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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Blackwolf on January 05, 2022, 09:23:37 AM
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Is fantastic! Mythic where The Mandalorian was more space western (And not a bad thing at that) Boba Fett is more David Lean with added Haka,and the Tusken Raiders are just how I pictured them from the first film. A little more subdued than the Mandalorian,this is a good thing,it is not a reprise,Boba is his own character ,and an excellent one . Roll on Boba!
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Yeah, I’m liking it so far 8)
Time to get the Mos Vegas buildings out again lol
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Agreed. Much as I enjoyed the Mandalorian, the Spaghetti Western vibe felt a bit strained at times.
I do wonder about the wisdom of building a very densely packed city in an impact crater on a desert planet with twin suns. Doesn't seem the best way to keep cool ???
Always nice to see Jennifer Beals as well. Hopefully that wasn't just a quick cameo appearance.
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I like it so far, but with a big smile. I call it "Conan in Space". When he is sitting on his throne it is like the intro of Conan. Only the coat is missing..Tonight the second episode, I think
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I have to say that while I liked the first episode (will watch #2 tonight) I would prefer Boba not to go soft. In my mind, I've always thought of Boba as the ultimate tough guy. He's on the shortlist of people to call when a gangster or evil empire needs to get things done. He's a Mafia fixer or the dictator's fist. I don't mind him being battered and not broken, and maybe trading a little wisdom and cunning for quick reflexes, but I still want to see him blowing up would-be assassins trying to flee and if someone tries to muscle in on his turf I want there to be bloodshed.
The idea of ruling by respect instead of fear could be ok. We might respect his power, or respect his fairness (as an eye for an eye may very well be fair), but I don't want to respect his graciousness and patience. That isn't going to feel right for me. Where the Mandalorian allows some straddling of an ethical line I want Boba to not be encumbered by this feeling that he should do something for the betterment of others. I don't see that being his character through the original three movies, and it wouldn't be how he was raised by Jango. Not to mention he is rolling with Fennec Shand, who is also an assassin working for top crime syndicates. So far she seems to be the one trying to push Boba to run Jabba's legacy the "right" way.
With all of that said, and with all other speculation put aside for now... Why the heck is Boba wandering around without his helmet on? If we are going with the "Boba is a Mandalorian" bit, shouldn't he have a similar practice of not removing his helmet? Especially not while roaming the streets. Especially not while shaking down a local establishment (yes, it was nice to see Jennifer Beal who makes a lovely Twilek). There is little he can do about it when he has lost his armor, but once found wouldn't it be part of his Mandalorian code to always wear it? Heck, even if it wasn't, wouldn't it just be wise to wear a helmet if your job was to be a strongman and run an underworld empire of his own? Honestly, that was the only part of the first show that I didn't care for. The rest was ok but held a lot of promise moving forward. Pilot shows are always worse than what comes after. How quickly they hit their stride is the real test.
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it was alright. hoping they hit their stride soon.
the off/on helmet bit they kind of fudged by stating the "Mandalorian" was of a very strict "sect" and not normal "mandalorian" as such.
so ok, he can take it off for someone to give it a quick buff in the the bar if he wants kind of thing :D
The respect bit I can kind of understand, far is far, and suspect its lining him up to kick butt of all the disrespecting with as much helmet buffing as he can get
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2 was better than 1. He appeared too weak to me in Episode 1. 2 was much more believable and I really like the Tusken gaining identity now. The Gamorreans got one too, what I like best!
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watched late lastnight/err... this morning before bed ::)
Yep that was much better all round.
Looking forward to the next one now.
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The only gripe I had with both issues is that they were too dang short!
The respect and 'soft' thing many mentioned is explained well enough in ep.2 I should say.
[SPOILER]His trials, tribulations and initiation rites when with the Sand People would change any man's perspective on life, and we need to add his near impossible escape from the Sarlacc to this as well.[/SPOILER]
So all in all, I find his change in behaviour pretty believable, once we get to see what caused it.
Oh, and that Wookiee looked very bad ass!
I'm really loving this show, and now it's got me wanting to add to my Tusken village terrain too... ::)
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Ah, but did you spot water-butt droid?
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Heh, I did notice it. I thought it was some form of Gonk droid.
Nice job identifying it; when you know the shape, I'm sure it would be easy to spot, but I sure didn't... :)
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Heh, I did notice it. I thought it was some form of Gonk droid.
Nice job identifying it; when you know the shape, I'm sure it would be easy to spot, but I sure didn't... :)
I've got a couple in the garden, so very familiar with the shape. Told the Mrs we've got some droids in the garden - she just rolled her eyes! I imagine it's a water carrying droid, but the legs look like something from 1930's Flash Gordon (could be a homage I guess).
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Yeah, could’ve done with an extra half day in the prop shop really lol
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I found out elsewhere that the bar/diner where Boba fights the biker gang is supposed to be Tosche Station from a deleted scene in the original film. The human couple that get harassed by the bikers are identified in the credits as Camie and Fixer, so they are Luke and Biggs’s friends from that deleted scene, although played by different actors.
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That's quite a cool nod :)
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So when are you building the train? ;)
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lol
Got to finish the AT crane first lol
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lol lol
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I would agree that Fett seems a little too restrained, for the one guy Darth Vader singled out, as crime lord. However, he got back into the saddle in Episode 2. I kept thinking the whole time, 'This is Lawrence of Arabia in space. Neat'
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I liked episode 2 better. Still a bit wishy-washy in terms of his "alignment" to draw from a D&D reference. I'd say that he should be true Neutral bending towards Neutral Evil. A bounty hunter would be self-preserving but have little care about the machinations of his employers. Money talks, but causes don't matter. The Neutral Evil slant would simply be a nod to the fact that sometimes you have to do bad stuff to be a bounty hunter, or as the leader of a crime family. The bad stuff is just part of the natural order of things and can be shrugged off as the way the galaxy works.
But the show has Boba running a bit Neutral Good. "Righter of wrongs" doesn't feel on target for me. It isn't that people can't change in the real world, they certainly can. But I like my entertainment to be a little more black and white. Disney has a bent towards making everything a redemption story. The bad guys aren't that bad, every cloud has a silver lining, and every underdog wins. Boba was a good place for the story to go Scarface or Goodfellas. The story of Boba building an empire under an iron fist, even if the moral of the story is that the crime syndicate outlasts Boba, or that crime pays well but exacts a terrible toll all the same. For me, that would have matched the Boba of my youthful imaginations. I admit that was too much to hope for coming from Disney.
I liked the Hutts. I've still yet to figure out what makes them scary or powerful, but I'm hoping that this season will give us a look at a Hutt in action that is on par with that moment that Yoda drops the cane and wields his lightsaber in combat. That was a great "ah-ha!" moment for me. It proved out how that little green thing could be so dangerous. I would like to see a similar treatment for the Hutts.
The Wookie was awesome. We always hear about how Chewie could tear your arms off, but he looks too cute and cuddly, and I think the scenes with Chewie in combat always looked comical. Like watching Andre the Giant in Princess Bride. That Wookie looked lethal. For the first time in any Star Wars, I felt like a Wookie might be truly dangerous.
The Gamoreans continue to be awesome when they are around, but seem to vanish into thin air somehow. I also loved the Mayor of the town. Not totally sure about a fuzzy Ithorian, but I love the officious bureaucracy of his office and his henchmen. Like the best kind of sleazy politician who is clearly feeling the untouchability of being propped up by a criminal organization.
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Incidentally the making of the Gaffi stick was pretty exciting for me,they used a spokeshave! I thought that was pretty fab (well for someone like myself anyway lol).
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SPOILERS
I found out elsewhere that the bar/diner where Boba fights the biker gang is supposed to be Tosche Station from a deleted scene in the original film. The human couple that get harassed by the bikers are identified in the credits as Camie and Fixer, so they are Luke and Biggs’s friends from that deleted scene, although played by different actors.
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They kind of had to do that with Camie, the actress who had played her is the reason why there isn't much of the Tosche Station characters due to trying to sue over toy rights...and there's the other issue that she did porn for a while which added to the mess.
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I watched both episodes im the last couple of days and loved them. Surely there were some rough edges and a few deus ex machina scenes, but they made it believable(for me) that Boba went through some life changing episodes. His redemption now also makes sense to the Mandalorian cameo.
Loved the Tusken. Simply great…I need an army of them. And the wookie. Wow, that is some scary bodyguard.
Very, very excited to see where this is heading!
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Watched the second episode now and yes to all. The cheeky wink from the huge Wookie was great, as was all the backstory of Boba with the Tuskens. I enjoy how the Tuskens started life in the films as quasi Afghan hillmen in space, with their jezzails and flowing desert robes. But now you start to see the Maori influences with the Tusken gaffi stick being used very like a Maori taiaha fighting stick, with Temuera Morrison's Polynesian snarls and grimaces perfectly complementing it. I half expected him to break into a Haka during the end scene with the ceremony round the campfire.
