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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: MiniPigs on January 15, 2022, 07:01:17 PM
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Any costume experts here feel these shepherds are alright for the NWF? Or are they too...Biblical?
https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/CIV13_Arab_Herders--product--5346.html
And for Mad Mullahs, Imams etc...
This seems a little too alien for the Afghans:
https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/MOR01_Ben_Yusef_Imam--product--5598.html
This Brigade Games man seems perfect but too expensive to ship to the UK.
https://www.brigadegames.com/BG-NMO009-Imam_p_4269.html
This 1st Corps figure is billed as a Mullah...but is he? Do I even want to know what he is holding in his left hand?
https://1stcorps.co.uk/product/mullah-and-deity/
This is also a bit weird. Plus, the sculpts seem a little poorly executed. Maybe they're better looking painted?
https://1stcorps.co.uk/product/the-mad-mullah/
There's this set with a Koran waving cleric but I feel he kind of misses the mark:
https://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1135
This is a nice set but the praying figure looks too upmarket for a NWF Mullah.
Similarly, this Frostgrave Eastern magic user seems a bit too theatrical:
https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=7460
I suppose this TAG Kneeling figure might work:
https://theassaultgroup.co.uk/product/taliban-commanders-and-characters/
Mongrel Miniatures does this set but a bit wasteful bc of the modern figures in the set and the fact that, again, the cleric isnt quite right for the NWF; at least not during the 19th century:
https://shop.badgergames.com/product.sc?productId=231&categoryId=73
This Pulp figures cleric is a bit too undressed:
https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=7315
What does everyone here think?
Are there any good 28mm figures invoking Jihad that I've missed?
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I quite like the First Corps Mullah. Here are my Eureka goat herders. They are much more modern.
(http://i.imgur.com/1V3DSkO.jpg) (https://imgur.com/1V3DSkO)
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Mad Guru has excellent painted examples of the 1st Corps ones here
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=131610.45
Most of the others you listed seem too Arabic to me. I am short a mullah or two myself or would offer more examples. But the 1st Corps and the Mad Guru from Pulp Figures are safest bet. You could look at Eureka too for civilians
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My frenemy CAPT SHANKS -- AKA: Gul Akbar Khan -- just beat me to replying, but I won't let that stop me!
First, MiniPigs, I want to thank you for alerting me to the fact that my namesake -- the "Mad Guru" -- is now available for sale at 1st Corps! That IMHO pretty awesome Mark Fuller sculpt was inspired by this period illustration from an 1885 German book that I happened to post here on LAF a while back:
(https://maiwandday.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/image-61-767x1024.png)
The ever-helpful (except to his tabletop opponents!) CAPT SHANKS posted a handy link to some pics of my painted versions, but to save you some time if you're interested, I'm posting one of both the mule-mounted and foot versions here:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k3-qZkhZxn0/YQC7RRhXGiI/AAAAAAAAVv0/RkZkeoxzQEkYFvwX68EdPlhJY4HMyOhCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/IMG_8591.HEIC)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-koMFW0vT8WA/YMpzTzZ3AyI/AAAAAAAAiuo/q7ED6vxuoyINj2UM4CP30TgOqx_2yFSUwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/81A6B1A0-E560-40FF-A53A-B4DB2BF45645.jpeg)
They are highly-stylized sculpts, and of course everyone's taste is different, so I don't begrudge you in any way if the style doesn't work for you, even in a painted version!
