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Title: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 01, 2022, 03:21:36 PM
This is one I’m really looking forward to  8)

 https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw (https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw)

Looks to be an expansive budget, some good actors, some great visual transitions between the originals and the prequels and more importantly, so much gaming potential  :D

Let’s try and keep it focussed on the series itself and gaming if we can  ;)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Vanvlak on August 01, 2022, 07:06:21 PM
It does look good. Especially the iconic scrapyard scene, and that flying gantry spaceship whatever thing which I want a closer look at!
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: ithoriel on August 01, 2022, 07:32:34 PM
It looks brilliant ... but I doubt I'll ever see more than the trailer since it's on Disney+
I despair at the fragmentation of the movie industry. These things deserve to be seen on a big screen with excellent sound systems ... and popcorn. Not watched on a phone or laptop.
</dinosaur mode>
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: has.been on August 01, 2022, 08:17:07 PM
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It looks brilliant ... but I doubt I'll ever see more than the trailer since it's on Disney+
I despair at the fragmentation of the movie industry. These things deserve to be seen on a big screen with excellent sound systems ... and popcorn. Not watched on a phone or laptop.
</dinosaur mode>

That goes for me too. :(
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: sasori on August 01, 2022, 11:39:53 PM
SAW muthaflippin' GERRERA!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAaaaaAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
YEAH BABY Yeah!.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Blackwolf on August 02, 2022, 02:55:32 AM
Oh yes!
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Muzfish4 on August 02, 2022, 12:08:04 PM
Looks very promising.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: NurgleHH on August 02, 2022, 12:12:30 PM
is it the prelude to "Rogue One"? Looks very good.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: blacksoilbill on August 02, 2022, 12:51:41 PM
That does look good. I thought the first half of Rogue One was the best Star Wars thing for ages, so if this is more of that it'll be fantastic.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Maniac on August 03, 2022, 02:19:00 AM
It looks okay, but I fear will suffer from the same problem as Boba Fett and Obi Wan.  Established characters with known arcs as the main leading to lack luster plots.

The Mandalorian works precisely because they are all new characters, and the legacy characters only show up for cameos in ways that don't affect their overall story arc. 

Here's hoping it doesn't suffer from it's inability to kill anyone (Cobb, Inquisitor A+B, Fennec Shand, Fett, etc)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: eilif on August 03, 2022, 03:59:40 AM
Very much looking forward to this. There's allot of potential here to do Mando-like exploration of a non-central character's adventures.

My standard for new SW is simply that it as long as it's better than the 3 prequel films then I'm just happy to be back in that universe.   Keeps my expectations realistic so that in addition to being impressed by Mando and Rogue 1, I can enjoy average offerings like solo and Obi Wan and even drive derive pleasure from flawed installments like episodes 7-9 and Boba Fett.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: beefcake on August 04, 2022, 09:15:49 AM
Looking forward to this. Start of the rebellion.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Littlearmies on August 04, 2022, 09:46:52 AM
It looks okay, but I fear will suffer from the same problem as Boba Fett and Obi Wan.  Established characters with known arcs as the main leading to lack luster plots.

The Mandalorian works precisely because they are all new characters, and the legacy characters only show up for cameos in ways that don't affect their overall story arc. 

Here's hoping it doesn't suffer from it's inability to kill anyone (Cobb, Inquisitor A+B, Fennec Shand, Fett, etc)

I thought the big problem with Boba Fett was that you had a clueless OAP in the title role - one of the few series I've seen where the best bits were those without the lead character. I thought the Mandalorian worked because it just followed the "Clint in space" vibe, and you didn't need good acting when the lead character was wearing a suit of armour for 95% of the show. Star Wars had a brilliant vision of the future in terms of set design and visuals - it just needs someone who can add good plot, dialogue and acting to the mix.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: tomrommel1 on August 04, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
looks promissing
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: eilif on August 04, 2022, 05:21:17 PM
I thought the big problem with Boba Fett was that you had a clueless OAP in the title role - one of the few series I've seen where the best bits were those without the lead character. I thought the Mandalorian worked because it just followed the "Clint in space" vibe, and you didn't need good acting when the lead character was wearing a suit of armour for 95% of the show. Star Wars had a brilliant vision of the future in terms of set design and visuals - it just needs someone who can add good plot, dialogue and acting to the mix.
What's an OAP?
My biggest issue (besides the shiny bikers) was that Fett talked so much, going against one of the most iconic aspects of the character.  I read somewhere that  Temura felt the same way.  I would have much preferred less talking more nuance from writers and directors who trusted their viewers.

I prefer small stories without galaxy spanning implications told well and I don't mind at all if they're somewhat derivative  Mando nailed that while hitting every western trope in just the right way.  Fett could have been the same with gangster tropes but fell a bit flat. 

