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Title: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 20, 2022, 07:49:04 AM
Another rabbit hole...
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 20, 2022, 01:35:48 PM
Now three....
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: fred on January 20, 2022, 05:40:45 PM
Are you doing the basic French ones, as well as the German conversions?
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Fitz on January 20, 2022, 07:47:56 PM
Nice work, very nice indeed.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 20, 2022, 08:33:56 PM
Are you doing the basic French ones, as well as the German conversions?

Yep, next
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Helen on January 21, 2022, 07:02:04 AM
Love the German conversions. Lovely work Rich.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: carlos marighela on January 21, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Very nice indeed. If you go down the rabbit hole that is 21 Panzer Div in 1944 you will be there for a very long time.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Captain Blood on January 21, 2022, 08:54:07 AM
Those look excellent. Could do with a couple of those for my Syria / Lebanon Vichy collection (although they were probably never there lol)
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: BeneathALeadMountain on January 21, 2022, 01:17:53 PM
I think these odd little vehicles are the last things I really need for my 21st PD (bar buying more of everything!)

BALM
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Helen on January 21, 2022, 10:39:15 PM
Those look excellent. Could do with a couple of those for my Syria / Lebanon Vichy collection (although they were probably never there lol)

There were at least four in Lebanon (Syria) during the campaign.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 21, 2022, 11:46:56 PM
Fuel trailer done and 38L and trailer nearly done.  Just a few fiddly bits left but it's bedtime!

Going to make the 37 short (two bogies) as a tow (and I think it will be easy...) then see what's next.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Helen on January 22, 2022, 12:00:48 AM
This is lovely. Will look forward to seeing your other variants.

I've Mad Bobs Lorraine which I used for the DAK in Tunisia as an artillery mover.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Captain Blood on January 22, 2022, 11:25:31 AM
There were at least four in Lebanon (Syria) during the campaign.

Interesting. Thanks Helen. Now I have justification!  >:D
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 24, 2022, 08:38:33 PM
A tiny Lorraine 37 before it was stretched to the 37L (Longe)
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 26, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Big Gun + small carrier
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: David H on January 26, 2022, 12:09:15 PM
Is there specialist software for military vehicles?
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 26, 2022, 12:46:04 PM
Not sure what you mean?  This is Fusion 360 CAD, it's a (mostly) parametric so it's good for hard surfaces.

Panzer 1 turreted Lorraine
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: David H on January 26, 2022, 01:55:59 PM
Not sure what you mean?  This is Fusion 360 CAD, it's a (mostly) parametric so it's good for hard surfaces.

Panzer 1 turreted Lorraine

I just wondered if you use a standard CAD package or if someone had designed an addon that allows you to 'build' vehicles from preset forms?

I like the detail on the Pz1 turret - those guns look particularly good, not oversized.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 26, 2022, 02:33:19 PM
They are warlord plastic MG34s... :o
I dropped the turret and snapped mine off...  lol
 Though mine are similar in scale.

These are drafted from a blank sheet with the help of drawings, photos and/or guesswork with the exception of a few common bits like spades and tools which I have a library of I have draw in the past.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Digits on January 26, 2022, 02:36:54 PM
Personally I think you are a genius!   Your detailing is fantastic and these look brilliant.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 26, 2022, 02:40:50 PM
Thanks!

I keep looking at it and it looks messy but it's just lots of rivets!
It did come out very well.  Some tweaks needed to make the detail stand out like the vision slots are too narrow
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: David H on January 26, 2022, 03:00:41 PM
They are warlord plastic MG34s... :o
I dropped the turret and snapped mine off...  lol
 Though mine are similar in scale.

 lol lol lol

Great skills on the design front - it looks great!
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Redmist1122 on January 26, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
Good looking prints!  I know what you mean about going down the rabbit hole...did that with the Pz 1 series R35/40s, and the BT series.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 26, 2022, 07:37:39 PM
Pics or it didn't happen ;D
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 27, 2022, 11:26:09 AM
15cm gun is huge!
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: aircav on January 27, 2022, 02:12:55 PM
These are fantastic  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: David H on January 27, 2022, 02:13:53 PM
That gun is an absolute whopper!
Its an impressive model.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 27, 2022, 02:29:11 PM
Thanks all :D

Family photo so far.

