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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Digits on September 03, 2022, 11:28:34 PM
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So, as usual, I’m a little late to the party. Everyone probably did something when Billhooks came out. Never mind, this is a period of our history, that both fascinates and horrifies me in equal measure.
I find myself back up in Yorkshire for a few days in my wife’s home village with a little time on my hands. I recently dug my copy of Kingmaker out of the garage, a firm favourite when I was at school, and out of interest, I picked up a box of Perry archers and billmen
I figure I will paint these up. If I enjoy it, I will most likely go on to build two small forces to play with.
I have already assembled them, so will get straight into the painting. Going to start with one of my favourite nobles from Kingmaker, Percy, Earl of Northumberland.
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Cool, looking forward to seeing them.
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Good luck with this David. I know you were saying units
of 12 or 6, but how you planning to base them?
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Most units of six are typically skirmishes I believe and left loose. I’m basing infantry on 20mm squares then using war bases trays.
Junior leaders typically on 30mm rounds, but will probably mount my overall leader on a 40mm round along with banner carrying page.
Horses will go on 20 x 45 bases, knights needing to go on a war base. Horse are in units of eight I think. But as this is a small undertaking, I doubt I will have more than a few light cavalry. An artillery piece would be nice though.
Anyway, going to paint theses billmen and their faction leader first me thinks.
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Livery below for Percy troops though I profess I’m confused as I’ve read elsewhere the black is on the left as you look at the man……not sure I fully understand colour siding convention….
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The figure bottom right has the black on the left as you look at it.
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Going to start with one of my favourite nobles from Kingmaker, Percy, Earl of Northumberland.
What's not to love? Really cool coat of arms, big castle jammed up north and a massive 100 troops to go with the title!
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Especially if you can get him Warden of the Northern Marches!
Pete, I can see that mate…but it’s the one second row, second in I’m doing. Maybe I wasn’t clear?
What I mean is, when they state such and such has green and blue, do they mean green on the left or right?
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What I mean is, when they state such and such has green and blue, do they mean green on the left or right?
Good question, I'll leave the correct answer to the experts.
My views are:-
Does it matter?
Do what you fancy.
I've seen nice units that would have some with Green on the left (as you look at it)
& some on the right (as you look at it) Think about it, if you dye half the available
coats Green & half Blue, then cut them in half & sew different colours together that
is what you will get. They are all wearing the Lord's colours. AS Eric Morcambe might
have put it, 'We're wearing the right colours...not necessarily in the correct order I'll
grant you'
Watching a crowd of football fans going to a match, I feel fairly confident of telling
the Man. Utd. fans from the Chelsea ones. That would help ME understand the
occasional mis-identification of allies/enemies in WotR. 'You helped them over our
barricades?????' 'Honest Sarge I thought they wuz Man. Utd. I didn't realize dey wuz
Liverpool.' (To those who don't follow Football, they both wear Red)
:D
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What I mean is, when they state such and such has green and blue, do they mean green on the left or right?
This resource may answer questions.
https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/p/flags-during-wars-of-roses.html
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Folks, may also be interested to know there's a new Kingmaker edition being launched on kickstarter on the 9th, I think it maybe include a Solo play option,.
So if folks want a new shiny version, I'll see the price point first meself, got my hands on a second edition AH when WI and the free Billhooks came out which I think opened up WOTR to a much wider audience :)
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This resource may answer questions.
https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/p/flags-during-wars-of-roses.html
Very useful thank you. So I’m happy now having seen Percy’s standard that the Red is top, meaning it’s worn as the man’s right hand colour as per the livery shown above. Great. Makes more sense now.
Andy…do you have a link to the kickstarter please?
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Andy…do you have a link to the kickstarter please?
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Apparently it'll be a Kickstarter only so I guess spread the word.
https://gibsonsgames.co.uk/collections/all/products/kingmaker-royal-relaunch
Only a prelaunchpage at the moment but you can sign up for a notification.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kingmaker-rerelease/the-royal-rerelease-of-kingmaker
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Ok, weather hasn’t been great for painting, but I have managed to paint my first unit…some of Percy’s Billmen. I didn’t have enough in livery top for what I wanted as I’d diverted a lot onto the archers. However, I will be placing a small order with Front Rank for a few liveried billmen, which will swat out with a few of these, plus a more appropriate standard bearer. Grass tufts etc when I get home no doubt.