Andor could pull a Mando with spy tropes. Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: has.been on August 04, 2022, 05:23:57 PM
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What's an OAP?

Old Aged Pensioner  (UK speak) :D
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Littlearmies on August 05, 2022, 09:20:24 AM
What's an OAP?
My biggest issue (besides the shiny bikers) was that Fett talked so much, going against one of the most iconic aspects of the character.  I read somewhere that Temura felt the same way.  I would have much preferred less talking more nuance from writers and directors who trusted their viewers.

I prefer small stories without galaxy spanning implications told well and I don't mind at all if they're somewhat derivative  Mando nailed that while hitting every western trope in just the right way.  Fett could have been the same with gangster tropes but fell a bit flat. 

Andor could pull a Mando with spy tropes. Fingers crossed...

I'd have been more than happy with "Godfather in space" - but I rather felt that the Corleones would have wiped the floor with Fett with minimal collateral damage and maximum profit. His character just didn't seem very bright for someone who wanted to be a senior mobster (senior in role, I mean, he's got the "senior" in age terms nailed). And the Mods in space were a bit rubbish too.

Way back in the day there used to be a series called "Police Story" on American TV - it was basically a series of one hour programmes that had nothing in common except that the lead character was an LA policeman of one sort or another, detective, patrol officer, motorcycle cop, whatever. There wasn't any overlap between the shows, they were written by different people, had a completely different cast, varied from dark drama to comedy etc - you never knew what you were going to get from week to week. I think the studio liked it because they could try out different ideas, actors, writers and if something seemed to work very well they could look at making it into a series ("Police Woman" was quietly piloted via the series). I can't help thinking that perhaps Lucas / Disney should consider doing something similar - not a cop show but there must be oodles of small, low budget sci-fi ideas knocking around that could be shoehorned into the SW "universe" that wouldn't warrant a series but an episode - put half a dozen ideas together and you have an "SW Story".
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: has.been on August 05, 2022, 10:10:17 AM
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perhaps Lucas / Disney should consider doing something similar - not a cop show but there must be oodles of small, low budget sci-fi ideas knocking around that could be shoehorned into the SW "universe" that wouldn't warrant a series but an episode - put half a dozen ideas together and you have an "SW Story".

It is a good ay of trying out ideas, writers etc.
The BBC used to have 'Comedy Playhouse' one episode became a long running comedy,
'Steptoe & Son'.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Silent Invader on August 05, 2022, 10:37:51 AM
This is one I’m really looking forward to  8)

 https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw (https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw)

Looks to be an expansive budget, some good actors, some great visual transitions between the originals and the prequels and more importantly, so much gaming potential  :D

Let’s try and keep it focussed on the series itself and gaming if we can  ;)

With your last point in mind……

Rogue One was my absolute (by a long country mile) favourite of the SWs movies and so I can’t help but be intrigued by a prequel. The trailer looks very good (I like that some of the weapons have a contemporary appearance) and there’s much in there to influence my own non-SW SciFi project (which despite being non-SW includes Wookies). I’m not a subscriber to Disney+ but at less than the cost of a packet of minis a month I’m very tempted for this.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: JollyBob on August 05, 2022, 05:00:47 PM
I like that some of the weapons have a contemporary appearance

One of my favourite Star Wars drinking games is "Name the Converted Real Gun".  lol

Must admit this looks good to me too, although may suffer from a bulletproof main character as we know exactly how and when he dies...

That said, visuals are super and more SW can't be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Muzfish4 on August 06, 2022, 02:50:37 AM
more SW can't be a bad thing.

(https://i.imgur.com/8fAvQ9P.jpg)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: syrinx0 on August 06, 2022, 02:52:17 AM
While my hobby excesses are miniature and painting related, my wife's are movie related including Netflix, Disney plus, surround sound and a wonderfully large flat screen tv. I have enjoyed all the SW series so far. Definitely looking forward to the this release.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Darathar on August 07, 2022, 11:46:37 AM
Very keen to see this rogue one did the best job of capturing the empire in my eyes not just goombas but a regime that is pressing into the galaxy's freedoms, plus alot of cool themes the blade runner inspired hive city being one of my favourite scenes.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 07, 2022, 12:17:43 PM
plus alot of cool themes the blade runner inspired hive city being one of my favourite scenes.

I think that's Coruscant  ???
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Golgotha on August 07, 2022, 01:21:28 PM
More rebel scum...
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Veteran Sergeant on August 07, 2022, 03:33:42 PM
This is actually the first Star Wars show that looks promising. Mandalorian was okay, but at the end of the day, it was a western written for 14 year olds, and had all the sophistication that allowed. Rogue One, on the other hand, was originally too serious for Disney, which was why it had reshoots. Even acknowledging the editing mess that the final released version was, it was still far and away the best thing Disney has done with Star Wars so far. If the Andor show can live up to that trailer, it might be really good. I liked the Andor character, and I like the idea of a serious-toned show about the start of the Rebellion. As long as they can stay away from having too much MCU humor.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Donkeymilkman on August 07, 2022, 04:11:12 PM
This is actually the first Star Wars show that looks promising. Mandalorian was okay, but at the end of the day, it was a western written for 14 year olds, and had all the sophistication that allowed.

