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Title: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: flatpack on April 10, 2022, 09:19:08 AM
A few of us have been building up forces in 28mm for Vietnam games.
Yesterday we played our first game.
We used the Empress Bohica rules.

Scenario was, US marines dropped off table then entered, to investigate the local village, as VC had been seen in the area.

Here’s the layout.
US troops will arrive half way along left edge, between the paddy fields and the jungle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PrhVDDVN/85-DBE7-A5-CEA9-4514-9-A28-47-B8-EC1-C7-E1-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PN3MsCjk)

All seems calm before the American arrival, as villagers go about their daily chores.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y9Y8G211/D5-CE025-C-8-BA9-45-EB-B7-C2-E9833898-B62-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hz4VNBZj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nLs3xGrS/17-B1-D77-F-DA6-A-4-B52-84-BD-FA0-F7-F1-F3-C61.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsJ4Y7vq)

So the game begins.
US players have 2 troops of US marines, and a single US marine command unit, totalling 12 figures on the table.
They SLOWLYYYYYY take to the field.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRPYSZGG/6-A6-ED491-B5-FA-493-F-A0-D5-47-BF4-EE08-F4-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/phBqnC49)

With the command unit racing ahead.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xCJhsSLC/50-F145-BE-A7-EA-425-E-AD25-A076-A625-EA52.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQzTXq6d)

A couple of the villagers, leave the fields and wander over to greet the US troops.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Wb6KY8qM/3-B78-BAFC-9-EB4-4-CCA-BE77-6-E5-A72-F8-AEBE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crCXrQmH)

With all 12 American troops now on the table, the VC player springs his trap.
From the jungle edge, VC appear from the spider holes and gun down the US troops, who had no idea they were there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tR68WpXv/41-F99-D50-1-E6-D-4578-9-BD5-19356-C930-A64.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rz8hL6R5)

It’s absolutely chaos as the US troops are cut to pieces, by gunfire and grenades.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xPDyPJJ/CC8-BF432-300-E-4-EDF-8801-2116-D4-AB1-BC6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYfWnjdq)
The officer in charge, being one of the first to fall.

So the Americans decide to get out of there ASAP.
With the VC fading away back into the jungle, the US troops gather up their comrades and medivac out.

Normality  returns to village life.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHFFNDqd/DDEDA7-C4-64-D5-4-B27-B8-BB-2254053-D5-EE9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hj2hJW1S)

The end....for now.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 10, 2022, 10:30:45 AM
Bob, as usual provided wonderful scenery, figures & scoff. Any shortcomings on the
day I put down to the rubbish umpire (Me).  I thought the Americans would have
gotten further, faster.  The VC attack was as deadly as it was quick. 'Game over man!'
Of my carefully drawn up 'Random Events Chart' only used FOUR, & two of them were
blanks.  The Yank team leader was a hard bitten veteran of the war. A lot was expected
of him, but he was the first KIA!!!!! The two Marine fire teams were new 'in Country' &
very worried. Not much was expected of them, but the first the random event had one
team Goofing off (smoking pot) for two moves. Hell we only got four moves in total, then
Marines were dragging bodies back to the LZ.
The VC lost 2 figures (out of 8) KIA, but they removed the bodies before the Yanks could
confirm them.
Definitely a VC win.
Shame we got to use so little of Bob's great set up.
Remember... don't forget to blame the Umpire. :D
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: vodkafan on April 10, 2022, 10:46:32 AM
I am going to bite the bullet and be more critical of the rules. As is, too time consuming, need drastically streamlining.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on April 10, 2022, 04:34:01 PM
As the visiting player I feel slightly embarrassed to have inflicted such a crushing defeat on the US forces on their first outing but tactical brilliance can't be hidden  lol lol

We had a fine time as always but the rules were a considerable disappointment - I think Flatpack is going to round up our comments for the Facebook group so I'll say no more.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 10, 2022, 08:29:12 PM
Some piccies of the game.
34 = Vodkafan's Yanks
35 =  his VC
36 = Two Vietnam Figures. Both sold as 28mm  :o
37 = 'I don't like it Sarge, it's too quiet'
41 = 'Now what do they want?'
42 = 'GRENADE !!!'
43 = It might be a tad too big. What do you think?
44 = Brown stuff meets revolving object...Big time!
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on April 10, 2022, 09:45:02 PM
Well, no wonder the US boys took it in the shorts.  What do you suppose the blast radius was for THAT grenade?   :o

Very nice figs and really nice terrain!  With only 4 turns in, maybe another go at that scenario is in order...

