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“Then the Philistines took the ark of God and brought it into the house of Dagon and placed it beside Dagon.”
Another 15mm Biblical construction.
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“Then the Philistines took the ark of God and brought it into the house of Dagon and placed it beside Dagon.”
Another 15mm Biblical construction.
This sounds very interesting. I was thinking of doing something in 15mm and western Asian as well but a bit later; perhaps a Zoroastarian fire temple.
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Good luck with this.
I look forward to seeing what you do.
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Yeah, good luck with the project. Definitely interested here!
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That should be interesting for sure! Two for the price of one; the Ark and the temple of Dagon.
Best of luck! :)
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I have to see how Dagon and the Ark turn out, cool idea.
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Very cool idea!
But will Dagon be lying face down with his head and hands broken off?
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But will Dagon be lying face down with his head and hands broken off?
Nah! That'd be 2 verses too late!
Actually I'm considering multiple Dagons. Partly because the expected 'fish god' is not Dagon, who was a grain god, so I'll inevitably end up doing the historical, small grain god and the Hollywood/evangelical huge fish god (already got 2 versions, 'though both with head and hands intact!) I'm keen that the House of Dagon can serve as the House of *Insert Pagan Deity Here*, so eventually, if not as part of this competition, I'll end up with various mix-and-match deities.
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Good luck - will be interested to see this in 15mm
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Dagon be praised keen to see this one...
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Thanks, all, for your encouraging comments.
A bit of background:
This build will be very loosely based on the Philistine temple at Tell Qasile in Israel. It is unknown which deity or deities were worshipped in this temple, nor, other than the Bible itself, whether the Philistines really had anything to do with the Mesopotamian god Dagon. However the Tell Qasile temple had a roof supports by two pillars, as did the House of Dagon in Gath which Samson deconstructed, so that’s close enough for my purposes. I shall be adding some bits, subtracting others and reshaping and resizing a fair bit to make a model which fits on a 300mm Sarissa Precision terrain tile and can be used (although if it ever is…).
Below is a link to an ancient blog which nevertheless provides some useful background, and I attach the most useful picture of the layout I could find, the site’s sign liberated from Wikipedia.
https://ferrelljenkins.blog/2010/07/29/philistine-temple-found-at-tell-es-safigath/ (https://ferrelljenkins.blog/2010/07/29/philistine-temple-found-at-tell-es-safigath/)
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Interesting.
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I look forward to seeing your interpretation of this.
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Will the construction be collapsible via the two pillars? ;)
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Will the construction be collapsible via the two pillars? ;)
Only if this bloke turns up...
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The closest I'll get to a plan, the layout drawn on the baseboard. It will shift a bit as I've not allowed for wall thicknesses. I've dispensed with the dwelling to the left, as eventually I want to build a separate house or three. I've also decided to make the secondary shrine a Temple of Astarte/Ashtaroth. (Well, the temple prostitutes have to have somewhere to work!)
It'll be built mostly from MDF and greyboard.
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Primary walls done, all mdf, mostly 6mm, because I wanted thick walls around the courtyards. Even wall heights thanks to a Proxxon table saw, perhaps the most useful tool I ever bought.
Shittim wood for the Ark of the Covenant ordered earlier today. These things have to be done properly!
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I love the non-evenness of the TF boards. How do you find them?
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Presuming you mean the baseboard, they're OK as long as whatever is on them has height, otherwise they tend to warp a little. It can be avoided with care, but as I have discovered to my cost it's difficult (impossible) to correct after the event.
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Promising start. After the last module I saw from you, I am watching with interest.
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Presuming you mean the baseboard, they're OK as long as whatever is on them has height, otherwise they tend to warp a little. It can be avoided with care, but as I have discovered to my cost it's difficult (impossible) to correct after the event.
That was what I was wondering. I am using 3D printed bases, which don't warp with glue but might with warmth
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A bit more progress. I intend to have a roof where people can stand and see/hear the rites in the temple below, mainly because the Temple of Dagon in the Samson story has people on the roof.