Done in a different sculpting style that may be more to your liking, here are a few pics of a potential candidate for your "Goat Herder" from Empress in the Iron Duke Indian Mutiny range:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oBVimVgP3RA/XzoeeqMUQ3I/AAAAAAAAU94/LU0hEZQLiKk5BKXfJ8aRtUNReGPJZZ2pACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_9730.JPG)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhb6D-Si2W7JH3380mVmHT6j84dOGnLCtH9i5QI2KVyhbipaH9sV_Dw7BaPDq9b5tUYfzDYZukQ0SbZ9vHoOjRNZY7whW0MpHwnQPRiDvDw8lPRzMP35pmhsa3KwAJ2AEhpcvVNsFyjT7s3fV7sGldWw25F0EdWyNNpfaHQyBFbQJmluL9mMdBOMdlzNw=s4032)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgr4upL4SVUGb4JWPRANLHcxbx1TrFuKz9eTtaeQuIesqG2vn3Lf8Pgtsj0kLe--4AMaApFWwE0Fmc7i8Pdv_auqlFNK4SR_gSqhY9jMeLDhW4lkAskm-_v4LoBcDuRiXlAZkL0RyjMsVm2zcHGpSimiK6wgMWuAKwXjQCsJ3WpwLgQRJky-Dt4k4AT_A=s4032)
The above is a particular favorite "civilian" casting in my collection, and available in a small pack with another -- more "high energy" -- Indian Driver at this link:
https://www.empressminiatures.com/la6-2-indian-drivers-2121-p.asp (https://www.empressminiatures.com/la6-2-indian-drivers-2121-p.asp)
You can also get him or his colleague together with a cart, in 2 different packs viewable at this link:
https://www.empressminiatures.com/common-to-both-sides-115-c.asp (https://www.empressminiatures.com/common-to-both-sides-115-c.asp)
The one figure from your list that I hadn't seen before was this one from Brigade Games, which I think is a Napoleonic Ottoman Imam, and I agree with you is a nice sculpt:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiSyuF8xRwrqfBO6jYoviuMQlbT-m_RzTSzHZUDMkZqJoDXfNc6tdSDdCiTHvKFdZujvvR5fePoTFjjH5AEGOqVn5R363vtuvv5P26Z9cmaiHFZmutPRbk0HYE2BsrCHVh_v8aWi99Z6G4eimwAbLUKH2fSRE9UfyrSyCW12pUdj3GnRINH-J3a28wBfw=s402)
I now plan to order and use him as yet another Mullah to inspire and lead my Ghazis, so thanks for the heads-up!
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I’ve been using quite a few of the suggestions above but have also dipped into the civilians in the Empress Moderns range https://www.empressminiatures.com/ultra-modern-civillians-108-c.asp
A few usable figures there (except for the motorbike!).
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Much more pictures of Mad Guru's heretic mullahs at this link: https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=131610.45 and following pages. I'm happy he is going to paint another mullah, the more he deploys the more I will use their heads for buzkashi tournament!!! lol
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This Mullah reading Peshwar Tribune is a little masterpiece! lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdGJNFTz/mullah-donkey-peshwar-tirb.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bGJNKgny)
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MiniPigs the herders could be ok but need to replace the sticks.
for The Mullah, my friend Mad Guru has given all the informations, and his Mullah is really epic.
let me say that my Mullah are : an old Connoisseur figures a walking Arab with a book and a stick,
and a Willie Pathan without weapons. sorry no pic at the moment.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7Yp8jJ3Z/20220117-121748.jpg)
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Mad Guru, that is some FANTASTIC looking terrain! WOW! :o
The Mad Mullah and Mule has been out of stock over at 1st Corp for quite some time. Almost 6 months now. Just FYI for anyone wanting one.
https://1stcorps.co.uk/product/the-mad-mullah/
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Bravo Six have u idea when it will be available? ...I was thinking at him for Powinda Mullah lol
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I have no clue giorgio, I was going to send an email to Simon, but never got around to it. lol
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Mad Guru, that is some FANTASTIC looking terrain! WOW! :o
Thanks for the compliment, Bravo Six, it is much appreciated. I try! Apologies in advance to MiniPigs for briefly hijacking this thread, but RE: Afghan/NWF terrain... there is a pending action in the valley of the Shakhot Pass, which after being fought (hopefully in the very near future) should be posted on the nearby "Never Trust Anyone on the Frontier" campaign thread. In addition to the fortress tower near the pass, said valley also contains c.200 A.D. Kushan Buddhist ruins never before seen by outsiders...
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Thanks for the compliment, Bravo Six, it is much appreciated. I try! Apologies in advance to MiniPigs for briefly hijacking this thread, but RE: Afghan/NWF terrain... there is a pending action in the valley of the Shakhot Pass, which after being fought (hopefully in the very near future) should be posted on the nearby "Never Trust Anyone on the Frontier" campaign thread. In addition to the fortress tower near the pass, said valley also contains c.200 A.D. Kushan Buddhist ruins never before seen by outsiders...
Not at all, I am also enjoying the pics. Feel free to continue the hijacking.
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Superbly done! I love the comparison between the engraving and the miniature!
