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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Malebolgia on May 16, 2022, 11:10:23 AM
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(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we.jpg)
Warzone returns again! Tuesday May 17 the Kickstarter will launch for the latest incarnation of the game. And it's called Warzone Eternal.
In contrast to the last version (Warzone Resurrection) it goes back to its roots and will focus more on the old look and feel from the 90s, but created with modern tools (3D sculpted and printed in Siocast).
The game will begin small at first with about 8-12 models a size for a game. If the game does well enough it will expand and probably also go bigger for people who want bigger games. The Kickstarter will be relatively small, so don't expect any CMON stretch goal bonanza and tons of purchase options. They want to keep it simple and to the point so people can start playing the game and the company can expand from there.
During the Kickstarter the five Megacorporations can bought (Capitol, Bauhaus, Mishima, Imperial and Cybertronic), Algeroth for the Dark Legion and 1 Brotherhood advisor. An actual Brotherhood faction and the other Apostles will follow later...if the game successfully kickstarts.
The factions will first be released in boxes with 5 models that you can assemble as two types (for example: Hatamoto & Shinobi for Mishima) and come with lots of heads and weapons so you get a lot of choice!
The creator Res Nova is passionate about Mutant Chronicles and they went with the game because they love the IP. In several videos I saw Alex Kanous mention certain obscure troops or weapons from his memory, so the guy knows his stuff well. So it's not created by a big company who want to sell the IP and basically rip it apart, but someone who loves it and wants to play games with it.
The game system is created by game veteran Bryan Steele (creator of Dark Age, did Warmachine and several RPGs and I am probably missing some stuff) and he has talked a lot about the game design. It all sounds great! And Bryan is also an oldschool Warzone fan, so he knows the IP well and from what I saw it reflects in the rules.
Here are some images that have been shown in social media by various painters:
Razide (comes with 3 weapon options: Nazgaroth, Ashnagaroth and Hellblaster
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we13.jpg)
(Ashnagaroth)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we12.jpg)
(Nazgaroth)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we6.jpg)
(Hellblaster)
Cybertronic Mirrorman & Chasseur
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we10.jpg)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we9.jpg)
Mishima Hatamoto & Shinobi
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we3.jpeg)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we2.jpg)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we3a.jpg)
(render of the heads included in the set)
Necromutants & Centurion
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we4.jpg)
(with Tormentor flamer)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we8.jpg)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we5.jpg)
Imperial Blood Berets & Golden Lion
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we7.jpg)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we11.jpg)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we14.jpg)
Bauhaus Venusian Ranger
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/we1.jpg)
The Kickstarter link:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/resnova/warzone-eternal
And as you might have gathered from my post, I am very enthusiastic about this Kickstarter. Warzone/Mutant Chronicles is my favourite setting ever and I love the art, theme and games. And from what I read I think this may be the best incarnation yet. It stays true to what the Mutant Chronicles was and is, but has a modern feel to both the design and the rules. And that sounds so cool. So I really hope this project does very well and we get to have a fantastic Warzone game again!
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Right; I was never with it back in the day; Warzone always felt like 40K's anaemic cousin, and the game also never got any traction in the local community. But after painting a couple of the miniatures decades after, I was sort of nostalgically hooked.
I now have the 2nd ed starter box (with the 100 plastic Bauhaus and Imperial troopers), several squads of painted Capitol troopers (as DWAN corporate troops) and a couple of assorted painted single miniatures.
Because of the above reasons, I never actually have played the game, but because I've developed a strong affection for nineties chunky and colourful miniatures, this particular project really speaks to me as well.
I'll probably not pledge on impulse, but I'll mull this one over and I might well be temped after all this time...
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Cool. Love the Rapides. This may need a look in.
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Good luck to them, but do we really need another round of rules and figures?
How about some rules agnostic campaign books or some buildings and vehicles?
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Good luck to them, but do we really need another round of rules and figures?
How about some rules agnostic campaign books or some buildings and vehicles?