While I enjoyed the show it's nice to know it was not just me who found the story a bit paper thin. I understand the criticism of disney's plot lines, but I'm still willing to watch it for the set designs alone. Though I haven't done any sci-fi gaming in a while, if I were to it is the disney tv shows I'd go to for inspiration.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Cacique Caribe on August 11, 2022, 05:31:22 AM
While I enjoyed the show it's nice to know it was not just me who found the story a bit paper thin. I understand the criticism of disney's plot lines, but I'm still willing to watch it for the set designs alone. Though I haven't done any sci-fi gaming in a while, if I were to it is the disney tv shows I'd go to for inspiration.

I got that right away, from the first episode.  It was for young adults.  But I like Westerns, even in space.  Specially in space.  :)

Dan
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: ithoriel on August 11, 2022, 10:03:51 AM
For me, the Star Wars films have all been Saturday afternoon, B movie, tosh, as substantial as candyfloss, full of missed opportunities, tropes and stereotypes.
And yet ... and yet, I have been as swept up by Darth Vader, Boba Fett, the Millennium Falcon, Leia Organa et al as any fourteen year old.
The best I can really say about the franchise is that without it we would probably never had The Expanse, Firefly, Killjoys, Dark Matter, etc.
Apparently my kids now have Disney, time to suggest I pop round, provide pizza or burritos and watch something, I guess.  :)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: rumacara on August 11, 2022, 07:22:42 PM
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Rogue One was my absolute (by a long country mile) favourite of the SWs movies and so I can’t help but be intrigued by a prequel.

The same here.
And if someone doesnt like the series at least it will have loots of goodies/ideas for our games and scratchbuilt stuff. ;D

Looking forward for it. :)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 11, 2022, 08:31:48 PM
at least it will have loots of goodies/ideas for our games and scratchbuilt stuff. ;D

This in buckets  :)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: zemjw on September 08, 2022, 09:07:09 PM
So, apparently Disney+ day is now a thing and they've just dropped a 9 minute documentary on the upcoming series.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 08, 2022, 09:21:48 PM
Ooo, I’ll have to look out for that. Working my way through the ‘Light and Magic’ documentary at the moment.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Dags on September 08, 2022, 09:55:40 PM
Just watched the preview and it looks very impressive
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: DivisMal on September 11, 2022, 09:54:25 PM
😮 more awesome!

I’ve been really anxious by now for a new SW shot. Bad Batch and Obi Wan have been far too long ago.

And, as someone already said: More Star Wars is always good.
But I say: more life action SW series is even better for the wargamer and scratchbuilder!
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: zemjw on September 14, 2022, 02:30:58 PM
And, as someone already said: More Star Wars is always good.

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Tales Of The Jedi
Two Stories of Fate. One Destiny. #TalesOfTheJedi is coming to #DisneyPlus. All six Original shorts are streaming on October 26.

It's almost as if Walt himself heard you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uRRKqQbmw4 :-)

Looks quite interesting, if far too busy a trailer. Also, slightly annoyingly, yet another prequel :(
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: DivisMal on September 14, 2022, 03:48:41 PM
Shiny!  :)

And I’ll take anything prequel! The two (!) excellent Clone Wars series have completely changed my mind. And visually the Pre-Empire era has some really cool eye candy!
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: manic _miner on September 14, 2022, 03:56:15 PM
 The New Mando series 3 trailer also looks good.

 Looks to be quite a few new series coming out for SW fans.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 14, 2022, 04:38:50 PM
Yes, lots of goodies to soak up over the gloomy winter months  8)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: DivisMal on September 14, 2022, 08:01:42 PM
Oh my! So much goodness!  ;D
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: eilif on September 16, 2022, 02:37:57 PM
Shiny!  :)

And I’ll take anything prequel! The two (!) excellent Clone Wars series have completely changed my mind. And visually the Pre-Empire era has some really cool eye candy!
I agree. The animated shows have given me a way to enjoy that era of SW while ignoring episodes 1-3 as much as possible.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Blackwolf on September 21, 2022, 03:29:30 AM
Tonight  :D
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Dags on September 21, 2022, 12:28:30 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed the first 3  8)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Knightofspades on September 21, 2022, 01:08:56 PM
So how was it? Does it have the cheesy pulp feel of the originals or is this a more mature and realistic look at the darker aspects of the Star Wars universe?
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: rumacara on September 21, 2022, 01:40:00 PM
A more mature and realistic look at the darker aspects of the Star Wars universe. ;)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 21, 2022, 02:42:08 PM
That was rather bloody good  8)

Loads of background details. Good pacing and wasn’t over the top.

