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Title: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 04:55:02 AM
Bit of a placeholder as I work on this project..... ;)
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 04:57:22 AM
Something to go bang in the Tiergarten or the Forst Grunewald.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 05:04:35 AM
Gallant defenders of RAF Gatow Part 1.

RAF Gatow had a fairly mixed complement of Army and RAF Signals types along with cooks, a security section (presumably RAF Police) ATC and general odds and sods as well as being the location of the Gatow Station Flight (2X Chipmunks, watch this space) and 7 Flight AAC ( 3X Gazelles).

Army first, crabs come later.  :)
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 05:06:07 AM
Blowpipe.

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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 05:09:18 AM
And of course the secret weapon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEu4g6HN9I0
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 05:20:46 AM
The err... eventual, relief column (?) Currently located some 200 or so km to the west.  :)
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 05:49:04 AM
A bit of the opposition. 6th Guards Separate Motor Rifle Brigade. Supposedly the plan was for them to motor through the Brandenburger Tor, past the Soviet War Memorial and then along Strasse des 17. Juni to the west. A scenic trip.
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Post by: Blackwolf on November 04, 2021, 05:50:40 AM
Nice! I have a similar idea though with Centurions set in Oz :)
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 04, 2021, 06:38:01 AM
A subject close to my heart. Will you be doing any Royal Welch Fusiliers? Or modeling the Irish Pub in the Europa Center?
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Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on November 04, 2021, 08:49:39 AM
Brilliant.

Will the Blow pipe actually hit anything? Roll 4 6's to achieve a hit.  lol
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 09:12:47 AM
A subject close to my heart. Will you be doing any Royal Welch Fusiliers? Or modeling the Irish Pub in the Europa Center?

Set a bit early for the RWF, nominally 1984, so 3 RRF, 1 Hampshires and 1 POWY. Of course as they are all in combats and tin hats they could be anyone, so they will also see service in BAOR.

I suppose I could build the Europa Center but then I would really need to build the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche as well. I have been thinking about that there actually is an STL file from WoWat least for the old, bombed bit but I don't have a printer. I'll be starting in the 'burbs cos the terrain will be a bit more manageable and i can use some of my existing stuff. I'm building a parallel 1961 collection so trying to get double use where possible.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 04, 2021, 09:29:27 AM
Ah I did not catch your specific setting date, I was just looking at the kit. As you say, a bit early for the RWF.

I am unsure if the Brits had the same plans as us Yanks but we intended to fight in the sewers if we survived the initial onslaught. That or put on civilian clothes and hide among the civilian population if it came to that. At least that was what us lower ranked enlisted grunts thought at McNair Barracks. I spent 4 months on exchange with the RWF but did not learn much about their battle plans in that time, focusing more on exchanging individual infantry skills and drinking beer.

My memory is not what it used to be and it was a long time ago but there was a saying we used to have, something like “Many thought we would only last 3 hours. We figured 3 days. We hoped to last three weeks which would delay enough troops long enough to help units in the West. If we could hold out 3 months we would have won the war.” Something like that.

Also… “Berlin… the worlds largest military POW camp”.

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Post by: tomrommel1 on November 04, 2021, 10:24:47 AM
nice project
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Post by: Ash on November 04, 2021, 11:17:03 AM
Looking good. I like the mix of blokes in the 'Gallant defenders of RAF Gatow' shot, which models are those & got anymore pictures..?
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: CapnJim on November 04, 2021, 05:29:01 PM
Also… “Berlin… the worlds largest military POW camp”.

In my day, we had a slightly different moniker for West Berlin - "The worlds largest Armed military POW camp”...

But as to the toys - well done!  But methinks the Brits might need a bit more then a troop of Chieftains to come to the rescue... :D
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 08:12:47 PM
Looking good. I like the mix of blokes in the 'Gallant defenders of RAF Gatow' shot, which models are those & got anymore pictures..?

A mixture of MoFo Congo, Eureka Rhodesians with head swaps and some putty work plus a couple of Crooked Dice soldiers.

As a mixture of AAC, REME and signallers, I thought a relaxed look would suit best and it gave me the chance to re-purpose some toys that were hanging around unpainted.

Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 08:19:26 PM
In my day, we had a slightly different moniker for West Berlin - "The worlds largest Armed military POW camp”...

But as to the toys - well done!  But methinks the Brits might need a bit more then a troop of Chieftains to come to the rescue... :D

Well money was tight under John Nott. If you think the relief force is a bit light on, wait until you see the garrison itself.  :D
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 08:22:53 PM
A couple of conversions.

Empress with spare Eureka Carl Gustav and another Eureka Rhodesian with an Empress head.

I have enough spares to kit out the platoon with either  one CG per section or none. I suspect that in Berlin the armour threat was considered fairly high, given they faced an NVA Motorised Regiment, a Soviet independent brigade and about another division's worth of Grenztruppen, plus associated Volkspolizei and Kampfgruppe der Arbeiterklasse, much of which was motorised.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 08:28:49 PM
Try and spot the incredibly well concealed snipers. Probably somewhere on the Maifeld.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 08:34:37 PM
Gallant defenders of Gatow, Part 2.

The RAF. Wasn't sure what RAF Police/ security sections would be wearing if the balloon went up but Istumbled across some photos of snowdrops defending Greenham Common in 1984. They were wearing a mixture of combat trousers, the occasional lightweight trousers and shirtsleeves and  I thought well, that's good enough for me.

Mostly MoFo Congo Mercs but a Eureka Aden Brit with head swap to make up the numbers.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 08:47:30 PM
Cap'n Jim will be relieved to know that while the garrison is small, it has the support (perhaps not of the most enthusaistic variety) of the Berlin police.

Underfire Polizei with some 1/48 aircrew figures adapted with hats and Walther SMGs from old Wargames Factory sets.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2021, 08:52:52 PM
Last but not least, one of the directing staff/ exercise umpires at Ruhleben Fighting City, wondering why no bugger has turned up.

For my BAOR and West Germans I have made up a couple of exercise umpires one for each side. Thought I'd field one here.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on November 04, 2021, 10:42:54 PM
Excellent selection of models.

Though I look forward to seeing your version of the Mondrian paint job that Berlin was famous for.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: AKULA on November 04, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
A great looking project - you really have been busy  8)
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: CapnJim on November 05, 2021, 01:06:04 AM
Well, if Der Polizei are present, then we've nothing to worry about.  They'll take photos of BMPs and T62s exceeding the posted speed limit, and mail them tickets.  Plus, as I'm sure the Soviets and East Germans will have been drinking, DWIs all around.  There - problem solved!  :D

Seriously folks, more nicely painted figs there.  You're going to have quite the cast of characters for your battles there...   
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 05, 2021, 02:28:47 AM
Nice touch with the umpire.
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Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on November 05, 2021, 08:32:41 AM
Looking good.

Have you made the terrain yet?
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on November 05, 2021, 10:05:14 AM
Looking good.

Have you made the terrain yet?

Cheers!

Working on terrain as we speak. Looking to move somewhere bigger before Christmas so will hopefully have more space to set it up. Bit of suburbia first, fighting on the outskirts in Spandau, then if I get inspired, might do some more built up/ blown up bits of Charlottenburg and beyond. I must do a U-Bahn station entrance.

No, I will not be making 28mm versions of the Brandenburg Gate, the Charlottenburg Palace, Spandau Prison or even Wavell Barracks. Admittedly, a bombed out version of the latter does appeal. I also spent a bit of time wondering how to make the Siegessäule but I’ve given that up as far too much work. Pity, I had plans to trap the invading Soviets in a five lane roundabout. :D

Fortunately this is an adjunct to a wider BAOR/ Third World War project so some bits will see use elsewhere. Alas, many archetypal architecture styles suitable for Lower Saxony don’t really translate well to Berlin. Not so many fachwerk houses in the capital. Along the way I have built up an impressive garage of early ‘80s German cars.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 05, 2021, 10:10:25 AM
Excellent selection of models.

Though I look forward to seeing your version of the Mondrian paint job that Berlin was famous for.

