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Title: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 17, 2021, 02:06:56 PM
I've decided to recreate my Plains Wars Collection in 15mm. When my old pal passed away I gave away the vast 20mm Wild West collection we'd built up over the last 40 years. Both of us had been proper Hollywood Wild West nuts, and I couldn't see me playing with the collection with anybody else.
I'm being called to 'go west old man' again, so have to start from scratch.
I'm going to need Monument Valley and assorted scenery for starters. Cavalry fort, Iron Horse, Stagecoach and a fair sized Indian village through the passes in the mountains... how hard can it be?
Add in about 300 mounted and dismounted Horse Soldiers and Cheyenne, a wagon train, settlers, ranchers, cattle drive and wandering Buffalo herd and the job's a good 'un!
I'm plan to chart progress here as I go along.

:)



Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: robh on December 17, 2021, 03:43:56 PM
What, no Chinese railroad gangs or travelling Mariachi band.
Slacker!
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 17, 2021, 05:25:40 PM
If they make 'em...
I'll 'ave 'em!

 ;D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: armchairgeneral on December 17, 2021, 06:49:59 PM
Before you commit to 15mm you might want to check out the Baccus 6mm range. All my figures are 28mm but I bought some of the Baccus 6mm US Cavalry just to see want they were like and they are really nice. I am also thinking of entering the Pony Wars arena and I feel 6mm is the way to go. Particularly as you are supposed to need 600 odd Indians!
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 17, 2021, 11:17:37 PM
Particularly as you are supposed to need 600 odd Indians!

Had over 800 20mm Zulus once, 600 Indians I can pick up almost anywhere!

(https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Oddball-Kellys-Heroes-Donald-Sutherland-b.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 18, 2021, 04:23:36 AM
Well, Harry, I've long suspected you to be one of the finer sort of rapscallion.  And now you've provided solid evidence of my perspicacity!  ;)

I suspect you may have seen my listing for 15 mm Old West here on this board.

Just in case:


I've decided to recreate my Plains Wars Collection in 15mm. When my old pal passed away I gave away the vast 20mm Wild West collection we'd built up over the last 40 years. Both of us had been proper Hollywood Wild West nuts (is someone holding up a mirror in front of me?), and I couldn't see me playing with the collection with anybody else.
I'm being called to 'go west old man' again (sounds like you will need a Horace Greely character - see Old Glory 15s - maybe the Union political figure will work, no, not the really tall guy), so have to start from scratch.
I'm going to need Monument Valley (very Hollywood, not very historical, to each their own - and you did say) and assorted scenery for starters. Cavalry fort (must be something out there but easy to scratch, too - don't remember where i got mine but check Bluemoon's French and Indian War for a good option), Iron Horse (Peter Pig - with rolling stock, too), Stagecoach (name yer poison, pard, there are numerous out there - I like the QRF and the Minifigs - the Bluemoon is nice but big, the body is resin) and a fair sized Indian village (Bluemoon for a variety of sizes, Peter Pig for a very nice version - sundry others as well, Hovels for some nice bits to enhance a village) through the passes in the mountains... how hard can it be (not hard at all)?
Add in about 300 mounted and dismounted Horse Soldiers and Cheyenne (poison by another name...spoiled for choice), a wagon train (many options but Peter Pig is a good place to start), settlers (ditto - but Hovels range for native villagers, amongst others), ranchers (Minifigs and Peter Pig), cattle drive (various but Peter Pig as probably the easiest to assemble long horns) and wandering Buffalo herd (buy some from everyone that makes them - and Irregular miniatures for pronghorn antelope (where the deer and the antelope play!) and QRF has a buffalo hunt scene with a native american hunter - have to extemporize the dead and skinned buffalo, though) and the job's a good 'un!
I'm plan to chart progress here as I go along.  (Will enjoy watching your progress - being the erudite rapscallion I perceive you to be)

Conestoga wagons - lousy on the plains, good way to die on the way to Cal-i-for-i-ay.  You want prairie schooners (various options, Peter Pig pretty good one).  Bluemoon does make a very nice Conestoga but meant for the eastern theater, not really out west.  They did attempt the crossing so not entirely out of place.

War wagon?  Not yet found in 15 mm so a little inventiveness is in order until manufactures come to their senses.  QRF does do a gatling gun, though, if needed.  The Lone Ranger and Tonto, sort of ditto but easily extemporized.  Ditto Dando. And those manufacturers still haven't seen fit to create a proper horse drawn hearse in 15 mm.  The nerve!

