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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Yarkshire Gamer on August 25, 2022, 04:16:03 PM
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I've been neglecting the blog for a while (link above) but I thought I'd put a post together for these guys.
This is the final unit for my Papal Army for the Battle of Mentana. Unfortunately the Perrys still haven't released their French Franco Prussian Infantry so I'm a bit stuck finishing off the Project for the end of October when I was hoping to put the game on at the FIASCO show in Leeds.
The figures are from Gringo 40s, they are big 28mm and not always avaliable, thankfully I managed to sweet talk the owner to make me some. For the pendants out there I know the flag is wrong :-)
More pics and a link to the latest Yarkshire Gamer Monthly Wargames Update on the Utubes on the link above.
Until next time, Sithee
Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer
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Dang! Those boys look good! Well done, lad! :D
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Very nice. :-*
Your output of quality miniatures is pretty amazing. o_o
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Very cool! 👍
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Lovely
I have their Neapolitans and redshirts. They are excellent figures.
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Gorgeous!
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Lovely stuff
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By the by, Perry Miniatures have released the Chasseurs in metal, which gives you a fifth of the French contingent.
For the Papal forces, I reckon a combo of their ACW zouaves with kepis from the other ACW boxes would work for Papal Zouaves. The Legion d’Antibes could be done using the Foundry Crimean War French in kepis with just the addition of a plume. The short shako looks pretty much like a kepi anyway. Carabineri Esteri could probably be made using the Crimean War French as well. No doubt you have already thought of these but there are useful uniform plates here:
https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/collections/the-vinkhuijzen-collection-of-military-uniforms#/?tab=navigation&roots=13:bd07a6c0-c546-012f-6cf8-58d385a7bc34/90:7072d1a0-c54c-012f-0b1b-58d385a7bc34
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By the by, Perry Miniatures have released the Chasseurs in metal, which gives you a fifth of the French contingent.
For the Papal forces, I reckon a combo of their ACW zouaves with kepis from the other ACW boxes would work for Papal Zouaves. The Legion d’Antibes could be done using the Foundry Crimean War French in kepis with just the addition of a plume. The short shako looks pretty much like a kepi anyway. Carabineri Esteri could probably be made using the Crimean War French as well. No doubt you have already thought of these but there are useful uniform"
Cheers, I've beat you to it, I'm afraid, Papal Zouaves using Perrys ACW
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Legion d'Antibes with Foundry French Crimean with Shako and added plume, Carabineri Esteri with the same figs. Officers from various Perrys War of the Triple Alliance command sets and Perry French Guns. I will do a review of the whole Papal Army soon.
Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer
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Marvellous!
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Very nice Ken. You might be able to do something with this dragoon flag.
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Very nice Ken. You might be able to do something with this dragoon flag.
Yep, that's the one I have and I've avoided it like the Plague lol
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As long as you have it!
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Out of curiosity, what rules are you planning on using? It’s a relatively small action, so all of the grand-tactical rules for the period seem a mismatch. I’m looking for something myself that could be used with up to a brigade or so on each side.
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Out of curiosity, what rules are you planning on using? It’s a relatively small action, so all of the grand-tactical rules for the period seem a mismatch. I’m looking for something myself that could be used with up to a brigade or so on each side.
Hi Carlos,
Not quite decided yet, all the rules I used, regardless of Battle size are Battalion based. I am just over halfway with the figure build and will start looking at rules soon. I have a copy of Picketts Charge as a starting point and if I like that I will adapt it for Mentana.
Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer
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I've used Rebels and Patriots for gaming actions in Italy from the 1840's thru 60's. If you aren't too fussy about what your unit represents then the blunders and traits and general mechanisms seem to be a good match for the period.
Alternatively I've also used Neil Thomas's 19thC set. They work fine but I like the feel of R&P better.
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excellent painting and very good project that i'm following since the beginning..