Right after the show I told my wife I thought he took is helmet off a bit too much. I know he is not of the strict sect “Mando” was but it still seemed odd.
Jango Fett wasn't a Mandalorian at all, but he was raised there and thus acquired his suit of armour. Neither was Boba of course, being Jango's clone raised on Kamino. After Jango's death he spent time in prison on Coruscant and then was a member of various criminal gangs, eventually wearing his father's armour and becoming a mercenary and bounty hunter. But I agree, the decision to leave off the helmet so much probably had more to do with Temuera's amazing face as much as any backstory.
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I think his teeth are a bit too white lol
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I think his teeth are a bit too white lol
I blame it on the healing properties of the Bacta tank! ;)
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I blame it on the healing properties of the Bacta tank! ;)
I was thinking that it might have been Sarlac stomach acid lol
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Nah,it’s the Black melon water. :D
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I was thinking that it might have been Sarlac stomach acid lol
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Well he certainly put on weight after falling into the Sarlach, so anything is possible. ;) lol
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Absolutely love they're mining the more recent comics for ideas.
That wookie? He's Black Krrsantan. I wont spoil much but lets just say he's a real mean SOB who makes Chewie look like a teddy bear.
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Jango Fett wasn't a Mandalorian at all, but he was raised there and thus acquired his suit of armour. Neither was Boba of course, being Jango's clone raised on Kamino. After Jango's death he spent time in prison on Coruscant and then was a member of various criminal gangs, eventually wearing his father's armour and becoming a mercenary and bounty hunter. But I agree, the decision to leave off the helmet so much probably had more to do with Temuera's amazing face as much as any backstory.
Jango not being a Mandalorian came from someone who was already lying about a lot of things...he also put the Death Watch as not being Mandalorian.
A lot of that came from the Mandalorian Civil Wars...which technically only ended at the end of the Clone Wars (Or may still be going on), just that the "True" Mandalorians "won" and took over Mandalore while the rest were still shooting each other.
I'm expecting that Jango's backstory is going to remain with him being from Concorde Dawn (A Mandalorian colony world) and adopted into Jasters band after Death Watch killed most of his family, burned the family holdings, and abducted his sister (I'm still thinking there's going to be a Bad Batch reveal that Omega isn't a Clone of Jango Fett, but of Arla Fett because she'd be unmodified Fett DNA as well). Then Galidran happened which raises questions about why Jango was willing to work with Dooku
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Ah, my filthy filthy lies, I'm so ashamed.
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Resist all the Jedi mind tricks you want, it didn't stop a lady in a bikini from choking Jaba out with a chain. Perhaps it was a grave error to never show the consequences of that action but Leia lived to be old and grey without having to constantly look over her shoulder. I don't understand how you have a race gain power based on being clever. It would never stop some stronger faction from simply swooping in and taking what they wanted. Individuals of the race may be clever, but somewhere in the Hutt sphere, there has to be muscle. Maybe not at the time of the movies, but somewhere in the past.
Weak humans may hold political sway over other humans, or pay for protection. If a race of bloodthirsty aliens landed on Earth, and there were no warriors to resist, it wouldn't matter what political clout or riches humanity held. Someone in the race has to be a warrior of prowess or everything gets taken. Or, potentially there could be a symbiotic relationship with a warrior caste as you see in the Halo series but we never see that with the Hutts.
At least Yoda always had the force to fall back on. Even if you didn't like his fighting style, he was never just a tiny green guy who was really good at math. He had the ability to project power, as we see with Grogu as well. Jabba had what going for him? Speed? Dexterity? Precognition? Blaster-proof skin? Resisting a Jedi mind trick in this context is essentially being able to resist buying the extended warranty at Best Buy. It's handy, but you can't build an empire off of that.
For your sake, Rick, I'm hoping we get to see some Hutt legs. lol
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Resist all the Jedi mind tricks you want, it didn't stop a lady in a bikini from choking Jaba out with a chain. Perhaps it was a grave error to never show the consequences of that action but Leia lived to be old and grey without having to constantly look over her shoulder. I don't understand how you have a race gain power based on being clever. It would never stop some stronger faction from simply swooping in and taking what they wanted. Individuals of the race may be clever, but somewhere in the Hutt sphere, there has to be muscle. Maybe not at the time of the movies, but somewhere in the past.
Weak humans may hold political sway over other humans, or pay for protection. If a race of bloodthirsty aliens landed on Earth, and there were no warriors to resist, it wouldn't matter what political clout or riches humanity held. Someone in the race has to be a warrior of prowess or everything gets taken. Or, potentially there could be a symbiotic relationship with a warrior caste as you see in the Halo series but we never see that with the Hutts.
At least Yoda always had the force to fall back on. Even if you didn't like his fighting style, he was never just a tiny green guy who was really good at math. He had the ability to project power, as we see with Grogu as well. Jabba had what going for him? Speed? Dexterity? Precognition? Blaster-proof skin? Resisting a Jedi mind trick in this context is essentially being able to resist buying the extended warranty at Best Buy. It's handy, but you can't build an empire off of that.
For your sake, Rick, I'm hoping we get to see some Hutt legs. lol
(https://www.starwars-holonet.com/holonet/images/3/37/11107/perso_grakkus_3.jpg)
From the older stuff, one of the reasons why the Hutts got powerful is that they were one of the first species to obtain hyperdrives and had been expanding even before that.
Then they started dominating their local space because they could move things, then while the rest of the galaxy had their wars, the Hutts tended to just gather resources and stay out of them...often playing both sides as profitteers (The entire expansion of TOR is one major example of this sort of thing with them playing both the Empire and Republic).
You also have things like their old Power Armor which is still a frankly terrifying piece of tech at least centuries later when few hutts are willing to do much.
The Hutts also knew when to not push things, while there were small things during the majority of the Republic, they only really did anything directly when the Republic was busy elsewhere...they were a near peer power in what they had, but would have been stomped if the Republic or Empire turned their full attention on them when there wasn't another threat that would easily take advantage of it.
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Loved the new episode (with perhaps the exception of the mopeds lol).
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Positives:
The Wookie fight.
The Rancor & Danny Trejo!
Negatives:
The whole moped chase felt a bit flat to me - may have been the accompanying music.
Who's looking forward to seeing Boba riding on a Rancor? You know the brown sticky stuff is going to go down with the Pyke Syndicate too!
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The whole moped chase felt a bit flat to me - may have been the accompanying music.
Yes, The repulsor craft didn't bounce round enough and seemed too stable and it was a bit slow. Still enjoyed it though :D
Who's looking forward to seeing Boba riding on a Rancor?
That is going to kick so much arse lol
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Yes, The repulsor craft didn't bounce round enough and seemed too stable and it was a bit slow. Still enjoyed it though :D
I think I had the similar chase in Solo in my mind and kept comparing it to that.
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I thought the one in Solo was fine and perfectly Star Warsy :)
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They were obviously a big nod to Japanese gentsuki mopeds, which is fine. The speed was right on par with the real wordt things, and 200 kmph speederbikes in a built up area would make for some very short lived gangs after all.
No; I thought them to be just too colourful to fit in at Mos Espa (I suppose it's Mos Vespa for sure now ;D ).
Nice to see the gang/familiy slowly grow. I had sort of expected Boba to use the Sand People as muscle, but I suppose that door's been well and fully closed now because of the Nikto biker gang. Who knows; maybe he will use his induction into his adoptive tribe to deal with other ones?
Also, not killing the Wookiee probably might have bought Boba some credit with him too...
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I don’t know about the Japanese influence,I rather think they were more mod,rather like the 60s/80s revival,except for the young woman who is channeling Joan Jett.
As for the Rancor,I hope it doesn’t get itself killed,I tend to get attached.
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What was all this? Cuddly Rancor pets, Quadrophenia in space, badass Wookiee gone lame? Really, I don't buy it. This has to be going serious or I'm out. There is so much good that is simply spoiled. I want to like it, I really do. But,...well. I'm lost for words. :(
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Mate I think the third episode was setting the scene for future episodes…I hope :)
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Yeah, I think that’s the case. I’m thinking there won’t be any backstory next week and it’ll just be ‘present day’ action.
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Can it really be that the "Bib Fortuna intermezzo" isn't worth any more than a footnote in an uninspired presentation by a bored and depressive droid? Three episodes now scratched only the surface of what it all is about and try to blindfold me with "action" scenes that we've all seen done better? I mean. I consider myself a fanboy of that universe since I played with those Kenner figures in 1978 in the dust of my grandmother's yard. I am keen to watch every new release, but I WANT TO BELIEVE!