I like BOHICA.  I was concerned about the "completeness = complexity" bit too, and the first few turns in our game (in a shameless plug, see my thread) went slow as we learned the rules.  BUT, as we went through them the pace picked up.  The first 3 turns took twice as long to play as the last 3 turns in our game.  I plan to run our scenario (twice) at a con (Drums at the Rapids, in Perrysburg, OH, USA) May 21, so we'll see how it works in that venue.  Of course, I'll report here on the illustrious LAF!
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 10, 2022, 10:07:39 PM
Looking forward to your report (& pictures?).
There are plans afoot to play the scenario again
in a few weeks time. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on April 11, 2022, 07:31:22 PM
Looking forward to your report (& pictures?).
There are plans afoot to play the scenario again
in a few weeks time. Watch this space.

I do indeed plan to post illustrated AARs.  Stay tuned after May 21!

And looking forward to seeing how that re-fight goes!
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 11, 2022, 08:14:47 PM
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And looking forward to seeing how that re-fight goes!

Surely it HAS to go better for the poor Marines. ;)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: tomrommel1 on April 12, 2022, 08:34:44 AM
Nice table and report. I have to second CapnJim. The rules need a bit time to learn but then they are really nice to play.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Digits on April 12, 2022, 02:02:28 PM
I am going to bite the bullet and be more critical of the rules. As is, too time consuming, need drastically streamlining.

Wasn’t there so couldn’t comment but wouldn’t it be fair to say that of any game the first time of playing?

Maybe chalk this one up to experience and give it a few more airings? 

Was it a prescribed scenario you were playing or one you’d made up?

The table looks bloody great Bob.  I especially thought you’d managed to make it look like it had just rained…….your addition of flock over the top of the shiny mat worked a treat! 

Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on April 12, 2022, 04:24:02 PM
Lets be honest here.
We know we all struggle with a new set of rules, and that happens every time.
I’m sure we can overcome any issues we encounter, and I’m sure a lot of time and effort has been put into them.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on April 12, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
We're all being very polite here, pretty sure the comments on the day weren't quite so constrained  lol lol
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 12, 2022, 08:04:57 PM
Hush lads.
I have been in communication with Paul Eaglestone (the author)
& he is going to listen to any constructive criticism. He knows there
are some typos & I fully accept that a lot of the problems were
down to ME the umpire. I have made Paul aware of questions I
have & suggested some ways I THINK they might be dealt with.
It is however HIS set of rules. Just because I am having difficulty
with my first attempt does NOT mean that I would give up on BOHICA.
Several LAFers have already recommended persevering with them.
They are right in this. When Paul has put me right on some of MY
stumbling blocks I will try again.
I hope this calms down the 'situation' It is, all in all a game of toy soldiers.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on April 13, 2022, 12:29:04 PM
Pete, I don't think you need to own any blame, but hey, whatever.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on April 14, 2022, 09:08:04 PM
No blame needed.  The good Mr. has.been was simply stating his observations, as was I.  As was, I suspect, the others.  No harm, no foul, as they say.  Whoever "they" are....
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 14, 2022, 10:44:31 PM
Thanks Cpt. Jim
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on April 27, 2022, 05:13:06 PM
Just finished another objective for our next Vietnam game.
A downed “Generic” US Army spotter plane.
Crew still on the painting table.