Going by what I saw, you can buy the book in the Kickstarter and all stat cards will be available as downloads. So you don't need new miniatures if you want to play with your oldies. I will use the oldies too for sure, but I know I want at least the Cybertronic box, love those models.
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As an old time gamer was intrigued by Warzone right from the beginning but as a modeler and painter first and foremost a little disappointed in the sculpts so never pulled the trigger on it but this small glance of the model line you've given us has me pretty impressed and will be following this with interest. Thanks for the heads up and best of luck on this new venture.
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Given that LAF is, and has been for a decade, my favorite hobby site on the 'net, seeing our project chatted about here has me beaming. I hope folks will check us out, either on the Kickstarter or down the road.
swiftnick - I understand that sentiment and we're definitely trying to create a game that appeals to those who played Warzone "back in the day" and likely still have some models lying around. But, at the same time, we're hoping to introduce a new generation of players to Warzone and so a readily available rulebook and miniatures are a necessity.
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Cool!
It looks like the scale will match the figures from the Mutant Chronicles boardgame, which is great, given that my game group has piles of these guys from that game... (newer version)
Rather than the weird scale of the failed FFG version that came out several years ago.
Any photos of these minis alongside those from the boardgame?
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Really nice...
Much as the latest incarnation had some really goodlooking mini's, over the time I've developed a weak spot of the older aesthetic.
Just so much more characther in those sculpts.
There's plenty of products for me still before I'll need new ones, but I do hope you'll succeed in this endeavor.
Maybe somewhere in the future my resolve will be not quite as strong
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That razide looks amazing!
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And the project is live! After ~18 hours it's almost funded, so it's going very well! I went in with a Skirmish pledge.
I read on Facebook that they will redo the main page to give a better idea of what you get with each box. The sculptor of the Mishima box (Nathan Coutanche) posted an image of the renders he created to show what comes in a box:
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/mishima.jpg)
And Mike from Epic Duck Studios posted a freshly painted Free Marine (with the Southpaw Rocket Launcher)
(https://paintoholic.nl/warzone/freemarine.jpeg)
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These look splendid.
But what I'm really interested in is how they compare to the original 1st and 2nd ed. miniatures.
I'd like to insert some of the Capitol minis into my existing force, but for that to happen, they'd have to be at least marginally compatible...
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And alas, it has been canceled. Bit of a shame, but it makes sense. It started off a bit shaky and was missing good pictures, components, a battle report, quick play rules, etc. And I think the main complaint was that the miniatures weren't cheap. So it's probably best for Res Nova to take a step back and re-evaluate how to approach the launch better. I can't wait though, I really want to play Warzone Eternal. It sounded fantastic and the miniatures are up my alley.
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From their last update.....
.."But it's no closely guarded secret that Kickstarter funding goals rarely reflect the full total necessary to make a campaign a success. It's a gamble that unfortunately has become a part of working through Kickstarter."....
ie; they deliberately set an unrealistic funding goal so they could make it look good and ride the wave of stretch goals to where they actually needed to be.
Then they basically told existing Warzone fans and players to "eff off" by refusing to release beta rules and stat cards for use with the models they already own.
Don't use our figures well you can't play our game then.
Seems to me they got what they deserved for the way they have approached this.
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From their last update.....
.."But it's no closely guarded secret that Kickstarter funding goals rarely reflect the full total necessary to make a campaign a success. It's a gamble that unfortunately has become a part of working through Kickstarter."....
ie; they deliberately set an unrealistic funding goal so they could make it look good and ride the wave of stretch goals to where they actually needed to be.
Then they basically told existing Warzone fans and players to "eff off" by refusing to release beta rules and stat cards for use with the models they already own.
Don't use our figures well you can't play our game then.
Seems to me they got what they deserved for the way they have approached this.
The way Kickstarters work, especially for tabletop games these days, if they don't grow steadily day over day starting from day one, they tend to sputter out and fail. If they make the goal too high, then it never gets funded anyway.
It's one reason I'm not a fan of Kickstarter, at least not for games. So much of it is based entirely on hype, rather than anything real.