Probably impossible to find these days but the long gone Frontier Miniatures had a pack of cattle drovers with lariats (ropes).  And, NO, you cannot have mine - I only have four (one pack).

Chinese track workers?  Mariachi band?  Slacker manufacturers again.  Bluemoon does have some Chinamen in its civilians pack, though.  Some would work for 'staffing' a Joss house, need one in your China town portion of any rail town (very slipshod affairs three-quarters of the time). 

Saloon girls, dancing girls?  Best are from Bluemoon - and seated gamblers, heck, even a piano and player for someone to "don't shoot the piano player"! 

If you source a proper Mongo figure, be sure and let me know.  "If you shoot him you'll just make him mad."

Welcome to the wonders of 15 mm for the Old West.

And my sincere condolences on the passing of your "old pal".  Very hard to loose a good chum.  Sounds like the two of you had many good times together.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: has.been on December 18, 2021, 07:48:23 AM
I agree (& am emulating)
Quote
armchairgeneral
in going 6mm.
If you are committed to 15mm, may I suggest
that you try & score an old Airfix Wild West Fort.
It would work well with 15mm figures, though I
would be tempted to turn it into a 'low relief' frontage.
Takes up less table room, looks more imposing &
(as most of the 'fort' would be off table) more believable
when yet another Cavalry troop comes galloping out. lol
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: vodkafan on December 19, 2021, 01:26:18 AM
 15mm, 6mm, why not go in the middle? Check out Lancashire games 10mm Pony Wars range
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 19, 2021, 04:35:41 AM
I agree (& am emulating) in going 6mm.
If you are committed to 15mm, may I suggest
that you try & score an old Airfix Wild West Fort.
It would work well with 15mm figures, though I
would be tempted to turn it into a 'low relief' frontage.
Takes up less table room, looks more imposing &
(as most of the 'fort' would be off table) more believable
when yet another Cavalry troop comes galloping out. lol

Airfix Cavalry Fort already gleaned. Come to think about it, if I get my arse in gear it could be ready for when the first Troop of Cavalry and Command ride in on Dec 25th.

:)







Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: has.been on December 19, 2021, 10:59:27 AM
Quote
Airfix Cavalry Fort already gleaned. Come to think about it, if I get my arse in gear it could be ready for when the first Troop of Cavalry and Command ride in on Dec 25th.

Fort Christmas ?  :D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: AKULA on December 19, 2021, 11:10:22 AM
Am tempted to get back into an Old West project myself, so will keep an eye on your thread  :D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 20, 2021, 08:07:47 AM
"And we're off!"

Fort Faversham is completed and ready to receive it's garrison. The Fort has been built to protect the vital 'Faversham Trail' as it traverses the Powder River Country. The trail was blazed by renowned Scout and Indian Fighter, Harry 'Buckshot' Faversham in 1868. Now the Cheyenne are on the Warpath Fort Faversham will be crucial in keeping the trail open for both the Pony Express and the Wagon Train.

::)

Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 20, 2021, 02:26:31 PM
But for some unfortunate pilgrims...
it was already too late!

 :'(
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: wolfkarl on December 20, 2021, 04:20:53 PM
Very nice indeed! Have fun with your new project.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: black hat miniatures on December 20, 2021, 04:27:20 PM
I am also working on  large 15mm Pony Wars project over the next year.

I've started on the first 60 mounted Indians - boy are 15mm small after painting 54mm for 2 years!  Anyone got any hints on speed painting indians - I've got at least 250 of them to do...

Mike
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: CapnJim on December 20, 2021, 04:58:54 PM
I must say, 'tis quite the endeavor up which you are scheming.  Good luck to you, lad.  I'll be watching for your periodic updates...

One of my 2nd-great uncles chased Commanches in Texas and New Mexico from 1870-1875 in MacKenzie's 4th US Cavalry.  So, naturally, these types of set-ups always pique my interest... ;) 
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 21, 2021, 01:23:26 AM
Nice touch, the crosses with the 'old' wagon.  Duly 'borrowed'. 

Black Hat:

One thing I do that helps with the speed - though reduces the detailing a bit - is to pre-base figures (I use three to a base) so that when painting is done there is no need to base again.