To this end I have built 'windows' to sit on the roof to both allow those on the roof to participate and to allow light in.
I have used Pendraken/Minibits dice frames as window frames, and sandwiched fine brass mesh between them, completing the construction with strip pine from W Hobby.
Eventually the main roof will have a hole and the window section a roof, but I need to place the inside roof supports first, so that the pillars are not holding up a hole!
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Those dice frame work a treat for the small windows. Very cool innovation.
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Thank you. So much easier than trying to cut multiple tiny pieces of wood with mitred ends. (At least, with accuracy.)
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Great idea, that! 8) 8)
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looking good
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Looking very good, indeed!
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Latest update:
Pillars, seating and bamah now done.
Roofs finished, still requiring stairs to get onto them.
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This is going well. I like the surprising irregularity achieved with orthogonal walls.
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Amazing progress! You walls give a real ancient feeling. Did you use plans of excavated houses as an archetype?
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Thanks, MDF is quite useful, as long as it's thick enough!
I used (part of) the plan of a temple unearthed at Tel Qasile, one of my earlier posts has a picture of the sign at the site, showing the layout.
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A tiny update.
Stairs allowing folks onto the roof (see Judges 16:27, though 3000 may not fit, and I don't want to paint them!)
Steps from 3mm thick 10mm square laser cut MDF bases from Fluid 3D Workshop.
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Very nice. Can't wait to see it done.
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Coming along nicely 8)
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Here we have the completed building, with added fig tree and chinchilla dust texture, before proper painting later today. Doors, idols, kitchen, altar, people, the Ark of the Covenant and, inevitably, some other stuff I've forgotten still to do, some of which I'll be permitted to show over the next couple of weeks.
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Looks great :)
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Nice 8) 8)
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Very nice build all around. Can't wait to see the paint.
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That looks very good :)
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That looks grand, looking forward to seeing the finished temple now 8)
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Thanks, all. It's the details I now have to do which I enjoy most, yet I'm never quite happy with, so the ego-massage is most welcome!
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Impressive piece of construction!
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Life has kept me busy so I haven't checked out all, but some, of the other competitors. Very nice to see another 15 mm build in the competition.
Really like, as others, the irregular saw tooth edge to your base. And especially like the use of those dice frames for the windows (which size did you use?). You may just have solved a long standing challenge I've had on an Old West build that has been stalled on the window front.
Overall looking very good and shows a lot of craftsmanship.
Now I'm off to Pendraken!
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Life has kept me busy so I haven't checked out all, but some, of the other competitors. Very nice to see another 15 mm build in the competition.
Big enough that my ageing eyes can see what I'm doing, small enough that everyone else has difficulty spotting how shoddily... lol
Really like, as others, the irregular saw tooth edge to your base.
Not exactly irregular, that's the beauty. Each 100mm of the edges are the same, and mirrors of themselves, so that they fit together, with an offset if required. Terrain Tile System, from Sarissa Precision.
...dice frames for the windows (which size did you use?).
7mm
Overall looking very good and shows a lot of craftsmanship.
Impressive piece of construction!
Thank you! :)
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Looks great but I am less convinced by the control tower looking bit which also looks more modern.
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...control tower looking bit...
Yes, I must admit that's exactly how it looks! I had similar, but less well expressed concerns. It will have to change, but I'm not yet sure how.
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Thanks for the reply on the size. Going to order some of all the offerings to create different sized windows from small cabin windows to store front types. Might not be a 'perfect' solution but will save me TONS of time. And maybe use some as 'frames' for doors.
As to the "control tower" issue - it may resolve itself before you finish but a simple fix might be to close in the central windows on each side. Having those smaller windows might make the difference.
Be interesting to look into windows from that era - I do believe they used some materials for windows way back then, maybe some sort of opaque glass or very thin shell. Recall reading something like that somewhere in the dim past.
