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Title: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 13/6/10
Post by: Sangennaru on September 25, 2009, 05:49:12 PM

Hy everyone! in the last week i worked a lot for my physics exams, but i found some time for starting a new project: a modular 15mm wwII house.
Probably here nobody's intrested in 15mm games, but just take a look and leave your comments!:)


the building is made for moulding, and I have already done the first parts of the modular whole house. I used mostly ceramics powder for this beta moudls, because the resin (I use Syntafoam) is really expensive...
here's the first shots:

(http://i37.tinypic.com/10y3tab.jpg)

I made just one ground floor with door and an upper floor... I am planning to make anoter grounf floor with no door and other 3 upper floor (two 3windowed and two 5 windowed...) so the two different floors will be different, with not copypaste effect!
Then i also have to prepare the floors and the roof, and then... i'm done :P

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2d98qxx.jpg)

this is...... ehm... my "lab"  ::) ::) ::)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/25riate.jpg)


hope you enjoy this! I will post updates as soon as possible!
Cheers,
Jack

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 25, 2009, 05:52:38 PM

the model is marvellous
hope you enjoy Your Lab  ;)

15 mm???it looks bigger with Your keyboard
since You can cast it, do You sell?

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 25, 2009, 05:56:50 PM

Quote from: former user on September 25, 2009, 05:52:38 PM

15 mm???it looks bigger with Your keyboard

berlin (and milan) houses are pretty tall, around 3.5 - 4 meters per floor... so I made a 3,5 cm floors, that are realistic for 15mm and also suitable for 20mm, maybe a bit weird...  lol

Quote from: former user on September 25, 2009, 05:52:38 PM

since You can cast it, do You sell?

I will. I am really young and that's is almost my first project... but I am learning how to cast pretty good, and I am planning to finish this product for november... since then, i can think about selling....
why? are you interested?  :D

cheers,
Jack

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 25, 2009, 06:06:19 PM

basically, yes

once You tell me how You are going to close the corners, the size of the doors and windows and if the product is going to survive transport, I might be thinking of it

btw, Milan is a lovely City
been there twice

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 25, 2009, 06:11:58 PM

you'll see the finished product!

btw, I can cast in resin or ceramics (or other stuff that i haven't tried yet): resin is extremely hard and strong, and I can send you from a cannon with no scratches, but it is a bit expensive and you cannot mod it at all... ceramics is fantastic for modding (i've made the master mostly in ceramic), but I'm not shure about shipping..... i think i will have to test it! XD

really, i'm going to make a lot of improvements soon, so keep watching the post... :P

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 25, 2009, 06:16:27 PM

I will

You are very talented
the casts look pretty professional

will You give me the measures?
Don't forget the balcony for the door side on upper levels

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 25, 2009, 07:52:28 PM

ghghgh, tnx... I've a lot to learn more, i hope..... ^^"

I'm not really shure about measures, but I can say something about what will be:

the floors are 3,5 cm tall (the first one is 4,5), the doors are 1 cm large, and the windows about 0.6 cm. the standard floor should be around 10x15 cm (something less), but if you combine together different modules you can have a bigger building.

just because I have no experience, I have to admit that I have to figure out how to fit all the parts together, I've just an overall Idea... anyway, they will fit! :P

for the balcony..... I will do that after the first finished product... I am really curious to see it completed... :P

cheers,
Jack

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 25, 2009, 08:29:45 PM

hmmm
I guess we have a misunderstanding
if the ground level is 4,5 cm, the door can't be 1
I think You gave me the width
I wanted to know the height  (altezza) of both
to be able to judge if they fit with miniatures

You might as well take a picture of the ground level plate with a 28, 20, and 15 mm figure

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: fastolfrus on September 25, 2009, 10:25:53 PM

Looks good so far, but waiting to see the finished building next to some figures for scale comparison.

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 25, 2009, 11:44:26 PM

ups, former user... i thought you asked that for the base size of minis.... the height of the door is around 18mm, a bit short for a 20mm miniature... the overall size is pretty accetable, but the doors are a bit shorter... the windows, from the ground, are from 6 to 20 mm (around 14mm high).

for the photo, i'm sorry but my camera is out of charge, and I have to wait till tomorrow to go to my parent's room for another battery... tomorrow I will post photos!!

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 26, 2009, 12:49:16 AM

18 mm is OK for 20 mm figures for old houses

unfortunately not for 28 mm  :-[ :(

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Bako on September 26, 2009, 07:12:29 AM

It is if the population consists of midgets ;).