I keep finding variants.  I'm up to 16 so far of which I've completed 7.  A couple are prototypes only so probably not worth it but one of them has a 17pdr...
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: fred on January 27, 2022, 06:52:21 PM
looking good.

The 17pdr variant sounds mad, so should be made!
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 27, 2022, 07:05:03 PM
Sadly I've only found 2 pics.  I'll post them later if I remember
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Poiter50 on January 28, 2022, 12:35:08 AM
Is the HG gun going to get a run?
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Redmist1122 on January 28, 2022, 02:02:18 AM
Pics or it didn't happen ;D

Give me a day to roll out the armor and take a pic or two...
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 28, 2022, 07:03:24 AM
HG?

Is the HG gun going to get a run?
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Poiter50 on January 28, 2022, 08:43:49 AM
Home Guard Smith Gun?
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 28, 2022, 09:06:31 PM
Stand by...
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Poiter50 on January 28, 2022, 11:41:56 PM
 :P :P :P

Stand by...
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 31, 2022, 07:05:34 PM
24 possible variants now...   :o
Really can't cope with doing all of them...  But it is tempting! lol
A few have very dubious provenance: 20mm flak, command version and the one below "mit stuka zu Fuss" and possibly never existed.  Others are just plain ridiculous like the 17pdr version but they did at least build one of them!
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: fred on January 31, 2022, 07:23:58 PM
Looks cool

Seems to be the normal German approach of take a hull and take a gun and join them together. The only thing that seems to have varied is scale, was it a lash-up at a unit workshop or was it a proper factory conversion.

But it does seem you can pretty much take any pair and mate them up!
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on January 31, 2022, 08:36:30 PM
Free French built with MG151 autocannon.  Allegedly saw action in the liberation of France and all were lost.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on February 01, 2022, 04:33:55 PM
The family so far

The free French version just failed for some reason so I'll have to try again.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: carlos marighela on February 01, 2022, 11:50:09 PM
Beautiful collection. :-*
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: fred on February 02, 2022, 07:53:26 AM
Looking great with some paint on!
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on February 02, 2022, 08:09:44 AM
Thanks!  :D

Not finished yet....  got two more fresh off the printer (Free French with 20mm MG151 and 10.5cm Becker conversion)

So far this is the list of versions:

Done so far:
Lorraine 37L
Lorraine 37 (Short Prototype)
Lorraine 38L
Beobachtungswagen
Panzer 1 Turm (Prototype)
15 cm sFH 13/1 (Sf) auf GW
Wurfrahmen 40 (May not have existed)
Free French 20mm Autocannon
10.5cm leFH-18/40 auf GW
Fuel Trailer
APC Trailer

WIP
17 Pdr (Prototype)

To be done:
Generic trailer
Alkett 12.2cm FK(r) auf GW
Alkett 10.5cm
Marder 1
Marder 50mm
Free French Forward MG

Maybe:
Armoured Agricultural Tractor 44
Agricultural Tractor 44
Lorraine 39L (Prototype)

Probably not
20mm AA Gun (May not have existed)
Lorraine 39L Anti Char Rear facing gun (May not have existed)
Command Version (May not have existed)
47mm AntiChar Open (Prototype)
47mm AntiChar Casemate (May not have existed)
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Captain Blood on February 02, 2022, 10:08:00 AM
That’s a great set of schleppers!  8)
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Vanvlak on February 02, 2022, 10:21:48 AM
Superb.  8) 8) 8)
You now need to come up with a term to express what a group of Schleppers all together are called!
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on February 02, 2022, 10:29:57 AM
 lol

I'm now hoping the Alkett 10.5 is an easy conversion as I think it's just the casemate that's different

Once that's done then the 122mm is the Alkett with a new gun.

17pdr is on the back burner as it's harder than I though due to lack of info.

Free French MG version will be a pain of rivets...

Marders will probably follow as it a completely new casemate and guns

Civvi versions bringing up the rear.
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Eclaireur on February 02, 2022, 10:51:51 AM
Nice one Rich - please check your PMs
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on February 02, 2022, 10:59:27 AM
Will do

10.5 Becker and Free French 'Tank' with 20mm
Title: Re: Lorraine Schleppers and friends
Post by: Rich H on February 02, 2022, 10:16:29 PM
Alkett and Becker versions of the 10.5cm