Deffo one to watch  8)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: dwbullock on September 21, 2022, 08:14:30 PM
Is it going to keep my 10 year old's interest?  He enjoyed Book of Fett, but picked Kenobi apart a bit.  And he doesn't enjoy the just outright blatant murder vibe in a lot of the more recent Marvel stuff.

'Did they have to show him shoot that guy in the head?  I mean, that looked like he really shot him in the head!  I don't want that in my superhero shows!'
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: uti long smile on September 21, 2022, 11:28:45 PM
Well that was a fried slice of gold. More of this please.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Cypher226 on September 22, 2022, 11:31:00 AM
Watched all three episodes last night - so far it's exactly what I wanted!

Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Vanvlak on September 22, 2022, 11:44:17 AM
Is it going to keep my 10 year old's interest?  He enjoyed Book of Fett, but picked Kenobi apart a bit.  And he doesn't enjoy the just outright blatant murder vibe in a lot of the more recent Marvel stuff.

'Did they have to show him shoot that guy in the head?  I mean, that looked like he really shot him in the head!  I don't want that in my superhero shows!'
I enjoyed it; but it is a little bit more explicitly violent in a shooty way than your average Star Wars.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: DS615 on September 22, 2022, 03:00:38 PM
Is it going to keep my 10 year old's interest?  He enjoyed Book of Fett, but picked Kenobi apart a bit.  And he doesn't enjoy the just outright blatant murder vibe in a lot of the more recent Marvel stuff.

'Did they have to show him shoot that guy in the head?  I mean, that looked like he really shot him in the head!  I don't want that in my superhero shows!'
Your 10yo is exactly right, and very smart.
Let him know he is not alone.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: DivisMal on September 23, 2022, 06:49:02 AM
Watched episodes 1-3 and really enjoyed it! The corporate watchmen are exactly the low level baddies we needed to make you realize why stormtroopers are the elite! Loved the setting and how they created that industrial planet. Lots of wargaming potential. Thumbs up so far!
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: LeadAsbestos on September 26, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
Really loving it so far.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Michi on September 26, 2022, 03:50:04 PM
Watched episodes 1-3 and really enjoyed it! The corporate watchmen are exactly the low level baddies we needed to make you realize why stormtroopers are the elite! Loved the setting and how they created that industrial planet. Lots of wargaming potential. Thumbs up so far!

I second that!
Yet it's not specifically SW very much, however a good story well told and as soon as the Empire will chime in, it certainly promises to be perfectly recognizable (the trailes got me very excited with anticipation of exactly that!).
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Marine0846 on September 26, 2022, 04:49:50 PM
Watched when I got back from... Disneyland, last week.
The whole Star Wars stuff was great.
I loved Rogue One, love Andor.
More for grownups than kids.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Daeothar on September 27, 2022, 10:34:47 AM
I binged the first three episodes this weekend, and I'm pleasantly surprised. The vibe is much grittier, showing populations in squalor, eeking out a dreary existence, in a way we haven't really seen in SW before.

This is the sub-layer the earlier films and series did not show (as explicitly). Much like there turns out to be an entire sub-layer of less priviliged people in Star Trek's Federation, which we never saw in the earlier series and films.

I feel it gives the entire universe more depth and realism. Plus; it clearly shows that the system(s) are far from perfect, even though they may seem that way from the top.

Almost like real life, eh? ;)

I usually like stories, be they books, series or films, best when they're still starting out on a low scale, where simply getting from A to B poses a challenge, where the world outside of the initial village or town feels very far away and a lowly evil footsoldier poses a huge threat. Where the mundane is still a part of the life of the protagonist(s).

The next phase, where they (finally) get to grips with the world at large, begin to understand the bigger challenge, get their first taste of victory and start tapping their (special) abilities is usually also fun; the character matures and discovers their role in the conflicts to come.

It's only when the final parts of such story arcs are reached, that I'm usually a bit put off (if only a tiny bit); the character has become one of the most important and often most powerful entities in the raging conflict. Armies, fleets and awesome team members, personal equipment and weapons are at their disposal, and the climactic battle ties it all off. Good guys win in a cataclismic event that changes the course of history forever, etc.
 
Very satisfying.

But I've always been more interested in the little guys; the humble beginnings. The ones that barely get by, or live their lives of quiet contentment, instead of the big heroes who will prevail anyway.

This is why I like the shire chapters (both at the beginning and the end of the books) in the Lord of the Rings, or the Star Trek Lower Decks series. It's why I loved the first book in the Mistborn trilogy, but got turned off by the completely apocalyptic ending of the last book. And also why I've really liked the first three episodes of Andor.