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However, easy enough to paint I think, and looking forward to doing a unit of archers now.
To put me in the mood, we are off to Middleham Castle today, a childhood home of Richard III and a chance to drop in at the Wensleydale cheese factory en route!
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they are looking great.Tomorrow is the Billhooks BASH at Boards and Swords Hobbies in Derby. Andy Callan, the author of Billhooks, and most the original Billhooks players will be there and ALL of them will have one company painted in a livery to match their favourite football team!
Last year I played a gainst Andy Callan who field a init of light cavalry most of whom were LotR Rohirrim painted with red tunics! They don't take it at all seriously is my point , paint them as you wish
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Hmmm….I think I at least ought to try and do it properly for now 😉
Well, photobucket is playing up with an update, and will sort pics later, but for now at least, I have painted a unit or Percy’s archers to go with the billmen.
Have to say, I’ve enjoyed these, so I’ve ordered a few more minis, including a few scurrers, a pair of field pieces and a few dozen infantry. Mostly Perry but a few Frint Rank to see how they fit in.
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Looking good so far David.
Will be spectacular with flags & flocking.
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Yup, soon as I get home.
Meanwhile, pics sorted.
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Beautiful work!
Dan
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Thank you sir.
So I’m home, and managed to base the minis. Before that, I needed to sort out a banner, so as a small Front Rank order had arrived, I have done another couple as I still want a few more units for Percy.
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Finished unit
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He still needs another unit of bow and billmen, plus some men at arms. I have to wait on a delivery for them, but I do have a cannon…..
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Excellent work! The basing and unit trays tie them all together nicely.
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That is quality painting.
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Project turned out lovely so far :)
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Splendid work :-* :-* :-*
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Lovely troops! Well done!
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Excellent work!
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Thank you sirs, glad you like them.
A question though please.
In the Perry set of archers, there are as many minis without livery jackets / tunics as there are with.
I have seen lots of people painting up the padded jackets with livery colours. Is this historically accurate or simply painters licence?
For that matter, I’m assuming not every noble necessarily furnished his ranks with livery colours?
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Still waiting on my Perry Order…..you’d think they were re sculpting the minis! 😉
However, as I’d purchased a few Front Rank minis to mix in, I have painted a field piece.
I decided to paint them in livery, mainly because I like them. No idea if historically accurate but hey ho.
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I have started on the next block of billmen, in so much as I’m painting a few Front Rank to mix in with the Perry minis. As Percy will be looking after my main ward, I am making this a fairly large retinue. Ultimately two mixed blocks of archers/billmen, one company of men at arms and the canon so a little way to go yet.
Whilst waiting, I’ve also made up a few strips of stakes (using Hobbycraft twigs)
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Good progress David.
My view on the livery for the cannon crew...
De guy wot paid fer it, gets to decide wot dey wear. :D
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That’s my thought for sure.
Kinda like the pose of the chap with the lintstock….he’s clearly seen one of these things explode before! Lol
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Very nice work indeed.
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I have seen lots of people painting up the padded jackets with livery colours. Is this historically accurate or simply painters licence?
That's a good question. Personally I think it is 'painters licence' as you put it, I don't think jacks were dyed in livery colours.
BUT I don't actually know, that's just my gut feeling! If anyone has any evidence that they were dyed then please share.
It's true you do see a lot of people painting them in livery colours - personally I prefer them to remain 'plain', and just have the actual jackets and coats in livery colours.
But that's just my personal preference!
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It does seem counter intuitive to paint the jacks that way. Saying that, I am painting a unit of archers right now and decided to try it on a pair of them to help in my decision making.
I suppose the alternative should I decide not to, is to add a few additional livery coats with a little gs. I may have to have a go at that.
Cheers
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It does seem counter intuitive to paint the jacks that way. Saying that, I am painting a unit of archers right now and decided to try it on a pair of them to help in my decision making.
