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Title: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: greatescapegames on April 01, 2022, 06:49:22 PM
Released April 23rd. The second of 12 sets planned.

https://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/online-store/dead-mans-hand-plastic-gunfighters

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Title: Re: Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: CapnJim on April 01, 2022, 08:53:20 PM
Well, sumbitch!  :o Methinks I'll have to get me some of those! 
Title: Re: Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Cubs on April 02, 2022, 11:13:10 AM
There must be a market for them, or GEG wouldn't have released them. It's a made-up game (aren't they all?) so historical precedence isn't an issue really (although there were some famous women slingin' guns in the west) and you can't pretend the hobby still has the same male-dominated focus as it did 10, 15, 20 years ago.

Don't mean we all have to like 'em or want 'em of course (I don't), any more than with any other new release, but I'm happy for those who have yearned for more female representation in their western games beyond hookers and farmer's wives.

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Title: Re: Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: levied troop on April 02, 2022, 01:26:53 PM
A chance to represent:
Katherine ‘Big Nose’ Haroney
Rose Dunn
‘Black’ Mary Fields
Goldie Griffith
Elenor ‘Madame Mustache’ Dumont
Laura Bullion - the Rose of the Wild Bunch
Peal Hart
Belle Starr
Martha ‘Calamty’ Jane Cannary
Annie ‘Sure Shot’ Oakley
Lillian Smith
amongst others, on the tabletop.

Title: Re: Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: terrement on April 05, 2022, 03:05:02 AM
Cattle Annie and Little Britches

and several silver screeners not historically present.
Title: Re: Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on April 05, 2022, 08:02:33 AM
A chance to represent:
Katherine ‘Big Nose’ Haroney
Rose Dunn
‘Black’ Mary Fields
Goldie Griffith
Elenor ‘Madame Mustache’ Dumont
Laura Bullion - the Rose of the Wild Bunch
Peal Hart
Belle Starr
Martha ‘Calamty’ Jane Cannary
Annie ‘Sure Shot’ Oakley
Lillian Smith
amongst others, on the tabletop.

Yup! I am really pleased to see this set come out.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Bloggard on April 05, 2022, 08:24:20 AM
variety is the spice of life an all' ...

struggling a bit to see why anyone would make the effort to be negative about this really.
Painted samples up thread give the impression of really nice sculpts (although the box art ain't the greatest).
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: carlos marighela on April 05, 2022, 08:38:43 AM
Dunno that they would work for the Belle Stars. Hats seem to be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOJMU6pnGLE

Much as I am in favour of increased gender diversity it does seem an interesting choice from a commercial point of view.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on April 05, 2022, 12:39:14 PM
variety is the spice of life an all' ...

struggling a bit to see why anyone would make the effort to be negative about this really.
Painted samples up thread give the impression of really nice sculpts (although the box art ain't the greatest).

I have to admit I feel the same. Been seeing some negativity in a few places online about this set being of females. I wish that surprised me more rather just disappointing.

The argument that female representation is not profitable really irks me. Especially when Mrs. GG points out how unwelcoming the hobby can feel at times to her.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: CapnJim on April 05, 2022, 04:52:57 PM
Well, I'll get at least one box.  But either it's gonna sell well for them, or it isn't. Then the folks at GEG will know how commercially viable it is/was.  In any event, I hope it sells well enough for them, as I'm looking forward to the rest of their plastic Wild West sets... :D 
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 06, 2022, 09:59:34 AM
My reservations are, the set represents Gunfighters, there weren't that many real bloke Gunfighters, never mind female ones!
In my 'umble opinion, a set of frontier/townswomen would have made more sense commercially?
???
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on April 06, 2022, 11:55:13 AM
I am all for non-combatant minis, gender irrelevant. However it does seem in wargaming that companies tend to make combatant minis more often than non-combatants.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Malamute on April 06, 2022, 12:11:02 PM
I am all for non-combatant minis, gender irrelevant. However it does seem in wargaming that companies tend to make combatant minis more often than non-combatants.