Soon. The Chieftain just received its white base coat. Had a bugger of a time finding a vaguely suitable blue grey. Soon as I did I re-read the Tankograd book on the Berlin Brigade and discovered there was a subtle change in colour over the years.  >:(

Oh well, the die is cast. If the weather holds up I’ll start masking it off tomorrow. Looks a horrid job, as Chieftains aren’t graced with lots of flat planes.
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Post by: Ash on November 05, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
A mixture of MoFo Congo, Eureka Rhodesians with head swaps and some putty work plus a couple of Crooked Dice soldiers.


I thought I'd spotted the Eureka RAR MAG bloke, great head swap choice, the 'tash really looks the part.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on November 05, 2021, 11:09:47 AM
Cheers!

Working on terrain as we speak. Looking to move somewhere bigger before Christmas so will hopefully have more space to set it up. Bit of suburbia first, fighting on the outskirts in Spandau, then if I get inspired, might do some more built up/ blown up bits of Charlottenburg and beyond. I must do a U-Bahn station entrance.

No, I will not be making 28mm versions of the Brandenburg Gate, the Charlottenburg Palace, Spandau Prison or even Wavell Barracks. Admittedly, a bombed out version of the latter does appeal. I also spent a bit of time wondering how to make the Siegessäule but I’ve given that up as far too much work. Pity, I had plans to trap the invading Soviets in a five lane roundabout. :D

Fortunately this is an adjunct to a wider BAOR/ Third World War project so some bits will see use elsewhere. Alas, many archetypal architecture styles suitable for Lower Saxony don’t really translate well to Berlin. Not so many fachwerk houses in the capital. Along the way I have built up an impressive garage of early ‘80s German cars.

What about one of the WW2 flack towers  lol lol lol lol
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 05, 2021, 11:17:09 AM
Cheers! I forgot that that the Congo Mercs were Mongrel. There are a couple of Mofo (Gripping Beast) figures there, the chap with the 66mm rocket and the Blowpipe gunner has a Mofo donor body. He once had what I assume was a rather anaemic M79. Probably a more useful weapon, even against aircraft.

I think I still have a few RhAR figures about. I originally bought them to do a 1970s fictional emirate. Their cousins from the ZANLA range have become my universal go to figure. They serve as Nicaraguans, Iranians and various other things.

I just wish Underfire would do some support weapons for their East Germans. Doubt that will happen so more figure splicing on the horizon.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 05, 2021, 11:22:12 AM
What about one of the WW2 flack towers  lol lol lol lol

They blowed dem up after the war. I think there’s only a bit of one still visible. Didn’t bother to look when I was there. The beer was too good.  :D
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Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on November 05, 2021, 11:28:31 AM
They blowed dem up after the war. I think there’s only a bit of one still visible. Didn’t bother to look when I was there. The beer was too good.  :D

So they did.  o_o

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Post by: carlos marighela on November 05, 2021, 11:33:02 AM
Of course the easy way to go would be to model Potsdamer Platz in the 1980s. Bear in mind this was in the centre of town and before the war one of the busiest and liveliest areas, home to the famous Cafe Josti.

For 1984 all you would need is a large area of wasteland with a back drop of the wall. The monorail didn’t get built until 1987 and lasted two years so no Simpson’s gags sadly.

Outside the British sector anyway IIRC so maybe when I do the Yanks.
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Post by: CapnJim on November 05, 2021, 03:30:01 PM
Outside the British sector anyway IIRC so maybe when I do the Yanks.

Yanks?  Sure.  And don't forget our French friends.  Once the balloon goes up, I would think it's all in....
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 05, 2021, 06:33:58 PM
I haven’t, in fact to be honest I’d love to do the French. I already have the VABs and an AMX-30  and I loved walking around Wedding but alas nobody makes suitable French infantry for the 1980s. Pity as it's a period where they are looking pretty spiffy.
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Post by: CapnJim on November 05, 2021, 10:05:27 PM
Yeah - available French skips from Indochina straight through to the Gulf Wars.  Tis a pity Mongrel miniatures didn't make any.  Seems they make about everyone else from that period....
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Post by: Cypher226 on November 05, 2021, 11:00:31 PM

I just wish Underfire would do some support weapons for their East Germans. Doubt that will happen so more figure splicing on the horizon.

