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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Doug ex-em4 on June 29, 2022, 09:44:21 PM

Title: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on June 29, 2022, 09:44:21 PM
I’m sure I’ve seen a figure of this stereotypical Darkest Africa theme but I can’t remember who made it. Can anyone help?

Doug
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: carlos marighela on June 29, 2022, 09:54:02 PM
Presumably a manufacturer whose sense of humour was stuck firmly in the ‘Carry On’ era and for whom casual racism, depicting Africans as savage cannibals, was not an issue. Maybe look for firms that were around in the 1970s/ ‘80s? Should be easy to find, it will be the range with grotesquely large lips and bones in the noses.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: FinnN on June 29, 2022, 10:03:39 PM
Perhaps this guy from Antediluvian Miniatures Lost World range?

(https://antediluvianminiatures.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/45161940_2093314320981598_5786907160738791424_n.jpg)

https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/shop-lost-world-range/

I’m sure there’ll be others out there.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: italwars on June 29, 2022, 10:26:41 PM
Presumably a manufacturer whose sense of humour was stuck firmly in the ‘Carry On’ era and for whom casual racism,
Pleeease ...pleease CM could you save us this out of place, sanctimonious sermon ?  :o o_o o_o :o..are you aware that is summer ..is very hot and we are in a hobby and wargame related amusing  forum and that  we are simply talking about lead toy miniatures? ..
By the way is untrue that you have to look only for 1970's or vintage type  castings...Old Glory makes one  in their Darkest Africa Range and another one in their Pirate Range..see "captured pirates"...said that, as i did'nt need to buy a full set from USA, i planned to do my "STEREOTYPICAL"  set with just a plastic miniature pot that you can easily find at boot markets among crates of toys remains and an explorer minis cut at waist height.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Poiter50 on June 30, 2022, 12:38:20 AM
 :) :) :) :) :)

Pleeease ...pleease CM could you save us this out of place, sanctimonious sermon ?  :o o_o o_o :o..are you aware that is summer ..is very hot and we are in a hobby and wargame related amusing  forum and that  we are simply talking about lead toy miniatures? ..
By the way is untrue that you have to look only for 1970's or vintage type  castings...Old Glory makes one  in their Darkest Africa Range and another one in their Pirate Range..see "captured pirates"...said that, as i did'nt need to buy a full set from USA, i planned to do my "STEREOTYPICAL"  set with just a plastic miniature pot that you can easily find at boot markets among crates of toys remains and an explorer minis cut at waist height.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: MaleGriffin on June 30, 2022, 12:44:40 AM
Masterful brushwork on the figure in the pot!
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Michi on June 30, 2022, 11:57:18 AM
I made one of my own. The pot is a papermaché ball, body of a native warrior, head with helmet from some colonial:

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T177blAO5nM/XmTujdTZolI/AAAAAAAAKq4/vNTu4HPScQIxISn8eToM3_46x3HyO47XwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_4242.JPG)
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: has.been on June 30, 2022, 01:37:05 PM
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Cris Nicolotti sings it so much better than I can.
I just love Google translate for moments like this. lol
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Plynkes on June 30, 2022, 01:48:17 PM
That was a step too far. If you can't keep it civil then do not post. Both sides have said their piece, any more of this sort of thing and the topic will be locked.





Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Orctrader on June 30, 2022, 03:26:28 PM
Perhaps this guy from Antediluvian Miniatures Lost World range?

(https://antediluvianminiatures.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/45161940_2093314320981598_5786907160738791424_n.jpg)

https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/shop-lost-world-range/


Brilliant.  I must get him.  Great figure and painting.  That look of utter disdain is priceless.  :)

I made one of my own. The pot is a papermaché ball, body of a native warrior, head with helmet from some colonial:

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T177blAO5nM/XmTujdTZolI/AAAAAAAAKq4/vNTu4HPScQIxISn8eToM3_46x3HyO47XwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_4242.JPG)

Excellent.   :) 
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on July 01, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
Thanks for the helpful replies - the Antediluvian one is the one I was remembering, although Michi’s is excellent and I may go that route.

Doug
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Golgotha on July 01, 2022, 03:05:28 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_cannibalism
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: carlos marighela on July 01, 2022, 11:33:04 PM
Indeed. The recorded examples of cannibalism in Africa are few and almost certainly on par with the rest of the world. As a cultural practice it’s even rarer, just as it elsewhere in the world.

The white man in the cooking pot is a racist trope. It’s intention, thinking or otherwise, and most certainly its effect is to depict Africans as savage beasts. File along with depictions of people of African descent eating water melons, blacking boots etc, etc.

Why anyone would want to persist with this depiction is beyond me. You know if the entertainment world can give up ‘black face’, corporation's can give up flogging food with depictions of black ‘mammies’ on the label and most reasonable people have stopped using racist invective, I’m pretty sure it won’t hurt the odd wargamer to think about the trope. It’s not even a funny gag, it wasn’t even in the day of Bob Hope.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Plynkes on July 02, 2022, 08:55:12 AM
Okay, the point has been more than well-made at this point. Let's drop it now please. However you may feel about this topic, it isn't against the forum rules, but turning it into a political discussion is.









Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on July 02, 2022, 09:23:13 AM
Okay, the point has been more than well-made at this point. Let's drop it now please. However you may feel about this topic, it isn't against the forum rules, but turning it into a political discussion is.

Fair enough although the desire to reply is strong. We’ll allow CM the last word on this - it’s obviously very important to him to broadcast his views.

Doug
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: carlos marighela on July 02, 2022, 10:41:01 AM
By all means reply by PM. No need to confine yourself to the snide and passive aggressive there old boy.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on July 02, 2022, 12:09:32 PM
By all means reply by PM. No need to confine yourself to the snide and passive aggressive there old boy.
Have a great weekend.

Doug
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Goliad on July 02, 2022, 06:14:54 PM
Some great painting on display but don't like any of the miniatures for historicity etc reasons and consideration of how I want to represent my hobbying.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Plynkes on July 02, 2022, 10:16:55 PM
As the main protagonists of this nonsense can't rein in their desire to have the last word let me make it plain: If you want to discuss the rights and wrongs of Doug's request, go and do it somewhere else. This isn't the place.

Further posts debating this matter and/or taunting the other side will be removed just as the last one was.





Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: Inkpaduta on July 03, 2022, 02:51:51 AM
Can we just stick to talking about wargaming? Everyone has different interests.
No need for getting all upset. No one is going to solve all the world's problems
here. Can't people just let things go.
Title: Re: Explorer in Cooking Pot
Post by: has.been on July 03, 2022, 10:06:42 AM
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Can we just stick to talking about wargaming? Everyone has different interests.
No need for getting all upset. No one is going to solve all the world's problems
here. Can't people just let things go.

Hear, Hear!  :)