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Mate I think the third episode was setting the scene for future episodes…I hope :)
I agree. Lots of setting up future episodes. These are my predictions.
We've yet to see Boba get revenge against the biker gang.
There's going to be a rumble with the Pyke Syndicate (probably last episode).
Boba will be riding the Rancor at some point.
Krrsantan (the Wookie) will join Boba - too good a character to throwaway.
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I´m tired of "The Book of Boba Fett", this not interesting.
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The comics do have Black Krrsantan and Boba working together as bounty hunters, but the timeline of that seems off in terms of the show. This would have still been during Vader/Empire/original three movies timeframe and we are past that in the show. So I assume that the show writers liked the character and wanted to bring him in. I do think that the result of sparing Krrsantan's life will be that he joins Boba's gang. That is barely a question at this point. I was surprised that he didn't just walk back in with Boba at the end of the scene.
The biker gang seems like it would have been a good addition, but would have liked to have seen them brought into the fold in a different manner. The King Solomon decision making to go right down the middle and employ the kids who just want jobs (is that a thing?) and also make the water merchant sell his goods at a fair price all seemed odd. It actually made me think that there is no way the water merchant isn't going to turn against Boba at some point.
I agree that it is odd that the Mayor could promise a territory to the Pykes and the Hutts would just bow out. That said, the Pykes do seem to have military might, and the Hutts are presumably stubborn and patient, so it makes sense that they would step aside without a fuss. I don't see that as terrorizing and scary as those in the Star Wars Universe, but whatever. I'm still waiting to see a mad Hutt rampage and wreck some stuff.
I feel like the entire chase scene could have been avoided. The Mayor clearly wasn't at home, and so why not just say that he wasn't there? Boba is so even-tempered and understanding that he surely would have just left the building knowing that he couldn't meet with the Mayor. ::)
I agree that the destruction of the Sandpeople camp was far more glossed over than I think it should have been. When a reformed killer loses the only thing that matters to him he should lose his quest for Zen and go on a tear. John Wick... Boba should be John Wick. He just wanted a quiet life living in the desert and they killed his lizard space dog thing so he digs up his weapons and sets about taking his revenge. He may go back to trying to live a quiet and simple life, but when the next bad thing happens he should unleash hell on those who crossed him. This is basically what I've been hoping for all along. Give someone the carbonite slippers and toss him in a Sarlacc! Kneecap the offender and feed the Rancor!
Speaking of the Rancor, I didn't know they were basically Pit Bulls in space. Loyal, bred for fighting, but mostly they want a good scratch behind the ear and a lap to lay in. I agree that I'm going to be deeply sad if they kill off the loyal pet.
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And how is that almost Imperial looking security guard/secretary with the dodgy haircut still alive?
Now we're asking the real questions! :D
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I think he’s crew,and it may even be an in joke that he’s in it. He is the stereotypical fan :)
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I am thinking the biker gang will eventually be shown to have been working for Bib Fortuna. Just a guess.
Boba and Fennec were more like a couple of rookie cops in the Mayor’s office than a season bounty hunter and assassin. And circumventing the electric lock with a knife? Really? And how is that almost Imperial looking security guard/secretary with the dodgy haircut still alive?
Mr Morrison himself said they were like Cagney and Lacey.
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If no-one has coined Flash-bacta, then I’m claiming it.
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What was all this? Cuddly Rancor pets, Quadrophenia in space, badass Wookiee gone lame? Really, I don't buy it. This has to be going serious or I'm out. There is so much good that is simply spoiled. I want to like it, I really do. But,...well. I'm lost for words. :(
That, was a bag of rubbish.
The stupid hover bikes. They reminded me of the Thunderbirds hover bikes from the 60's puppet series. The gang's modifications - looked cyberpunk - not Star Wars, imho.
And if this giant wookie is so rock hard, why didn't he simply pull Fett's arms off like another angry wookie we know?
Last week's was really good. All that sand people back story. Then they do that to them. Did George RR Martin write this episode?
Sorry, disappointed.
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If no-one has coined Flash-bacta, then I’m claiming it.
Brilliant! I do hope the next episode starts with the Gamorrean guard in the bacta tank and a few scenes from his past.
Last week's was really good. All that sand people back story. Then they do that to them. Did George RR Martin write this episode?
But if you care about the sand people, doesn't that show that the story's working? Just as the Red Wedding, etc., are signs of Martin's skill as a storyteller? If the scriptwriters hadn't made you care about the Tuskens, it wouldn't be affecting.
It's like the end of Seven Samurai - a test-screening audience would want a happier ending, but the skill of the storytelling is in allowing it to hurt.
I didn't like the bikes much either, and I agree on the look of the cyborg gang.
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The bike chase reminded me of the bit in Austin Powers with the steam roller.
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The bike chase reminded me of the bit in Austin Powers with the steam roller.
On another site, it's been described as "Instead of a high speed chase, we were treated to a a group on hover round motorized wheel chairs moving through town." lol
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It was so bad. I felt like I wasted my life. The space-teens with their space-Vespas... c'mon, man! Terrible.
And the whole time they're chasing the guy who drives his speeder like he's going through a school zone during dismissal hours, I'm wonder where Boba Fett is with his jet pack. Guess who shows up after they smash into the obligatory fruit stand?
I hope the next episode is better.
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The only good thing about the chase (for me) was that he crashed into crates of meilooruns (first seen in Rebels).
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The only good thing about the chase (for me) was that he crashed into crates of meilooruns (first seen in Rebels).
Yeah, nice touch 8)
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After two very good parts the third was a bit slow. The Space-Vespas and these gang of terminators were not neccessary, not StarWars-like. The rest was more an introducing for the next parts of BookOfBoba. It was ok, but not the high standard everyone expects…
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For all the complaints about the speed of the chase scene, a lot of shows are suffering from this 'faux speed' effect not working (see also Sons of Anarchy's last couple of seasons, Mayans, virtually any TV cop show where there's close ups in the chase made in the last 10 years), my guess is it's a risk management/h&s issue, not to mention cost, insurance for performing stunts at high speed etc, coupled with filming a lot of scenes in a 100ft long virtual stage.
I also read some theorising somewhere that the mods gang may be a nod in some way to American Grafitti, which is just the kind of homage to Lucas I'd expect from Favreau/Filoni. Never got round to watching it so can't comment any further, but it sounds plausible. As for them not being very star wars-y star wars is everything from subsistence farmers growing space-rice in paddy fields to high tech, world covering slick cities doused in neon with flying cars, so I'm not sure where that idea comes from.
The treatment of the Rancor is much more akin to those seen in Rebels, which was much more sympathetic and does make the poor thing's demise in ROTJ a lot more tragic.
I've enjoyed more about it than I've disliked. You have to forget what you know from EU and 40 odd years of fanon and headcanon imo. I also think it's a mistake now to see these series as 'good episodes' and 'bad episodes', BOBF, much like The Witcher or The Expanse are much more like a 6-8 hour movie broken into chunks. This feels like a relatively quiet space in the second act which sets up the denoument.
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I think you hit the nail on the head, Cypher
I've enjoyed more about it than I've disliked. You have to forget what you know from EU and 40 odd years of fanon and headcanon imo. I also think it's a mistake now to see these series as 'good episodes' and 'bad episodes', BOBF, much like The Witcher or The Expanse are much more like a 6-8 hour movie broken into chunks. This feels like a relatively quiet space in the second act which sets up the denoument.
It is unfortunate that all of the episodes are not available, as I can't watch the "good" part that comes afterward. All in all, it's still a fun show and I will most likely watch it again next Wednesday. :)
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As for them not being very star wars-y star wars is everything from subsistence farmers growing space-rice in paddy fields to high tech, world covering slick cities doused in neon with flying cars, so I'm not sure where that idea comes from.
I don't necessarily think they don't look Star Wars-y, but they do look out of place. if this was Coruscant or Canto Bight they would fit right in, but in Mos Espa they stick out like a sore thumb. Not only does everyone around them look worn and weary, the backstory of these guys is that they're out of job, yet they look like a bunch of hipsters and are the only ones who have clean and fashionable clothing, spotless vehicles in trendy colours, and fancy cybernetics. These guys can't afford water, but some how they, their clothes and their vehicles all look remarkably clean.
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But if you care about the sand people, doesn't that show that the story's working? Just as the Red Wedding, etc., are signs of Martin's skill as a storyteller? If the scriptwriters hadn't made you care about the Tuskens, it wouldn't be affecting.
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Good point :D
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The space mods are just that mods(or futurists lol),and despite their lack of work the strive to look flash,perhaps in this case a reaction to the general environment. Much like their original namesakes mod* was a reaction,young clerical workers et cetera looking fast and slick in a post wwII world (mods came from modernists early 60s jazz fans listening to bebop,soul and rhythm and blues rather than trad jazz).