(https://i.postimg.cc/D0Y4p9fg/C674-DD03-B053-49-EB-AD74-853-C14974910.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jnPjLk7w)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gJsZ8wf1/06-FAE1-A3-17-CD-4409-9458-B663-B8534-BD6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0M6jqN5C)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MHGjD6wH/5-ACC141-E-B95-E-459-D-9258-05-C467611-AF5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Fd2RFQ7X)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Digits on April 27, 2022, 05:15:31 PM
Great piece fella.  Looking forward to AAR on that game…..
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on April 27, 2022, 07:07:32 PM
Great looking game!
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on April 27, 2022, 07:11:32 PM
Great piece Bob.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on April 27, 2022, 07:52:03 PM
Cheers chaps.
It was fun to make, as it should be.
Like I said, crew almost finished, as we need a crew to go out there, and recover.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 27, 2022, 09:43:04 PM
Lovely work Bob.
It does remind me of a scene in the film Sahara.
The two heroes see a light plane in similar broken state.
One wonders if it would have a tool kit.
The other says, 'I don't think you'll get it flying'  lol lol lol

If you haven't seen the film, I do recommend it, a very
enjoyable romp. Lots of good ideas for wargames too.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: tomrommel1 on April 28, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
very nice indeed
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on April 29, 2022, 11:24:38 PM
Downed crew now finished.
Only need two of them for this aircraft, so might have to crash more aircraft.  lol lol

(https://i.postimg.cc/J0zY04xQ/405-E7-E24-57-F0-4-BAE-A419-B83-B516535-BB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGTzy7J4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xCY4rPbh/BD6-E3398-D9-BB-493-A-9922-DB7-F4-B8-B5930.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f32KmmCf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/26wXCBQ6/92-C73720-24-E5-405-F-A410-849074161-AFB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PpCM4JFs)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Digits on April 30, 2022, 12:12:40 AM
Would be a bit careless fella! 😕

Crew look great
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on April 30, 2022, 07:19:12 AM
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Crew look great
  Yup.

When I was about seven by big brother, in a temper,
threw the helicopter kit he was building (Airfix Vertrol)
at the wall.
Quote
might have to crash more aircraft.

Just saying if you are fed up with building your Huey... lol lol lol

Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 01, 2022, 08:03:20 AM
Just saying if you are fed up with building your Huey... lol lol lol

I need to open the box and build the Huey, before I can throw it against the wall me thinks.  lol lol
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: tomrommel1 on May 02, 2022, 06:29:01 AM
very nice additions :-*
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on May 03, 2022, 10:20:23 PM
Lovely work there. 

Maybe that's why it went down - carrying around too many guys... :D
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 03, 2022, 10:55:26 PM
Hey, isn’t there a game in that ?
Spotter plane carrying to many downed pilots ?

Just finished my first VC.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fLbP7h1R/31-CB84-D7-DFF5-4545-A318-3-FE5-A6-E917-D8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7CpXDjxF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sxk0RGxM/8326028-F-11-A9-46-FD-9-F4-C-E579-EE713-A99.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHkkCBnN)

And made some VC Bunkers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkRGLvvB/6-E9-F3096-8-EB5-46-B7-B105-5-F48-B49-B5-C2-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2VzsPL94)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mZKbrdFH/95161590-3-FF7-4-B0-C-BB5-F-8879-D8-ADD3-EE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9zt38Ybm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/v84YbRDy/D0464306-A9-CE-4-A24-ADD1-0-C676274-D66-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDdFtNW2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/prh17JWN/A0-AF1-F0-F-31-C8-4-D2-C-86-CF-44538-E28-E542.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5x95m5Q)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KzsHJHyr/EB2261-E7-F58-B-4013-9-C31-B5-C635-D57-DA8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JM4Cwcj)

Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Digits on May 03, 2022, 11:01:29 PM
Nice work Bob.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 03, 2022, 11:38:29 PM
Played 'Mourir Pour L'Indochine' today, high hopes but a bit of a disappointment  :(
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: tomrommel1 on May 04, 2022, 06:32:51 AM
very nice terrain and figures. The bunkers are really nice . Did you use real twigs?
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 04, 2022, 07:20:46 AM
very nice terrain and figures. The bunkers are really nice . Did you use real twigs?