If you do a really large batch, this would be my method -

Paint all warriors a ruddy flesh.  When dry, wash with a red brown..

Paint all hair black.

Paint all wooden items, guns, bows, lances, etc. your chosen brown.

Paint all feathers black (needs to be after hair - and after wood items).

Come back and paint some feathers gray, others brown, finally, others off-white. (white can be too stark).

As you do the above, use each color on every third figure for other details - but don't do same color feather and detail on same figures - at least not too much.

Paint all metal weapons (I like Gunmetal - I use craft paints), gun barrels, pistols, axes, etc.  When dry, dry brush silver.

If needed (usually is), come back with more colors and do the every third figure thing again - and maybe again.  And vary the order to avoid every third figure being too much the same.

Then any minor details still needed.

Last pass for any minor touch ups.

Paint top and sides of base, swish in base flocking material.  Wait to dry, knock off excess.  Glue on tufts or other details.

Seal coat really well and let dry.

Call it done.

Can do hundreds of figures this way in one 'long' sitting - by that, I mean, keep them on the paint table until done, not do all in one sitting (that would be mildly insane and cause an extremely sore butt - and back, too).

I used that for my African natives and did 474 figures in one month earlier this year (different skin tones and details, of course).  No horses for my Africa natives, East Africa and the Tse-tse fly and all.  Did 409 figures the next month and that included 96 alive and 6 dead 'cattle' in the form of Cape Buffalo.  All a matter of diligence and dedication.  (We won't discuss the fall-off the next few months.)  The point is, it can be done - and get a presentable result, not going to be show stoppers but they will be playable figures.

I have around 480 mounted native warriors to paint for pony wars (including those I added in, 80 more with recent Bluemoon order).  And at least 244 warriors on foot and a similar number of unarmed, mostly, villagers.  Also lots of casualties.  And more, not all of my Apaches are in that count.  Much prepping and priming to do (a small portion done already).

Hope that helps - even if you vary your approach to mass painting.

Horses?  I go a bit over the top on horses so maybe not the best to consult for speed painting equines!



Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 21, 2021, 04:49:16 AM
Thank you Sir, I'm ging to need all the help and advice I can get!

:)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 21, 2021, 02:04:16 PM
Curious as to the source of the wagon in the photo?  Don't recognize it.  Maybe Irregular or Museum Miniatures?  Some other source?  Like the colors used.  Though colors do suggest that the Faversham Trail traverses a pretty wet part of the west.  Dryer parts and you'd have a pretty gray wagon pretty quick.  Of course, those grave markers do seem a bit fresh! 
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 22, 2021, 12:07:34 PM
Curious as to the source of the wagon in the photo?

I've got three more to rebase.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD7uIpqLLDb8zkVBNOK7ukcfay-lst2FQnbuMm5_cJfQbDfR56SgSIPSXvDbDT8Skh309hnN3pYrCVl1HnDd7foOTbN8G6&usqp=CAc)

 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 27, 2021, 12:14:42 PM
Back in our pokey little seaside resort, from having Crimbo with the lad and his family. Escort home was by three Troops of 15mm Blue Moon 7th Cavalry...
lovely little minis who'll be going under the brush this week.

:)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: CapnJim on December 27, 2021, 05:28:11 PM
How do those 1/72 wagons look compare to the 15mm figures?
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 28, 2021, 12:31:20 AM
How do those 1/72 wagons look compare to the 15mm figures?

Dreadful, they absolutely won't do at all...
Peter Pig to the rescue!

(https://www.peterpig.co.uk/WESTERN%20destroyed%20wagon.jpg)

 :-*
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: CapnJim on December 28, 2021, 01:06:57 AM
Oh perfect!  Looks sufficiently, uh, raided.  Should look good with the grave markers...wonder how it would look, say, with a couple arrows stuck in the side?
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 28, 2021, 03:08:08 AM
Ah, IMEX 1/72, that's what I didn't recognize it.  And turn around and Peter Pig appears.  For a little variety for destroyed wagons, check out Freikorp via QRF (I think in ACW range) made out of metal (or were when I bought mine).

One of my 'excess' stage coaches will be turned into a wrecked vehicle and I will use some Alternative Armies skeletal dead people and horses to enhance - and see if someone can't get 'spitted' on a wagon wheel and be a might 'crispy'.  I have the Peter Pig damaged wagon, too (well three of them now).  Going to need a lot of wagons to do Quicksand Bottoms.