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Thanks, MaleGriffin! But just to reiterate, while I posted the period illustration, the figure itself was solely created by the very talented Mark Fuller, who also happens to be wonderfully decent and generous, and took it upon himself to send me copies of the castings. If you happen to read this thread, THANK YOU AGAIN, Mark!
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Many great suggestions already provided above. May I add this fellow from Perry Miniatures:
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sa-15.jpg)
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/sa15-mounted-armoured-command-one-armoured-emir-one-armoured-army-standard-bearer-and-one-unarmoured-religious-leader/
As for goat herders, or any other denizens of the NWF for that matter, it should be easy to take either the Perry Miniatures or Wargames Atlantic plastic Afghan Warriors and simply assemble them without weapons, or cut away undesired weapons!
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MiniPigs,
Thanks for the glowing review lol
The 1st Corps figures need a little context. They've no real link to NWF in fact they're both in the Follies Pulp range.
I'll agree it's a pretty naff picture of metals. They do colour in far better than the picture would suggest.
As mentioned the mule riding set is a caricture done simply for Mad Guru.Rather than post the green to America at the height of their postal disruptions.( and because other Laffers wanted a copy) I asked if Simon and Mick would put it in a mould.I don't think I've even got a copy ::)
As for the figure in the Altar/ idol set he's holding a mask. As it's part of a range of Pulp cultists. That due to covid ended up being delayed. There's even a Yeti in line with areas mythos.
I've added a couple of pics just to give it context for the mask.
As you can see NWF is not what that the figures are intended for.
The Mad Guru is out of stock because it was run was for Laffers originally. Simon and Mick may spin more off as their production schedules allow. As of today it's served it's purpose. I've no intention to use my free mould space on another mould once this mould gives up the ghost. So love it or loathe it. Like all my other Laffer sculpts .The Mad Guru is a limited production piece.
Hope this helps clarify their context.
As for Actual NWF .I've absolutely no knowledge past watching Cary Grant movies. ( and one of them has a crop duster attack him)So I'm of no help in your quest.
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I've said it once, I'll say it again Mark..... fabulous stuff and can't wait for 1st Corp to get those released. Meantime, I'd be happy to see the Mullah and Mule set come back into stock for my NWF project as the Mullah will be a prominent character. I've send an email query to 1st Corp asking if there's a timeline to re-stock this set for those who are interested in acquiring it.
Thanks Mad Guru for bringing the page to life for the rest of us!!! lol
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Many great suggestions already provided above. May I add this fellow from Perry Miniatures:
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sa-15.jpg)
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/sa15-mounted-armoured-command-one-armoured-emir-one-armoured-army-standard-bearer-and-one-unarmoured-religious-leader/
As for goat herders, or any other denizens of the NWF for that matter, it should be easy to take either the Perry Miniatures or Wargames Atlantic plastic Afghan Warriors and simply assemble them without weapons, or cut away undesired weapons!
That figure from the Perry mounted Sudan command set seems good but what to use the other two men on the barded horses for? Maybe command for a pulp Sultans cuirassiers unit. Hmmm.
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MiniPigs,
Thanks for the glowing review lol
The 1st Corps figures need a little context. They've no real link to NWF in fact they're both in the Follies Pulp range.
I'll agree it's a pretty naff picture of metals. They do colour in far better than the picture would suggest.
As mentioned the mule riding set is a caricture done simply for Mad Guru.Rather than post the green to America at the height of their postal disruptions.( and because other Laffers wanted a copy) I asked if Simon and Mick would put it in a mould.I don't think I've even got a copy ::)
As for the figure in the Altar/ idol set he's holding a mask. As it's part of a range of Pulp cultists. That due to covid ended up being delayed. There's even a Yeti in line with areas mythos.
I've added a couple of pics just to give it context for the mask.
As you can see NWF is not what that the figures are intended for.
The Mad Guru is out of stock because it was run was for Laffers originally. Simon and Mick may spin more off as their production schedules allow. As of today it's served it's purpose. I've no intention to use my free mould space on another mould once this mould gives up the ghost. So love it or loathe it. Like all my other Laffer sculpts .The Mad Guru is a limited production piece.
Hope this helps clarify their context.
As for Actual NWF .I've absolutely no knowledge past watching Cary Grant movies. ( and one of them has a crop duster attack him)So I'm of no help in your quest.