I suppose the alternative should I decide not to, is to add a few additional livery coats with a little gs. I may have to have a go at that.
Cheers
Yes, that sounds like a good idea!
Obe of the reasons I personally dont like coloured jacks Is that I don't like every available piece of the figure to be in livery colours, including legs and helmets. I prefer them to look like they are wearing their own civilian clothes, with any armour over that, and then the livery jackets as the top layer. This can still be colourful if that's the preferred look - legs and sleeves can be in other non-livery colours.
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Totally agree….but I have realised that with the mix available in a standard Bill/archer Perry box….on a more subdued unit (colour wise) like these fellas, especially with half the livery being black, that for the overall unit to look “unified” the ratio of livery coat wearing minis isn’t quite high enough.
I have been painting some Front tank selected livery coat wearing minis to mix in to the bill blocks….but I don’t want to have to buy so many archers as they are plentiful enough in the box generally.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not doing such a large army as to worry too much about this, but I’m the interest of looking “right” I want to try and do my best.
Edit:
So, in the interest of setting the scene up in the dales of Gods own Country and the bits above it….I am in need of some good looking dry stone walling…and sheep (1st corps for those)…any recommendations welcome 😉
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My Perry Order has arrived, so lots of opportunity to advance.
Particularly pleasing, they popped in a “Charles the Bold” mini. The Burgundian is a little ornate but I think I will do a head swap, and shave off the heraldry from his back and breast, and it may give me a canvas for having a go at a little freehand heraldry. Not really looking forward to that as my eyes ain’t what they used to be and I’ve never really been any good at freehand anyway! Lol
Firstly though, I’ve been working on half a unit of billmen courtesy of Front Rank. I just need to assemble and paint a few plastic minis to mix in to finish the unit….
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From my limited research Jacks would normally be one colour usually undyed fabric but could be occasionally dyed a single colour such as red, but not parti-coloured, Doublets could be normal clothing but could be in the livery colours, Tabards in retinue colours would be worn over normal clothing. Hose (breeches) would usually normal clothing. It would all depend on the class of troops and the wealth of the noble. I don't stick strictly to all that though to give my figures a rather more uniform appearance, your figures, paint them as you like though.
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Thanks for that. I think in the main I will leave the jacks alone. I have two archers with coloured jacks on my paint tray, but I doubt I will do any more. Besides, I’m quite enjoying mixing in Front Rank and can pick liveried minis as I have done here with the billmen.
I finished another 12 billmen, mostly Front Rank so I’ve mixed them about a bit with the first block.
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Look excellent.
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Very nice. I might be tempted to mix a few more Front Rank into my Perrys too...
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Excellent work those have come out a treat.
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Thanks chaps!
So….I’m in danger of getting carried away, and I’ve three separate units on my workbench….I’ve Percy’s men at arms and his last unit of archers.
Also, getting way ahead of myself, I started on the first unit for Clifford. I’ve read a little about his mounted troops, so a mixed unit of mounted bow and prickers. I will have to pull these up to get Percy finished.
Ordered a few more standards from Pete’s flags. For the Lancastrians, Butcher Clifford and Yorkists Kingmaker Neville and his uncle, the very able William Neville.
I also ordered a couple of sheets for flags from little big men studios to add a dash of colour.
Anyway, enough prattle…..on with the painting…..
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So….I’m in danger of getting carried away,
What you David?????? lol
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I resemble that remark sir! >:(
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Ok, weekend headway. I’m not up to painting coats of arms yet so simple knight to represent Percy. My simple take on various armoured finishes on the men at arms, representing polished armour, oiled armour, blackened and bronzed armours. I wanted something quick and they work for me at least.
Likewise, once I pluck up the courage, I will replace the captain with something more colourful.
Just one unit of archers now then I can move on to another house.
Edit: a question for those in the know please. Where do I source the flag poles (pins) with the branch out of the side? There are hanging banners with tabs that hang from the branches.
