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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Cyrus1 on October 15, 2022, 10:58:26 PM
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I'm not on FB and was wondering if the cards and tokens in Never Mind the Billhooks Deluxe will be different to the 2020 version published? Do I need to buy both when it is released by Northstar? Thanks for insights.
Cheers
Cyrus
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You don't need to be on FB to read the Bill Hooks page Cyrus. I'm not and I can read it.
There will be additional material for each new conflict covered. So far as I can tell it comes as a complete package.
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You don't need to be on FB to read the Bill Hooks page Cyrus. I'm not and I can read it.
There will be additional material for each new conflict covered. So far as I can tell it comes as a complete package.
I think the amount of time that it's taken the Billhooks team (Andy and Steve plus WI and co?) to get to a point where the book is ready to publish is a likely indication of how thorough they have been. Billhooks was published during the days of the first lockdown, roughly two years back. I'm expecting a real treat in the next month or so. My eyes are pealed for that Northstar Newsletter!
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Thanks for the info OB and Atheling, will check the Billhooks FB group, really looking forward to the release!
Cheers
Cyrus
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Thanks for the info OB and Atheling, will check the Billhooks FB group, really looking forward to the release!
Cheers
Cyrus
It might be an idea to consider signing up for the Northstar Newsletter as I'mguessing Billhooks Deluxe will sell fast.
Should you chose to do so, you can do that here:
https://us5.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=addf114e407ae6b960460a70e&id=03fee180e2 (https://us5.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=addf114e407ae6b960460a70e&id=03fee180e2)
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If the printers do their job then Never Mind the Billhooks Deluxe (or Billux Dillux as we have come to know it) will be out by late November, together with all the new cards and tokens. It will be available from Northstar, Arcane Scenery & Models or direct from Wargames Illustrated.
The book will be a 180 page full colour softback, price £25 (also available as a pdf download, price to be confirmed).
Contents will be:
Core (WOTR) rules - updated from the orginal (2020) set. There will be only a very few changes of any significance, but a lot of re-writes and clarifications based on two years worth of helpful feedback. You can still use the old cards and tokens to play the game - but the new ones will be very nice!
Then there will be expansions to cover seven new "theatres and conflicts" from late medieval Western European Christendom, with all the appropriate additional rules, Special Events and troop types;
Gallia (Hundred Years War)
Bohemia (Hussites)
Helvetia (Swiss and Burgundians)
Italia (Italian Wars 1494-1525)
Northumbria (Anglo-Scottish Border Reivers)
Lusitania (Late Medieval Portugal)
Hibernia (Ireland)
Finally, there will be a modelling Masterclass chapter from our very own Captain Blood, sharing his tips on painting, making bespoke battlefield accessories and kitbashing 28mm plastic figures.
I know it has been a very long process (for everyone!) getting this major project to publication - but when you see the finished product I hope you will agree that it has been be worth the wait.
The Billhooks Facebook page is the place to go to post any questions about the book or the rules.
I'm looking forward to the new arrival and wetting the baby's head!
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Can't wait!!! o_o o_o o_o
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Sounds incredible,another one for the Xmas list
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I think the amount of time that it's taken the Billhooks team (Andy and Steve plus WI and co?) to get to a point where the book is ready to publish is a likely indication of how thorough they have been. Billhooks was published during the days of the first lockdown, roughly two years back. I'm expecting a real treat in the next month or so. My eyes are pealed for that Northstar Newsletter!
I can promise you ,it is a real treat!
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I may just get an army finished in time for its release!
Looking forward to it, can’t wait!
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I’ll get this.
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I can promise you ,it is a real treat!
Great to hear..... Wallet at the ready :D
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I think this will my Xmas present to myself this year.
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Hi Folks
We'll be taking orders from Friday
https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=16854 (https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=16854)
We'll also have the two new card decks and the two new token sets. (not listed yet).
It's looking very nice.
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Brilliant! I can't wait!!! ;D :D
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Got my newsletter this am…..pre order placed!
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Got my newsletter this am…..pre order placed!
Me too! I haven't been as excited about a set of rules being published in many, many years! :D o_o
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Me too! I haven't been as excited about a set of rules being published in many, many years! :D o_o
YEAH. Same lol
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YEAH. Same lol
It's gonna be the new craze (yep, grew up in the 70's) lol
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I'm planning an Irish Army, I think I'll regret it....
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I'm planning an Irish Army, I think I'll regret it....
How will you make that up? Aren’t they a bit less wealthy with no recourse to like all the Perry war of the roses stuff? I’ll be getting this I think through the Pit Gaming Shop you supply.
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How will you make that up? Aren’t they a bit less wealthy with no recourse to like all the Perry war of the roses stuff?
The Perry Wars of the Roses range contains many Irish packs.