It's obvious that the next episodes will draw him into the fledgling rebellion, and some of the simplicity of his previous life will be lost, but we all know how his story ends. And even though he goes out with a (really big) bang, it's bittersweet instead of overly heroic. So I'm confident that the rest of the series will stay in this vein. Which suits me just fine; can't wait for the next episode :)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Dentatus on September 27, 2022, 01:19:54 PM
"A New Hope' was great back in 1977. Rogue One and now Andor are really the only SW stuff that work for me.
I think that's because they feel more like real war stories that happen to be set in the Star Wars universe. Instead of... whatever it is the rest of those movies became.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Kourtchatovium104 on September 27, 2022, 02:15:53 PM
I complètement agree with Dentatus!
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: AzSteven on September 27, 2022, 04:33:31 PM
Like the 1st episode well enough.  The 2nd episode was slow to the point of me nearly giving up, but for whatever reason I opted to go ahead and run episode 3.  And that one hooked me completely.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: zemjw on September 28, 2022, 09:55:27 AM
I enjoyed episode two better than episode one.

The corporate NCO character's voice kept scratching at my memory until I realised he was channeling number 2 on the Golgafrincham B Ark from the Hitch Hiker's Guide radio show o_o

I do have a slight question about why the bloke from the crashed spaceship was playing dead in the first place, but that was a minor quibble.

It's is shaping up to be the best of the shows to date :D
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 28, 2022, 10:53:50 AM
I do have a slight question about why the bloke from the crashed spaceship was playing dead in the first place, but that was a minor quibble.

It was probably either that he woke up when she prowled past him or he heard them coming and played dead until the opportune moment.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Dr. Zombie on September 28, 2022, 12:12:43 PM
I think it was great to see more of the dark underside of the Star Wars universe. And visually the show is awesome.

But otherwise I found it quite boring. Nothing really happens. And, for me, it suffers from the same as Rogue one (and the prequels for that matter). I cannot really connect to the main character because I know how it is ending.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Cypher226 on September 28, 2022, 12:14:33 PM
I do have a slight question about why the bloke from the crashed spaceship was playing dead in the first place, but that was a minor quibble.


I read that as he had passed out, and came to after she'd passed by?
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: zemjw on September 28, 2022, 02:36:06 PM
I read that as he had passed out, and came to after she'd passed by?

Yeah, like I said, just a minor quibble. It didn't spoil the episode, it just felt like it was plugged in there so that "action happened". I'd rather have seen them scavenging the ship for stuff, finding a prisoner they could release, that sort of thing.

I can't remember where that scene left off, but hopefully there will be more than just carrying the body back to camp.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 29, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
Ep 4 was another slow burn but an enjoyable one. Again, great scene setting and it’s interesting to hear mainly uk accents in a Star Wars production  lol
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Redmao on September 29, 2022, 10:51:30 AM
I see that it has potential, but, man, things are moving slowly. My wife told me that she's out after yesterday's episode.
Things need to move a bit faster. More cloak and dagger and less brooding :)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: eilif on October 03, 2022, 05:14:13 PM
Not going to read the thread too deep so as to avoid spoilers, but I watched the first episode yesterday and was very impressed.  Diego really nails what I imagine would be the look and mannerism of someone living in the margins under a totalitarian state and slowly losing their humanity.  The dead eyes and weary face. Dang.   

My wife was turned off by what she saw as some of the CW'ish (teen drama) style of the quasi-love-triangle dialogue, but I'm hoping to win her back with later episodes.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on October 05, 2022, 11:59:24 AM
Coco-pops and blue milk. Genius  lol

I was hoping for some action this week but I still enjoyed it. Plenty to look out for in the various settings  8)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Dags on October 05, 2022, 04:57:18 PM
Nice to see an old folding Polaroid camera repurposed  8)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: nozza_uk on October 06, 2022, 02:36:39 PM
I've been on holiday the last couple of weeks and slowly playing catch-up (upto episode 3 now). If I didn't know better I'd say this was not Star Wars, but I'm hooked by it. Nice to say some throwbacks to the 70s production era of the original film - payphones etc?

Reminds a lot of 'Mega-City Undercover' books from Judge Dredd.

Edit - my only (minor) negative has been a case of spot and name the British actor! That's Trevor from Eastenders, that's Mr Magpie from Dr Who, oh there's Fiona Shaw! As I say, only a minor nit.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: chromedog on October 08, 2022, 06:55:24 AM
is it the prelude to "Rogue One"? Looks very good.