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Edit: a question for those in the know please. Where do I source the flag poles (pins) with the branch out of the side? There are hanging banners with tabs that hang from the branches
1) Solder on the horizontal pole
2) Use the banner to support the horizontal pole. (h.p.)
i.e. fold a 'tab' over the h.p. to hold it in position,
then a spot of superglue gel to 'spot weld the join.
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Yup…I was hoping to buy pre soldered…never mind. Cheers
Been slow in coming but I’ve finished the Percy faction with a second unit of archers. When I get a table set up next, I will take a group pic.
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And a 1st corps flock of sheep…with a twenty five minute paint job!
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Next up…..Clifford’s retinue.
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I need to get the set of sheep. Very useful for the English country side.
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For those who like Terry Pratchet's 'Wee Free Men' the sheep should
have a startled look & be moving backwards rapidly through the
long grass (as the Wee Free Men rustle them)
lol lol lol
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I may have to read it!
I also ordered a couple of sets of Fenris dry stone walling. Looking forward to painting that up. I may just have to purchase a couple of medieval stone farm houses at some point too.
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brilliant.
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Cheers.
Real life has interrupted my flow but hopefully now I can proceed once more.
I have my first unit for Lord Clifford on the paint table. The horses are painted, just need to do the riders.
My order from Fenris Games arrived, some beautiful dry stone walling.
I have also just ordered myself some printed scenery, this lovely looking Norman stone keep along with a small barn. With the walls, a few sheep and an odd windswept tree, it should give me a nice sense of Yorkshire on the table!
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The buildings have arrived…quick service and good prints. I look forward to putting paint on them.
Inspired by this months WI article featuring Mike Peters casualty markers, I thought I’d have a go at a few too. Always adds a little flavour to the battlefield me thinks.
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Only problem is…it’s adding to my paint table! Lol
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Those buildings are really nice.
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They are. Check them out on eBay…they have a couple of different mansions / keeps.
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It's a wonderful looking collection you are building up! I've been slowly putting together a northern Lancastrian army myself, so it's great to see such beautifully painted figures as inspiration.
Will you move on to their Neville adversaries at some point in the future?
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That’s certainly the plan. I had to have a small operation a couple of weeks ago that has scuppered recent painting attempts but now I want to try and make some headway yes.
I want to finish the Lancastrians but have already bought a lot of the minis for the Yorkists too.
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I also ordered a couple of sets of Fenris dry stone walling. Looking forward to painting that up.
I look forward to seeing it. The Fenris stone walls I have are the nicest walls I own.
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The buildings have arrived…quick service and good prints. I look forward to putting paint on them.
Inspired by this months WI article featuring Mike Peters casualty markers, I thought I’d have a go at a few too. Always adds a little flavour to the battlefield me thinks.
Dat's 'arrowing! Well done David.
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Cheers
So, next unit finished, Clifford’s Horse. I’ve read about his mounted archers but wanted to be able to depict either them or a detachment of prickers so mixed loadout on these.
Unfortunately, this cements the simple fact I can not do freehand….as the dragons are terrible I know 🫣. I may over paint them and add decals at a later point.
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The lesson is surely
1) Try freehand
2) Put extra baggage on the backs to cover the bad parts.
Two reasonable ones & the rest partially covered & it will look fine.
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I don’t think they’re that terrible to be honest. Especially not at tabletop distance. You can see what they are. It’s a nice looking unit :)
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Cheers.
I can’t help but think I’d have been better putting the dragon, Clifford on the back…..
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Anyway, I can come back to them….I’m trying to get a playable force together first….
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The trouble is we think, nay expect, good artwork. The Medieval artists (by that I mean
the ordinary artist, not the rare genius types) were not THAT good. A friend back in the day,
when I last did WotR, painted an accurate Warwick standard, the Bear & Ragged Staff, only
for the rest of us to take the mick. It soon became the 'Gerbil & Twig' flag.
lol lol lol
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Has.been is spot on.
I think people get too wound up over painting "perfect" shield and livery blazons, when in fact these weren't done with computer-aided precision, and were done by hand, by individuals of varying talent and often under poor light and uncomfortable working conditions. They would look slightly mis-matched, not all would be as good as others, and one man's bear is another man's fat hamster.