I think in conclusion someone may have been into The Jam lol
* Never a mod myself,more weird psych stuff…In a time long ,long ago futures past at the gates of dawn lol
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Well, I just enjoyed it.
The Vespa scene felt unnecessary, but hey, I just watched Mandalorian 1#1 again, and even there we have several unnecessary fillers (Mando learns to ride…).
So oka. I felt the wookie fight was a bit unexplained. How did this guy get into the room? Why has Boba several guards to protect his palace? And why didn’t that stupid wookie just shoot him?
I also felt the Hutt‘s exiting a bit too rash and unexplained for my taste. But then again, it’s 1.) Star Wars, 2.) Enjoyable Pulpe SF lasting less than an hour, 3.) Star Wars, 4.) really well made and without any boring bits, 5.) Star Wars, 6.) a nice and highly gameable perspective on the underground in the Star Wars universe…and 7.) it’s Star Wars, of course.
So in the end, I liked it despite its flaws!
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Is it weird that young adults who spent a ton of money on mods and flashy bikes then complain about how they don't have money for water? ::)
Despite wishing the story was headed in a different direction, I do like the show. However, I'm very easy to please. I want to be whisked away to a place that I like for a bit, and I'm willing to suspend a TON of disbelief to get there. Complaining about things like the special effects or the speed of the bike chase is a little like complaining that Mr. Rogers puppets in the land of make-believe didn't look enough like real tigers or owls. You are in the land of make-believe, friends. Whatever happens there is likely to happen exactly as it would. Just enjoy the little trip before you go get in your real car that doesn't scream through town at 100mph and has never had the joy of driving through a fruit stand. lol
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Is it weird that young adults who spent a ton of money on mods and flashy bikes then complain about how they don't have money for water? ::)
Yep, seen that happen in real life. :D
What really irks me about the series is ... I can't watch it at all :?
Disney + says it 'is not available in my region'.
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I liked it! They're a spiv mod gang, living for their bikes and kicks. It brought a flash of colour and a bit of something different to the show. It's a bit more of a light-hearted feel than most of the rest, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just entertainment. I've loved Star Wars since my first toys in the Christmas of '77 and this sort of mix of brevity and levity is part of what makes it so good, for my money. Them streets were pretty damn narrow and the hover vehicles don't seem to have the sharpest response to the wheel or turning circle, so slower speeds make perfect sense to me. This is why I don't try to race my hovercraft through multi-storey carparks.
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While they look like a gang that would be more at home on Coruscant, wouldn't it make sense that outer rims gangs would try to emulate the inner planets a bit? I enjoyed it, thought it was fun, and my kids loved it. Maybe that's a large part of the draw for me - characters I enjoy, but with stories my 9 year old son eats up. I'm living my star wars midlife crisis through him, and it's working so far.
Plus, is anything ever really bad when Ming-Na is in it?
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This is why I don't try to race my hovercraft through multi-storey carparks.
Try it! It's... exhilerating, to say the least... lol
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Yep, seen that happen in real life. :D
What really irks me about the series is ... I can't watch it at all :?
Disney + says it 'is not available in my region'.
A VPN is your friend here
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Fething brilliant no spoilers but listen out for the final scenes music :D
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Agreed; another strong one 8)
And now I have to check out that music again, because I don't know what you mean... lol
+++EDIT+++ I just did, but still can't tell what you're referring to. That's probably me though... :D
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I am intrigued to watch this, but for me - and I guess a number of fellow New Zealanders in their forties - Temuera Morrison is always going to be Jake tha Muss from Once Were Warriors. Unless he's acting his socks off, I can't see him as anything else.
Is the acting good enough that it really enables suspension of disbelief, or is most of the charm the world-building side of things? (I feel hardly anyone watches Star Wars for the acting - it is the world that matters to most, and fair enough :) )
By the by, a few years ago, on a deserted train in central belt Scotland, a skinhead wide-o was about to give me a panelling when he realised I was from NZ. He then spent the rest of the trip talking excitedly about how great Jake the Muss was.
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Loved it :D
Fething brilliant no spoilers but listen out for the final scenes music :D
Got it 8)
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Agreed; another strong one 8)
And now I have to check out that music again, because I don't know what you mean... lol
+++EDIT+++ I just did, but still can't tell what you're referring to. That's probably me though... :D
Oh dear ,no hints I’m afraid. Rather like a bit of woodwind I must say. :)
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The end music was a nice touch to what could be happening in the next episode.
Did have me wondering what the flashes were in the sky then it clicked.
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Am I the only one missing something? What about the music?!
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I had to look up the tune of another series to identify this almost subliminal message, but I finally got it.
I can be rather dense at times... ::)
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He was also in a NZ soap opera!
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Am I the only one missing something? What about the music?!
You need to think about who that little musical signature always accompanies, and remember, they're looking for hired muscle.
Is it me or is there a mismatch between Boba finding Fennec in the book of, and the same incident in the Mandalorian?
I seem to remember that in the Mandalorian episode Boba appeared right at the end, observing from afar and it was day time. In episode 4 of book of, he sees the flares and appears at night, must rewatch it to satisfy my geeky OCD inner self.
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I did like the Wookie (Krrsantan) drinking and getting angered at the sight of a crew of Trandoshans enjoying themselves and the subsequent outcome.
Also, liked the scene at the Sarlacc Pit. The burning barge in the background, the use of the sonic charge were nice touches. Using a sonic charge made sense - unlike using it in the vacuum of space!
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I seem to remember that in the Mandalorian episode Boba appeared right at the end, observing from afar and it was day time. In episode 4 of book of, he sees the flares and appears at night, must rewatch it to satisfy my geeky OCD inner self.
My bad, I'm mixing it up with the episode from season 2, the marshal. The incident from The book of & the Mandalorian do match up.
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Ugh not a fan of the last episode either, while I liked the first two episodes, they are quickly losing me, it seems to me all this series is doing is, trying to make Boba Fett look incompetent, ChewBlacka was the only redeeming quality in the last episode.
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I caught the music right away, but I love the soundtracks for both shows.
This was my least favorite episode, but still fun. Nice to see the Slave I in action again, though I thought that flying it over the Sarlacc was a bit silly. Likewise, the modification den felt out of place or out of character. They are leaning a bit too much into this mod-gang thing. I don't mind a little extra flavor added to the Star Wars Universe, but not it feels like we are trying to paint everything with that brush. I assumed that an operation like replacing Luke's hand was a luxury afforded to the few and not a thing that people did for giggles. I suppose that even a place like Tatooine has to "Grow up" at some point, but the Star Hipsters trying to gentrify Mos Espa is too far! >:( lol
I was seriously entertained by the rat-catcher droid scene and the conference room table above the rancor. Krrsantan doing what wookies are best known for was also a nice touch. I feel like I've been promised that moment since I was a little kid! lol
At this point, I'm also hoping that Boba hiring muscle lines up with his conversations with Fennec about starting a bounty hunter family. If we can get Dengar, IG-88, Bossk, Zuckuss and 4-Lom back together, I'll be over the moon.
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Krrsantan doing what wookies are best known for was also a nice touch. I feel like I've been promised that moment since I was a little kid! lol
I thought that and the equivalent scene in Solo (strangely underrated in my view) are two of the better in-jokes in post-original Star Wars.
I also liked the return of smaller Trandoshans (not seen in live action since 1977, I think - I've no idea about the cartoons).
My son's also taken some inspiration from the series for his tin-foil and Fimo projects (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=129465.msg1716054#msg1716054); our recent visit to the Harrhausen exhibition provided the catalyst.
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I caught the music right away, but I love the soundtracks for both shows.
This was my least favorite episode, but still fun. Nice to see the Slave I in action again, though I thought that flying it over the Sarlacc was a bit silly. Likewise, the modification den felt out of place or out of character. They are leaning a bit too much into this mod-gang thing. I don't mind a little extra flavor added to the Star Wars Universe, but not it feels like we are trying to paint everything with that brush. I assumed that an operation like replacing Luke's hand was a luxury afforded to the few and not a thing that people did for giggles. I suppose that even a place like Tatooine has to "Grow up" at some point, but the Star Hipsters trying to gentrify Mos Espa is too far! >:( lol
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Eh, I look at it like this. Luke got a high class surgical prosthetic that emulates his real hand perfectly even with fake skin. These modders though are repurposing droid bits for both an aesthetic and combat edge. It's like a guy getting a running blade versus a peg-leg with a knife on the end. Similar but different.
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I don’t know,she is a fox though ;)
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In the WEG D6 rules there was a pre-designed cyborg character (along with smugglers, engineers, force users etc) that could be used if players didn’t want to create their own so I’ve got no problem with it.