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I think you are right about fewer windows. I shall have to determine whether it's better to change them or fill some in.
These have a fine brass mesh, but I believe that one of the glass alternatives in antiquity was the stretched and oiled skin of a bull's penis. :o lol
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A (very) tiny update. The Ark of the Covenant, correctly made from Sinai shittim wood, and the Tablets of the Law, from lapis lazuli (though from Afghanistan rather than Egypt).
Gold and cherubim tomorrow, if my ageing eyes have recovered!
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Now that is an impressive bit of detail using those mTerials. Well done.
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Good grief! That scores points for realism! 8)
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Thank you.
Good grief! That scores points for realism! 8)
I have had a Hebrew army for nearly forty years, and have spent a large part of that time, at least since the internet, looking for shittim wood to make an authentic Ark. It had to be done!
The dirt on said army's bases is from Megiddo, so authenticity may be a bit of an obsession...
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I have had a Hebrew army for nearly forty years, and have spent a large part of that time, at least since the internet, looking for shittim wood to make an authentic Ark. It had to be done!
The dirt on said army's bases is from Megiddo, so authenticity may be a bit of an obsession...
I hear & applaud you brother.
My Napoleon's base has a stone from Corsica,
My William III & James II, stones from the river Boyne, &
ACW Generals, ones from America.
I ask friends to bring back tiny pebbles from their holidays.
Still to do things like Volksturm (from Berlin), also
Great siege of Malta, fellow LAFer is out there on holiday right now.
:D
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I'm so relieved that I'm not the only one! My son often works abroad, so always asks if I want stones or dirt brought back, so I now have, amongst others, The Alamo, Hamlet's castle, various Macbeth sites and Culloden and my favourite of all, Roswell. He's off to the Greek islands soon, so I'll be able to base my Cyclopes.
Perhaps we should start a 'dirt exchange'...
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I'm jealous., especially about the Alamo.
Leaving a History exam (many, many years ago) there was the usual, 'Which questions
did you try?' My wargaming buddy (Steve O'Leary aka Oscar) like me had gone for the
war based ones, 'The one about the Alma..' 'Oh, I did that one too!' a classmate interrupted,
he then continued, 'Wrote loads about Davy Crocket, Jim Bowie & Santa Anna'.
lol lol lol
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PM me an address and I'll put some Alamo dirt and dried vegetation in the post. They used guns at the Alamo, so it's a bit modern for my interests! I have a solitary Crockett model to do when I can be bothered, and that's only to use the dirt! I've got loads of Kronborg Castle, if you want some.
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Tarnegol,
Just stopping by to say a big THANK YOU, again, for the tip on the dice trays as windows. Just got my order today - some of all the types and all the sizes - and they will really allow me to make tremendous progress on various projects stalled for lack of windows (and doors, can adapt for that, too). Some is a misdemeanor, really A LOT. Though I'm not sure how useful the corner pieces will be but I think I can use them, too. Very cool and inspired find on your part.
Now I really need to get back to my contest project soon. Life sometimes just gets in the way.
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That's a very neat build. 8) Looking forward to seeing the painted entry.
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Finished, photographed and submitted!
Best of luck to all who finished and commiserations to those who fell by the wayside.
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Here's the bit that didn't get shown properly along the way, the Ark itself.
Made, as instructed, from Shittim wood. (It has taken me over twenty years to find some!) Cherubim are N gauge model rail cats with cigarette paper wings. All gold leafed, with a bit of paint to fill the missed bits and tone it down a little.
And, of course, the contents of the Ark. The Tablets of the Law, made according to tradition from lapis lazuli, and rectangular rather than round-topped. A jar of manna from the time the tribes were wandering in the desert (Essex Miniatures) and Aaron’s rod, made, as it should be, from Almond wood. (Courtesy of a guitar plectrum).
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Astounding dedication squire, well done.