I like the idea of arrows sticking out.  Part of my plan - but how to do in 15 mm and be durable?  I am thinking to use a sewing pin likely. 

I think modeling Del Gue (or someone similar) buried up to his neck in an ant hill won't be too challenging - except for scratching the ants!  lol
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 28, 2021, 07:39:54 AM
One question that's already cropped up...
Whose figures mix best with Blue Moon, Hovels or Peter Pig?

???
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 28, 2021, 02:58:43 PM
Harry,

Bluemoon tend towards the larger end of the spectrum, Hovels the smallest, Peter Pig smaller generally but bigger than Hovels.  Better matches to Bluemoon would be QRF Freikorps' Yellow Ribbon range and Minifigs.  The new ranges from CP Models will match decently - but no mounted figures as of yet.

That being said, I am not afraid to mix them all.  Alas, my old computer's operating system won't let me post photos here just now but I have a new system on order but not due until mid to later January.

Perhaps getting a sample pack of all the major players would be a good idea to compare.  Irregular, at least the ones I have, tend to be the biggest.

Also well to keep in mind how absurdly large my collection is for the period - my Pony West combination of Pony Wars and Old West.  With what is on order included and perhaps already shipped my way, I now have 27 sets of 12 mounted/12 on foot/12 dead with four standing horses to mark dismount points groupings.  Through much mixing and matching.  That adds up to 1,404 figures though it is for only 324 "men" with each man mounted, on foot, and dead - and while Peter Pig helped a lot, there are many more that are not Peter Pig, lots of them are Blue Moon, Minifigs, etc.  And that leaves out cavalry, Indians, and the 'peaceable' civilians.  Point is, I need maximum variety.

Depending on your goals, you might be able to get a good match from a smaller group of figure suppliers.

Here is a link to a blog I have had limited access to over the last year and half (same computer issues).  If you explore around you can find a number of photos of primed figures mixing up many of the various figures and they tend to work okay together to my eyes: https://whiskeyhills.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2020-06-05T07:02:00-07:00&max-results=7&start=7&by-date=false (https://whiskeyhills.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2020-06-05T07:02:00-07:00&max-results=7&start=7&by-date=false)

Hope that helps. 
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 28, 2021, 03:29:06 PM
Thank you Sir.

 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 30, 2021, 10:09:48 AM
(https://www.thewargameswebsite.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/115939/6u1c5t0uubwk0pkhlnqr81y3h5czve2c.jpg)

Captain Nathan Brittles:

"You got a breath on you like a hot mince pie!"

Top Sergeant Quincannon:

"Ah, Captain darlin'. As you well know I took the pledge after Chapultepec."

Captain Nathan Brittles:

"And Bull Run, and Gettysburg, and Shiloh, and St. Patrick's Day, and Fourth of July!"

:)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 30, 2021, 10:11:59 AM
"So here they are: the dog-faced soldiers, the regulars, the fifty-cents-a-day professionals... riding the outposts of a nation. From Fort Faversham to Fort Apache - from Sheridan to Stark - they were all the same: men in dirty-shirt blue and only a cold page in the history books to mark their passing. But wherever they rode - and whatever they fought for - that place became the United States."

::)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 31, 2021, 05:19:15 AM
Nice, and like the colorings on the horse - curious as to the technique you used.

Now all you need is another 60 to 80 to 140 more and you'll be all set to go!   :D lol o_o
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 31, 2021, 06:36:26 AM
Nice, and like the colorings on the horse - curious as to the technique you used.

Now all you need is another 60 to 80 to 140 more and you'll be all set to go!   :D lol o_o

Blocked in with this paint, and then a thin wash of very dark brown. It gives a finish like oil paints for no effort whatsoever.

(https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/media/managed/large/val982z.jpg)

 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on January 21, 2022, 02:47:17 AM
Thanks for the tip.  Hope process is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: tomrommel1 on January 21, 2022, 06:32:02 AM
nice project
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on January 21, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
Thanks chaps, making steady progress. Fort's done with one Cavalry Troop to ride out from the gates, well on with the Indian village and bits of scatter...
but, fretting over a great pile of munchkins all clamoring at me to paint 'em!