Also, there’s always been a distinct lack of blood in Star Wars, partly because blaster shots cauterise the wounds and partly because it’s for kids :)
she is a fox though ;)
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The actor looks like, moves like and is in real life over 60 but he is supposed to be in his early 40's. History will not be kind to this series...
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They may be low miles, but they were rough...
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I liked episode 4. I think it was the best one so far. The pacing felt somewhat not as slow as the previous ones.
Lately I have seen rumors that Temuera will also be playing Rex and Cody i Ashoka and Obi Wan series. That might have me even more excited. - If it is true..
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Just thinking and the hired muscle could be Mayfeld ???
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Or Bo-Katan and her crew?
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Or Bo-Katan and her crew?
I was thinking either that, or the Mando himself?
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I remember reading on one of the 'news' sites on FB that Ming was saying that the finale was going to be 'epic' (or some such).
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I've enjoyed the series so far and although there are a couple of Ohh plot lines and cardboard scenes, I am still looking forward to seeing the rest of the episodes.
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Im thinking that we are more or less done with the Bactatank flashbacks now that Boba if fully healed. And I suspect that now he is getting a band together to kick ass and take names.
While the flashbacks were cool (Now Anakin is even more evil after slaughtering a whole settlement of Tusken) they did slow the pace down a bit.
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I wonder if keeping it to one episode would’ve been better :?
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The actor looks like, moves like and is in real life over 60 but he is supposed to be in his early 40's. History will not be kind to this series...
As a 40-something, I feel like I'm about as mobile and nimble as Boba. If anything, I look at him getting tossed around and think "Nope, no way that wouldn't throw my back out for two weeks." I'm not sure 40 is as young and spry as you think, Tokhuah lol
That, or I'm a 40-something who moves like a 60-something? I'm not sure I like the sound of that either.
How many more episodes before the finale?
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Well, I’m 56 and thanks to fractured vertebrae move like I’m 70,however still reasonably fit (I have to be),it’s all proportional :)
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Rumour has it that the Mandalorian will be piloting a Naboo fighter…
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In Fett or season three of his own?
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Rumour has it that the Mandalorian will be piloting a Naboo fighter…
Makes sense that the N-1's would be on the open market as used fighters if you take stuff from Legends. They were phased out for the G-1 starting shortly after the Battle of Naboo with the complete shift over being during the early Clone Wars...incorporating some of the Gungan tech as well. The design was largely pushed to fix some of the issues the N-1 displayed in open combat along with new technology they had access to.
Other than the Royal ones which retained the chrome and yellow, the majority of the Naboo/Gungan ones look like a N-1 with the yellow swapped for green.
But the N-1's being on the secondary market would make sense for Din to be able to get ahold of one, they were well built and can outcompete some of the fighters coming into general production while they were being phased out (The later Clone Wars Z-95's were about the same...though, if you include performance in games, it's about as good as an X-Wing in combat).
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and there's the other issue that she did porn for a while which added to the mess.
... AAAAAAAAND "dated" Prince Andrew (yes, THAT one). Koo Stark.
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I fear this may be threadcrapping, but after enjoying Mandalorian so much, I've been really disappointed with Boba Fett.
BoBF isn't working for me because the main character isn't written anything at all like the Boba we've seen in any other media to this point. He's helping prisoners escape, sparing people's lives, allowing slights and infractions. this is the same guy Vader had to rein in? The same guy who did jobs for the Hutts? This Boba's actions really are no different than actions the Mandalorian would take, except Boba seldom wears the mandalorian armour. (probably because The Mandalorian is fresh in everyone's mind). Disney can't seem to commit to a villainous lead here. I guess I was thinking this would be like the Star Wars Sopranos or Godfather. Maybe even Casino. Heck, he's not even an anti-hero. "Rule out of Respect". Good grief. that's how ideally run a company or unit. A criminal empire? Fear and exploitation is the trade is it not? The show could also use with a little more humour and fewer nostalgia eggs. The SW universe seems so small these days...
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Well... Ep.5's title leaves nothing to the imagination at least... lol
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That was 'Wizard' lol
Rumour has it that the Mandalorian will be piloting a Naboo fighter…
Which was very cool 8)
There were a couple of laugh out loud moments for me as well. A good solid episode from Bryce 8)
Some of the scenic and space shots were very good although...
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Not sure about the Niven ring. It looked very good but uncertain if it fits. Can't remember ever reading about one.
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I can see how some folks might not like a Boba redemption story. I was originally opposed to the idea but I think they are doing a decent job of it so far and they showrunners changed my mind.
It is working for me and Mrs. GG (to be fair she always prefers redemption stories though).
It could be better but it is still pretty good in my opinion. They need longer running times to more fully explore the character development and do more world building. Some plot threads could be neater/more tightly woven.
Flashbacks in general irritate me when it comes to storytelling.
I think Boba was changed by his Sarlaac experience (ie rebirth) and his admiration/respect for the Tuskens he joined. His first family. Important thing for a kid with such a challenging upbringing.
The “old man has to rethink his previous life” trope connects with my own current situation even if the details are vastly different. It something more profound than a midlife crisis. It is having to reinvent yourself when you are forced to look at things differently due to your changing experiences.
But the story may not work for everyone.
This is really insightful and will give me something to dwell on. I say this with all sincerity. Thanks for the post!
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I never thought I’d find a Naboo fighter cool lol And a brilliant nod to the old supercharger trope ;)
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Episode 5 was amazing, I’ve really enjoyed all the episodes except 3 which was a bit iffy but I like the whole boba story to be fair
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Yes,I agree Majorsmith.
And I almost quoted myself; I’ve only just got my Razorcrest ;)
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Loved episode 5, but it did highlight how lame Boba Fett is in comparison to Din Djarin, and how much I'd rather watch him, the first 5 minutes with him was better then anything else we've seen this season of the Book.
At least he'll be back, so it won't just be Boba Fett, but it's a shame that Boba Fett is near the bottom of cool characters in his own series, only his little mod gang is lamer. From a character that just oozed cool by just standing there, I'd now rather watch almost any other character than Boba Fett, it's a damn shame what they did to his character.
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Yeah,I don’t know. Boba is a different character so I’m enjoying the series on a different level to the Mandalorian,and if you have read any of the novels he is remarkably canon.
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I’m happy with the way he’s going. Not every character has to be ‘kick ass’.
I’m also appreciating the extra world building they’re doing in these spin offs.
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Amen to that.
Looks like Mando is taking over the badass role, where Boba is sort of going the Lando route now...
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He was also in a NZ soap opera!
To be fair, acting in Shortland Street is where a fair chunk of UnZud actors get their first chops. It's like Neighbours or Home & away (or Corrie - which even Craig Charles (Red Dwarf) )
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X-Wing flying New Republic Space Cops for the win though…. When can we get that series?
"This is Donut Leader: Donut Five, take over!"
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Finally caught up with the latest episode and I really enjoyed it - but then this is basically just an episode of The Mandalorian!
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Ugh...
Ok, trying to "like" Boba, but many comments just keep reminding me that I want him to be something other than what Disney has neutered him into becoming. I think it would have been nice to have Star Wars Goodfellas. Maybe someone, someday, will get that right. If we get a spinoff of Darth Maul finding his inner happiness and leading through inspiration and acceptance of others as they are, I'll likely set fire to my TV. lol
Naboo fighter: They weren't all that cool before, and with the additional mods I didn't like it more. Never mind that it is almost entirely impractical for a bounty hunter. What was the purpose of the little bubble behind the cockpit? Grogu? The head of the person he hunted? You can't bring anything back alive, and you have no cargo space. This is like telling someone that owns a delivery service that you have a sweet crotch rocket motorcycle to replace their delivery van. I hope this is a short-lived thing.
X-Wing Cops: As a comedic spinoff I would be down for something that looked like Reno 911 in space. I think Star Trek Lower Decks has done a good job lampooning the Trek universe, and X-Wing Cops could do well pursuing the same thing. I'd watch that.
Halo... Where were Master Chief and Cortana? :?
My final thought is that it is weird to have an entire episode of Boba where Boba isn't even around. I mean, he doesn't even show up in the final scene to recruit Din? Don't get me wrong, I loved seeing Din again. I miss the Mandalorian and Boba hasn't come close to scratching that itch. But, the titular character couldn't make an appearance? I don't get it.
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The x-Wing series of novels are dying for a series - spec ops team who are also elite starfighter pilots, oh yes please :D
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The x-Wing series of novels are dying for a series - spec ops team who are also elite starfighter pilots, oh yes please :D
Corran Horn is probably getting cold chills down his spine about it.
But Donut squadron seems like something that the Wraiths might use for cover at some point...though that tends to be tamer than a good chunk of their antics.
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Womp rats and Beggar's Canyon ... if that's not a punch in the nostalgia nuts I don't know what is.
