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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Rich H on February 07, 2023, 07:39:47 PM

Title: T-64
Post by: Rich H on February 07, 2023, 07:39:47 PM
Finally managed to finish this thing...  its taken a while!
T-64 in various mod states for Empress
Still a few tweaks needed and another mod needed too...
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 07, 2023, 07:42:12 PM
Very cool.
With the flip out shields!
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Rich H on February 07, 2023, 07:44:04 PM
Great in a frontal assault I guess... but not going to last long in woods!
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 07, 2023, 09:50:45 PM
Great in a frontal assault I guess... but not going to last long in woods!
Too true, or down narrow lanes.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: CapnJim on February 08, 2023, 01:43:00 AM
As an M1 tank platoon leader in West Germany in the mid-80s, I could never figure out what purpose having them swing out like that served.  You still aimed center-mass, and still hit the tank itself...and as mentioned above, it opened up its flank...heck, I still can't figure out its purpose...oh well.  Color me daft perhaps...
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 08, 2023, 02:24:49 AM
Very nice! Been waiting for this.

Will we get the resin-fabric side skirts and Tucha smoke dischargers as options for those of us who want a more 1980s looking vehicle?
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 08, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
Oops closer look at the first drawing shows the smoke dischargers.  My bad.

If you include the GTN-12 antenna box as an optional extra, then it can be modelled as a T-64B, with the gun-missile system. probably not the hardest thing to create with plastic card even if you don't
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 08, 2023, 02:39:03 AM
As an M1 tank platoon leader in West Germany in the mid-80s, I could never figure out what purpose having them swing out like that served.  You still aimed center-mass, and still hit the tank itself...and as mentioned above, it opened up its flank...heck, I still can't figure out its purpose...oh well.  Color me daft perhaps...

Not daft at all. I think they were meant to provide a standoff screen against HEAT projectiles from a three-quarter frontal hit to the sides. Seems like an overly complex solution to a relatively insignificant problem but then over-engineering tanks is hardly a Russian only thing. Apparently they fell off or were ripped away at an alarming rate in service, hence their replacement with the side skirts.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Rich H on February 08, 2023, 07:00:24 AM
Oops closer look at the first drawing shows the smoke dischargers.  My bad.

If you include the GTN-12 antenna box as an optional extra, then it can be modelled as a T-64B, with the gun-missile system. probably not the hardest thing to create with plastic card even if you don't

There are still a few more bits and pieces to add.  It's been hard to work out what is what as they have been chopped about and modded loads of times!

Which is the GTN-12 antenna?
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 08, 2023, 09:02:11 AM
It's essentially a 'D' shaped metal box in front of the commander's station.

Here's a photo of one on a T-80. Identical unit, pretty much identical placement.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 08, 2023, 09:06:41 AM
And here's a side view on a T-64, albeit a BV version with the Kontakt 1 reactive armour fitted. No difference to the Kobra sighting unit of course.

Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Rich H on February 08, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
Ok so it's sat on top of the right hand rangefinder aperture?
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 08, 2023, 09:22:54 AM
Well, where it would have been. The coincidence rangefinder had been replaced by a laser range finder on the T-64B. They were fielding laser rangefinders by the early 1980s. At least that's what Mr Zaloga tells us.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: AKULA on February 08, 2023, 04:26:58 PM
Great work as always Rich  8)
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: CapnJim on February 08, 2023, 04:31:50 PM
My Russians only have a few BTRs and a T55.  I may need to get them an upgrade.... :D
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: nickdives on February 08, 2023, 08:45:20 PM
My Russians only have a few BTRs and a T55.  I may need to get them an upgrade.... :D

Re badge them as NVA and start again with the Russians.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 08, 2023, 09:27:06 PM
My BTRs and BMPs aren't badged so they can serve multiple masters. The T-55s on the other hand are rather distinctively outfitted as East German. At this point my Russians are served by a solitary T-62, so a definite need for reinforcement.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: CapnJim on February 08, 2023, 10:13:24 PM
Yeah, mine are rather generically marked as well.  Still could do with something beefier than a T55, I reckon....
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 09, 2023, 01:35:53 AM
These should be just the ticket then... until a T-80 comes along. lol
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: CapnJim on February 09, 2023, 04:23:29 PM
These should be just the ticket then... until a T-80 comes along. lol

Well, there is that.... :D
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on February 10, 2023, 09:05:51 AM
Already got the T80 in the vehicle pound.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on February 10, 2023, 09:57:53 AM
Here is a question for the learned.

We are making the early version and the early 1980's version. The 1980's version has the NSVT HMG on the turret. However this only came into service in the mid 1970's.

Therefore I assume the turret HMG was the DsHk. However cannot find any information or more importantly pictures of this. Not a surprise as the T64 during that period was hush hush.

Any of you clever people out there know?????

Luv you lots, Paul
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: carlos marighela on February 10, 2023, 11:26:14 AM
Here is a question for the learned.

We are making the early version and the early 1980's version. The 1980's version has the NSVT HMG on the turret. However this only came into service in the mid 1970's.

Therefore I assume the turret HMG was the DsHk. However cannot find any information or more importantly pictures of this. Not a surprise as the T64 during that period was hush hush.

Any of you clever people out there know?????

Luv you lots, Paul

Yes. In part that depends on what you mean by early. The original production T-64s didn't have an AAMG. Such things had fallen out of favour in the early 1960s as they were seen as being pointless in the jet age. The early T-55 and T-62 models were without an AAMG.

In the light of the Vietnam War and the emergence of helicopters as a real threat this was reconsidered. Thus the T-62 production line from 1972 onwards added a cupola with an AAMG and many of the earlier T-55's were rebuilt and retrofitted with such.

According to Zaloga, the Utes 12.7mm AAMG AKA the NSV was added to T-64A production from 1973. That makes sense as its general intro date seems to have been 1971.

So yep, NSVs for both models, unless you want to do the really early T-64 with 115mm gun.
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on February 10, 2023, 12:42:41 PM
Perfect  :-*
Title: Re: T-64
Post by: CapnJim on February 10, 2023, 03:32:05 PM
Yes - I have/will have quite the choice for an upgraded tank or 2 for my Russians...and that's just from what you folks sell... :D