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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: nervisfr on December 14, 2022, 03:44:11 PM
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HEy guys,
I'm back to the LAF with a new Project but in a new era for me : WW1 ;)
I took advantage of the release of the excellent WW1 infantry boxes (German & French) from Wargame Atlantic to launch into this new Skirmish Project to play
with the FistFull of Lead rule in its corebasic rule version.
Here are my first conversions for testing the WA possibilities :
German Raiders
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52563569865_f51cf9e17c_c_d.jpg)
The left arm is from the WA resistant box.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52563390184_faff9497d0_c_d.jpg)
the shotgun and the bandolier are from Warlord and it 's only for fun that i put the gun in german hands.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52563390259_20a1010e76_c_d.jpg)
As raiders, i put to some of them, the gas mask hanging around the neck.
More to come soon
;D
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Good start. I'll follow with interest.
Any rule tweaks planned?
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Great start keen to see more. One can't go wrong with Fistful of Lead - had not thought of using them for WWI but thanks to you that is likely to change...
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Good stuff.
I too hadn’t thought of FFoL for WWI. But now I’m tempted!
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Great stuff!
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Looking good!
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Thank guys,
here is the way to make hanging gas mask :
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52562651092_7fb537135e_c_d.jpg)
and then a cutter work (you have a gas mask and a free helmet) :
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52562650982_944639f4be_c_d.jpg)
Good start. I'll follow with interest.
Any rule tweaks planned?
I use the core but i translate it in French and add most of the special rules from the supplements.
Plane and indirect fire are added too from the Viva Mexica supplement.
Now i try to add a barrage fire rules as an evenement to give players some trouble during a game o_o (i like to add some unexspected situation in a game ;)).
Last time, we play a game in Africa 1914 where a Lion was involved in the fight between German Askaris and Belgian-Masai force lol lol see here (https://lesnerviens.1fr1.net/t1228-afrique-1914-fistfull-of-lead)for a battle report.
German leader walking throught a brush and finding a surprise
(https://i.servimg.com/u/f79/17/77/62/17/img_5627.jpg)
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Now i try to add a barrage fire rules
Leave the Jokers in the pack. When the first one is drawn the barrage starts.
It stops when the next is drawn. You can keep it stopping & starting by
leaving the jokers in the pack.
As to the actual barrage I find it fun to give each player a D6 worth of
cotton balls. These they may lob onto the table. Where each lands is the
shell burst.
Last time, we play a game in Africa 1914 where a Lion was involved in the fight between German Askaris and Belgian-Masai force lol lol
We had a similar experience in one of our WW1 East Africa games. Animals were randomly
moved AFTER players had moved their figures. One poor player ended up mixed in with
the herd of elephants, not daring to shoot for fear of stampeding the Elephants. lol lol lol
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Leave the Jokers in the pack. When the first one is drawn the barrage starts.
It stops when the next is drawn. You can keep it stopping & starting by
leaving the jokers in the pack.
As to the actual barrage I find it fun to give each player a D6 worth of
cotton balls. These they may lob onto the table. Where each lands is the
shell burst.
We had a similar experience in one of our WW1 East Africa games. Animals were randomly
moved AFTER players had moved their figures. One poor player ended up mixed in with
the herd of elephants, not daring to shoot for fear of stampeding the Elephants. lol lol lol
For all the events, i will drive them by the Joker rules, of course.
* For a lone shell, it'll fall near the guy who play the Joker (for fun of course).
* Good idea for the cotoon balls :o Especially when you play with almost 6 players, with troops scattered on the table.
* a plane straffing the table.
etc...
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Interesting conversions. My one quibble is that I don't think the Germans ever used pump shotguns in the trenches. In fact, when US troops arrived with such shotguns, the Germans made diplomatic protests. From the History Network:
On July 21, 1918, German soldiers captured a U.S. soldier from the 307th Infantry Regiment, 77th Division, near Baccarat, France. He was carrying a weapon they had never seen: a Winchester Model 97 pump-action shotgun. On September 11, near Villers-en-Haye, the Germans captured a U.S. soldier from the 6th Infantry Regiment, 5th Division, who was also carrying a Winchester Model 97.
On September 15, 1918, the German government officially protested the use of the shotgun in a note verbale—an unsigned diplomatic note—transmitted to the Spanish Embassy in Berlin, then to the Swiss Embassy, and eventually to the American legation in Berne, Switzerland. The note asserted that the use of shotguns by U.S. forces violated Article 23(e) of the 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions and warned that any American captured with a shotgun or shotgun ammunition would be executed.
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Interesting conversions. My one quibble is that I don't think the Germans ever used pump shotguns in the trenches. In fact, when US troops arrived with such shotguns, the Germans made diplomatic protests. From the History Network:
On July 21, 1918, German soldiers captured a U.S. soldier from the 307th Infantry Regiment, 77th Division, near Baccarat, France. He was carrying a weapon they had never seen: a Winchester Model 97 pump-action shotgun. On September 11, near Villers-en-Haye, the Germans captured a U.S. soldier from the 6th Infantry Regiment, 5th Division, who was also carrying a Winchester Model 97.