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The x-Wing series of novels are dying for a series - spec ops team who are also elite starfighter pilots, oh yes please :D
Corran Horn is probably getting cold chills down his spine about it.
But Donut squadron seems like something that the Wraiths might use for cover at some point...though that tends to be tamer than a good chunk of their antics.
I am SO with you guys on this! 8)
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The best episode of "The Book of Boba Fet" until now, in my opinion. They could left Boba in his Bacta tank and continue with Mando from here...
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If anybody doesn't finish watching ep 6 with a big, cheesy grin they ain't human.
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I certainly am human :D
That was aces 8)
Loved the sandcrawler lol
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Wow, Episode 6 was special.
If you've not watched The Clone Wars, I can imagine a question or two arising.
Getting a Magnificent Seven vibe now.
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Is Cob Banth just winged? I hope so,and as for Cad Bane finally a truly scary baddie!
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Difficult to say. Weequay looked rather peeved (giving the impression he might do something) but I don’t know if Faverau would want to take a more leading role.
I liked Cad, very menacing. Same with Asoka, not cartoony at all
I have a hunch that baby yoda will pick the gift. Luke will take him to see Din and all hell will break loose on Tatooine :D
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Yup. This was a special episode.
Looks like things will get warm and chaotic. :D
Yes. Grogu will pick the chainmail... ;D
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If you've not watched The Clone Wars, I can imagine a question or two arising.
I keep having to pause the TV to explain bits to MrsCub about Clone Wars backstories! She loves the Star Wars genre in general and the two Disney shows (and is wildly over-excited about Obi-Wan coming soon) but hasn't really watched the films or animated shows, other than just catching the odd bit when I've been watching them. I can completely sympathise with those who complain the shows are just for 'fan-boys' because they're missing important nuances, but since I am one of the fan-boys I'm finding it hard to care that much!
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It‘s on track again now. 5 was lightyears beyond everything before in that show, but 6 made me cheer and grin all the time. I hope they‘ve found their pace and keep on like that! :D
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I can not get over what a brilliant job they did with Luke compared to his previous appearance.
It's scary to me how realistic the 'deep fake' technology is; they can literally put anyone's face on the screen now and it's now so difficult to even tell a real person from CGI. I kept thinking back to Oliver Reed's dodgy post-mortem cameos in Gladiator and how far things have progressed since then.
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I really hope that they keep the appearances of CGI Luke to a minimum and in stead go the western in space route. That really rocks.
I wonder how long until James builds his own skull trophy landcrawler.
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Soooo.... if Grogu stays with Luke, does that mean Kylo Ren kills him when he goes all Darkside?
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Is Cob Banth just winged? I hope so,and as for Cad Bane finally a truly scary baddie!
I think so, as Cad Bane was distracted by the deputy.
Fingers crossed for a Cad Bane vs Mando fight.
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I wonder how long until James builds his own skull trophy landcrawler.
I did start drawing up a smaller crawler a while back... :D
Soooo.... if Grogu stays with Luke, does that mean Kylo Ren kills him when he goes all Darkside?
Nah, him and Din will ride off into the Tatooine sunset and I won't be crying. Honest lol lol
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I did start drawing up a smaller crawler a while back... :D
(https://i.imgur.com/Rsx5YVc.jpg)
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I got the plastic cowboy gunfighters for Christmas. I don't do any western stuff, so wasn't sure what to do with them. I do feel that I may now have a use for a couple of them :D
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This episode was a bit all over the place for me.
On the plus side, I liked Cad Bane. It was good to see him out of the cartoons and into real life. Also happy to see Cob back.
The sand crawler was funny, but I don't know that it added much to the episode. I mean, how did that push the story of Boba forward?
On the downside, the Book of Boba has now had two episodes that basically don't have Boba in them. I question that decision. I also didn't give a hoot about the Grogu story and Luke. Again, "Book of Boba" shouldn't be the place to tell that tale. It is like someone gave up on the bad series and decided just to branch back into the Mandalorian (which is much better but deserves its own air time. The last two episodes could have basically been shorts or teasers for next season. I just don't see how they mesh in with BoB.
The fun of Mandalorian, and BoB is that we can see some of the galaxy without all of the Jedi stuff. Rogue One and Solo managed just fine, why add so much Jedi stuff into a movie that isn't about them? We are going to get Obi-Wan, why not wait until then? It is just such a big galaxy. I think we will all survive without the force for a season or three. I didn't like when they brought that angle in for Mandalorian either.
For me, it was a so-so effort. It felt forced, and distracted from the main purpose. Also, it is hard to feel like the gangster plot isn't working when Disney won't commit to it in a reasonable way.
Oh, and I liked the ant droids. They were fun. So there was that.
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Okay I admit I've avoided this thread until I'd caught up.
I've been watching with my ten year old ,then having to sit through his phone calls with his 24 year old brother as they geeked out. Plus being told I was too old to get it. ( I didn't help my case by saying I'd seen Star Was at the cinema in 1977 lol )
Plus Watching Luke and Grogu I made the mistake of pointing out It was a straight rip of Shogun Assassin. And wonder If Grogus 'Pram' would have ligh saber attachments when he goes Back to Din.
I was told in no uncertain terms if I didn't take it seriously I couldn't watch next week with him ::)
I'm of the opinion there's likely to be a second Cob verses Cad Bane show down.(Possibly coming to the rescue of one the three main characters in the process. )
As I thought It was Cob who was distracted by trying to see what his deputy was going to do.Bane used the opportunity to draw first.
Plus he was hit in the opposite shoulder to his gun hand.
The show down allows the Free town people to pick a side. With self preservation and revenge as motivation.
I did muse that after Cob asked Din about the Naboo fighter .If he'd end up flying off into the sun set in it.
Both my ten year old and I wondered if Bobba Fett would Give Din his ship at the end( Got told off for calling it Slave1)
Then We saw the art work at the end of the episode. Where it appeared to have a partially built Razorcrest hanging from the ceiling just behind Bobby's ship.
(I wasn't actually paying that much attention to the actual scene as I was being hinted at to make a Bobba Fett so I didn't notice if it was only in the concept art.)
I also wondered by showing the sand crawler was in way an affirmation of Cob's relationship with them. Possibly allowing for a desert version of the battle for Endor. As nothing else seems to be off limits for 'Nod'
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Soooo.... if Grogu stays with Luke, does that mean Kylo Ren kills him when he goes all Darkside?
If he stays with Luke, everything changes.
Ben Solo was supposed to be Luke's first student according to the sequels, so Grogu staying means that can't work
I'm expecting that the choice isn't a choice, but a test to see the middle.
Luke knows that attachments help, it's what saved his father.
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I really like how they do crossovers with both Mando and Ashoka. It has a real world building fell to it. I guess it is somewhat inspired by the Marvel cinematic universe.
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I am just enjoying it each week :D
Especially when seeing the crossovers - links and nods to other things
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Has anyone else noticed a slight Mal Reynolds vibe to Din in the last couple of episodes?
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I am just enjoying it each week :D
Especially when seeing the crossovers - links and nods to other things
As much as I am enjoying this series, I do think the series needed a bit more polish and tightening up. It feels like the story is there, it just doesn’t quite come into focus the way it should.
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I think all of us where expecting more because of the Mandalorian tv show being better.
I wonder if The Book of Boba would premiere first and then The Mandalorian, reactions would be quite diferent.
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Well, he is shiny :D
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Plus Watching Luke and Grogu I made the mistake of pointing out It was a straight rip of Shogun Assassin.
Lone wolf and cub series of films, as much as I loved shogun assassin it was a messy chop up of a couple of decent lone wolf movies, but yes I loved the way they put that in the episode 😀😀😀
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I was actually impressed with the way Cad transferred to live action. Really wasn't expecting that character to work outside of the cartoon.
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Hmm, must admit I was a little disappointed with the finale. It just didn’t seem to flow smoothly. Lots of decent separate elements and the overall look of Mos Espa was brill, it just fell flat as a whole :?
I hope they don’t give Rodriguez any more to direct.
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Haha, I’m not so critical. It was nice to see a few of the characters as combat monsters,and I enjoyed the nods to old films; King Kong being the obvious one.
That Wookie is now a personal fave :D
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I'm usually not that critical either lol
I think the previous two episodes in my mind were the best of the series so I was probably hoping for something to 'top' them. Perhaps a second watch later will help :)
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I'm usually not that critical either lol
I usually am...
I think the previous two episodes in my mind were the best of the series
Exactly the same over here!
I was probably hoping for something to 'top' them. Perhaps a second watch later will help :)
Regretfully not.