WR 39 Irish Command
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-39-irish-command/ (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-39-irish-command/)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_2029.jpg)
WR 41 Irish Kern with javelins
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-41-irish-kern-with-javelins/ (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-41-irish-kern-with-javelins/)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_2032.jpg)
WR 42 Irish Kern with bows
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-42-irish-kern-with-bows/ (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-42-irish-kern-with-bows/)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_2030.jpg)
WR 43 Galloglass
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-43-galloglass/ (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-43-galloglass/)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_2031.jpg)
WR 44 Irish Kern with mixed two-handed weapons
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-44-irish-kern-with-mixed-two-handed-weapons/ (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-44-irish-kern-with-mixed-two-handed-weapons/)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_2166.jpg)
WR 45 Irish handgunners
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-45-irish-handgunners/ (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/wr-45-irish-handgunners/)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_2167.jpg)
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How will you make that up? Aren’t they a bit less wealthy with no recourse to like all the Perry war of the roses stuff? I’ll be getting this I think through the Pit Gaming Shop you supply.
Yes, we'll have the book for the Pit Gaming Shop, no worries.
The Irish. I've got all the Perry packs Atheling posted, plus all the packs from Antediluvian Miniatures (including these 4 beauties Andrew Taylor painted for me) plus the one pack of Kerns from Crusader Miniatures. My cavalry are not correct, they are Crusader Miniatures Dark Age Scots. What I might live to regret is lining my lightly armed Irish in front of English longbowmen backed by plate armoured Men at Arms.
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I'm planning an Irish Army, I think I'll regret it....
Likewise! Beforehand I was working on trying to make an Irish equivalent unit to all the unit types in the original Billhooks rules, so I'm definitely curious to see how the list will look in the new book! Plus any excuse to do some Burgundians from their list in the new rules is always welcome as well!
Getting a lot of mileage out of headswaps on the Perry and Antediluvian packs so far though! lol
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Using the Irish as 'proxy' figures for the English troop types might be a better option gaming-wise, but there is a Hibernia list in the book so I'll give that a try.
Getting 2 Gallowglass Units with 4 Kerns (you have to have 2 Kern per one Gallowglas), 1 'formed Kern' unit and a skirmish unit of Kerns with handguns, then one Irish Cavalry unit. 3 leaders.
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Using the Irish as 'proxy' figures for the English troop types might be a better option gaming-wise, but there is a Hibernia list in the book so I'll give that a try.
Getting 2 Gallowglass Units with 4 Kerns (you have to have 2 Kern per one Gallowglas), 1 'formed Kern' unit and a skirmish unit of Kerns with handguns, then one Irish Cavalry unit. 3 leaders.
Absolutely! The new list will definitely be one I'll want to try!
That said, I'll need to get to the drawing board for how to do the cavalry! That should be a fun conversion project!
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Using the Irish as 'proxy' figures for the English troop types might be a better option gaming-wise, but there is a Hibernia list in the book so I'll give that a try.
Getting 2 Gallowglass Units with 4 Kerns (you have to have 2 Kern per one Gallowglas), 1 'formed Kern' unit and a skirmish unit of Kerns with handguns, then one Irish Cavalry unit. 3 leaders.
Bang on! You may come a cropper facing any army with Archers but you will alway have fun!
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You could of course add a unit of Hebredean archers to your Irish host. It's what the Irish did. They shoot just as well as longbow men just not as many times. They are also effective in melee.
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Using the Irish as 'proxy' figures for the English troop types might be a better option gaming-wise, but there is a Hibernia list in the book so I'll give that a try.
Getting 2 Gallowglass Units with 4 Kerns (you have to have 2 Kern per one Gallowglas), 1 'formed Kern' unit and a skirmish unit of Kerns with handguns, then one Irish Cavalry unit. 3 leaders.
The Hibernia rules are quite excellent! Remember that Deluxe is written fior each region rather than as a list of armies for competetive play so the Anglo/Irish armies of Hiberniai are not the murder machines of the Albion section, far from it having few English archers and quite alot of locally recruited levy types. I think you should use your Irish as Irish and have fun with them
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The Hibernia rules are quite excellent! Remember that Deluxe is written fior each region rather than as a list of armies for competetive play so the Anglo/Irish armies of Hiberniai are not the murder machines of the Albion section, far from it having few English archers and quite alot of locally recruited levy types. I think you should use your Irish as Irish and have fun with them
Oh! Excellent! That's good to know
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The books are with us folks. (Not the card decks or tokens yet though). The publishers don't want books sending till the release date of the 21st, so we're going to get everything ready & they can all go out on the same day. Get you order in!
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The books are with us folks. (Not the card decks or tokens yet though). The publishers don't want books sending till the release date of the 21st, so we're going to get everything ready & they can all go out on the same day. Get you order in!
Cool. I'm happy to wait until everything is in as I think I might have got excited and ordered the whole lot :D
Would it be OK to put in an order for miniatures that could be sent prior to the 21st or would I have to wait until the 21st for said miniatures and the books etc?
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Send the miniatures order now, we'll sort it out straight away.
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Send the miniatures order now, we'll sort it out straight away.
Will do.