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Other Stuff => Workbench => "Build Something" Contest => Topic started by: Mick_in_Switzerland on January 27, 2023, 02:16:11 PM
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I don't have much time for the BSC this year because I will be travelling for about 4 weeks, some business, some holiday.
I have 28mm Swiss and Burgundian armies and a small church would be a useful and appropriate piece of scenery.
It will be quite small but may include a walled compound like this drawing of St Jacob an der Birs.
I plan to make card templates and then cut the walls out of XPS foam using a Proxxon Thermocut.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/St._Jakob_Tschachtlan.jpg/1440px-St._Jakob_Tschachtlan.jpg)
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Good luck with this.
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Good luck - after your entry last year, I’m expecting you to build the mountain for it to sit on as well ;)
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Hang on, is that the one in the foreground, or the one in the background? :o
This is going to be something.... 8)
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Very interested in this project - good luck.
I was VERY fortunate to have John Boadle make me one many years ago - based on this very image - there are some pics here: https://handbuilthistory.blogspot.com/search/label/Switzerland
Simon
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Thank-you everybody.
@Vanvlak
I plan to do the church in the foreground which has 3 side windows and a tower.
I will also do some walls and maybe also the small gatehouse.
Here is the church as it is today and a short history (in German).
https://st.jakobskirche.ch/historisches (https://st.jakobskirche.ch/historisches)
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Cool; I don't know of many defensible churches (only the Albi cathedral), so this shoild be interesting!
Best of luck :)
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Love the source and good to see a historical entry. If it is going to look anything like the picture then it is going to be cracking.
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I have been looking at Swiss churches to interpret the medieval drawing.
This one in Graubunden dates to 1400 and has a similar tower. there are more pictures in the link.
https://www.valsurses.ch/de/ausflugsziele/kirche-st-peter-mistail (https://www.valsurses.ch/de/ausflugsziele/kirche-st-peter-mistail)
(https://www.valsurses.ch/sites/all/files/styles/hero_detailpage_large/shared/discover.swiss/images/img_4kq_bhacigff.jpg?h=69f2b9d0&itok=Dj50KTq5)
The church of St Jacob in Sissach, near to Basel provides some inspiration for the outer walls and tower. Note the two angled roof of the large house which flares at the bottom.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Sissach-Pfarrkirche.jpg/800px-Sissach-Pfarrkirche.jpg)
This church in Egliswil has a similar hall shape and colour to the medieval drawing. I also like the roof shape with the slight flair at the bottom.
(https://kirche-seengen.ch/images/Gallery/IMG_1856.jpg)
(https://kirche-seengen.ch/images/Gallery/IMG_1882.jpg)
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I have been searching for components.
Most things will be built with XPS foam, but I looked for window frames and roof tiles.
Shifting Lands have a perfect set of window frames.
I nearly bought them today for €7.50 but the postage was a whopping €27.50, so I will make my own, or look for a suitable STL.
https://shop.shiftinglands.com/windows/129-church-basic-window-set.html (https://shop.shiftinglands.com/windows/129-church-basic-window-set.html)
I found this STL which will probably work.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5499710 (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5499710)
I have ordered some plasticard roof tile sheets from Green Stuff World. These are €3.50 per sheet and postage was reasonable.
https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/textured-sheets/157-abs-plasticard-roof-tiles-textured-sheet-a4.html (https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/textured-sheets/157-abs-plasticard-roof-tiles-textured-sheet-a4.html)
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A great idea and useful for many periods.
I love swiss architecture and had the privilege of taking part in many re-enactments in Switzerland in the past.
Look forward to the build.
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Lovely.
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I wrote to Shifting lands about the high cost of postage (€27.50) and they did a special deal of Euro 7.50 for the postage of a pack of windows.
I have ordered them.
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Oh that's nice. Reminds me a little of the European church that Grimm built for me.
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Thank-you everybody.
@Vanvlak
I plan to do the church in the foreground which has 3 side windows and a tower.
I will also do some walls and maybe also the small gatehouse.
Here is the church as it is today and a short history (in German).
https://st.jakobskirche.ch/historisches (https://st.jakobskirche.ch/historisches)
Thanks - it's older than I thought too! Looking forward.
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I have made a mock-up of the church using white cardboard and masking tape.
I have drawn on the windows and doors with a black Sharpie pen. The roof is corrugated card left over from my Hue Citadel build.
This is my first step to get the size and shape of the buildings. The figures are Perry 28mm.
I am fairly happy with the wall heights and overall building size.
I will recheck this when the plasticard roof sheets arrive as it will be easiest if I match the roof to the sheet width.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52667900927_20c88f9c5a_o.jpg)
The height of the windows is going to be quite important to make it look right. The side windows on both buildings need to be lower.
Again I will have to check if the Shifting Lands windows work - if not I have to scratch build some or find an STL that I can adjust and print.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52667900937_7528401598_o.jpg)
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Good & fast start there.
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Thank-you
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Whoa, that was fast! This will look good :-*
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This afternoon, I got my Proxxon Thermocut 230E out of its box and reassembled it.
I decided to build the walls and both buildings quite quickly so that I could check out the ideas.
I used an old piece of XPS foam and some corrugated cardboard.
It was also good to practice with the cutter again.
Everything was put together with hot melt glue.
This is the result after about three and a half hours.
The outer defensive walls are 10mm thick and 55mm high with tiled tops.
The inner ramparts 20mm thick and 30mm high to work with 28mm crossbowmen and hand gunners.
Thee gate house is 90mm wide 110mm deep and 100m high.
The doorway is big enough for a horse and cart.
The church is 140mm wide 170mm deep and 160m high. I might reduce the height - what do you think?