Sorry for the slight derail, but is that tooth paste I see in that last picture? And a computer mouse with... A gel-pad?

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 26, 2009, 08:00:47 AM

don't look too  close
be warned - you might discover things you never wanted to know

if he sells his casts, I am sure we all could help to provide for a proper table, and a Reinemachefrau once a week  ;)

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Remgain on September 26, 2009, 08:16:34 AM

Ciao, Jack!

Great work! Looks quite impressive, and I like the idea of modular buildings.
Anyway, as it happens that I'm from Milan as well, in the ground floor I think you have to put the cellar windows (le finestrelle delle cantine) on all the sides.

And we have to discuss about that ceramic...

Bravo! :)
Marco

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 26, 2009, 08:24:36 AM

I think he only started
and since he noticed (or better - planned) that the door piece is higher than the others, I guess there will be a 1cm piece with finestrelle for the ground foor window pieces as well as corner pieces with stonework

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 26, 2009, 08:30:13 AM

Quote from: Bako Ikaporamee on September 26, 2009, 07:12:29 AM

Sorry for the slight derail, but is that tooth paste I see in that last picture? And a computer mouse with... A gel-pad?

ahaha, toothpaste? i have to admit, i have almost everything, but i miss that... :P
the mouse is a MX518, and I know that it looks horrible (it is just a pattern, not gel)... but it is something awesome for gaming!!! XD


actually, 15mm is 15mm... I've been working on it lately for two reasons: first, it's my first project, and working on a smaller scale is REALLY cheaper. Secondly, here in Italy there's a lot of FoG players,so i think they should be a good target!

Quote from: former user on September 26, 2009, 08:24:36 AM

I think he only started
and since he noticed (or better - planned) that the door piece is higher than the others, I guess there will be a 1cm piece with finestrelle for the ground foor window pieces as well as corner pieces with stonework

I started, but I cannot do everything! that's the point: since we have in milan a lot of wonderful buildings, i took some inspiration by them. But i want to make some berlin look houses, so i avoided some particular traits that are from milan buildings... anyway, maybe I will... for now, i will just keep working on that stuff... but you're giving me tons of suggestions! that's great!

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 26, 2009, 10:54:08 AM

scale comparison here:

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2d18oc3.jpg)

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2u73z1c.jpg)

(http://i35.tinypic.com/15z3wwi.jpg)

cheers,
Jack

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 26, 2009, 11:05:52 AM

 :( obviously too small for 28mm, but just fine for 20 mmm

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 26, 2009, 11:20:35 PM

yep, unfortunately... isnt'anybody here that's into 20 or 15mm?

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 26, 2009, 11:30:28 PM

there are many who are into 15 and 20 mm
if you want to sell, finish your product and post it in the bazaar

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 26, 2009, 11:33:28 PM

that's not the point... i will sell in a far future, when I will be so brave to finish my project.... it is just for having people giving me suggestions on what to do or what is better! :)
anyway, former user, really thanks for your support :P

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Bako on September 27, 2009, 01:23:18 AM

I like 15-20mm scale, I just don't have very many figures of that scale. I would be interested in the future though if you ever make these available.

Title: Re: WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 27, 2009, 02:00:21 AM

change the topic title to 15/20 mm, there might be some who haven't seen it yet

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: widor on September 27, 2009, 11:47:24 AM

i would be interested in buying such modular building...it only depends on the price and quality

so hurry up and present us more pictures  :)

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 27, 2009, 12:16:38 PM

Fast question: flat roof or tiled roof?

flat roof means more surfaces where to put minis, means more possibilities on modular combinations, and a bit cheaper products (less parts, more flat parts)
tiled roof means more estetic, more realistic and much more mittleuropean...

I'm sayng that cuz I'm just starting now to make the roof...

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: fastolfrus on September 27, 2009, 12:28:07 PM

We have a lot of 15mm and 20mm players at our club, so no worries about the scale being popular, especially for WWII gamers.

As for the roof, make both versions, flat roof and tiled roof. Gives you double the options on the finished version.