I had an exchange with the owner via messenger (Facebook) a few weeks ago and he said he was looking for community wants for sculpting directi, may be worth emailing him?
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 06, 2021, 09:12:29 PM
Cheers, might just do that.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 08, 2021, 06:31:43 AM
Taking advantage of what might be the best weather for the week, I masked off the Chieftain and started on the Mondrian inspired camouflage scheme. As expected, with such a complex shape or set of shapes and my crap masking skills there was a bit of bleed through and despite trying to follow the diagrams and photos as best as I could I realised that I had made a couple of errors.

So I gave it a spray with the blue grey (actually a Tamiya US Navy colour) as that looked closest. I'm not convinced . I tried another blue grey, this time Vallejo and that seems closer but I'm still looking for something closer still. The plan always was to spray the blue-grey over the white and then brush paint in the brown. Now I suspect touching up will see me repainting most of it by hand. That said the current scheme mostly works as a template so not effort wasted.
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 08, 2021, 06:52:11 AM
Just for Akula whose thread on this board has been inspirational.

This is not part of the Berlin project but it may see some use in the BAOR one.

In the early '80s the Hawk T1As of the Tactical Weapons Units were dual roled with an emergency war time role, principally as Air Defence of the UK. The idea was that a Phantom or Tornado would supply the radar guidance and the Sidewinder equipped Hawks would act as cut price interceptors. Anyway the training squadrons were formed as 'shadow squadrons' and given the instructors would have been some of the RAF's better pilots it probably would have been a worthwhile exercise. The Hawks were also used for air to ground weapons training and I suppose if the Harrier attrition was high enough they could have been used as proxy ground attack aircraft.

A few years ago I bought the kids some Airfix Quickbuild kits. They are essentially Airfix's answer to Lego, being constructed from Lego like pieces. They've long since disappeared but I remembered that they were fun to put together and looked pretty accurate, given the constraints of the medium. the Hawk as it happens scales out to 1/55 so naturally I decided I needed one. About 15 minutes faffing about putting it together and then maybe an hour or so's time adding bits from the spares box, painting it and applying decals (not including drying time). It's not a precise scale model so no need to go overboard, just a a fun diversion and who knows, one day it might see some use.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 08, 2021, 07:25:07 AM
I think that Hawk looks sharp.
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Post by: nickdives on November 10, 2021, 12:13:25 PM
A nice Chipmonk would be good, not forgetting modelling "Sticky Platz" with Mon Cheri complete with bath, a suitable place for elements of 3 Int & Sy Coy to make their last stand!
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Post by: carlos marighela on November 10, 2021, 02:25:10 PM
Stuttgarter Platz is a possibility, in fact it’s quite a good idea. Not sure about modelling heart shaped bubble baths though.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 10, 2021, 02:43:12 PM
… how would you model the bubbles and bead curtains?
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Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 11, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
Excellent.
I assume the Harrier is too late a model:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rE7xOYitba0/Whxen8cfMBI/AAAAAAAACrc/QY9GqGfMk2IJyx258135_J5cRjrAMpaxgCLcBGAs/s1600/quickharrier-04.png)

How is the Chieftain going?
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Post by: madman on December 11, 2021, 06:14:41 PM
Great luck this came to the surface. With a name like that I never would have found it.

Back in the day one of my favorite hex and counter games was SPI's Berlin '85. Punched it and laid it out a few times but no opponents. Then a couple years ago found another guy interested so played a couple games since then. The French were overrun without much trouble despite having some of the best units. Just too few. The Americans fared better but the overwhelming artillery wore them away as well. Only the British seemed to have success. Held off their sector and started clearing out Soviet paras from the airports only to eventually be worn away. Still just as I envisioned it in my mind 40+ years ago.

I also have a set of scenarios for skirmish set, I think, a year or two earlier. Just getting into skirmish so they should make the table eventually.