I personally think hand-painted heraldry looks more authentic than serried ranks of identical, computer-printed transfers; has more soul a more rustic feel.
Nothing wrong with your unit, if anything I'd maybe tidy up the odd line here and there, but not paint over them.
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Thanks for that….I feel a bit better about them! Lol
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Stumbling towards a completed army……
Clifford’s Men at Arms with the odd friend.
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Still need a pair of archer units, one of billmen and a handful of crossbow men.
Hopefully I can then find a local opponent to break them on!
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Very nice :)
I like the mix of armour colours.
Hope you find someone to play against. It’s a really good set of rules. Makes for a great game almost every time.)
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Nice array of men at arms! Your poses are very dynamic and accurate!
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Thanks.
Ok, just to prove I’m still on this…
One unit of billmen and some skirmishing crossbowmen.
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Two units of archers to go, of which one is underway, and the Lancastrians are done kickin in around 170 points. Hopefully I can get a game or two in with them.
Before painting the Yorkists, I will then paint the couple of medieval buildings I’m sitting on.
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Nice looking unit 8)
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Wow! They are all looking rather excellent, what a great project! Mine is a similar story, for which I blame Mr Callan and his rules! Two years ago I had not a single medieval figure now I have two armies! The heraldry is really addictive aspect, just as you think you have completed your collection see another great banner or livery that you just have to have!
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Cheers fella.
I would be glad to get the ones I’ve planned finished tbh! I am half way through Clifford’s archers…then I have one more unit of archers to go with the above billmen. That will be Andrew Trollope chaps. I really couldn’t find if his guys had a coloured tunic….so I’m doing them in their own clobber. I may put the odd archer in a green and white one but otherwise they will be pretty vanilla. I deliberately popped a knight in the above billmen unit so it reminds me they are veterans.
I have probably overdone the points…having about 170. I read most people play with about 120….but I haven’t played yet so I’m not too sure! I have pretty much all the minis now to do the Yorkists.
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I have pretty much all the minis now to do the Yorkists.
As you had been doing only Lancastrians I thought you had a...Yorkie Bar. lol lol lol
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Oh dear! Keep taking the pills mate! 🥴
Ok, Clifford’s archers join the fray.
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I will get to dragons on their backs at a later (much later) stage once I pluck up enough courage!
Anyone, one more unit to finish the Lancastrians….but I’m beginning to dislike painting archers!
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Hi Digits, have been eyeing up some of that printed scenery for a while, but been worried about print lines.
How visible are they? You seem happy with them though. Some close up shots would be great if you get a chance.
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Actually pretty good. I have only applied a primer spray a5 this point…but as you can see, no real issues.
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Cheers fella.
I would be glad to get the ones I’ve planned finished tbh! I am half way through Clifford’s archers…then I have one more unit of archers to go with the above billmen. That will be Andrew Trollope chaps. I really couldn’t find if his guys had a coloured tunic….so I’m doing them in their own clobber. I may put the odd archer in a green and white one but otherwise they will be pretty vanilla. I deliberately popped a knight in the above billmen unit so it reminds me they are veterans.
I have probably overdone the points…having about 170. I read most people play with about 120….but I haven’t played yet so I’m not too sure! I have pretty much all the minis now to do the Yorkists.
170 is not too much for an evenings gaming, however, it's probably a bit big for a first game. You could split your force in two and play a solo learning experience. The game lends itself well to solo gaming if course, it's much more fun with an opponent
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Yup I was thinking I may paint a few Yorkist men at arms and personalities then do just that, cheers.
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Thanks for taking the time out to photo the building. The print lines are only faintly visible. They have some nice pieces in their range.
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No worries.
I decided to put together a couple of command stands and the men at arms that will represent a few standards for my Yorkists. As mentioned, I could then divide my force to try a little game or two.
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Decided to mix in a couple of earlier medieval types here…..my thinking being good Yorkshire men ( some of them anyway), they wouldn’t throw away good armour lightly! Lol
Anyway, getting paint on these and a last Lancastrian archer unit should allow me to start playing….