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 27, 2009, 12:45:50 PM

ok, I'll reformulate my question: shall I make before the flat or the tiled? I would like to finish this for november, before adding different modular possibilities, so I have to decide, for now, whattodo! :P

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 27, 2009, 01:01:35 PM

OK

make it flat
this way you keep your options open and it is easier
whoever wants a tiled roof should be able to build one from cheap model railway material
yet it is more difficult to convert a tiled roof to a flat one

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house UPDATE 30/9/09
Post by: Sangennaru on September 29, 2009, 10:12:10 PM

New images: that's the work I've done since now... I painted it cuz I'm REALLY bored, in this days, for the study...

anyway, still the windows ar missing, and the facade ins't so strainght, cause it is made of a wrong mould.... there are also the second and third floor that are the same, but I am still making another fersion for the upper roof...

here's a shot, it is just a uncompleted preview, and it should be painted much better than so... I'm not a painter, and I don't pretend to be! :):):)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/6z1wxs.jpg)

cheers,
Jack

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on September 30, 2009, 09:52:11 AM

geez  "boy"  ;)
that looks good!

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: widor on September 30, 2009, 09:33:45 PM

it looks really great!!!

so hurry up and finish the moulds, so that we can buy some parts from you  :)

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on September 30, 2009, 10:02:08 PM

ahaha, don't worry and don't be impatient! :P I have some exams to do, and I'm working veri hard on them (no, that's not true... but I cannot work on the building, because that's not ethic!  :D :D) anyway, before november I will finish it... at least the exterior... The interior... who knows? :P

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: widor on October 01, 2009, 01:30:20 PM

Quote

anyway, before november I will finish it... at least the exterior... The interior... who knows?

who needs the interior for gaming? i think it is even better to play without a lot of fancy details inside the building..and it is better and faster to paint

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on October 06, 2009, 11:11:56 PM

I am really sad, I planned to mould the new stuff this evening but I'll do tomorrow: I spent the all day making a compressor for the airbrush, using gardening tubes and a car compressor bought for 5 euros... :)

well, I'll add photos tomorrow, hoping that the moulds will be allright! :)

@ widor: I am a modelist before a wargamer, and I am planning to make interiors. IF i will sell the casting, of course there'll be available the two options! :)

BTW, I'm making the flat roof. for the tiled one, I have a project, but it'll take quite a long time! :(

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on October 07, 2009, 01:24:08 PM

how is Your exam prep going, btw?

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: Sangennaru on October 07, 2009, 01:39:25 PM

asd, not so good... it is the worst mark i have taken in one year... but I still passed it!! (25/30... :( )

thanks for asking :P

Title: Re: 15-20mm WWII Berlin (or Milan?) house
Post by: former user on October 07, 2009, 01:53:25 PM

too much house building?  ;) >:D

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building (UPDATE 8/10/09)
Post by: Sangennaru on October 08, 2009, 10:51:55 PM

Quote from: former user on October 07, 2009, 01:53:25 PM

too much house building?  ;) >:D

Hahaha, maybe you're right.... :(
BTW,
here's some new shots:
I've done all the walls, and I tried setting up the first floor, without the corners, the'yre still moulding.... :)
(http://i35.tinypic.com/35bh26t.jpg)

here,'s the first floor. The two side walls are for the city, cause there are only two sides with windows, when you are between other buildings. Of course there'll be also the four sides version, with windows everywhere! :) (i would appreciate that version much more...) It is still BETA, there's no floor on the ground, cause I'm making it right now, and without corners the four walls are not perfectely straight. anyway, it seems it'll become something nice! :)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/dlj70g.jpg)

(http://i34.tinypic.com/1g0zmv.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2icbryr.jpg)

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 08/10/09
Post by: former user on October 08, 2009, 11:26:43 PM

looks good

Do I see corners?

btw, even if unrealistic, closed street facades on a tabletop would be rather dull, since they would divide the table...
narrow lanes in between should be OK

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 12/10/09
Post by: Sangennaru on October 12, 2009, 11:11:30 PM

Hy everyone... Some slight news, I've done the corners and the floor!!! here there are two pics of the first floor, but theyre horrible, cause i finished the GOOD plaster, and I used the bad one... now I'm making a 3 floor house with ceramics, and I hope It'll become much better.... :)

here's some photos... the floor is completely broken cause it is simple plaster, really wak, not suitable for casting... :( everything was closed ong sunday.... :(

(http://i34.tinypic.com/216737.jpg)

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2vdi81j.jpg)

and here there are some parts of the 3 staired bulding I'm gonna assemble tomorrow!!!