The twigs came from Hobbycraft in the UK.
£1 per bag.
First time of used them, but great to work with.
Might get some more now.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 04, 2022, 07:21:47 AM
Played 'Mourir Pour L'Indochine' today, high hopes but a bit of a disappointment  :(

No good Ian ?
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on May 04, 2022, 12:24:01 PM
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Played 'Mourir Pour L'Indochine' today, high hopes but a bit of a disappointment  :(

Good bits, (what you liked)?   
Bad bits, (what you didn't like)?
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 04, 2022, 07:21:17 PM
has.been/flatpack
A classic case of trying to get too much in and forgetting it's a small unit action.
The not so good side we can discus when we next meet up, on the plus side there were a couple of mechanisms I'm going to utilise for our currents mods to the WWII rules  Dave and I use for Indo China.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on May 07, 2022, 02:15:46 AM
1.  Those VC look good.

2.  Those game photos look good too!  Nice figs and terrain!

C.  As for Mourir Pour L'Indochine, I've been on the fence about bagging a copy.  I may do that now, and see for myself what they're about.  Hmm...
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 07, 2022, 07:57:19 AM
1.  Those VC look good.

2.  Those game photos look good too!  Nice figs and terrain!

C.  As for Mourir Pour L'Indochine, I've been on the fence about bagging a copy.  I may do that now, and see for myself what they're about.  Hmm...

1. Cheers CapnJim.

2. Cheers CapnJim.

C. ? Why C and not 3 ? Lol. Why not drop Westbury a line and he might talk thro any issues, before you buy it ? Just saying...
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 07, 2022, 11:05:10 AM
Happy to discuss rules. I did a fuller 'review' on our blog https://wordpress.com/post/westburywargamers.com/2682
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on May 07, 2022, 04:11:54 PM
1. Cheers CapnJim.

2. Cheers CapnJim.

C. ? Why C and not 3 ? Lol. Why not drop Westbury a line and he might talk thro any issues, before you buy it ? Just saying...

Just having a bit of fun, and seeing who's paying attention... :D

Happy to discuss rules. I did a fuller 'review' on our blog https://wordpress.com/post/westburywargamers.com/2682

Thanks.  I do plan to look at the review on your blog.  I'll be sure to check in with you if/when I have any questions. 
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 11, 2022, 03:07:16 PM
A repeat Indochina game; similar terrain but this time using the ongoing development of our WWII rules for Indo china.
The scenario had a supply column guarded by a Moroccan squad heading up the road to a Foreign Legion outpost; a machine gun team guarded the bridge but the road was probably mined somewhere and Viet Minh local forces were know to be operating in the jungle. The VM were at platoon strength with 1 squad at each of 3 rally points which were also tunnel entrances; primary objective destroy the column, secondary objective overrun the outpost.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 11, 2022, 03:16:26 PM
The initial few turns had the VM moving out through the jungle and taking up positions while the column rolled on and not triggering any mines (so far!)
Just as the last vehicle (the half track) got onto the bridge the fight was initiated by the VM support squad (the one with the lmg's) who oped fire from their position in the jungle opposite the machine gun post. Several Moroccans were downed and one of the machine gun team wounded but their return fire quietened down the VM and the column rolled on.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 11, 2022, 03:27:29 PM
The shoot out between the support squad and the machine team favoured the Legionnaires and the VM were forced into inactivity as wounds were tended which gave the machine gunners time to tend theirs and move the dead body of the gunner out of the way  :'(
From just behind the support team the small HQ element crested the small rise in the ground and let fly with an RPG which disabled the half track and forced those that could to bail out.
Almost immediately afterward the supply truck hit a mine and was left a burning wreck - barbeque mon Amie?
Elsewhere the two VM assault squads were in position, one in jungle just a bit further up the road and another across the river from the outpost; the river position was a bad tactical decision, there were no real targets to line up on and wading the river would reveal them and make them sitting ducks - it would take a while for the penny to drop for the VM commander.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 11, 2022, 03:38:06 PM
Pulling away from the burning truck the Greyhound came parallel to the assault squad in the jungle and a shower of grenades were launched at the armoured car, not all were successful but enough damage was done to halt the vehicle and suppress its crew. On a comedy note, one grenade did bounce back and explode at the feet of the thrower and his mate leaving them badly wounded  lol
The downside to the grenade attack of course was that it revealed the squad to the outpost Legionnaires who started to turn out from the house to close in and the lmg in the watchtower reeked some havoc. After a brief fire fight with the Moroccans who had debussed, which killed the Moroccan sergeant, this squad faded back into the jungle taking most of their wounded with them. 
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 11, 2022, 03:49:04 PM
Back at the bridge the machine gun team was back into action and the assault squad decided to call it a day, they just had too many wounded to be effective.
And really that was about it, the game was essentially played out.
In terms of objectives the VM had certainly achieved the primary objective, the supplies in the truck were destroyed and two other vehicles significantly damaged, the secondary objective was always going to be a stretch so no shame in not achieving it.
In terms of losses the VM lost 5 killed and left 2 wounded behind  :-[ the Moroccans had 3 killed and 1 Legionnaire was killed, both sides had a number of walking wounded.