I always loved the map from Berlin '85 and wonder if anyone has a link to a map of Berlin from the period. I am a map fanatic, and especially city maps so would love to get my hands on one. Even one of the city map books. I have one for Tokyo I bought once while visiting.
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Post by: commissarmoody on December 12, 2021, 07:34:09 AM
Excellent.
I assume the Harrier is too late a model:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rE7xOYitba0/Whxen8cfMBI/AAAAAAAACrc/QY9GqGfMk2IJyx258135_J5cRjrAMpaxgCLcBGAs/s1600/quickharrier-04.png)

How is the Chieftain going?
Id still use it. for lack of a better model.
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Post by: Ragnar on December 12, 2021, 08:56:01 AM
Excellent project; looking forward to it developing further, and maybe some AARs.
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Post by: FreakyFenton on December 14, 2021, 05:19:03 PM
So they did.  o_o

Sorry just stumbled on this, if it is of interest, one of the flak towers is still standing, albeit in Hamburg on the Heiligengeistfeld. There are a few pictures online.
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Post by: Ben Cato on December 15, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
There is a Flaktower in Berlin. I visited it in 2017. Flakturm III  Humboldthanin near the main railway station for Berlin.
It has lots of concrete and is very big.
Not sure if this will work.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Flak+Tower+III+Humboldthain/@52.5474971,13.3828948,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47a8522125f5edc5:0xfc772762ccbad6a6!8m2!3d52.5474939!4d13.3850835?hl=en&authuser=0
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Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 15, 2021, 10:39:04 PM
This is one in the distance in Vienna.
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhefGT158ntpZsJVQvttKIRkyEP2oQH0-Lv4m7jEQU4BUzaJmUkU_5pvqS4qtDmykGfIsF4l71j0SHhBRLP7Xv6u7wl4LHHxc44W7zuAh7ASPpCt3PHqV1inMoIeh_49-ClUVhuxxuY4HE3T86tDwT6GEXq0unKwWf7shqknvbg_gMXjxMWFzGJpBgzoA=s500)
I did find this (in German and I have only looked at the pictures so far):
http://www.airpower.at/news03/0813_luftkrieg_ostmark/flaktuerme.htm (http://www.airpower.at/news03/0813_luftkrieg_ostmark/flaktuerme.htm)
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Post by: carlos marighela on December 16, 2021, 12:24:52 AM
The Humboldthain Flak Tower is mostly buried in rubble, they created an artificial hill from it in the park after the war. Apparently it’s a significant roost for bat colonies, so cue The Birthday Party’s ‘Release the Bats’ (nicely time and space specific as Nick Cave was living in Berlin around that time IIRC).

Won’t be looking at it, at least in part because Humboldthain Park was in the French Sector (part of the municipality of Wedding IIRC). Now if someone wants to produce 28mm early ‘80s French, I’ll be all over them like a cheap suit.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on December 16, 2021, 10:00:34 AM
Imagine a line of 80’s Cold War soldiers from Wargames Atlantic… French, East German, British, American…. the last of the Soviets. So much potential!

Perfect for old school Twilight 2000…. Red Dawn… Operation Flashpoint… or your own project.
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Post by: vodkafan on December 28, 2021, 05:06:29 PM
Great looking project. Back in the 80's I had a friend in the RAF Regiment in Germany. He had wanted to be a pilot but during the tests they found his brain was susceptible to flashing lights and could trigger Epilepsy. So they offered him the RAF Regiment instead.
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Post by: CapnJim on December 28, 2021, 08:14:06 PM
Imagine a line of 80’s Cold War soldiers from Wargames Atlantic… French, East German, British, American…. the last of the Soviets. So much potential!

Now, I would dig that... :D

And, while not in the area in which your scenarios will play out, there are a few flak towers left in Italy between Lucca and Florence.  We could see them from the train.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on March 09, 2022, 07:59:31 PM
Probably the wrong scale but saw this and thought of this thread…

https://www.ebay.de/itm/185331626034?hash=item2b26a03032:g:6M8AAOSwhGlbdCwn

I seem to recall the Land Rovers of the Royal Welch in Berlin the early 90’s being olive drab and only the tanks being in this camo pattern but my memory is not what it used to be.
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Post by: SJWi on March 09, 2022, 08:20:14 PM
Grumpy, I have seen photos of landrovers and the FV432/Fox turret lash-up painted in the "Berlin Brigade" urban scheme.  I have painted some of my 15mm "Seven Days to the River Rhine" force in this scheme just to be a bit different. It was surprisingly easy to paint freehand.   
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Post by: AKULA on March 09, 2022, 08:51:17 PM
Just reread this thread again - so many great ideas  8)
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Post by: carlos marighela on March 09, 2022, 10:19:22 PM
On a temporary hiatus. Just moved house and still doing the treasure hunt. In addition my hobby room has magically become 'storage' and my sister in law is camped out in the sunroom at the front.

