:36 AM: Quote from: OB on October 14, 2021, 10:44:49 AM
An interesting post and a fine collection of Spanish heraldic components for those currently painting Spanish cavalry. The doesn't seem much around to buy off the shelf. I'm looking forward to seeing your eventual Gonzalo figure.

The mini's are on the way. I'm going to wait a while until I get something approaching a consensus of opinion as I really don't have enough information to make a call at this point in time.

We shall see :)
Title: Re: Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?
Post by: Philhelm on October 20, 2021, 10:56:14 PM: I can't answer your question, but the first coat of arms would be "easier" to reproduce on a model and nobody will know the difference anyway.
Title: Re: Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?
Post by: Atheling on October 21, 2021, 08:13:03 AM: Quote from: Philhelm on October 20, 2021, 10:56:14 PM
I can't answer your question, but the first coat of arms would be "easier" to reproduce on a model and nobody will know the difference anyway.

I will ;) :)

Actually. from all the people who have piped in with a bit of evidence, including some Spanish mates, No 1 seems to be the best fit so far- so, at the end of the day I've been quite lucky!