On September 15, 1918, the German government officially protested the use of the shotgun in a note verbale—an unsigned diplomatic note—transmitted to the Spanish Embassy in Berlin, then to the Swiss Embassy, and eventually to the American legation in Berne, Switzerland. The note asserted that the use of shotguns by U.S. forces violated Article 23(e) of the 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions and warned that any American captured with a shotgun or shotgun ammunition would be executed.
As i writed, it's only for fun i have given him a shotgun.
Fun to protest against a simple rifle use when you use mass murder weapon like gas Moutarde/flamethrower . :o
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Say it's just a trophy gun, and count it as a smg pron to jamming because the guys isn't used to using it. ;)
Can't wait to seem them painted up.
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Say it's just a trophy gun, and count it as a smg pron to jamming because the guys isn't used to using it. ;)
Can't wait to seem them painted up.
something like that.
here is one of my german officer, in action pose of course (leg surgery) paint WIP
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52563569805_dfe0007d9c_c_d.jpg)
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I don't think the picture transferred over.
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something like that.
here is one of my german officer, in action pose of course (leg surgery) paint WIP
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/134805874@N02/52563569805/sizes/l/)
Yep, sadly the picture isn't showing up
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better with the picture ;)
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There it is. :D
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There it is. :D
And an another one :
Sturmtrupen officer (heroic pose) :
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52563569815_1c29a93c91_c_d.jpg)
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The french are coming !
Paint test wip
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52578320942_9f24868751_c_d.jpg)
;)
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Very atmospheric. Real character.
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love it, guess we could use an airplane or armoured car of any type
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I LOVE the super glossy paint job. Did you use contrast paint for that?
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I LOVE the super glossy paint job. Did you use contrast paint for that?
I work with only enamel & oil paint learned from Bill Brewer in the late 80s.
the glossy is due to the flash effect and the light on my paint desk. ;) ;)
and now some new Germans include a scratchbuid flamethrower
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52590057469_c9ac82f966_c_d.jpg)
French are coming
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Nice flamethrower
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Some Senegalese troopers
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/134805874@N02/52590057099/sizes/l/)
and a paint test
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and more Senegalese infantry for FFoL rules system...
Including a NCo as Leader of the team
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52590057099_58ca553d2f_c_d.jpg)
;)
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Liking the Senegalese
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Some French sentries
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52604373907_66e64e3088_c_d.jpg)
the one on the right get a german right arm with rifle and hold a scratchbuild pipe in the left hand.
;)
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The pipe adds character.
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and now, the German sentries ....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52604874286_d632471aae_c_d.jpg)
The middle one drinking is a WW2 Italien . I have no more German bodies :'(
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The Senegales are going to the basing step....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52613066533_94e15c5cc9_c_d.jpg)
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Here is some basing test for mud effect
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52624411471_542b903313_c_d.jpg)
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Very good indeed.
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thanks
with very few grasses spots to give some color . :)
a closer view showin the "humid mud" done with gloss varnish
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52624889223_cbbefd5e70_c_d.jpg)
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And now,WIP basing test for the German Raiders o_o
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52630874560_d2b8af5db9_c_d.jpg)
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your bases are very effective.
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i think so.
i'll add some grass but very few to give some color to the base
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I love the glossy finish on the figures. Is that from Army painter quick shade?
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I love the glossy finish on the figures. Is that from Army painter quick shade?
Not at all. :D
I paint wash technic with Humbrol enamel and oil. As per my master/Senseï Bill Brewer did.
This is the effect of the light for the pictures and the Tamiya X-19 "Smock" for a shading varnish effect. o_o
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Here is the German Raiders nearly finished...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52635898617_558df3dda3_c_d.jpg)
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Very nice raiding party - a lot of period character there.
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Very nice raiding party - a lot of period character there.
Thank you.
Have to work on the French Raiders now
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And now the frenchs
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52665634362_83cc69bf9c_c_d.jpg)
;D
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Nice!
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a test of glueing with baking soda and super glue.
it's work ! And very strong.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52738983060_71972a629d_c_d.jpg)
i'll make some other tests but seem to be a very good solution for some work on figurines etc....
some ideas of how it's work, right here :
https://youtu.be/NM2XCugQxHc (https://youtu.be/NM2XCugQxHc)
or
https://youtu.be/QWbaLuY7v_k (https://youtu.be/QWbaLuY7v_k)
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hey guys
If you want to see the French and the German in video
go to my blog, right here :
http://chti-reanimator59.blogspot.com/2023/06/le-re-animator-se-disperse-facon-puzzle.html (http://chti-reanimator59.blogspot.com/2023/06/le-re-animator-se-disperse-facon-puzzle.html)
and a lot of more fun stuff
Translate button is you friend too
Cheers
Eric
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i'm back for this topic.
i have just finished the French Trench raiders (aka "nettoyeurs de tranchées") as a counterpart for the german ones.