The church tower is 45mm square and 310mm high. Here again, I might reduce the height.
This will all get remade very carefully when I have the roof tiles and windows.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52670793495_0c68bd7e75_o.jpg)
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Looking good :)
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Excellent progress.
The church height looks fine in your photo. Unless it overpowers the tower I would leave it at 160mm.
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I think the church will look better when I have the "bonnet roof" with a 45 degree pitch for the upper part and 35 degrees for the lowest quarter.
I think this will make it look Swiss.
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Gosh that already looks lovely - excellent progress.
I had better get cracking...
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Oh wow, that looks fine already! :-*
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Progress will slow down a lot soon.
I will go to Taiwan from 10th to 18th February, so I won't be doing a lot for about two weeks.
I may have a play with textures this week and hopefully the windows and roof tiles will arrive.
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Yesterday I experimented with adding textures to the prototype walls. Note this is not the final build.
The grey wall and rampart are XPS which have been textured with Green Stuff World texture rollers.
The rampart is done with the 28mm flagstone and the walls are done with 28mm cobblestones.
Note that the texture works best on smooth (hotwire cut) surfaces but badly on the sawn sheet upper wall.
The white wall front was textured with the cobblestones roller and then rendered using artist's coarse sand texture medium.
I painted the stones grey and used diluted Vallejo Xpress black as a black wash.
I am away on a business trip from Friday for a week, so it will be a while until the next update.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52677376530_0084fa7483_o.jpg)
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Here is a quick update before my trip to Taiwan.
The plasticard roof tile sheets from Green Stuff World have arrived and are very good.
https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/textured-sheets/157-abs-plasticard-roof-tiles-textured-sheet-a4.html
The Shifting Lands church window frames have also arrived but they look too small in comparison with my prototype church.
https://shop.shiftinglands.com/windows/129-church-basic-window-set.html
I have bought a new fence for my Proxxon - this has only been launched in the past few weeks.
It arrived yesterday and it looks like it will be much better than the Lego brick fence I have now.
English Link
https://www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/27078.php (https://www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/27078.php)
Lots to play with when I get back.
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I have bought a new fence for my Proxxon - this has only been launched in the past few weeks.
It arrived yesterday and it looks like it will be much better than the Lego brick fence I have now.
English Link
https://www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/27078.php (https://www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/27078.php)
Lots to play with when I get back.
That new Proxxon fence looks sweet, might have to get me one, if I can find a Canadian supplier
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I am back after my Taiwan trip.
Last week I experimented with the new fence for the Proxxon and made all of the compound walls and the church tower.
The pieces were skinned and then textured with rollers.
The MDF windows from Shifting Lands look far too small of this size of model so I found an STL of a Romanesque Window and printed a set of windows.
This was a task in itself as it is a long time since I last used the 3D printer and the first two sets failed.
I thought about it and made a new layout with the windows at 45 degrees to the bed but starting at the outside edges.
This layout worked.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52727694455_be08378540_o.png)
I found the best way to fit the windows was to hold a scalpel vertically and cut in the foam using the window as a template.
This was much better than using the hot wire cutter.
Yesterday, I made the church roof and the gatehouse. The roofs have a double pitch.
First I made a roof with a shallow 30 degree pitch and then cut it off parallel to the floor.
Then I made a 60 degree triangle and glued it on top.
Both roofs were covered with plasticard rooftile from Greenstuff World.
The outer walls were capped with corrugated card as this looked much better than the plasticard.
I added magnets to the wall corners so that they snap in place and hold together.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52727262756_66b751e108_o.jpg)
In German they talk about a building completing the "raw build" and I would say that that is where this is up to.
There is still a lot to do.
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On Sunday, I rendered the outer walls and buildings with a thin layer of Coarse Sand texture paste. On Monday, I gave all surfaces a first coat of paint – white gesso on the walls, dark brown on the roofs and light grey on the stonework.
The whole thing is starting to look quite good but there are a lot of details that need adding. I have spent about 12 hours building and painting the project so far.
Over the next week or two, I will work on doors, windows, roof woodwork etc and a simple interior for the church.
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That is looking impressive. The new windows worked a treat.
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Great start! Looks very promising!
The roof is corrugated card left over from my Hue Citadel build.
Do you have a link where I can see this build?
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@LordOdo
My Vietnam project is here
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=123801.60 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=123801.60)
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@LordOdo
My Vietnam project is here
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=123801.60 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=123801.60)
Thanks! Very pretty recreation of Hue, makes me even more curious to the final version of your Swiss Church!
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I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Wednesday so have made a special effort to finish this before I go.
Here are the doors for the gatehouse. These are plasticard which has been scratched to create woodgrain.
They are mounted on a thin piece of XPS foam and they slot in behind the doorframe. This is easier than making opening doors.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52755390395_ce9a249812_o.jpg)
I bought a pack of MDF crosses and a pack of round beads. The bead is drilled through and has a plasticard round rod on it.
The steeple has a matching plastic tube so that the cross is removable and turn-able. This is important because the crosses break easily.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52754984181_9e842379e4_o.jpg)
You can see through the windows wo I made a very simple interior.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52755473168_a0ac57573c_o.jpg)
The whole thing was painted over the past week and submitted a few minutes ago.
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Nice! looking forward to the finished pics, and Happy Holidays!
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Safely received, first one in.
It's good to be BSC coordinator :D
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A nice build. Look forward to seeing the painted entry. I hope you enjoyed your holiday :)
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Here is the finished church.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53551177286_193d142ac8_h.jpg)
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Very Nice! Happy to see that you could finish this.
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Amazing! Great to see something finished after all this time
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Lovely work Mick! :-*
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Nicely done.