:o
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on February 05, 2022, 03:11:11 PM
Just posted this under Lord Raglan's thread but thought I'd add it here in case you miss that - and hope it is not too late to create lots of frustration on your part (already painted other colors).  Horse colors for the various troops of the 7th cavalry under Custer (bays come in various flavors):

From Boots & Saddles at the Little Bighorn by James S. Hutchins:
"A" Company--coal black horses
"E" Company--gray horses
"B," "D," "F," "I," and "L" Companies--bays
"H" Company--blood bays
"G" and "K" Companies--sorrels
"C" Company--light sorrels
"M" Company got the left overs, so they were a mix
Trumpeters rode grays; officers usually rode the same color horses as their company
Custer rode a horse called "Vic," a sorrel with four white feet and a blaze on the face.
Captain Miles Keogh rode "Commanche," described as a light bay or buckskin. Keogh commanded Company "I" a bay company.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 05, 2022, 09:38:08 PM
Yep, knew about the Boy General aping the French, with colour coded horses in the Troops/Companys of his Regiment. Wasn't exactly something that endeared him to more than one of his Troops/Company Occifers though.

:-[
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 08, 2022, 09:59:18 AM
Just because the 'Boy General' didn't want 'em, doesn't mean nobody else does... 15mm Gatling Guns!
It's probably me being a div, but I can't seem to find any Gatling Guns and crews suitable for the Old West, can anyone help please?
Project is progressing slowly, despite real life rearing it's ugly head, should have some piccys later today to show.

:)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 08, 2022, 01:22:26 PM
"Yellow stripes on breeches blue!"

 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 08, 2022, 01:25:52 PM
"Big Village, come quick, bring pacs!"

 :o
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 08, 2022, 01:32:13 PM
"Hokahey! Today is a good day to fight!

 >:D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 08, 2022, 01:36:28 PM
Will the Pilgrims hear bugles in the afternoon before hordes of bronzed and war painted Warriors descend upon them?

 :o
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 08, 2022, 07:27:46 PM
Last, and by every which way least, the only Indian with more bad medicine than poor old Black Kettle...

The Great Lame Beaver!

 :'(
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on March 09, 2022, 01:25:46 AM
Nice lot of painted stuff to add to the table!

Wear did you source your 'shaman' figure in the photo just under the teepees, please?

Nice touch with the native graveyard.  Also like Chief Lame Beaver - but that is an awfully thick base! 

I, for one, am full of anticipation for when you get to the point of posting game reports.  I expect they will be properly amusing - except for those who are hors de combat. 
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 09, 2022, 06:17:20 AM
He's not a 15 mil munchkin, he's a small 20mm Atlantic figure, as are the totem poles and dead warriors. They come from the Atlantic 'Apache Camp' set. The Indian graveyard vignette will be islotaed,  high in the Black Hills, so I'm hoping the scale difference won't be too noticable on the table.

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=387

 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 09, 2022, 06:26:03 AM
Nice touch with the native graveyard.  Also like Chief Lame Beaver - but that is an awfully thick base! 

Sadly, down the years, The Great Lame Beaver has been proved to a an awfully thick Indian! His greatest critic once observed...

"He must have been painted with Squawpaint instead of Warpaint!"

 :'(
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on March 13, 2022, 02:29:18 PM
Ah, yes, Atlantic.  I "inherited" the remainders of an Atlantic western set that included some buffalo that are mixed into my 120 animal herd.  Recently bought some more buffalo (Peter Pig and Freikorps) that I will be converting to dead buffalo - including some skinned animals to recreate the scene from Dances With Wolves.  Most of the other items were a bit too big for 15 mm but I still have them around somewhere.

Did I say 120?  Yes, I did.  And two more from the Freikorps hunting set not yet painted.  The 120 are painted.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 14, 2022, 04:31:05 AM
I'll be starting on the second Cavalry Regiment this week. Minifigs, I think they are, and will represent either the 9th or 10th. Many Moon's ago I got a 'Billy the Kid' annual for Crimbo, one of the stories therein was the 'Buffalo Soldiers'. A tale of derring-do, how the black Cavalrymen won the respect of the Indians. In later years I learned just how good these two Regiments had been, if memory serves, a record of the lowest desertion and highest re-enlistment rates in the American Army?
I plan to honour them with a Regiment to ride out onto the Great Plains alongside the 7th.