(http://i36.tinypic.com/ri7x1f.jpg)

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 16/10/09
Post by: Sangennaru on October 16, 2009, 09:03:31 PM

first floor done: here is one version, I can make several different versions (flat sides, flat corners for row houses...), and i had a lot of problems for assembly it... I will make again the corners and the ledge...

BTW I have also done the window and the door, but i don't haver the resin, cause the shop was closed... So sad... :(

here's some pics:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2vv0ztd.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/1zl6mhe.jpg)

here's an isometrical view: the corners in the inside are brokens cause it is plaster, if it was resin they will be stronger than... than a nokia!  lol
(http://i36.tinypic.com/120pd1i.jpg)

hopwe you like it!

cheers,
Jack

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 16/10/09
Post by: former user on October 17, 2009, 10:20:56 AM

looks terrific apart from the fact that I can't recognize a thing in black....

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 13/12/09
Post by: Sangennaru on December 13, 2009, 11:52:52 PM

ok, at this time of the nigth, only a short shoot on the first cast: there are still many things to improve, but I think it will take a very short time (ok, i said that also the last time... :( ) but as you can see is nearly finished


as you can see, the casting is pretty good, even if the assembling part is such a pain... for now, I'm planning to remould the most hard parts... :P

here's the corner view, tomorrow I will post much more photos! :)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2qtye1e.jpg)

there are some minis of various scale, to check the size!

cheers, waiting for your opinions!!

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 16/10/09
Post by: Remgain on December 14, 2009, 08:06:10 AM

Stupendo! :-* :o

Marco

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: Seagull on December 15, 2009, 10:57:49 AM

WOW !!!  :o That is really awesome.

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: Sangennaru on December 15, 2009, 08:31:34 PM

Let's add some mo4r pics:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/xm4lsp.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/24ms0w8.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2iraiqa.jpg)


That's the roof, and the lower floors!

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2ptb90k.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2cronm8.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2h306eh.jpg)



I putted the floor with (piastrelle), and I like that pretty much... the inside is not very detailed, but the floor gives something good, expecially when it's painted!
Waiting for your severe judgment, and... even PMs, if someone is interested! :P

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: former user on December 15, 2009, 08:37:36 PM

congratulations

I think You have done very well and produced a fine universal building kit

unfortunately I don't game 20 mm, but I wish You good luck in marketing Your idea, to help You finance future projects

if this is Your first cast, You should really consider going at least half professional or doing comission work

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: Sangennaru on December 15, 2009, 08:41:39 PM

Quote from: former user on December 15, 2009, 08:37:36 PM

congratulations
I think You have done very well and produced a fine universal building kit
unfortunately I don't game 20 mm, but I wish You good luck in marketing Your idea, to help You finance future projects
if this is Your first cast, You should really consider going at least half professional or doing comission work

thanks very much!!! :)
actually, it is a 15mm model, the samurais are from Old Glory 15's! :)

Becoming half professional?? :) looks interesting but.. how? :) making commission is pretty boring and really bad for money (a lot of hours of work!), and starting an activity... it should be really enjoiyng, but... not alone!!! :)

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: former user on December 15, 2009, 08:49:33 PM

look, there are a lot of professionals here in the forum, why don't You ask or make an offer?
but don't forget Your education  ;)

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: Sangennaru on December 15, 2009, 08:52:58 PM

Quote from: former user on December 15, 2009, 08:49:33 PM

but don't forget Your education  ;)

I'm sorry, I don't get the point... If I said something wrong i really ask sorry! :(

anyway, just because of the high level of this forum, here I'm much more interested in your opinions than looking for people interested in it!

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: former user on December 15, 2009, 08:54:24 PM

professional education, school, university, whatever ...
You didn't say anything wrong!
You used to write about exams

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 14/12/09
Post by: Sangennaru on December 15, 2009, 08:56:00 PM

Quote from: former user on December 15, 2009, 08:54:24 PM

professional education, school, university, whatever ...
You didn't say anything wrong!
You used to write about exams

LOL, ok! :P actually, I left this project for almost 2 months, so I think it will not steal me too much time! :)... I hope...

Title: Re: 15mm WWII Berlin Building - Update 13/6/10
Post by: Sangennaru on June 13, 2010, 06:33:27 PM

after more than  120 days (as the forum says), i'm gonna post the painted version.

I have to say, it is a PRETTY FAST painted one, i have to work on it a bit more but... it gives an idea of the work! :P

(http://i47.tinypic.com/k9f3q1.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/23uv2ia.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/1zxnl01.jpg)

hope you like

cheers,
Jack