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Title: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Harry Faversham on January 28, 2022, 11:28:48 AM
Any tips from the Brethren on how to shade black beauty? Black horses with grey highlights look a bit naff, in my 'umble opinion. I was wondering if there was a better technique I could employ to get a nice highlight on a 15mm scale black horse?

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Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Citizen Sade on January 28, 2022, 12:06:47 PM
VMC black grey paint & a black wash before adding any socks, blazes etc?
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Major_Gilbear on January 28, 2022, 02:47:10 PM
Try not using actual black and grey for the horses perhaps? I know it sounds a bit like something Father Ted would say, but black horses are not really "black", but rather a very, very, very, very dark colour (brown usually, although sometimes black with some blue added to it can work).

Similarly, highlights should either be very broad with just a hint of lightening, or relatively small and off-white.

A rather advanced painting example can be found here:

https://www.elgrecominiatures.co.uk/pages/painting-a-mounted-figure (https://www.elgrecominiatures.co.uk/pages/painting-a-mounted-figure)

Obviously, for 15mm scale models, I would pare this back to:

1) Add black to either a blue or brown, until it starts to register as "black" at a casual glance. Use this as your base coat.

2) Add a small quantity of the base colour to an ivory or warm light grey, and use this for a few small highlights. Less is more here, as you don't want to lose the effect of the main colour.

Optional) You can smooth any rough highlights with a glaze of the base colour, followed by a few spot-highlights again if required.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Cubs on January 28, 2022, 05:22:24 PM
For 15mm I'd start with a black base then give two highlights with a bluish-grey, with the lightest highlight just on the shoulders, bum and top-facing bits (there's probably better horsey terms for those that I don't know). This is a 28mm hoss I did a while ago for a Zhukov vignette, but it gives an idea of what I mean. You don't need to overdo it with the highlights on horses (which I think I did on the horse's legs below), but just putting a hint of a shine on here and there does give it a glossy coat.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/WWPPZmQPOKVs/1k0.jpg)
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: cgh on January 28, 2022, 06:20:07 PM
Undergrad black, lightly drybrush grey then a heavy blue ink wash.  White markings to taste.  Easiest job ever.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: FramFramson on January 28, 2022, 06:27:14 PM
Zhukov vignette

Er, do you mean Kutuzov? But what's a century here or there... ;)
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Cubs on January 28, 2022, 07:33:11 PM
Er, do you mean Kutuzov? But what's a century here or there... ;)

That's another one of his names.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Blackwolf on January 28, 2022, 08:12:02 PM
Why what colour do you want to paint it?
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Harry Faversham on January 28, 2022, 09:34:32 PM
Thanks chaps, your assistance is most appreciated.
 
:)
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: JollyBob on January 28, 2022, 11:17:10 PM
I'd echo Cubs here, a black base coat, and a highlight with Coat d"Arms Tank Blue-Grey, then a null oil wash and you are golden.

Well, blueish, greyish black at any rate.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Codsticker on February 02, 2022, 06:24:04 AM
VMC black grey paint & a black wash before adding any socks, blazes etc?
Basically my approach except I use ScaleColour Eclipse grey.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Yankeepedlar01 on February 02, 2022, 07:15:39 AM
I use a base of Foundry Prussian Blue shade and a thickish black wash, gives a decent black horse look I’ve found.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Daeothar on February 03, 2022, 10:01:53 AM
Vallejo Model Colour's German Grey is my go to for black surfaces.

It's slightly blueish, and with a black wash over it, it'll work very well as a black surface. If you need it to be more reflective (looking), you can highlight back up to the German Grey, and even all the way up to VMC Luftwaffe Grey, which is also a blueish grey, but lighter.

Quick tip; if you use a dark brown wash over the German Grey, it'll turn all black again, killing the blue undertones...
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Radar on March 03, 2022, 09:44:36 AM
Depends what size your 15mm figures are tbh. True 15mm - quick and easy solution is to base coat not-black (RailMatch weathered black, or Foundry charcoal black), neat black mane & tail, then heavy wash with nuln oil. Then add horsey white bits.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: The Voivod on March 03, 2022, 12:08:43 PM
What has really clicked with me when painting black, these last years is "never make the basecoat pure black". Just very near black, I prefer adding some dark blue in there and adding white to that for highlights. The blue teint must be very subtle.

This will allow you to do some shading and correcting the tone when you overdo the highlight and allows for more depth in the model. You could be very carefull with highlighting offcourse, but I find this is easier.
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: leadboy on March 04, 2022, 08:09:11 AM
The "Gilder method" for black horses is up on the Hereford1938 blog, underpainting
dark blue or purple and then "wiping off" black:

https://hereford1938avbcwtng.blogspot.com/2022/02/painting-28mm-horses.html

Originally from someone (unidentified) of the Grimsby Wargames Club, I think.

Depends how many horses you've got to do, probably!
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 04, 2022, 08:01:42 PM
Originally from someone (unidentified) of the Grimsby Wargames Club, I think.

Grimsby, Grimsby... right bleedin' shower that lot!

 lol
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 05, 2022, 04:54:35 AM
I well remember the Gilder method from years gone by. Herself's got tons of acrylic paints in her crafting stuff...
I can well see General Custer's black horses Troop getting the treatment. Thanks for that old bean!

:)
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: leadboy on March 05, 2022, 11:21:43 AM
No worries HF. And you might be pleased to know that your Perry ACW cavalrymen
have already been beheaded and reheaded, taking their place in the "Red Cavalry"
painting queue!
Title: Re: Painting Black Horses...
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 05, 2022, 06:38:50 PM
Good man, there's no topping a successful beheading!

 :o