:)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: has.been on March 14, 2022, 07:08:15 AM
For a start the 9th & 10th all spoke the same
language, i.e. English.
If you haven't already seen it, watch the film,
'Sgt Rutlidge'  Ahead of its time for giving a
fairer view of Buffalo Soldiers.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 14, 2022, 09:38:06 AM
Seen it, one of the reasons I want the 'Buffalo Soldiers' in the collection, Woody Strode is one of my favourite actors...
small but memorable part in 'Once Upon A time In The West' too.

:)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on March 15, 2022, 12:54:38 AM
Yes, the 9th and 10th were very good regiments - and not just because of low desertion or high reenlistment rates.  They were just good.  Got to meet some reenactors of the regiment in Old Sacramento some years ago - and if memory serves a couple of them had ancestors who served in the regiments.  I think they were pleasantly surprised at how much I knew about their regiments and just how good they were, especially given my skin tone is a bit lighter than theirs!   ;) 

One of my non-7th battalions will be a 9th/10th battalion (4 x 12 figure companies - or one large 48 figure company if desired for a scenario).

Cotton Jim has nice paper flags (pennants) for US Cavalry.  QRF/Freikorps have them in the UK (or will when they are back up from their move - I think already started).  Alas, the 7th seems to be out of stock. 

Haven't seen the other movie mentioned but I own the Buffalo Soldiers movie - made for TV with Danny Glover.  TV movies never quite live up to cinema for me but it was an okay movie and did represent some of the realities of the times per my readings of history.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 13, 2022, 12:27:12 AM
“Tis the gallant 7th Cavalry
It matters not where we are going
Such you’ll surely say as we march away;
And our band plays Garryowen."
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on April 13, 2022, 01:25:21 AM
Very nice.  Trouble brewing somewhere no doubt.

Those saguaro cacti are mightily misplaced if you are doing Little Big Horn area!  :o.  Have to go down Apacheria way to get those bits to fit in.  Don't think the 7th got down that way.  But, heck, no reason not to use them if you want to - it's just a hobby.

By the way, both Peter Pig and Stone Mountain sell cacti in metal, PP larger, SM smaller and both saguaro type.  And I had quite a find - for the sad reason of a passed on local gamer's collection being sold off to help pay for his care costs - of a bunch of alternative types of cacti which I will add to some elements I bought when visiting Arizona a dozen years ago and I'll be able to make 30 bases of diverse cacti.  I plan to do in groups of 3, 5, and 7 - sort of bonsai style.  Alas, I don't know the source of the alternative types but they were plastic and green and almost certainly a hobby product - perhaps from something like Atlantic, Hatt, or Airfix.  Not sure what one type is but the other type looks a lot like prickly pear - without the fruit.

Progress on my end for western gaming?  Primed 10 buckboards (2 damaged), 6 buggies, and 4 grain wagons.  And just last night working on a bunch of poultry.  Poultry?  Yes, poultry - how can you do a western without chickens roaming about?  lol
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 13, 2022, 07:35:17 AM
But, heck, no reason not to use them if you want to - it's just a hobby.

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"

That's the rub of it, innit?

We all want the 'Boy General' and his 7th Cavalry in our games. But said games, must always take place in a Monument Valley setting! I'm guessing the terrain around the Big Horn River would look pretty much like that in 'Dances with Wolves'? That won't do, that won't do at all. Where my 7th Cavalry and Indians will be roamin' will look more like the sweeping vistas in 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon'.
The cactusus/cacti in the piccys are Britains Deetail models, purportedly 54mm scale!

:-*  ;)  :-*




Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on April 13, 2022, 02:34:17 PM
Artistic license is always good - and you will need some to get those saguaro into Monument Valley which is in Utah and far northern Arizona well north of the Sonoran desert where they are found!   lol

If you see them in that valley in movies, they were probably set up by greens men - the members of a movie crew who make sure the director gets what he wants visually from the plants.  Or it is a more modern shot and someone planted them there. 

Dang pendanticism.   :D

And, yes, Dances With Wolves is a good match for the area of LBH - in a general sort of way.  It is a BIG battle field, about five miles long if not more, quite a distance between Reno Hill and Last Stand Hill.
 