Yes.  It is slated to be two seasons long.  S1 starts 5 years prior to R1, and S2 ends just prior to R1. 
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Marine0846 on October 08, 2022, 07:35:42 PM
I love Rogue One and Andor has the same vibe.
But it needs more action.
 Other than a little action in episode 1 and the fight in episode 3,
very little else.
Hope episode 6 is exciting.
Other than the Mandalorian all three live Star Wars series lack action.
With Mando, it seemed that there was some type of action in every show.
To me that is exciting and so fun to watch.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Cypher226 on October 09, 2022, 07:02:48 PM
The latest episode is a masterclass in building tension.  I also love we're getting lower-level bad guys rather than the elite Stormtroopers all the time, and getting a pretty good look at them too.

Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Daeothar on October 10, 2022, 09:54:06 AM
Yes, the series definitely feels like it's building up to a big climax, and I've been looking forward to new episodes with more urgency than to those of Rings of Power  (although later episodes there have been improving).

But all in all, I do like Andor, specifically because it's about the lower level of players...
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on October 13, 2022, 02:27:33 PM
Enjoyed this one as well but I was expecting more action but that’s just me wanting all the pew pew pew  lol

It’ll be interesting to see what the next three bring (as it’s being done in mini-runs) and how it plays with the overall galactic story arc.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Dentatus on October 13, 2022, 09:18:54 PM
Allowing for a bigger story arc across several season/slower pace, I'm still liking it. Feels a bit more raw and real to me.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Daeothar on October 16, 2022, 04:56:39 PM
I was only able to watch episode 6 just last night and there it was; the pew pew!  8)

I really liked the episode; the TIEs were finally show on their docking arms, and that really struck a chord in this old TIE-Fighter player  :D
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on October 16, 2022, 05:32:58 PM
the TIEs were finally show on their docking arms, and that really struck a chord in this old TIE-Fighter player  :D

Yeah, very cool. Would’ve been much better if there were four  lol
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: bandit86 on October 17, 2022, 05:46:08 AM
The big shootout just goes to show that, Stormtrooper armor (helmet) needs a serious upgrade, they can't see anything.  The soldiers were hitting things without much trouble.  Stormtrooper would have bee pew pewing all over the place and would have hit nothing.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Cypher226 on October 18, 2022, 01:28:54 PM
@bandit86 I suspect if/when we eventually see Stormtroopers in Andor, they'll be a bit more fearsome than in most other star wars media.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on October 19, 2022, 10:23:58 AM
Another good episode  8)

I was a bit disappointed there wasn’t more action last week but I’m really enjoying the story telling of the ‘slower’ episodes.

Some really good scenes of Coruscant as well. Wouldn’t be that hard to do a gaming table with the main walkways, bridges and balconies on the same level and a few brutalist facades on the table edges…
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: nozza_uk on October 27, 2022, 09:45:56 AM
Another enjoyable episode. It's good to see how the Empire effects the person on the street and makes a change from the 'Pew, pew' of other Star Wars shows.

Don't forget Tales of the Jedi is now out as well.
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Michi on October 27, 2022, 09:56:09 AM
It's good to see how the Empire effects the person on the street and makes a change from the 'Pew, pew' of other Star Wars shows.

I find it even more appealing to see that Luthen is willing to ignite the spark of a rioting rebellion by the idea to put pressure on the Empire to make the people on the street suffer even more. This makes him much more believable as a political actor. I really don't like him!  :D
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on October 27, 2022, 10:29:43 AM
It’s definitely more ‘real’ than other Star Wars shows  8)

So next week is the break out episode. Looking forward to seeing how they make it happen.

I also think that Syril Karn (the ex-security officer who’s now stuck in an office job) will probably turn into what he hates. Trying to find Cassian he’ll have to go behind the ISB’s back and break the rules.

Great rpg inspiration as well (which we’ll hopefully be starting up again in the new year).

Tales of the Jedi was fun and the last minute or two of the last episode was potentially a good indicator of the tone that the Asoka series will take  8)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: rumacara on October 27, 2022, 05:07:18 PM
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It’s definitely more ‘real’ than other Star Wars shows  8)

So next week is the break out episode. Looking forward to seeing how they make it happen.

That!!!! :D

I´m enjoying very much. More pew, pew wouldnt hurt but i think that is reserved for season 2. :)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Dags on November 02, 2022, 08:44:50 PM
Just seen it described as 'Blake's 7 with a humungous budget' which, sort of, works.....
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 02, 2022, 09:44:08 PM
Sort of  lol

So next week is the break out episode. Looking forward to seeing how they make it happen.

It wasn't  lol

Lots of tension this week, very enjoyable  8)
Title: Re: Andor
Post by: Daeothar on November 03, 2022, 09:20:39 AM
Just seen it described as 'Blake's 7 with a humungous budget' which, sort of, works.....
I can see that.