The rules played well and the mods that we are trialling for the period are so far standing up to the test so good news. 
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on May 11, 2022, 08:28:33 PM
Interesting game Ian.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 12, 2022, 12:00:34 AM
The village grows.

Shot of the buildings used for my first Vietnam game.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bb3pxWgR/18-A1-E941-7715-4-B18-9755-75576-D4796-D4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQn5rNbJ)

Latest building on its way.
(https://i.postimg.cc/c4GKPv53/BA2-F3-B62-D9-A7-4-E5-E-940-E-EC8-BF2-F9-CDDD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Dm5yXwhf)

Intention is to change the roof, and that’s on the way.

Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Digits on May 12, 2022, 12:31:16 AM
Have you had a go at making thatched roofs with synthetic fur?  I ask because I want to try it myself.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on May 12, 2022, 07:25:56 AM
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Have you had a go at making thatched roofs with synthetic fur?  I ask because I want to try it myself.

I have David, also tried; Scouring pads, Terry toweling face cloths & Sisal string.
I liked the Terry Towel method best.  Get dark brown ones, it saves a LOT of paint.
Effectively, once the thinned wood glue has set, you just need to dry brush.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 12, 2022, 08:10:54 AM
Have you had a go at making thatched roofs with synthetic fur?  I ask because I want to try it myself.

David

I’ve been using a foam sheet of material that can be bought at hobbycraft at £1 per sheet.
I bought it in yellow, then fitted it and painted it.
I think it’s effective as a thatch ?
Btw they do it in brown too, so might save a little painting ?

Here are a few shots of it being fitted and trimmed to size.

(https://i.postimg.cc/j5NtqGsY/40-D4-E373-7-D4-B-453-A-ABAA-6-B8-D2-F5-AAE5-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JD19PYDp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XY7jKHg9/20-AAD033-3-ACB-4166-ABCC-E1-D40-BCC6-A59.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhZBMxZS)

Thatch applied.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xdGHKJ5/9006-D6-D3-1-D31-4-F9-B-B26-D-60662-E388294.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w7SZSjRy)

Thatch painted.
(https://i.postimg.cc/j2t0x2gy/41-E24993-A6-B1-4-CA3-8871-A1-AB423-E916-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GsQXHyL)



Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on May 12, 2022, 09:39:38 AM
That does look the business Bob. :-*
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Digits on May 12, 2022, 09:42:36 AM
It’s pretty effective Bob I’ll warrant.   Good find mate.

However I want to try the fur method, I was wondering what length nap on the fur was best.  No worries though.

