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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: GerryB21 on May 15, 2022, 10:54:23 AM

Title: trojan standards
Post by: GerryB21 on May 15, 2022, 10:54:23 AM

Looking for ideas for what to use as standards to go on the top of the standard bearer poles for my Trojan Army ?

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: Bodvoc on May 15, 2022, 01:20:12 PM

A horse?  ;)

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: Tarnegol on May 15, 2022, 04:03:21 PM

Surely an image of Pallas Athena?

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: williamb on May 15, 2022, 04:08:25 PM

Sadly, there is no mention of standards in either the Greek or Trojan armies.   Based on their gods and beliefs the Trojans were very similar to the cities in Greece and may have been settled by them.  There may very well have not been any unit standards for their army as the Greeks did not use any until centuries later.   Their gods who supported Troy were Aphrodite, Apollo, Poseidon, and (for a while) Athena.  So maybe a sun symbol for Apollo, trident for Poseidon, and other emblems associated with them and with Aphrodite and Athena.

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: Citizen Sade on May 15, 2022, 04:16:24 PM

Wasn’t Athena rooting for the other team after losing out to Aphrodite in the golden apple award?

The OP’s Trojans might still want to try an owl standard to placate her though.

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: Inkpaduta on May 15, 2022, 06:00:33 PM

Pretty sure Athena supported the Greeks.

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: williamb on May 16, 2022, 12:44:40 AM

According to Homer Athena started out supporting Troy, but then switched to the Greeks.
http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/homnotes.html

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: NickNascati on May 16, 2022, 01:04:18 AM

I don’t think there would be any standards on either side.  The forces involved were small enough that they would be easily directed by their warlords.  It really wasn’t a large conflict.

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: VonAkers on May 16, 2022, 06:16:25 AM

 GerryB21
Hi Mate
I would use whatever standard you like ...no ones knows what they had .
I like the Horse Standards for Troy .
Cheers

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: Tarnegol on May 16, 2022, 06:37:08 AM

Quote from: Inkpaduta on May 15, 2022, 06:00:33 PM

Pretty sure Athena supported the Greeks.

I'm pretty sure you're right, but I'm not sure that the Trojans realised...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_(classical_antiquity)

Title: Re: trojan standards
Post by: dadlamassu on May 16, 2022, 10:08:04 AM

Like others I have not come across unit or army standards for Troy or the Greek states.  My Greeks do not have standards as such (I was going to say per se but that is Latin).  However, the different City States' contingents do have religious "markers" that act as "standards" or rallying points.  These include:
- Priests and/or priestesses of the deity with a portable shrine
- Priests and/or priestesses of the deity with a wagon, cart or palanquin carrying a sacred item or the Palladion (an item of great antiquity and magic that protects the city - the Horse in the case of Troy?)
- A sacred choir or band (drums, flutes, trumpets etc) - cheering the army on to victory or bolstering flagging morale.

The portable shrines may include one or more vexilla bearing the emblem of the deity.  So if I had Trojans then I'd probably have a high priest, a few choristers and/or a couple of priests or slaves carrying a relic or vexillum.  Many of the figures I use come from fantasy ranges.