I am happy that Din and Grogu somewhat saved the entire season, but did the final episode really need a real time narration by Fennec Shand? After that it was a bit of everything from Star Wars, but not at it's best. I liked the sneaky Twi'Lek doing what he thought he could best and the Rancor was cool too. The hunter killer droids from Cyberdyne were cool too, but those rag tag helpers of Boba could never stand their ground.
The moment when Boba finally (was) remembered who or what he is saved my believe in this character at last. Final scene was paramount. Now we are free...
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Yeah, lots of separate bits were cool, they just weren’t put together convincingly.
Never mind. Onward and upward and it’s still a great gaming inspiration 8)
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Star Wars... :D
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Wow, I was blown away. The last episode is a killer. Rodriguez managed to bring in in a good way to the peak. Every episode a bit more. This is better than part 7 to 9 from my point of view.
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This is better than part 7 to 9 from my point of view.
Hey, even the Christmas Special was better than parts 7 to 9... lol
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I felt that the climatic shoot out felt too much like a junior school panto, the pacing was bad, very poorly put together, almost half bothered.
I still hate the Mods, they're massively out of place, riding around on those dumb ass Flash Gordon scooters all day and they're not even dusty. They don't belong on tatoine at all.
Over all, an enjoyable diversion, but not a patch on most of the Mandorian.
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I enjoyed that, lots of fun and nothing overly serious. Big homages to 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid', 'The Alamo', 'King Kong' and probably some stuff I missed. It was like watching my childhood toys fight and it did make me smile.
Plus the compulsory after-credit scene had me shaking my head in a "She's just so cool" moment.
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And the Godfather I/II.
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Hey, even the Christmas Special was better than parts 7 to 9... lol
Thems fightin’ words lol
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Some good bits, but very underwhelmed…..
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I think one of the problems is that ultimately the Disney series are hamstrung by Star Wars episodes 7-9.
It was cool when Luke showed up to rescue Grogu but because of what happens later on, Luke has to have become even more of a tool than he was originally. 😁
My own opinion is that the fashion for retconning doesn't half balls things up. Its the result of wanting to expand profitable franchises but also writers/producers wanting to make their mark.
Ep 7 was fun though!
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I must admit it wasn't what I was hoping for.But when your ten year old sits playing spot the movie. It's probably worse than you think. Troll Hunter,and of course King Kong ( which was met with OH KingKong seriously! I tried to explain it was even older than the Jack Black one. But being asked if I enjoyed seeing the original as a kid( l should be thankful for that I suppose. )was more entertaining
He was particularly wounded because he'd spent all day avoiding spoilers. Then it popped up whilst watching halo infinite videos 'Banes death scene '
Even my ten year old couldn't get his head around the idea of not going to the Palace and staying to street fight was somehow better for the residents.
Mind you they do make a particularly tough mud brick wall in that part of town.
To be fair he was impressed with Bobbas knee attack.
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Yeah; it's apparent that bountyhunters best work alone, because their grasp of even basic group tactics appears to be beyond them ::)
Splitting up his forces, without proper backup, in neutral but potential hostile territory, was questionable to say the least. He should have kept them in OPs on his own turf, near strategic in-routes, ready to fall back on the night club once contact was made.
But obviously the palace, with its meters thick walls, would have been a much tougher nut to crack in the case of any assault.
A better view of the surroundings would have been possible (I take it his own insertion into the palace would have prompted him to close off those points of ingress and observation and hopefully a closer look at any other potential security holes), and duking it out there would have protected the populace and habitation centres a lot better than staying in a bombed out night club in the middle of a residential area ever could.
Especially when pulling the Rancor out of the pit and into the fray; it probably did more damage to the town than the syndicate ever did! lol
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Most disjointed Season I think I've ever seen.
I wouldn't be surprised if they realised that the first half of the season was a mess during production and brought back Mando to rescue it. Boba Fett really didn't get up to much, just walked around parroting on about respect. They took an otherwise pretty blank canvass of a potentially cool character and made him pretty dull.
Of course the series was OKAY, the episode that reintroduced Mando was the best by far, but the rest of it was pretty meh.
Also don't know why Boba bothered with the Rancor. He could have just grabbed Slave 1. Would have probably done less damage!
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There were a few elements in the series that just didn't work for me, even though the overall impression is still favorable. It still sits comfortably within the mess that is my personal Star Wars head canon (where even Pink 5 is a reality! ;) ).
My favourite parts of the series were the ones with the Tusken Raiders. I felt they really drove his character forward, while deepening the sand people lore to a great degree. I felt slightly disappointed every time he woke up in his bacta tank to continue the present storyline and I was even more disappointed that he left that part of his recent past behind and did not rouse the remaining tribes to fight the syndicate interlopers towards the end of the series!
I'm basing my Star Wars miniatures and terrain solidly on Tattooine, so every and all addition to the lore and background of the place really gets the creative juices flowing. Well, everything except the not-Gentsuki hover-scooters, because... just no. ;D
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In a series that was really not good from start to finish, I didn't have the misgivings that you all seemed to have. At least this episode had Boba in it! The past two episodes would have been ok somewhere else, but why make whole episodes that don't have the titular character? If anything, I felt like those two episodes robbed me of some time with Boba. But then, he was just a soft-hearted fool the whole show anyway.
From my perspective the good bits were:
1) We got to see Boba not be a ninny for a change. That is a plus.
2) The Rancor (despite being the worst thing that happened to the town that day) was awesome.
3) The super droidekas were cool but kept having these Friday the 13th moments where they kept being right on top of everyone despite being crazy slow. Would have been fun to see something that size roll up in a ball and give proper chase.
4) Fennec was brilliant, but it made me wonder why we didn't start with the "send the assassin to deal with all the trouble" in episode 1. I mean, she clearly was the most lethal of all the characters in the show. Let the lady do her thing!
5) Krrsantan. Despite being shot by a million blasters (each would have been lethal to a stormtrooper as a led or shoulder shot), he manages to hold his own better than the whole crowd of mods. I would suggest targeting mods be next on the list.
The confusing parts:
1) Fennec sniping the mods out of a tough spot, and then hopping down and getting on her speeder bike that was parked like 5 feet from them. But they didn't know she was there? Whoa... that is stealthy! ::)
2) Cad Bane. I mean, we have a fantastic villain and we KILL him? What possible good does that do for the franchise? At least he was a bad guy that knew his role. I liked him calling out Boba for being a wuss. Boba deserved every bit of that and far more. In fact, Boba killing Bane feels as improbable as anything else in the show. I would have rather seen someone off-screen get the drop on Bane while he was getting ready to kill Boba. Boba suddenly rising up to perform Steven Segal levels of melee combat was terrible. Just terrible.
3) Grogu. Good lord, I'm tired of that thing. I was happier when I thought Luke was taking it away forever, but then it was cute and merchandisable and now we will never be rid of it. That said, the Rancor and Grogu sleeping together was cute. But it was the Book of Boba. What should have been a mobster show and what I got was cute animal videos Star Wars style. Just flat-out pandering garbage.
4) If the goal was to protect the city, wouldn't you want to lead the fighting away from the city? Particularly if most of the city had already turned on Boba? Clearly, Boba knew that was coming or he wouldn't have stationed his lackeys in places where someone said they would stay neutral.
5) Freetown had an APC? Man, that seems like it should have been more helpful.
6) Nobody spotted the super Droidekas? I mean, they didn't materialize a block from the last stand. You would think that someone, somewhere, would have noticed when they got dropped planetside. You can't exactly smuggle one of those in a crate of melons.
7) Were Boba's sand people the ONLY sand people in the entire dune sea? All 20 of them, half being children? I feel like there was this completely missed opportunity to have all the other tribes show up to have Boba's back because he was known to be one of them. That would have been far better than the Freetown nobodies in their confusingly acquired APC. Wouldn't it have even made some sense that Boba could have just told the sand people the Pykes wipes out the one camp, and stir up the hornet's nest?
8) Disposing of the Gamorreans in such an undignified way was callous. Poor loyal Gamorreans tossed aside without anyone even asking "Hey, didn't we have a couple of lumpy green pig dudes in our crew? Anyone where those guys are?"
I'm salty because Disney took a character that I loved and turned him into something I'm totally ambivalent about. Still, I think the last episode was the best of the season. Maybe just because I no longer have to sit and wonder if it is ever going to get better or turn into something I care about. All the cards are on the table and there are no more chances for redemption.
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Good points really. I was kinda hoping the Grogu thing would be less of a feature as it felt "done for now" but again its why I suspect it was pulled in to save this season from being 100% meh. Disneys last line of defense.
Also you reminded me about those Super-Droidekas. They were very cool but were ultimately brought down by plot armour :-*. They were pretty much on target when everyone was behind a Vehicle or Afghan strength mud wall but the moment everyone is fleeing in the open their targeting system goes out the window and they keep hitting short by 15 feet. The Free Town mob and the Mods should have been decimated when they fled.