I've been to the battlefield of Mentana and i understand that's not the most suited one for cavalry...anyway the Dragoon unit present at Mentana threatned the red shirts as soon as they begun to fall back to their final position, the fortified castle and a dragoons platoon made a dismounted advance toward the ennemy...furthemore, fom my sources, the advancing Garibaldini column at the eve of the battle was discovered at dawn by just a single dragoon trooper who faced them suddenly from a hidden path , fired a pistol shot and fell back at mad gallop to warn Kanzler of the presence of the bandit's army coming from Monterotondo to Mentana...what followed was certainly more close to an ecounter battle even if the red shirts had managed to set up some sorts of hastly made defences.
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Not bandits but biscuits. Biscotti not banditti. I have found no examples of biscuits being named after banditti. There is no Robin Hood Family Assortment, no Pancho Villa Cream Wafer, no John Dillinger Digestive. Garibaldi=Great Biscuit, ipso facto: Garibaldi=Great Man. :D
Better name than the Eccles biscuit you must agree.
Of course one can endlessly debate whether the unification of Italy ever really panned out as planned. Arguably not. ;)
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Of course he was a “great man” but for his British/freemasons masters not for the Italian people above all those from the South 😏
By the way and far more interesting than any historical analysis of the Risorgimento ..are those famous “Garibaldi biscuits” worth to have a try? Despite their name, they are totally unknown in my country but, since I read about many times even in this forum, i m very curious and tempted to order them even from Amazon uk ..maybe I could change my mind about the man itself 😃
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Well we have both Bourbons and Garibaldis....but neither are to everyone's taste!
Now biscuits aside I am keen to see more of Italy from 48 to 70 here, and in particularly more papal and minor state forces please!
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I see Rebels and Patriots as a skirmish game, the publishers say 60 to 90 figures. I need something more Battalion based, Mentana will be around 7 to 800 figures.
Unfortunately I'm not a fan of Neil Thomas's rules, a bit too much on the simple side for the group I game with, we like a bit more detail and period tight rules.
I will find something eventually, if not I'll end up writing something :)
Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer
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Legion d'Antibes with Foundry French Crimean with Shako and added plume, Carabineri Esteri with the same figs. Officers from various Perrys War of the Triple Alliance command sets and Perry French Guns. I will do a review of the whole Papal Army soon.
Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer
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As you rightly, mentioned the need of some other key units for your project, take into account that the Pontifical Army soldiers, especially during the 1867 Campaign, sported various combinations of uniforms..all inspired by French but even with a lot of campaign dress options
some of the following picts are extremely rare and, i suppose, still unpublished but they depict the real aspect of the Pope's soldiers..
PS: probably you're aware that the all French recruited Légion d'Antibes was officially called , in order to shadow her real origin, "Legione Romana"
lastly ..do you know that the swiss based Cibo's Little dudes make some nice Ponifical Subjects..unfortunatly the picts are 'nt the best ones but i can assure you that they are nice minis and even compatible with average 28mm
https://www.ciboslittledudes.com/collections/risorgimento-papal-state
same could be said for Mirliton..of which the 90% of my Papal Army is based:
https://www.mirliton.it/historical-25-28mm/italian-indipendence-wars/papal-state
Out of the "cacciatori in campaign dress" i made both my cacciatori and foreign carabineers which are very similar ..
In practice with the "cacciatore" in short jacket and soft French type képi you can make both "Cacciatori", "Carabinieri" and "Antibes Legion" with red trousers..the white havelock or ear cover was used by every Pontifical soldier on Campaign during summer..including Zouaves...take into account that today's, 7 th of septmber here in Rome (not far from Mentana) i had a free day and went in the park for jogging and i can assure you that i really suffered without my hat ....BUT..the 3 of november of 1867 in Mentana was a rainy and cold day ;)...and, lastly, in case you 'll opt for Mirliton minis don't forget a couple of Papal Gendarmes and the mini representing general Kanzler :)
PS: the Pontifical Gendarmes that still exist and still behave like a sort of Political Constabulary for the Pope..( that's reason why i prefer the more fashionable and decent Swiss Guard) were, during the period in question, so hatred by the Roman populace that they were called "Sbirri" or worst "Sturacessi" that could be translated as "toileteers" or "toilet snakers" lol lol lol