Normal service will be resumed... at some stage.
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Post by: Golgotha on March 09, 2022, 10:43:08 PM
I think the Land Rover would look better in olive drab. I remember driving around in these with the Westminster Dragoons imagining they were Scorpions... lol
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Post by: CapnJim on March 09, 2022, 10:57:15 PM
Ignoring the paint job for a moment, that land Rover might look OK (enough) for 28mm, even in 1:43.  The smaller the 1:43 vehicle, the less "too big" they seem, to me anyway...
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on March 10, 2022, 06:48:51 AM
After experimenting with a lot of vehicles from different companies in different scales I am using a number of 1/43 scale vehicles for 28mm but they may not work for others. It really is quite a subjective issue down to personal taste and perspective.

SJWi, thanks for the reminder… I do seem to have a hazy recollection of 432’s painted in the scheme in Berlin but not the landies, at least not in the Royal Welch.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on March 10, 2022, 08:38:12 AM
I’ll check my references but I’m not sure that many B vehicles were treated to the Berlin scheme. The problem is that it’s a sexy scheme and some restorers of vintage British Army kit have taken to painting this way. I’m pretty sure that’s the case with that diecast. It’s a  1/2 ton light weight and it just happens that there’s a bloke that restored one of those in the UK and painted in the Berlin scheme.

Not even all the A vehicles were painted in the scheme. There are photos of Foxes and Ferrets still daubed in standard green and black as well as Berlin scheme. Actually I went with a Fox in green and black because the Berlin version I have references for was an attractive angular scheme.

It’s a bit like restored SAS Pink Panthers and LRDG Chevvies, there are probably more of them about today than existed back then.  :)

Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: SJWi on March 10, 2022, 08:55:19 AM
Carlos, I have seen period photos showing Chieftains, FV432s, Fox armoured cars and the FV432/Fox turret combo in "urban camo". I will confess the photos of landrovers all seem to be more modern so may be re-enactor paint jobs!
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on March 10, 2022, 10:52:13 AM
Oh yes, the Chieftains and the FV432s, were definitely painted that way as was the singular ARV. Foxes and Ferrets got the treatment as well, at least some of them.

I am lead to believe that the Berlin Brigade made extensive use of locally purchased German trucks. I’ve seen photos of early model Unimogs ,towing Mobat, dating to the 1960s but never found anything later. If anyone has any info on what was in place in the early 1980s I’d love to know.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: majorsmith on March 11, 2022, 05:50:18 PM
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Gallant defenders of Gatow, Part 2.

The RAF. Wasn't sure what RAF Police/ security sections would be wearing if the balloon went up but Istumbled across some photos of snowdrops defending Greenham Common in 1984. They were wearing a mixture of combat trousers, the occasional lightweight trousers and shirtsleeves and  I thought well, that's good enough for me.


My dad was in the RAF police,  I think you’ve got it right with the use of DPM and lightweights mostly whilst on station duties my dad wore the lightweights, earlier on in the 80s DPM, he also wore the turtle shell type helmet on exercises etc
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: Golgotha on March 11, 2022, 08:14:18 PM
Those are lovely photos. Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Ich hab so Heimweh nach dem Kurfürstendamm
Post by: carlos marighela on March 11, 2022, 09:05:55 PM

My dad was in the RAF police,  I think you’ve got it right with the use of DPM and lightweights mostly whilst on station duties my dad wore the lightweights, earlier on in the 80s DPM, he also wore the turtle shell type helmet on exercises etc

Much appreciated! Always nice to know one’s best guesses have some factual support.