Also ultimately I was really hoping the Mods would just get wiped out.
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Well, if we're talking erroneous tactical decisions, why the hell would you bring a Rankor when you've got a gunship in the form of Slave 1 sitting around gathering dust.
Air superiority anyone?
This questioning in itself is the problem. Obviously it's just Star wars, so realism isn't really the issue, but the best sci fi suspends disbelief, it's entertaining enough, cool enough that you don't care. This happened for me in most of the Mandalorian episodes, Rogue 1 and even in Solo, but in BoBF, I was not drawn in enough, I didn't care enough, I wasn't invested enough, not to ask myself those annoying questions.
Whatever, I'm not going to write a Phd on it, it was an Ok way to spend an hour. I just hope that the bar is set higher for the other stuff that is to come.
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Andrew, I do not agree that Boba comes across as a soft-hearted fool or ninny. I do not consider myself a soft-hearted fool or ninny and the character made several decisions I would have.
No, but I also assume that you were never a hired gun for the mafia, nor hired muscle for an evil dictatorship. Boba was.
Ok, so if you wanted to try and do the redemption story, then give it to me like the Godfather. Have Boba try and go straight, and then when all hell breaks loose let him shine as the black-hearted killer for hire that he is. It isn't uncommon for mafia movies to have that aspect of bad guys trying to make good in the world, but ultimately not being able to tear away from their criminal past. I would have stood behind that.
You, on the other hand, are a good guy reformed into a softer good guy. You are Kindergarten Cop, my friend lol. Nothing wrong with that, but this isn't that story... or it shouldn't have been. I mean, it was but I hoped like heck that it wouldn't be. Kindergarten Cop was at least coherent and the little people were genuinely funny.
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But obviously the palace, with its meters thick walls, would have been a much tougher nut to crack in the case of any assault.
Because even a Jedi Knight had to come up with an incredibly convoluted plan to break in (were they all meant to get captured? Why did Luke hide his lightsaber inside R2D2 - what if Jabba sold him to the Jawas? Why was Lando even there?)
I was hoping at the end that Grogu would pull out his lightsaber, cut off the rancor's head, look to camera and say "How you do it, that is".
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Well, maybe I’m an exception. I thoroughly enjoyed the show. Especially the last couple of episodes. Didn’t feel anything wrong. And the final episode had awesome action and many funny moments in it!
Grogu? Love him. It’s Star Wars. It needs the cute little guys. And he is pretty cool and has Jedi Master power levels. He can lay a Rancor to sleep. Just so. Wow!
Mando. Nice to habe him back. And I love his new ship. Very excited about season 3!
Cad Bane. Awesome bad guy. He got what he deserved. Star Wars has many ways to bring back characters who died, so if there is a need for an evil gunslinger, I’m sure he will turn into a cyborg.
I am more than happy with the show. Not the best Star Wars I have seen, but very enjoyable evening entertainment after the kids are in bed.
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Good man :)
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Good man :)
Seconded :)
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It might not have been perfect (and even then there would have been somebody moan about something) but I'd way rather have had this than another series of Mrs Brown's Boys
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Well, maybe I’m an exception. I thoroughly enjoyed the show. Especially the last couple of episodes. Didn’t feel anything wrong. And the final episode had awesome action and many funny moments in it!
Grogu? Love him. It’s Star Wars. It needs the cute little guys. And he is pretty cool and has Jedi Master power levels. He can lay a Rancor to sleep. Just so. Wow!
Mando. Nice to habe him back. And I love his new ship. Very excited about season 3!
Cad Bane. Awesome bad guy. He got what he deserved. Star Wars has many ways to bring back characters who died, so if there is a need for an evil gunslinger, I’m sure he will turn into a cyborg.
I am more than happy with the show. Not the best Star Wars I have seen, but very enjoyable evening entertainment after the kids are in bed.
I am absolutely with you, great show. It felt like Starwars. In my opinion Robert Rodriguez brought back the real StarWars-Feeling to this Disney-StarWars. After Episode 7 to 9 I was afraid, that the characters would start to sing and dance like Mickey Mouse. But Rodriguez has beaten all this Disney dramatic out of STar Wars.
After this I don't wake up at night after a nightmare, where C3P sang the titlesong from "Frozen"... Thank you, Robert
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Fett struck me to be a bit on the cheaper made side. Some of the locations, acting, and props seemed a little too 'Xena' in places. That said, I still enjoyed it.
Now, I also watched it with my 9 year old son who was bouncing off the couch during each episode. He loved the mods, but he also loves power rangers which ... well, they're very power ranger-ish. He kept saying 'If I don't see him riding the rancor in the last episode, I'm writing a nasty letter to somebody!' Bane showing up lead us to an episode or three of Clone Wars, which has hasn't seen. His biggest disappointment? 'They killed those 2 orcs and they were my favorites! How did they just kill them, and nobody cared! I mean, at least let them chop up some of the other badguys or something!'
Who knew my kid would be a Gamorrean fan? To recap, my 9 year old loved and it and I got to watch Star Wars with my boy, so it was a win in our house.
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Why did the thread get butchered?
What did I miss?
Why did Grumpy Gnome delete all his posts?
Did the entitlement discussion descend into uncouth levels of savage barbarism?
Big brother was obviously not amused.
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Why did the thread get butchered?
What did I miss?
Why did Grumpy Gnome delete all his posts?
Did the entitlement discussion descend into uncouth levels of savage barbarism?
Big brother was obviously not amused.
I removed a couple of posts that veered into personal territory in the hope that the thread would get back into focus. As for Mssr. Gnome's actions, I shall not speculate.
I am well and truly baffled why this always happens with Star Wars threads.
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I deleted my posts because I regret having shared my thoughts here.
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I deleted my posts because I regret having shared my thoughts here.
I'm sorry you felt that way, a sorry indictment for the current state of the LAF.
A point of inflection perhaps.
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A point of inflection perhaps.
Put some antiseptic on, that'll clear it up.
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Oh dear ,thought I was safe when I started it. Mea culpa mea maxima culpa.
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Oh dear ,thought I was safe when I started it. Mea culpa mea maxima culpa.
Don't do it again lol
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lol
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I'll just leave this here....
https://youtu.be/CseVAyj0PsU
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lol
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Man, that's awesome! lol lol
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Yeah! Do it again!!
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Finally finished it. Really enjoyed it overall. Is it perfect? No. Could have it been better? Certainly. As is though I had a fun time.
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I have not read the thread till now, just finished the last episode I liked both the Mandalorian and Boba Fett for fun, I try to ignore the lack of realism in the show. I saw star wars on the opening day and I am still a fan. Things not to be in the star wars universe 1) droids you get little or no respect and are easily killed off 2) stormtroopers how the hell the empire became an empire is beyond me with an army like that, can't shoot, which can add some humor as they showed but makes them useless and when the good guys go up against them there is no suspense you know nothing will happen. Their armor is as useless as they are. One shot one kill, the armor does nothing but impedes them, hell even a stick can smash through it.(as shown) 3) Gamoreian Guards poor pig things have no chance and no one morns them.
Things that bothered me in the last episode, First I am not a military leader, But I know that cover is your friend. the stupid fish people kept standing in the open and even when they had the high ground they would just stand up and get shot, meanwhile the mods and Freetown troopers hide behind a mud wall which stops all shots from the big robot thing, which is also useless and does nothing. The Black Wookie who is cool (and I had to look up his back story not the nicest guy) gets stabbed, beaten, shot numerous times and limps towards Boba Fetts crew bloody and injured so they go out and help him to cover. in the next scene he is running away the the crew and looks fine. How did Boba Fett fly back to the palace get the Rancor and get back that quick so many more. but I still enjoyed it
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It was alright as a series. Definitely more Star Wars than the new films. The episodes with Mando were the best, although his new ship is silly for his chosen profession.
I think Fett was overall, not ruthless enough. For a man Vader singled out, he solved far too few problems with a gun. Oh, and the mods were just silly.
Otherwise it worked. The end battle was very much 'space opera', right down to King Kong climbing a tower angrily swatting at flying things. Great it was not, and weaker than the Mandalorian, but enjoyable with some good characters (enjoyed seeing Cobb Vanth return and Agent May-turned assassin seems to be a riff on John Wayne, only plays one role but you enjoy it).
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Between Mando1 & 2 , Bobba's Book and having rediscovered Blakes 7 on Sat TV I have now enough Stargrave scenario ideas to last me 20 years : : lol
Enjoyed watching all the Bobba episodes especially the last one as the freetown militia arrive on a skimmer I have a 3d print of.
Kind regards from a windswept SW England.
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Well, after watching the finale a few more times it's actually growing on me :)
Still think Ep 5 is my fav though.
Time to get my old Mos Vegas buildings out and re-vamp them lol