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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: Mark Plant on April 08, 2022, 05:55:24 AM
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https://pygmywars.com/rcw/history/articles.html (https://pygmywars.com/rcw/history/articles.html)
All from people who actually fought, which are my preferred sources.
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excellent - many thanks for all the hard work
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Brilliant stuff!
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That's a great resource you have given us Mark, thank you.
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Another great addition to your site Mark. Thanks.
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an amazing set of material there, gold primary evidence, thank you wholeheartedly
Julian
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Thanks for the kind words folks.
I've added some more of the Polish cavalry stories. That's about two-thirds of the book now, the rest being boring or overly nationalistic for my tastes.
This all started because I was trying to find out how often tachankas dismounted to fire. The result is that I have found that:
1) The Poles weren't that fussed about tachankas. They had some from early-1920, but they also kept using pack MGs right to the end of the war. That does suggest that tachankas weren't quite the wonderful weapon you sometimes see them described as. In none of the descriptions are the Poles bothered by Red tachankas, even when fighting the 1st Horse Army.
2) While I still have no idea about how often tachankas dismounted, I have found out that Polish cavalry often dismounted. That came as quite a surprise, because I had assumed that they were like the White cavalry in the south, who fought dismounted rarely, if at all. The Poles seem to have been the RCW army that most kept WWI techniques, so maybe it was because of that.
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I haven't yet read your new Polish entries, but since you have, do you think the Polish tactics reflect that the Poles were on the defensive in the battle of Warsaw? Or do you see them dismounting from the beginning?
I would think that dismounting alot would explain the used of packed MGs instead of Tachankas. Maybe.
The Poles use of WWI cavalry doctrine might result from much of their army having roots in the German, Austrian, and French armies, plus the use of western advisors during the war. It also highlights the eventual
abandonment of the lance as a combat weapon in the 30s, and that the Polish cavalry usually fought dismounted in '39.
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The Polish cavalry definitely dismounted from the beginning and kept it through to the end. Oddly, around the period of the Battle of Warsaw they usually fought mounted, which is why I hadn't realised they dismounted so much.
The Poles tended to keep WWI methods long past they were valid, for the reasons you suggest (I'd forgotten about all the foreign advisors). Their artillery was often ineffective because they tried to set up WWI era communications nets, and by the time they had -- the battle had long since moved on.
One of the reasons for the collapse of the fronts in early 1920 both against Tukhachevski and Budenny was that they kept long thin lines, as if fighting WWI. The units were mostly unaffected though, which is why they were still able to resist after such a long retreat.
But the Poles in front of Warsaw succeeded because they finally realised that their defensive strategies weren't effective (and Pilsudski replaced those who wouldn't learn). Sikorski to the North adopted an attacking strategy from the start. Around Radzymin they were defeated every time they tried to defend a line, and only protected Warsaw by adopting a very aggressive strategy against each incursion into their lines.
I don't know what it was they did to hold Budenny up -- I think that might be my next big project.
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Really interesting stuff and thank you so much for sharing. I’m new to this era so very much in the “read all you can to get a basic knowledge” mode so this is all incredibly interesting and useful.
Out of interest, you mention Polish cavalry retaining WW1 tactics, how did Russian cavalry operate 1914-17? Is there anything I can learn from that?
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As always, outstanding info.
Your nitty gritty research reveals tactical information that simply isn't
present in the "big picture" campaign books by Davies, and even
the newesh Osprey.
Thanks
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Sorry, Sparrow, I really can't comment on WWI -- there will be people here who know much more than me.
My only thoughts are that the changes in Russian Cavalry in the RCW compared to 1914 were presumably because of their experience in that war.
-- The regular cavalry started adopting Cossack formations (in particular the lava).
-- Penetrations behind the lines replaced frontal attacks (Generally with irregulars, like the "Savage Division", during the Great War.)
-- A willingness to increase the firepower of cavalrymen by adding tachankas.
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Cheers - much appreciated
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Brilliant work as always Mark. You have done so much to increase and make accessible the knowledge of this period. Thank you
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A friend persuaded me to run a kriegsspiel game from the drive on Petrograd. It was a theatre I didn't know much about, so I did some reading, found some maps etc before I started.
It turned into another of my three-month projects: https://pygmywars.com/rcw/history/nw_theatre/nwintro.html (https://pygmywars.com/rcw/history/nw_theatre/nwintro.html)
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Thanks for the update Mark but I've noticed over the last couple of days I've been unable to get onto the Pygmy Wars site - do you know if there's any technical hiccups on your end?
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#$*! I had contacted my provider and I thought that was sorted. I can still access it from my home computer, so I tend not to notice it failing elsewhere.
My security certificate is the problem.
Try clearing your cache. That sometimes works.
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No worries it's more than likely a problem on my end, I'll have a go at clearing the cache or just trying it in Safari instead - thanks again for all the work that goes into it mate.
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More excellent work - many thanks for sharing the results of your research
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Cheers Mark Russo Polish war isa period I am keen to expand into I may need to think about dismounted cavalry