Pete, your Rowling method sounds interesting, can you send me an image or two please?
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 12, 2022, 10:26:59 AM
Bob, that looks just the job, very effective. We need a couple more buildings so I'll get you to remind me next time we meet up.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on May 12, 2022, 03:52:03 PM
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Pete, your Rowling method sounds interesting, can you send me an image or two please?
Sorry, no can do. The last lot I did, have long since been sold on, &
I didn't save any pictures. :'(
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: robh on May 12, 2022, 11:20:45 PM
Happy to discuss rules. I did a fuller 'review' on our blog https://wordpress.com/post/westburywargamers.com/2682

Very useful and well written review.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on May 13, 2022, 05:26:28 PM
Very interesting battle report.  Well done!

FYI, in case you didn't see it, the May issue of Wargames Illustrated has an article on the Indochina War, covering the 1947 battles in Operation Lea north of Hanoi.  Might be good fodder to use for your WW2 Indochina mods...
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on May 13, 2022, 11:01:22 PM
Cheers for the feedback guys  :)
Just finished reading the Operation Lea article, yes, useful.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: vodkafan on May 14, 2022, 12:30:26 PM
That stuff you are using for the roofs is the Dogs Bollocks Bob, it looks ace.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on May 15, 2022, 09:17:02 AM
That stuff you are using for the roofs is the Dogs Bollocks Bob, it looks ace.

Cheers James.
A bit time consuming as I cover one surface, clamp it down, then come back to it a little later.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam - trench added.
Post by: flatpack on June 05, 2022, 09:41:47 AM
Fancied a trench to defend a VC Village.
Bought a basic one from Warbases at the last Newark show.
Intended to polyfil the sides/ramparts, but them discovered it would weigh a ton, so filled in the sides/ramparts with off cuts of MDF, then skimmed over these with the polyfiler.
This kept the weight and the cost down.
Happy with the finished item, but might add firing steps.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PJzrFXMv/6-F175959-7-C9-A-4-F01-BDC0-2-CDF3823002-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cn5gRVXw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/g0QJxBJj/544494-A5-36-E1-4-B4-C-85-D6-68896-A9-E2-C2-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZK3hL96)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MTBGVbMD/41-D278-A6-7885-4-D02-A4-D6-ECEFF2-F8-F324.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JD1mWXQD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fWxLbChW/A8496-C99-3153-41-F7-B3-AD-6-DC4-FCBCF22-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K48FqnzC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Znh5cB6h/8-CCEA94-B-2-D12-4890-A96-F-0-A59718-ACB59.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q90DNM66)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: has.been on June 05, 2022, 10:42:10 AM
Nice work Bob, and useful for many games other than Viet-Nam.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Westbury on June 05, 2022, 11:06:56 AM
Are trenches allowed in BOHICA  lol  lol
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: flatpack on June 05, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
Are trenches allowed in BOHICA  lol  lol

I’m sure they are.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: CapnJim on June 05, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Yes, BOHICA does indeed make allowances for such works as trenches, etc.  And yours sure look the business.  And, as otherwise mentioned, you will find they prove to be quite versatile.  Well done!
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. More VC finished and ready.
Post by: flatpack on August 20, 2022, 08:00:10 AM
I actually finished off the VC that were lying around, half done.
Only got a couple of choppers left for this project now.

(https://i.postimg.cc/x1bDXnk5/182137-D9-CD16-4-C0-B-B607-410321-A5-BD14.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jsmdgw5H)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WpXPK9LG/B7-A0-E363-7-CDB-4288-8-AE6-33-F2-AFAE9-AB7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWg53yNx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CL2pMzKd/D3-A51-BFB-F2-A2-4-F68-8-E06-00-DC960-CA86-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KRtHJcBy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNrjjQpK/359-A2887-A7-F1-4859-8396-422-C0-A669593.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SjBP6YXr)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Fingers crossed for a game today.
Post by: flatpack on August 20, 2022, 08:03:57 AM
Table laid out for stroll thro the jungle later.
AAR to follow.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RhVxhtfJ/35-CB259-A-3-E47-4070-9933-D9282574-D9-F3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgjb5rFd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cC9ynJM9/A41829-DD-BB2-B-4-B03-B17-D-1018-C0863-EAE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5F6NRSz)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on August 20, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
Loving that table mate! 👍
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: flatpack on August 21, 2022, 09:52:10 AM
So after what seems like the whole of the summer off, we finally got together yesterday for another go at Vietnam.

