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Title: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: Burgundavia on January 05, 2022, 09:47:14 PM
Rest for all animals, two-legged and four. I plan on doing a hybrid 3D printed & foam-stone construction to create a farmhouse and barn/stables. Designed to fit on my existing Sellswords & Spellslingers mat.
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Daeothar on January 05, 2022, 09:52:45 PM
Cool.

What will the division printed/traditional be? just windows and doors, or full on 50/50 or more printed elements?
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 05, 2022, 09:55:19 PM
Some inspiration photos.

I am doing a mixture of 3D printing for the frame with foam stones because nobody has done a good old-stone building for 3D printing. They are all too regular
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 05, 2022, 09:56:44 PM
What will the division printed/traditional be? just windows and doors, or full on 50/50 or more printed elements?

Going to do a 3D printed shell (basically the same way you'd get an MDF kit), then glue stones on that. Then print some windows to put in. If all goes well, not going to see the 3D printed shell at all.
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 05, 2022, 09:57:59 PM
A bit more inspiration
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Daeothar on January 05, 2022, 10:01:42 PM
I will be following this with interest; I've recently dipped my toes into the whole 3D printing pool, and it appears to  be nice and comfy, so I'm keen on seeing more...  :)
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 05, 2022, 10:05:11 PM
I will be following this with interest; I've recently dipped my toes into the whole 3D printing pool, and it appears to  be nice and comfy, so I'm keen on seeing more...  :)

I own dozens of buildings (a fraction of which I've actually printed) and whilte they are fine, I find them a bit too regular for my tastes. The real world isn't very regular, trying to replicate that with the hand-made element over the designed core
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: marianas_gamer on January 05, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Sounds very interesting. I will follow your masonry with great interest.
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Blackwolf on January 05, 2022, 11:15:37 PM
This looks fab :)
Title: Re: Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 06, 2022, 12:00:58 AM
A bit more inspiration, this time a look at Normandy farm houses https://www.christopherlong.co.uk/oth/farmstruct.html

I'm going to do with two or three buildings, not fully sure right now. Likely an open-air (but roofed) stable, with a small closed barn and two-story main house
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: has.been on January 06, 2022, 10:32:27 AM
I especially like the first photograph. I can easily
imagine a skirmish game taking place there.
One side resting (Kings Musketeers, Parliamentarians,
Austrians, Guarde Mobile, Dough Boys, IRA, Panzer
Grenadiers etc.) just before the opposition arrives.
Good luck with the build.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: AKULA on January 06, 2022, 01:06:25 PM
Sounds intriguing ... especially the mix of scratch and 3D. I haven’t got a clue where to start with 3D print ting so I’ll certainly be watching your progress with interest

 :)
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 07, 2022, 01:50:24 AM
So now for the layout of the building. I have a 35"x35" (oops!) mat that I did for Sellswords & Spellslingers (a great cooperative fantasy skirmish game) and I want the house+stables to form a walled compound in the middle, with the lollipop of cobblestones inside. So I need to lay out the building in pieces that will fit in that space, likely with the biggest part, the house, headed down that spit of land near the stream.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 08, 2022, 05:01:32 AM
And to begin!

First up, I took a somewhat-centred-over-my-mat photo (I'm sure the Germans would have a word for that) and then corrected it in the GIMP to be square. I then brought it into FreeCAD and corrected it to 35" by 35"

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51807215534_d6e791b8d3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mW2wf3)Mat in FreeCAD (https://flic.kr/p/2mW2wf3) by Corey Burger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/coreyburger/), on Flickr

As an aside, if you're interested in how I did this mat, I have a thread with that on Workbench here (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=131768.0)

And then I started drawing. I know I want four buildings with some walls in between - the main house, a barn, a stables and a gatehouse. So tossed them onto the mat and then blocked out roughly where I think they should be:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51806970268_b76e790509_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mW1gkj)First layout of the farm (https://flic.kr/p/2mW1gkj) by Corey Burger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/coreyburger/), on Flickr

This is obviously very crude. Once I am roughly happy with the size and location of the buildings, I will actually start building them, using the sketches I have done for this initial stage as the floor.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Codsticker on January 08, 2022, 05:00:29 PM
I think this is going to be quite good. 8)
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 09, 2022, 03:23:30 AM
So did some more blocking out today. I decided to change from a doing a Normandy-style farm with multiple separate buildings to a single large building blending into the stables and gatehouse, more in keeping with older buildings especially from the south of France, Italy and Spain. May end up not keeping the bent main farm house, but it does have a logical terrain reason for it to be there. I also wanted to capture the tower and the low building from the first two inspiration pictures, so added them in.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51808889486_e0f48cdab9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWb6Rh)FreeCAD-SecondLayout (https://flic.kr/p/2mWb6Rh) by Corey Burger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/coreyburger/), on Flickr

What's next? I have to print out the building bases and place them on the mat, put some minis down and see how they might work.

Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: aircav on January 09, 2022, 07:55:46 AM
That’s looking really good, I like the angled part on the main build running into the tower  8)
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Vanvlak on January 09, 2022, 11:50:57 AM
That’s looking really good, I like the angled part on the main build running into the tower  8)
Exactly that. This is going to look great.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 12, 2022, 06:23:28 AM
Spent some time blocking out the facade today. I was hoping to get the main farmhouse footprint cut and on the mat, but the mat needs some TLC because I messed the last thing I did, so it is damp with glue.

So what I discovered is that if I want two staircases down, I am going to need to make the farmhouse bigger. Quite a bit bigger - from ~300mm total length to over ~400mm total length. But with that, I was able to get the two features I really wanted - two staircases - one up to the main farm house and one to the tower.

What you end up with is below - the left side with the large doors (for an indoor stable) is 215mm, while the bent side with the tower is 175mm long. Underneath both staircases you get an entrance to either a storehouse or servants quarters. And above the stable door, a large hayloft door.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables
Post by: Burgundavia on January 13, 2022, 04:26:27 AM
Finally got something physical today - the building footprints! I exported the DXF from FreeCAD and then cut them on my Silhouette Cameo 4.  I wanted to see  what it would look like live. So I did a test cut:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51817626143_b6e093bdf8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWWSXi)Test cut of the main farmhouse (https://flic.kr/p/2mWWSXi) by Corey Burger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/coreyburger/), on Flickr

Once I started blocking out doors and the two staircases, I quickly realized that I don't have enough space, so the house needed to be even bigger, sadly. That scrap of paper is me figuring out just how much bigger I would need to make it. I can already see just how many more bricks I will need to cut.

So I got back to designing and redid the house, plus stables and gatehouse. Which leads me to these two pictures:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51817538663_086e243f03_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWWqX2)First layout of farm house footprint on the real mat (https://flic.kr/p/2mWWqX2) by Corey Burger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/coreyburger/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51816475377_255a685989_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWQYSv)First layout of farm house footprint on the real mat (https://flic.kr/p/2mWQYSv) by Corey Burger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/coreyburger/), on Flickr

This is the same mat (albeit with some medium talc bloom I am dealing with) as I brought into FreeCAD, just in the real version. I added some carts and minis to see what it would look like. Overall, I think I am mostly happy with this cut, but might still take another round at designing.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: tomrommel1 on January 13, 2022, 06:47:12 AM
nice layout
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: Burgundavia on January 25, 2022, 08:19:46 PM
Oh 3D printers. How I love thee and hate thee. So my printer was offline for a month waiting for a new thermistor because I broke the wire. Then I said to the wife "I should have ordered an extra hotend heater cartridge too, in case it breaks". I don't think you will have a hard time guessing what broke the next day. So lots of mental progress, but no actual physical progress.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: Blackwolf on January 26, 2022, 10:23:58 PM
Interesting 8)
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: AKULA on January 28, 2022, 07:13:26 PM
Interesting to watch the planning process  :)
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: Burgundavia on January 31, 2022, 05:26:46 AM
Ok, finally got back to blocking out the farmhouse in a printable fashion. All the walls are now in place, including some of the interior walls (at least on the first floor). None of the doors or windows are done, yet. They will be just be holes in the building and all the details added using foam stones.

It doesn't look like much, but this is about 4 hours work to get to this point:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51854145865_dbd7294220_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n1b3ZF)FreeCAD-BlockedOut (https://flic.kr/p/2n1b3ZF) by Corey Burger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/coreyburger/), on Flickr

Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: Burgundavia on March 01, 2022, 01:38:05 AM
So looks like this is the end - my 3D printer decided to bust itself again today, so won't be able to finish the printing of the building. I will finish this post-contest, but just frustrated.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: Vanvlak on March 01, 2022, 06:08:08 AM
So looks like this is the end - my 3D printer decided to bust itself again today, so won't be able to finish the printing of the building. I will finish this post-contest, but just frustrated.
That's a shame. No hope of getting it fixed on time? I was really liking the way this was turning out.
Title: Re: BSC2022 - Burgundavia's farm with stables (physical draft layout - Jan 12)
Post by: has.been on March 01, 2022, 07:25:56 AM
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I will finish this post-contest,
Please do, I would like to see it finished &
being used in a game.