Will post as soon as it's possible. ;)
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the base are ready to receive the french raiders
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53060856474_627fa5fcf4_c_d.jpg)
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Cool! Nice and grizzled.
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I have just bought a box of the Germans (for WWI on the Doggerland Front), and your work with the Wargames Atlantic figures is inspiring.
Keep up the good work.
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thank you guys.
this is the purpose of that topic (and my blog too) ;)
The french raiders are ready for a pictures show
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here is a caroussel video about the French Trench raiders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBk4iTqGAhQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBk4iTqGAhQ)
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More are coming from WA !
The British are on the way
(https://wargamesatlantic.com/cdn/shop/files/WW1BritishBoxLarge_1800x1800.jpg?v=1688088949)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0078/4764/1186/files/WAAGW003_British_Back.jpg?v=1668617134)
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No officer figure, apparently - in contrast to the other sets which appear to have an officer on every sprue! OK, not a huge problem, as it is easily rectified from the numerous metal ranges out there. More importantly, no entrenching tool head/carrying case, which was worn across the buttocks (and gave added protection to one's posterior - ditto to the groin when worn by Australians, apparently) and is a serious omission. And the webbing only works for early war.
Just remind me, do plastics manufacturers consult anyone at all before designing these sets?
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And the webbing only works for early war.
The Great War is well out of my knowledge area, what webbing type is on the figures?
Way back when I was painting some Empress Interwar (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1439298#msg1439298 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1439298#msg1439298)), there was a discussion on webbing.
http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1908/carriers_etool.html (http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1908/carriers_etool.html)
On the other hand, Barnsley Pal Private Frank Lindley, in a reminiscence of going over the top at the Somme, wrote "We had our entrenching tools strapped low across our fronts. They should have been fitted at the back but we used to strap them across the front to protect our privates from a bayonet thrust or a piece of shell or owt." [Quoted from Richard von Emden's splendid book Boy Soldiers of the Great War, p.202.]
From their site:
(https://wargamesatlantic.com/cdn/shop/files/BritishWhite2_1800x1800.jpg?v=1688088964)
Looks a bit like an officer.
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/ww1-british-up-for-pre-order (https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/ww1-british-up-for-pre-order)
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Just remember to glue the packs on or alter the webbing at the rear. For reasons best known to themselves WA chose to depict the cross straps of the '08 webbing as H shaped rather than X at the rear. ???
Won't put me off though as I fully intend to buy some for various interwar projects.
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From their site:
(https://wargamesatlantic.com/cdn/shop/files/BritishWhite2_1800x1800.jpg?v=1688088964)
Looks a bit like an officer.
Not really, no. Officers wore a shirt and tie and had boots rather than puttees - or if they wore a private's coat (known as a "funk jacket") later on in the war, would have had a tin lid with it and probably carried a rifle as well. Sorry, but gluing a pistol holster - even one that looks capable of holding a sawn-off 12-gauge - onto a private's webbing doth not an officer make. As I say, not a problem for me as I have loads of early war GWM and Renegade officers to cover that particular gap; and my figures will represent 1914 British, so the complete absence of distinctive entrenching tool heads (whichever bodily part they were placed to protect!!!) and the lack of grenade-launcher cups on ANY of the eight rifles on each sprue (for just five figures - they really couldn't have converted just ONE of them???) won't bother me, either. If it does others, then they can find appropriate rifles in the Perry 8th Army set, you just need to trim off the attached shirt-sleeved arm at the wrist and attach the amputated hand to your BEF figure of choice; the missing entrenching tool head/cover will need Milliput or Greenstuff though. As an aside, I would trim down the straps on the separate gas mask cases as the current length leaves them hanging far too low on the body, where they would interfere with handling the rifle.
I could understand if such errors had been made in the interests of a compromise necessary to make the figures more adaptable and/or useable across a broader time-frame (bizarrely, this is the one WW1 set capable of replicating British and some Imperial troops across the entirety of the war, but is "limited" to 1916-18), but most of those associated with this set just seem to be down to poor research. Even the fact that the sculpts probably emanate from the US is not an excuse, since the AEF looked pretty much the same as the BEF when it entered the war.
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Just received my box of British infantry and then start the conversions o_o
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53372803483_8f289ce5e3_c_d.jpg)
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I built about one and a half figures before giving them up as a bad job and buying some Great War Miniatures figures.
Besides the issue of the inaccurate webbing and the missing entrenching tool blade, I found the figures too irritating to assemble. There is a identifying number for the left arm and the rifle but not for the right arm. This might explain the figure that looks like it had a run in with a giant spider where I tried to juggle a body, a rifle and two arms.
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WW1 is not my cup of tea but i think they fit very well for my project. :D
here is some new figs in WIP
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53372803408_58c221991d_c_d.jpg)
The officer is based on a WW2 Italian's body :o
The infantryman is running now . With a simple conversion, it's possible