I didnt realize that the sculpts were based on a sort of exaggerated sketch. The 1st Corps photo doesnt help and they do look better painted up. Having said that, I want a set too.
The car with the turbaned side riders is extremely cool. So these are all coming out with other turban wearing minions?
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Short answer Yes,and Yes.
There's a thread over on the Pulp board( I think around August last year.) Where I posted some, buy not all of the my musings for this project .
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That figure from the Perry mounted Sudan command set seems good but what to use the other two men on the barded horses for? Maybe command for a pulp Sultans cuirassiers unit. Hmmm.
I must confess to the same dilemma: the chap on the right has been part of my NWF forces for many years, while the two on barded horses have been sitting in my collection of unpainted figures patiently waiting inclusion somewhere!
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Short answer Yes,and Yes.
There's a thread over on the Pulp board( I think around August last year.) Where I posted some, buy not all of the my musings for this project .
You mean this? https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=132732.0
So it's a little bit Gunga Din, a little bit Temple of Doom and a Little bit The Mummy?
I particularly like the Gunga Din Guru in the back of the car with the blanket over his head. Tell me you did 4 cultists with tommy guns?
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I must confess to the same dilemma: the chap on the right has been part of my NWF forces for many years, while the two on barded horses have been sitting in my collection of unpainted figures patiently waiting inclusion somewhere!
I've been thinking of doing a sort of quasi pulp emir's army and have thought of using the Perry Egyptian cuirassiers as his bodyguard. The men on the Barded Horses could be supremos. Thanks for pointing the mullah out.
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Yes that's the one.
More or less hit the nail on the head,it's a mix of actual regional influences and their adaptation to a cult uniform.
There are some Thompson carrying cultists.
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hey,
Just to put my 2 coins in :
use the Perry plastic afghans like my Mad Guru
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50856646472_207e3d9c20_c_d.jpg)
here depicted as a thug leader for my Gunga Din project.
cheers
Eric
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Mad Guru
In Snooping around your site, I was wondering where this officer in the long poshteen could be bought?
https://maiwandday.blogspot.com/search?q=Afghan&updated-max=2020-08-25T00:59:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=1&by-date=false
Also, are there any metal Afghans that dont blend in with the other makes?
So Far, I have Studio, Artizan, Iron Duke and EMprss Jazz Age. Ive held back from Foundry and Perry bc Ive heard that they are too much smaller?
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For what it’s worth I’ve mixed Perry and Empress quite happily. The foot figures seem fine though I keep the mounted in seperate units. In my opinion Foundry can be a bit more hit and miss but their “tribal” Afghans on foot (I love those figures) normally sit ok, the civilians and mounted less so. That said I find some civilians still look fine (usual arguments about us not all being the same size apply and perhaps more applicable with individual civilians than with whole units). Be warned, the Foundry horses are much smaller.
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MiniPigs,
I'm guessing you're referring to this figure, who serves as my 28mm General Roberts:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hFeRCCE5Ps8/Vfk0PsvEzkI/AAAAAAAAND0/EPZ8jX5UvEw/s1600/photo%2B1-1.JPG)
If that's the case, I'm afraid he is not an off-the-shelf item, but a conversion. The good news is he's a very simple conversion, using a FOUNDRY Franco-Prussian War officer from their PRUSSIAN COMMAND STAFF pack (FPP001) and an Empress spare head from their Anglo-Zulu War range...
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ig3p3y3lSH4/TNZiigPwGII/AAAAAAAAAfs/WwqPoK_pYbQ/s400/photo-63.JPG)
Available here: https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/franco-prussian-war-of-1870-prussians/products/fpp001-prussian-staff-group (https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/franco-prussian-war-of-1870-prussians/products/fpp001-prussian-staff-group)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ig3p3y3lSH4/TNZqtlMW6nI/AAAAAAAAAg0/ZoSPRiJZwus/s1600/photo-64.JPG)
Available here:
https://www.empressminiatures.com/zwa1-heads-1009-p.asp (https://www.empressminiatures.com/zwa1-heads-1009-p.asp)
Combined, with a touch of green-stuff (or any similar modeling material) to fill-in any gaps in the poshteen's fur collar, they made this:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ig3p3y3lSH4/TNZnLxLpb1I/AAAAAAAAAgk/BYSyTs3kCrM/s1600/photo-70.JPG)
As seen below, I also swapped out the head on the Prussian courier figure for a smooth-shaved and much younger-looking Empress foreign service helmet head:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ig3p3y3lSH4/TNZm8leHoEI/AAAAAAAAAgU/uoXW7LKcxOw/s1600/photo-68.JPG)
Hope the above proves useful. Also, in case you're interested, the converted Indian courier in the first pic I posted was a similar conversion, I believe using some other Foundry figure and a head from a figure in their Sikh Wars range.