We pieced together rules and ideas gathered from all over the shop, to get a enjoyable game.

So here we go.

US forces were given this mission briefing .....
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Communist forces were given this mission briefing.....
(https://i.postimg.cc/8sQJMff1/B1-D05-DBF-FD54-4634-A32-F-686768-F6-A748.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

The village of Ba Troi Xanh.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2yJtk2ZH/19-EDB3-F6-B2-D5-4-C72-B7-F1-DEB09-E3-BDAA3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/H8wz3035)

US forces will be choppered into a LZ just off this recon photo, and will march to the village, using the road at the bottom of this photo.
(https://i.postimg.cc/02M3WRTh/24807-FA7-181-D-41-BD-A212-219-F880897-FB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzrjqYMG)

I place my first US unit coming along the road. Nicely spread out.
Only for the second US unit, to come stomping thro my unit to take the lead on the road.
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VC forces appear ahead of the US troops.
“Look out, RPG !”
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Well this shout of “Look out, RPG !”, doesn’t help the first squads commanding officer, as he retires at speed thro my second unit. “Where the hells he going ?” Is muttered by my troops.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kgWHCNXc/8011-C081-1-F51-46-A5-A589-5-DC5-B4623-ADF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnNd7M92)
Actually caused by the worlds worst die roll ...lol

The VC RPG slams into the first unit, causing our first US casually.
One man KIA.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zdZ91tX/0-BC08-F30-9-E2-E-4-B2-A-9978-4-AF3-CC32-E82-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJXkZMdj)

Ok, my second unit spreads itself. We run for cover in the jungle at the side of the road.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CMtrfrR7/D35-DFCA5-53-BB-4-DE2-9175-4-A3-CBE6142-A0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmrP9gd4)

But as we spread out, we trigger a booby trap, causing a serious wound.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bnfhm8c1/A7-DEA62-F-8-F21-4250-AC30-656-C7361-A6-C2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVpSBGQJ)

Things are getting worst for the US forces.

VC appear from the hidden positions, all over the battlefield.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pr906z6K/39-E2-B062-B645-4-DF5-A686-339-C83-A0-BCC4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V08BSr1N)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HnfSDnqR/5318275-A-D3-D5-4-B1-D-AC9-A-73-C0-C635-F13-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5QS584NS)

Our US troops dive deeper into the jungle, chasing VC as they seem to be everywhere.
(https://i.postimg.cc/90qppVDp/8-D2-A053-C-B759-4-CD0-99-C8-3-C7-DCAF00852.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9wCZm6tR)

A second PRG round explodes close to the troops remaining on the road, but luckily this time, it causes no more casualties.
(https://i.postimg.cc/63bjcYY9/574215-BD-3-ECC-43-D4-A690-C1971-E87018-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGgzqN5V)

VC forces are now successfully outflanking our troops.
This don’t look good. Gulp!
(https://i.postimg.cc/JtVQYgJW/B8803-B47-E51-E-446-A-A9-A2-20-A1840-C9-CB2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSCXJ8BH)

Now the VC open up with their bigger kit.
HMG and RPG...not a good combination if you are US troops.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKL94BSs/A74-E5-FF1-7-BD2-4-D64-95-A0-73105-C261-A14.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjkhSv8j)

It was at the point our US forces withdrew to the LZ off table.
We ended up with 3 KIA, and 1 seriously wounded.
Not a good day for the US troops, but a great game.

Maybe next time I’ll have some more support to bring on the table for the yanks ?
Might even build my choppers ?

Many thanks to the lads that took part.