They already said they weren't looking to do tons of stretch goals. They offered a couple because of the great start. I actually think they should use a different platform from Kickstarter, but KS has the most visibility.
They did not tell players today "eff off" about anything, and the reality of what happened is enough of a downer without you presenting what is, at best, a highly skewed opinion, and, at worst, untruth.
I'm really unhappy with some of the Warzone community right now. This was the first hobby-related thing I've been excited about in a long time, and you ultra-negative lot decided to sink it because it wasn't exactly what you wanted.
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A bit of a shame especially as I thought it was almost funded.
Was happy to buy a new set of rules but I did think the figures were quite expensive.
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I was hoping to see more of that Razide. Here's hoping the next go at it will be better.
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The way Kickstarters work, especially for tabletop games these days, if they don't grow steadily day over day starting from day one, they tend to sputter out and fail. If they make the goal too high, then it never gets funded anyway.
It's one reason I'm not a fan of Kickstarter, at least not for games. So much of it is based entirely on hype, rather than anything real.
They already said they weren't looking to do tons of stretch goals. They offered a couple because of the great start. I actually think they should use a different platform from Kickstarter, but KS has the most visibility.
They did not tell players today "eff off" about anything, and the reality of what happened is enough of a downer without you presenting what is, at best, a highly skewed opinion, and, at worst, untruth.
I'm really unhappy with some of the Warzone community right now. This was the first hobby-related thing I've been excited about in a long time, and you ultra-negative lot decided to sink it because it wasn't exactly what you wanted.
I agree with you, but I'd phrase it differently ;). Especially the last part...the Warzone community is extremely vocal and has a strong opinion on how a new edition should be created and voice their disagreement when it's going in a different direction. I've seen so many terrible reactions on Facebook. It's saddening. In the end we all want a new game that thrives and is fun to play. So sad to see so many people screaming doom all the time without them even knowing how the game will exactly play.
Apart from how the Kickstarter went I think in general the way Res Nova approaches the launch seems very good. Slow and steady and not with a Kickstarter filled to the brink with add-ons or stretch goals. Seems better than the ones overpromising lots of stuff and extras. And yes, if a Kickstarter stalls and starts to go down again after a week, it often loses too much momentum, backers pull back and the project doesn't fund in the end. And I think it's not what you want for a new game to launch. So taking a step back, evaluating, checking what players want and then looking how to proceed again seems like a wise choice. But still, I hope some Warzone players will be less grumpy.
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I agree with you, but I'd phrase it differently ;). Especially the last part
Yes, I was a bit harsh there. Not for the first time ::)
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I apologize if I came off hostile about this. I was really excited and seeing the project get canceled the way it did was something of a last straw for me.
I'm hoping that when they relaunch they can have one or two game-in-a-box options. While I realize that none of the returning veterans would need them, having a "this will let two people play a full game" pledges ready to go would be helpful in drawing new players.
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Although the Kickstarter failed and was canceled, Rez Nova is still working on a rerelease. They listened to the feedback and they posted new information and a new picture on their Facebook group:
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State of Warzone Eternal
Hey folks,
As mentioned last week, I wanted to touch base to break our long spell of silence and give you all a look at what we've been up to over the last eight months. Things may have been very quiet around here, but Res Nova has been busy. But before I dive into those details, I wanted to address the question for which I'm sure most of you are awaiting the answer . . .
Kickstarter
We will be launching the Kickstarter this May, with the specific date to be revealed later. Our initial plan was for a slightly earlier launch, to coincide with Adepticon (more on that later), but the announcement of a new Kickstarter campaign for that same weekend by one of the big brands in the miniatures industry, as well as the realization that we should use as much opportunity as we have to get our campaign in order, suggested a slight delay. As we get closer, additional details will be released.
Res Nova Expanding
A few months ago we announced that Richard Ankney had joined Res Nova to help us with our social media and community outreach goals. As we begin to re-engage the community you can expect to see much more from him and we've already got a list of activities planned.