Luckily no annoying super AI though  :D

And last night I mispronounced Mon Mothma as Mon Mothra. Again.  lol
Wrong universe! Am I the only one who does this?
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 03, 2022, 11:17:17 AM
‘Fraid so  lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 09, 2022, 09:28:05 AM
One way out  8)
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Dags on November 09, 2022, 05:23:30 PM
I don't know how to swim
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 09, 2022, 07:16:38 PM
Yeah, does that mean he’ll appear again as it was quite abrupt.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Dags on November 09, 2022, 08:06:19 PM
Gut feeling is that that was his goodbye. But I'm usually wrong.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Mark on November 09, 2022, 08:25:33 PM
Absolutely brilliant episode this week - I think the series has improved dramatically as it has progressed.

OSHIROmodels - I presume we will be seeing the prison in 28mm soon?!
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 10, 2022, 11:04:57 AM
OSHIROmodels - I presume we will be seeing the prison in 28mm soon?!

Not soon but at some point because I'm weak  lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: majorsmith on November 10, 2022, 08:46:43 PM
Well I finally got around to watching it, love it!! The prison episode was just amazing!!!  I’m actually liking it more than the mandolorian…..
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: lethallee61 on November 11, 2022, 01:04:37 AM
I also like how the ruthlessness of the Empire is increasing as the series progresses, setting the justification for later developments such as the Death Star and planetary annihilation as a legitimate tactic.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Dags on November 11, 2022, 09:47:37 AM
Made me laugh...
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 11, 2022, 10:00:28 AM
 lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Vanvlak on November 11, 2022, 10:20:33 AM
Good one!  lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: nozza_uk on November 11, 2022, 11:33:31 AM
Well I finally got around to watching it, love it!! The prison episode was just amazing!!!  I’m actually liking it more than the mandolorian…..

Overall I liked the episode, but I had a few nits to pick. The entire goal of the prison break was just to swim for it! What about seizing a ship or something else? How did they know there’d be any land to reach? This could have been an ocean world like Kimino and then they would have been screwed (or eaten by some aquatic creature!). Also, Luthen’s speech at the end seemed a bit empty to me - maybe a little too rehersed?
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 11, 2022, 11:42:21 AM
You can see when Cassian is being transported there that there is land in the background. I would imagine ships are kept off site just in case of such a scenario.

As to Luthen's speech, he's possibly had to do it a few times to other agents so it's probably wearing a bit thin for him now.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Michi on November 11, 2022, 11:46:36 AM
How did they know there’d be any land to reach?

They probably spotted it at their approach when shipped to the facility or actually spotted it from the balcony when they reached it...  :D

Luthen’s speech at the end seemed a bit empty to me 

That's because he hadn't anything to tell. He was simply pressed by Cassian to do it.

The whole prison break story was probably told only to stall Andor for the Empire to catch up...  lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: nozza_uk on November 11, 2022, 12:21:10 PM
You can see when Cassian is being transported there that there is land in the background. I would imagine ships are kept off site just in case of such a scenario.

Ok, I hadn't spotted the land in the background.

I know that I'm overthinking this, but why then did the Empire put the sea prison close enough to any land that escaping prisoners could swim there? Why not put it a further from the nearest shore? Or on a pure ocean planet like Kimino?
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: nozza_uk on November 11, 2022, 12:22:23 PM
That's because he hadn't anything to tell. He was simply pressed by Cassian to do it.

Are you getting Kino mixed up with Luthen?
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Michi on November 11, 2022, 01:34:29 PM
Are you getting Kino mixed up with Luthen?

DOH! You're right!  :o
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 16, 2022, 09:15:28 AM
Cracking pew pew pew this episode and I'm hoping for plenty more next week  8)

It was there in the trailer but it was great to see the Cantwell class cruiser 'in action'  :D
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: hubbabubba on November 16, 2022, 11:30:13 PM
Ahhh. Is Luthien a Sith lord!!!
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Vanvlak on November 17, 2022, 07:43:30 AM
Very interesting pew-pew it is too.
And who knew slightly modified river trolls could make it to Star Wars?
But the highlight for me was the presence (however brief) of a Quad Jumper, a favourite of mine; I was sad it only appeared for seconds in the last trilogy.

I think I have spotted a continuity error though: there were handrails in the prison factory! Doesn't that go against Imperial design standards?  :D
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: YPU on November 17, 2022, 10:21:49 AM
It was there in the trailer but it was great to see the Cantwell class cruiser 'in action'  :D

They made the flying sat receiver feel darn menacing for a bit there, very well done.

I wasn't entirely sold ol the pew pew. Sure it felt "earned" at this point and I suppose it shows us something about luthien and what he is capable of, but parts of his tricks felt very toy gimick to me.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: nozza_uk on November 17, 2022, 11:48:12 AM
Ahhh. Is Luthien a Sith lord!!!

There are rumours going around that he's a former Jedi.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: McMordain on November 17, 2022, 12:53:28 PM
I think I have spotted a continuity error though: there were handrails in the prison factory! Doesn't that go against Imperial design standards?  :D

As my friend pointed it out, there were handrails at the Imperial facility on Aldhani as well. So at least the show itself is consistent.
Maybe the no handrails policy came later to cut down costs.  lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: hubbabubba on November 17, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
There are rumours going around that he's a former Jedi.