I think I saw VC forces, gathering communist propaganda photos during the battle. Lol





Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: has.been on August 21, 2022, 02:19:51 PM
A very enjoyable game Bob, played in the right spirit.
Here are my few pictures, too busy umpiring to take lots.
981 The Village that the Americans never got near to.
983 Some of the Yanks in the Jungle.
984 & 985 NVA in their element.
986 & 987 Americans coming under heavy fire.
989 NVA off to celebrate their great victory.
982 The victorious PAVN officers.
       In helmet is Thuong Uy (rank) Pham Binh Minh (played by Ian).
       To the left is Trung Uy (rank) Nguyen Van Quyet (James)
       The US players declined the press officer's offer to photograph them lol

        But just to name & shame them they were:-
        1st Lt. Larry F Potts (played by John) and
        2nd Lt. Daniel D Cooper (role taken by our genial host, Bob.)

We had:- Lovely scenery & figures,
               a laugh or two,
               Butties (Bacon & sausage) with Hash browns & lashings of liquids (hot & cold).

Thanks Bob. :)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: flatpack on August 21, 2022, 04:23:43 PM
Sorry about Ian with the hat.
He don’t get out much 😊😝😂
Ian, thanks for joining in with the fun.
Pete, great job umpiring. Couldn’t do it without you (as you have the qrs)
James, thanks for dropping the Saturday shift at the post office.
Some quotes from the game that I wrote down.
“If you say shoot, I’m going to hit you” friendly umpiring. 😝
“It’s all on the quick reference sheet” I wonder who says that ?
Great game, played in the right spirit.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam.
Post by: mikedemana on August 22, 2022, 02:50:58 AM
I am going to bite the bullet and be more critical of the rules. As is, too time consuming, need drastically streamlining.

I have played Bohica once and was very underwhelmed. Any time that everything has to be filtered through the game master, and the players struggle to take care of their own die rolling and resolving actions, means that the rules have some problems. In *MY* opinion. Of course, maybe I was just being a bit thick that day and not picking it up. Everyone has their own "style" of game they like.

For example, I happen to have a buddy who loves Battleground WW II rules. I detest them.  lol  So, to each his own!!

Mike Demana
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: mikedemana on August 22, 2022, 02:51:25 AM
But flat-out gorgeous terrain -- LOVE THAT!  :-*

Mike Demana
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: Westbury on August 22, 2022, 05:31:56 PM
Photos from the nationalist communist players showing the imperialist running dogs tramping around our country and being seen off by the forces of resistance.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: Westbury on August 22, 2022, 05:34:44 PM
It was a fun game and certainly did what was intended and at the size of contact players wanted.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: Dr. Zombie on August 23, 2022, 11:44:37 AM
Outstanding!
Great pictures, great report. The scenery and everything looks amazing.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: CapnJim on August 23, 2022, 06:45:46 PM
Now, that is some lovely terrain!  Nice figs too!

And I was the GM for the game to which mikedemana referred.  Some of the, shall we say, leisurely pace at which the game progressed was likely on me....I had not completely mastered the rules at that time.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: flatpack on August 23, 2022, 08:58:03 PM
Thanks for the nice comments.
It was an entertaining stroll in the jungle.
Spoke with the second US unit commander today.
He says he is still having nightmares about the jungle.
I would guess he would have nightmares about rubbish moral roles on the dice instead. Lol
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: Golgotha on August 26, 2022, 02:58:55 PM
Great looking game - love all the jungle. I clearly need to buy more plants... lol
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: flatpack on August 26, 2022, 10:13:24 PM
Don’t do it...
As you’ll need loads of room to store it. Lol
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: has.been on August 27, 2022, 06:28:36 AM
If you do, 'do it' Golgotha then do it in clumps.
Takes less room to store, but can be:-
a) spread out to cover more table & create pathways, while breaking up line of sight.
b) crowded together to make 'impenetrable' Jungle. Usually along one side of
    the table. Added surprise to the players when 'something' (usually nasty)
    comes out of it during the game.
    ;)
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: has.been on August 27, 2022, 06:29:17 AM
Oops, double posted.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: Digits on August 27, 2022, 07:54:09 AM
Great looking game!  Nice one Bob.
Title: Re: Flatpack’s Vietnam. Page 5 Second game in the jungle.
Post by: flatpack on August 28, 2022, 07:42:01 AM
Cheers David.