There's one very good reason for that. People will generally buy multiple packs of combatants to create their armies, warbands or whatever you want to call them in game terms which they need to play the game. They will however only buy one or two packs of civilians or not as the case maybe. Civilian miniatures are therefore just not as commercially viable. I agree they are excellent set dressing and have a part to play in some scenarios as plot objectives etc, but if you are trying to make a living out of this industry they are usually the last thing you will decide to sculpt or pay someone to design for you as they will never sell well enough to justify the initial investment.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: TWD on April 06, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
My reservations are, the set represents Gunfighters, there weren't that many real bloke Gunfighters, never mind female ones!
In my 'umble opinion, a set of frontier/townswomen would have made more sense commercially?
???

But the "period" these rules (and most other Cowboy type rules) portray is 'Hollywood Westerns and TV series 1950-present'. :)
Female gunfighters are prevalent in that genre.
So this set is an accurate representation of that.
Very few people are using these (or the other GEG set) for historically accurate (whatever that means) games - they're doing Clint Eastwood and John Wayne and Gary Cooper or Sharon Stone, Drew Barymore or (less likely) Doris Day.

You'll have to remind me though of exactly when Queen Victoria pitched up in a frontier town carrying a shotgun if we're bothered about reality.  lol
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: commanderkaiser on April 06, 2022, 05:02:12 PM
I really like these, I don't think the box art of sprue does them justice. it's only when you see the painted examples you see how great they are.

No complaints from me.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 06, 2022, 09:04:54 PM
You'll have to remind me though of exactly when Queen Victoria pitched up in a frontier town carrying a shotgun if we're bothered about reality.  lol

That's not good Queen Vic, that's Dolores Trollope's sainted Granny. The other Lady with the feather in her bonnet is the founder member of the Dead Man's Gulch Temperance Society!
Using FFofL, townsfolk can be much more than set dressing. Having the Gulchers randomly skedaddling off main street when the lead starts flying, has brought us some of the best moments in our shootouts.

:o


Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: carlos marighela on April 07, 2022, 05:12:45 AM

You'll have to remind me though of exactly when Queen Victoria pitched up in a frontier town carrying a shotgun if we're bothered about reality.  lol

I think that even if you don't accept that the widely held notion that civilisation ends somewhere just north of The Wash and that the frontier lies along Hadrian's Wall, then Balmoral is well beyond it.  I should imagine that Her Majesty broke out the Purdeys there on an annual basis, if only to provide an acceptable rationale for a long ramble with John Brown. ;)

Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: mweaver on April 07, 2022, 06:40:34 PM
Oh, excellent.  I picked up a couple of the first box when it became available, and will do the same for this set.

We play Shadows of Brimstone, Deadlands, and what have you, so the more well-armed females around, the better. 

And the set has a chicken.  Win win!

-Michael

Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: mweaver on April 07, 2022, 06:44:25 PM
Should also have some VSF utility.

-Michael
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: terrement on April 07, 2022, 08:32:25 PM
Dunno that they would work for the Belle Stars. Hats seem to be wrong.

Don't need to.  They can work for the likes of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEz_z7cE_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEz_z7cE_0)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xfFbB2CRo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xfFbB2CRo8)

Fmw3T1k_Eeo (http://Fmw3T1k_Eeo)

https://youtu.be/TegXc0byXOI (https://youtu.be/TegXc0byXOI)

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkyso-LLHdQ[/url

Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: rha.celt on April 07, 2022, 10:04:01 PM
I was more interested in the idea that this is set 2 of twelve
. Anyone know what the other ten are?
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: has.been on April 08, 2022, 10:03:10 AM
Quote
terrement
Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: terrement on April 08, 2022, 04:22:16 PM
I was more interested in the idea that this is set 2 of twelve
. Anyone know what the other ten are?

I don't KNOW but likely suspects would seem to include:
Outlaws with bandanas, bank sacks, etc.
Lawmen
Mexicans
Apache or similar
US Cavalry
Pinkertons
Armed townsfolk
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Elbows on April 08, 2022, 05:02:13 PM
Yep, my assumption is the general DMH gangs + mounted versions for most.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Dubar on June 16, 2022, 04:40:59 PM
I'd like to see some Mexican female banditos too.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: mweaver on June 17, 2022, 10:56:55 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: [COMMERCIAL] Dead Man's Hand Gunfighters II (The Ladies) Plastic Box Set
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on June 18, 2022, 07:33:18 AM
Me too.