Arizona is actually much better visually, to me, than Monument Valley and actually had lots of cavalry versus Indian actions with the Apache - why I have all those cacti and lots of Apaches - more than just the 7th in my collection.  And home to lots of saguaro. ;) John Ford really missed a beat by not filming there - he could have used the Sedona area which is spectacularly colorful.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: CapnJim on April 14, 2022, 09:00:20 PM
Well, Fort Apache was filmed (at least in part) in Monument Valley, and Lt. Col. Thursday always reminded me of Lt. Col. Custer.  Heck, they even shared the same fate...in the dark recesses of my feeble mind, it ain't really much of a stretch there...
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 29, 2022, 12:57:27 AM
Need a bit of advice please chaps. Just gleaned a couple of Gatling Guns, to help the Cavalry repel the savage Redskin hordes! Where the guns crew Artillery men, or would they have been manned by Infantrymen? Need to know for the facing colours and wotnot. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

???
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on April 29, 2022, 04:00:36 AM
Consulting a photo of one of the Gatling's in Terry's 1876 column (that included the ill fated 7th Cavalry), they appear to be either cavalry or infantry - and I'm pretty sure infantry (some included in the column).  But otherwise going more off of recollection than consulting references, most of the guns/gatlings used in the plains wars were manned by non-artillery and most of the artillery men used were 'red-leg' infantry, heavy coastal battery units employed as infantry.  If I run across better information, I'll check back and post unless someone provides better information before I do. 

There were some artillerymen but I believe they were mostly used to train the cavalry and/or infantry to use the pieces at hand. 

So, I guess, you could paint up three different crew types: infantry, cavalry, and artillery - not that expensive in 15 mm (and might inform me when I get to that part of my collection).  And, heck, maybe even some semi-civilian 'militia' such as might have been 'dragooned' by someone like those under Chivington (more as a what if than historical perhaps).

Okay, did a quick Google check and found this thesis submitted 1981: THE ARTILLERY WITH THE REGULAR ARMY IN THE WEST FROM 1866 TO 1890 by LARRY DON ROBERTS, which does state that my surmise is correct vis-a-vis the lack of actual artillery for the most part. 

While the thesis at first brush is a bit dense it does have some cool bits like a map of the period rail lines and another of the period telegraph lines.  I will certainly spend more time with it but just now I am supposed to be painting pygmies!
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 29, 2022, 11:27:08 AM
I will certainly spend more time with it but just now I am supposed to be painting pygmies!

Stop moaning, painting them's only a little job!

 ;D

Meanwhile back on the Great Plains. I'll have Cavalrymen manning the Gatlings, maybe with a couple of 'proper' NCO Artillerymen, dishing the orders out and supervising proceedings.

:)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: HerbyF on April 29, 2022, 12:24:31 PM
If you are looking for more wagons for your wagon train, look a ACW equipment in 15mm ranges. Also Zulu/Boer wars ranges.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 29, 2022, 12:25:50 PM
Cheers Herby. This is interesting stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDPvKfxfvf0

 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: has.been on April 29, 2022, 12:48:19 PM
Revolving cannon! I gotta get me one of dem. :D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on April 29, 2022, 02:14:34 PM
"Stop moaning, painting them's only a little job!"  Yeah, yeah, but I finished them off and there were 134 of them including the casualty figures (which were a total cheat because they are full size but what I had).  And villagers which was a modification of some 10 mm figures.  So, while the folk are small the job was a bit larger.   ;)

Need to have more time to watch the video than I do this morning.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on May 12, 2022, 09:32:11 AM
A 'wot if' that's gone on, almost from the time of that legendary day on the Little Bighorn...
would taking some of these have made a difference?

(https://forum.treefrogtreasures.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=287929&d=1652342968)

(https://forum.treefrogtreasures.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=287930&d=1652342995)

(https://forum.treefrogtreasures.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=287932&d=1652343107)

Even more BANG! for yer bucks!

(https://forum.treefrogtreasures.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=287933&d=1652343300)

(https://forum.treefrogtreasures.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=287934&d=1652343343)

"They won't let me shoot it, so I'm not playing!"

(https://forum.treefrogtreasures.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=287935&d=1652343442)

From a distant hilltop hostile eyes are watching...

(https://forum.treefrogtreasures.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=287936&d=1652343518)

 :o
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: CapnJim on May 12, 2022, 07:14:55 PM
Waiting with anticipation to see what role those guns might play...
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on May 13, 2022, 01:56:25 AM
Finally took time to watch the video.  Cool seeing the Gatling firing.