Re: Wargames Foundry & Perry… I have figures from every company you list and speaking for myself I don’t see any problem at all with size comparability when it comes to Perrys, who make many excellent figures for the Second Afghan War & NWF. It’s true, the old Foundry NWF, Indian Mutiny, etc. late c19th colonial ranges are a bit smaller than most of those other companies, but the difference is minimal enough for me to accept.
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@Mad Guru.
Thanks. I feel like you also used that Foundry French Franco-Prussian war High Command set.
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I did indeed! Back then I was on the lookout for any figure that lent itself to conversion for service with my British, Indian, or Afghan regular army troops. My sources included Wargames Foundry's Sikh Wars, Crimean War, and ACW ranges. This was before before Artizan released their Second Afghan War range and before the Perrys came out with their "Queen Victoria's Little Wars" range. Some of the full unit conversions I did -- such as adding kullahs to the turbans of my Perry Bombay Infantry -- would no longer be necessary today.
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I did indeed! Back then I was on the lookout for any figure that lent itself to conversion for service with my British, Indian, or Afghan regular army troops. My sources included Wargames Foundry's Sikh Wars, Crimean War, and ACW ranges. This was before before Artizan released their Second Afghan War range and before the Perrys came out with their "Queen Victoria's Little Wars" range. Some of the full unit conversions I did -- such as adding kullahs to the turbans of my Perry Bombay Infantry -- would no longer be necessary today.
On a tangential note, do you know what British ammo and weapons crates looked like at the time, how they were painted and labelled and if anyone makes appropriate open/closed ones for 28mm?
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Empress make some ammo crates that are good for 1879 in their Zulu War range (as I recall you get helmets too in that pack). Haven't really studied the evolution of the Victorian ammo crate, but I imagine they'd be good until the Army switched over to Lee-Metfords in 1888, maybe even after.
As far as I know, the crates were the colour of the wood they were made out of. Don't think they painted them (at least not in South Africa, may have been different elsewhere).
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I can only concur with our resident Elder God, Plynkes! I ordered one or two of those same accessory packs from Empress back when they were first released, probably a decade ago.
In the interest of completism here's a link to a page on the Martini Henry Society website with info on the MkV ammunition box, which I believe to be the "ammo crate" in question, and was made of mahogany:
http://www.martinihenry.org/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=106 (http://www.martinihenry.org/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=106)
...and here's a pic from the same page:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEh4L2nBoqZNrIsTYVzhRpDV26cN9O3SKatrq7SYmv1a1Fs9yWtzSDmI14ZPkbCoQofwAB8dVmwm315_zTXDBQABXIJfHqSwPS7jTxn0NcwJVMY9Vbe9cA00ub7GZzYt8M6HMGeACzJunDvlCv2VkQICDgslTT4W77fD19KRW1keQWSRQm30JNwWWsKF8Q=s700)
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This Empress set of boxes, rifles, helmets etc. is a great resource
https://www.empressminiatures.com/zwa5-accessories-including-rifles-1010-p.asp
Aside from this Foundry set, is there another make of Indian/Afghan shields?
https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/products/wp043-indian-warriors-shields?variant=43706165072
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MiniPigs -- the only other source(s) for Dhal shields besides those Foundry ones that I can think of are the Perry "Afghan Tribesmen" and Wargames Atlantic "Afghan Warriors" plastic boxed sets. You might try searching on Etsy, where there are some 3D printed spare shields for 28mm figures.
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MiniPigs -- the only other source(s) for Dhal shields besides those Foundry ones that I can think of are the Perry "Afghan Tribesmen" and Wargames Atlantic "Afghan Warriors" plastic boxed sets. You might try searching on Etsy, where there are some 3D printed spare shields for 28mm figures.
Interesting. When you consider how popular the NWF has recently become, one would think there would be more accessories for it. There aren't even that many flags available.
Have you seen this film? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFP24D15_XM
It's worth it for the landscapes and sets alone.