Yea, first there wass the kyber crystal he gave to Andor, then when he was frisked before his second meeting with Saw, the object they took off him looked like some kind of light sabre, but the red beams coming out the side of his ship make me think he's a dark sider.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Daeothar on November 17, 2022, 02:37:24 PM
I loved the pew pew scenes! 8)

And also the fact that Luthen's Haulcraft turns out to be the illigitimate lovechild of the Millennium Falcon and a TIE Striker. She may be small, but she's got it where it counts...
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Vanvlak on November 17, 2022, 04:46:19 PM
As my friend pointed it out, there were handrails at the Imperial facility on Aldhani as well. So at least the show itself is consistent.
Maybe the no handrails policy came later to cut down costs.  lol
Good point, I missed that! By the time Rogue One events took place they seem to have started that economy drive.  lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 19, 2022, 12:28:15 PM
I think Luthen's ship just has beam lasers (plenty of them about) but I think more 'chaff' would've been good. Either that or some sort of 'Deathblossom'.

but parts of his tricks felt very toy gimick to me.

I can see what you mean but a lot of Star Wars can be considered that way. I just hope there will be more kits available as there's been a real dearth of quality stuff for the past few years.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: YPU on November 19, 2022, 05:42:48 PM
I think Luthen's ship just has beam lasers (plenty of them about) but I think more 'chaff' would've been good. Either that or some sort of 'Deathblossom'.

I can see what you mean but a lot of Star Wars can be considered that way. I just hope there will be more kits available as there's been a real dearth of quality stuff for the past few years.

You aren't wrong, but spinning around with a beam laser projecting out the sides to slice ties in half was the first time this series I went "oh, right, I'm watching starwars" in a negative way. The darts getting launched from the back made more sense to me, great against pursuit and I imagine it could be fired without "weapon systems activated" sensors on the pursuer going off.
Its not terrible, it just didn't fit the overall vibe of the series for me.

Dont get me wrong, I really hope the fondor gets a x-wing model as I'm doing a 6mm starwars project and I'd love to have it on the table on a desolate landing pad.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Skrapwelder on November 20, 2022, 05:37:51 PM
My take on the was that it used the tractor beam's own power against it. So it wouls appear inert on any kind of scan. That's why he gunned the Fondor's power to get the Imperial ship to increase its tractor beam power. Once he let the chaff out it went straight for the tractor projecter.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: YPU on November 20, 2022, 07:08:54 PM
Right, that makes a lot of sense!
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: PeteW on November 23, 2022, 06:40:15 PM

Wow

Try

(and don't miss the cameo in the end credits)

How long have we go to wait for season 2 - too long that's for sure

P
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: nozza_uk on November 23, 2022, 08:47:26 PM
Now we know what they were making in the prison.  lol
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 23, 2022, 10:47:50 PM
Loved it  8)
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Vanvlak on November 25, 2022, 06:54:04 AM
That was superb!
The band, in particular, especially the guy with the cross between a trombone and an old gramophone trumpet.  8)
And the anger was palpable.
I DID enjoy the cameo too, very nicely done too.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: majorsmith on November 25, 2022, 01:38:48 PM
Best Star Wars show ever for me, more grown up I guess, but some really good stuff in the series, can’t wait for season 2
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: Schogun on November 25, 2022, 01:49:03 PM
(and don't miss the cameo in the end credits)
P

Thanks for mentioning this.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: YPU on November 29, 2022, 04:20:39 PM
That last episode, I felt the tension in my stomach in a way that I haven't in anything sci-fi for a long time.

I did also quite like the reveal of what they were building. Sure it was kind of the "obvious" thing, but it felt so small and anonymous a part in it that sure, why not.
Title: Re: Andor (possible spoilers)
Post by: zemjw on December 10, 2022, 04:32:31 PM
I was running a couple of episodes behind, so stopped reading this thread, just in case ;D

Finally caught up, and this has been my favourite of Disney's spinoffs.

A couple of thoughts:

This was a very human centric show. Given how rich and commonplace the aliens are in Star Wars, there weren't many on display here at all. I appreciate it's easier with the cartoons, but villages there have a huge mix of races. Apart from a couple of scenes I don't remember any aliens in the background on any of the planets.

Blasters are deadly! One hit and that's it - no wounding, just dead (although I think someone survived being hit in the leg)

I almost missed the cameo at the end. I caught sight of it just too late, fumbled the rewind button and ended up having to fast forward through the entire episode again. Still, it was worth it.

Definitely my new bar for their next shows to match.

There was a recent BBC article on the filming of the dam stuff in Scotland - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjenj90452ro