Additionally, Jake Oz Krajeski has joined Res Nova to alleviate some of the operational burdens of launching a miniatures game. Jake's a miniatures industry veteran who brings a deep understanding of the hobby and its community.
We're excited to have both of them on board, and I'm hoping they're contributions mean at least slightly fewer late work nights for me.
Conventions
As part of the ramp-up to the Kickstarter launch, Res Nova will have a presence at a few upcoming shows.
First, from March 22-26, Res Nova will be at Adepticon in Chicago. This is by far the favorite miniatures convention of all of us at Res Nova, and we're excited to bring Warzone to that audience. We'll be exhibiting (booth numbers are unfortunately not yet released) all weekend, running demos of Warzone Eternal at our booth and showing off a slew of prototype models. We should have some swag available at the booth as well. If you'll be in the Windy City over this weekend, pop on over and say hi.
Rick will be enjoying an extended stay in Chi-town as, the very next weekend, he'll be manning the Paint and Take booth at C2E2, one of the premier comics conventions in the US. While supplies last, he'll have available one of our WZE prototypes for participants to slap paint on. If that happens to be one of you, be sure to post to the group!
Warzone Eternal Development
While I think all of the above is exciting news, I realize that most of you want to know what we've been working on in regards to the game itself, as well as the miniatures range. Well, it's been a lot . . .
Revised Sculpts - We were not happy with several of the units in the first Kickstarter, and we know some of you weren't either. So we've taken this time to address those concerns, and almost every model in the range has been revised to some degree. We heard that people wanted more dynamic poses and not everyone felt the modular approach of our first pass was appealing.
So the first goal was to rebuild the models that we liked into figures with a level of action in their poses and a detail that's hard, if not impossible, to achieve in a kit intended to allow the modular construction of models. By eliminating the need for modularity, this also meant we could introduce some of the minor unit distinguishing details that didn't exist in our first sets - such as the variations in the Imperial Blood Beret and Golden Lion pauldrons.
Brand New Sculpts - For some units, however, we decided that slight revisions weren't enough and decided to use this extra time to go back to the (digital) sculpting table and take a new crack at the sculpts. So, several of our units, such as the Venusian Ranger shown here - NOW WITH CLOAKS! - will have brand new models.
But we didn't stop there, and decided to add a third unit to each of our Kickstarter factions. We'll reveal what those are later, but we think folks are going to be pleased.
New Faction - In addition to revised sculpts, resculpts, and brand new unit sculpts, we figured we might as well sculpt an entirely new faction for this Kickstarter as well. We're thus happy to announce that Brotherhood will be joining the Kickstarter this time around. SOME of you have been very vocal about your disappointment that the Cardinal's holy warriors weren't in the first campaign, and we get it. Having the additional time to get these folks into the campaign was an unexpected benefit of choosing to cancel the first Kickstarter.
Rules & Other Development - It hasn't been all sculpting work though. Rules development has continued (we had a third unit for each faction and a brand new faction to test) and I just pushed out a new playtest packet to our playtester group today. Playtesting will likely run up to, and past the Kickstarter, so that we can be sure to have as tight of a system as possible.
More fiction and new artwork has been commissioned, and we're eager to get to show that stuff off to you as part of our efforts to re-introduce the Mutant Chronicles world to miniatures gamers.
So, all-in-all, it's been a lot of work, but we think it's created a much better product. As noted above, more details will emerge as we get closer to the Kickstarter date. In the meantime, make sure you follow us on our various social media channels so you can keep tabs on what we're up to.
Talk to you soon,
Alex
And somebody asked them why the Panzerknacker (the assault rifle) only has two barrels and not three like the oldschool art always showed. And the response by Rez Nova shows how deep they are into the lore. Love it!
The removal of the bottom barrel was intentional. The AG-17, unlike many of the other corp rifles, has a detachable grenade launcher. As we didn't intend to give every model in the squad access to grenade launchers due to game balance considerations, we opted to also remove them on the models so they better reflected the rules.
Expect the underslung GL option to return for various unit specialists down the road though.