And like your Gatling models, well done.  Not quite sure what model your artillery are - perhaps the 3.2" guns shown in the video?  I believe more common in the Custer era were 12# and mountain howitzers but your guns will work.

Oh, and book I am reading identifies the Gatling gun's in Terry's column as being manned with personnel from the 18th infantry.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: terrement on May 13, 2022, 10:50:03 PM
A 'wot if' that's gone on, almost from the time of that legendary day on the Little Bighorn...
would taking some of these have made a difference?

FWIW, there was a Twilight Zone episode where some US Army guys from the present end up finding evidence that their chain of command doesn't believe and they end up in the battle that takes place in "The Twilight Zone"
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734627/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734627/)

Unfortunately for them, their armored vehicle didn't get to play...
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on November 04, 2023, 01:08:57 AM
Threadsurrectiion!

Hey, Harry, where does your Old West/Pony Wars collection Stand these days?  Been nearly a year and a half since you posted in this thread.  Hopefully progress.  I'm heading out to my garage to work on my own collection.

Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on November 05, 2023, 11:39:21 AM
Sadly, the real world got in the way!
After Crimbo there'll definitely be a Soiux uprising!
 :o
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on November 05, 2023, 12:29:05 PM
Yeah, that danged Real World stuff can get in the way of our hobby time.

But good to hear there is a pending uprising. 

I - and others - shall be watching to see what you are up to in your Old West / Pony Wars adventures.
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on November 05, 2023, 06:13:12 PM
Cheers mate!
 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 24, 2024, 06:58:23 PM
A command decision has been taken in the Emporium!
The 15mm Pony Wars project has been abandoned. All the figures, painted and unpainted are up for sale in the Bazaar.

:'(
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on March 25, 2024, 05:32:43 AM
 :'( :'( :'(

A sad day.  May they go to a good home where they will be well loved and cared for - and played with and shown off here on TMP.

Until you regret your decision.   >:D

 ;)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 25, 2024, 09:56:49 AM
Just gleaned the 28mm Little Big Horn range kickstarter.
Magnificent figures, too good to resist...
don't hate me too much for turning to the dark side of the Force!
 :'(
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on March 25, 2024, 07:00:35 PM
Not to worry, I'll get over it.  Eventually.   :o


 lol
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 26, 2024, 06:34:05 PM
The Munchkins have rode off into the sunset. Within the hour the big boys have rode into Fort Starke!
In the shape of the Little Bighorn kickstarter, sculpted by our very own Mr. Hicks. My question is, has Paul done a range for anyone here in Blighty, that I can mix and match?
If I have to order owt from across the pond, I'll need to sell both my kids.
 :'(
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Skipper on March 26, 2024, 08:42:46 PM
Kids, they are replaceable.  Hobby time , priceless.
 :D



Just kidding, I wouldn't give mine up for anything and they come first ..... mostly.


Though, I've been silently following your progress and hate to see it come to an end. Good luck on the new endeavor,

Skipper
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 27, 2024, 07:29:40 AM
Thanks mate.
 :)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: FifteensAway on March 28, 2024, 01:53:41 AM
Well, Harry, I think it will be appropriate condign punishment for switching up by you posting at least six different games with your new collection at least 4 (preferably 6) times per year - for 5 years!  That is the path to my forgiveness.  Emphatic harrumph!

 :D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 28, 2024, 01:21:15 PM
'Angin Judge FFA has pronounced sentence!

 >:D
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: has.been on March 28, 2024, 03:15:51 PM
Quote
'Angin Judge FFA has pronounced sentence!

Is it a suspended sentence Harry?x lol
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 28, 2024, 04:49:35 PM
'Ung by the neck till, dead!
dead!! dead!!!
 :(
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 04, 2024, 05:25:26 PM
Anyone know who sculpted the 28mm Plains Wars ranges for both Artezan and Foundry, please?
 ???
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: traveller on April 04, 2024, 05:32:11 PM
Anyone know who sculpted the 28mm Plains Wars ranges for both Artezan and Foundry, please?
 ???

Artizan is Mike Owen. Foundry I think it is Copplestone, damn good they are too  ;)
Title: Re: New project for 2022.
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 04, 2024, 06:47:44 PM
They're excellent, but I'm after figures that will fit/mix with the figures Paul Hicks has done for Brigade Games.
 :)