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The logic of, 'In the Kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is King'
An old bit of armour is better than no armour.
I'm sure that at the start of the English Civil war
a lot of rich families raided grand-dad's old clobber for protection.
:D
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I suppose the difference being at the start of the ECW…we had been at peace for a long while…whereas there seemed to be constant bloodshed somewhere or other leading up to the WOTR me thinks. Let’s be fair, we’d been sparring with French for a fair while.
However, I’m sure that some bits of cherished / expensive armour would have seen longer life than others.
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It’s a nice mix :)
The Perry plastics are terribly addictive aren’t they? lol
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I suppose the difference being at the start of the ECW…we had been at peace for a long while…whereas there seemed to be constant bloodshed somewhere or other leading up to the WOTR me thinks. Let’s be fair, we’d been sparring with French for a fair while.
However, I’m sure that some bits of cherished / expensive armour would have seen longer life than others.
Ah, but where there is fighting, equipment will be lost, and therefore need replacing.
Next time we meet up remind me to tell you the story of the squaddie & his pay packet in 1966.
:D
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I finished the last unit of archers for Sir Andrew Trollope.
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Which means, I have FINISHED a Lancastrian army (172 points)!!!!
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The Army looks great David, BUT...
can't help seeing those hedges & having horrible flashbacks to
thousands of German tanks, all firing at ME !!!! lol
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Impressive work! :-*
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Cheers fellas. Pete….maybe counselling would help? 🤔
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Pete….maybe counselling would help? 🤔
I had a chat with a guy who came onto the ward, he had
ivory handled pistols, and he slapped me!!!!
:D
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Jolly good job David, and done in double quick time. Well done 8)
If you're planning on using for Billhooks, it might be worth adding a mounted commander, 'cos light cavalry without a leader are of limited usefulness.
They move so fast (which is their point, to be fair :)) it's almost impossible for a leader on foot to keep up with them and thus keep them within his 12" command radius. And without someone to give them orders, they aren't a lot of use.
Just a thought, based on bitter experience of my first few games of Billhooks lol (before I learned!)
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Very nice!
The Perry, Crusader and Front Rank archers mix together very well. I've mixed the first two myself, but haven't yet tried putting Front Rank in there as well.... you've inspired me to give it a go.
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If you're planning on using for Billhooks, it might be worth adding a mounted commander, 'cos light cavalry without a leader are of limited usefulness.
They move so fast (which is their point, to be fair :)) it's almost impossible for a leader on foot to keep up with them and thus keep them within his 12" command radius. And without someone to give them orders, they aren't a lot of use.
Thanks for the tip fella…..I shall rectify that.
Charlie,
When painting them I wasn’t so convinced. Ranked together though they kind of work. Unfortunately, th3 Front Rank are bulky….and the Crusader have tiny hands….but we ain’t all perfect I suppose! 😉
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So now…I need Yorkists!
Here’s what I have in mind to do, including the Lancastrians I have already finished. Both adding up to 172 points. I will also be making a unit of mounted knights…more for kicks but that could give either side an interesting alternative.
Lancastrians
Main
C-in-C. Percy, Earl of Northumberland
Men at Arms
Archers
Archers
Billmen
Billmen
Vanguard
Leader. John "Butcher" Clifford
Men at Arms
Archers
Light Cavalry
Rear
Leader. Sir Andrew Trollope
Archers (Veteran)
Billmen (Veteran)
Artillery Piece with Crew
Crossbow Skirmishers
Yorkists
Main
C-in-C. Wlliam Neville, Lord Fauconberg
Men at Arms
Archers
Archers
Billmen
Artillery Piece with Crew
Vanguard
Leader. Sir William Hastings
Archers
Billmen
Light Cavalry
Rear
Leader. Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick
Men at Arms
Archers
Archers
Billmen
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Everyone seems to have a command tent and I found two like this in my bits box! Quick paint job for Percy. I will sort the other out for a Yorkist at some point.
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Lovely stuff!
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Grassy arse!
So, talking of grass….I have been preparing for a Yorkist army….so first up a few movement trays. Not the most exciting update….but it’s important for me mentally to forge a way forwards…
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