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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: trev on March 20, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
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I assume many people got the email from Perry Miniatures yesterday showing off their new Napoleonic Ottoman range. A very lovely start it is too.
I used to be quite an Ottoman nerd and did a 15mm army years ago. I've always fancied doing an Ottoman campaign in 28mm though and Egypt seems top of the list with the nice Perry range being quite full now. Greek War of Independence being the other option, and I see there are some new figures for that now but I must try to focus.
Anyway, I've kept my hand in periodically, so have the two Chris Flaherty Ottoman books from Caliver and the nice Helion books on the British and French armies in Egypt plus some old stuff like Shaw, Crescent among the eagles etc. So what else is there these days on the Egyptian campaign and the Ottomans?
From the Flaherty book the Ottoman army research still seems quite confused, especially on the New Model units. I saw that Helion had done a new Bruno Mungai Napoleonic Ottoman Army book, so that's straight on order with high hopes. Anything else I've missed? Helion have An Egypt 1801 book by Stuart Reid and I saw there is a British Victory in Egypt by Piers Mackesy. Any good? I note there are a couple of Charles Grant volumes from Caliver on Napoleon's campaign in Egypt. How do they compare to the Helion books? They are a bit pricey for a blind punt.
Does anyone still have digital copies of Dragonman magazine? I used to have them all from magweb but they were lost in a hard drive crash. They had a nice Heliopolis scenario if memory serves.
Anyone wargaming this period now? What rules are you using? We mostly play Napoleonics with General d Brigade or General de Armee but they might be a bit big for Egypt. I'm not sure I want to do big units all in metal anyway. That will get expensive.
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170 views and no replies, so I guess this is still a pretty niche period.
The Perry figures of the New Order Ottoman troops are very nice and more traditional regiments are coming. The word is that they have been waiting for good source books to do this project. The Flaherty book (https://www.caliverbooks.com/bookview.php?pe5tsq60t3loq3ekie1hn5ree1&id=27555) from Caliver and Bruno Mungai (https://www.helion.co.uk/military-history-books/the-ottoman-army-of-the-napoleonic-wars-1784-1815-a-struggle-for-survival-from-egypt-to-the-balkans.php?sid=7e9c56bac3453a121e9c6518a955d773) book from Helion are those sources, so we can probably expect miniatures based on the images in those. Presumably some Arnauts, Mamelukes, Cairo Janissaries etc. given the Egyptian ranges they already do, but they have said they'll do figures usable for the Danube front too. Chris Flaherty seems to have been assisting with the research. Some plastics would be great but is probably hoping for too much. There are also already a few miniatures in the Sudan range that could be used as-is or converted, especially the bashi-bazouks.
For scenarios and wargaming there is a Napoleonic Scenarios 4 (https://caliverbooks.com/Partizan%20Press/partizan_NS_4.shtml) for General de Brigade. It comes with special rules for the Turks using GDB. Also there is the Wargamers guide to the Napoleonic Ottoman Army (https://caliverbooks.com/bookview.php?brae05fchti0o5v9kc5kl30b60&id=26343) which has more generic advice. None of the books above is a real Codex for the Ottomans though, so you'll still need to piece things together.
Some other useful figures can be found here
Trent Miniatures - Ottomans (https://skytrex.com/collections/ottoman-empire)
Old man's creations - Greek War Independence (https://old-mans-creations.mozello.com)
Steve Barber - Greek War Independence (https://www.stevebarbermodels.com/store/Greek-War-of-Independence-c36555078)
That's what I know anyway, all comments welcome.
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Brigade Games have quite an extensive range of Ottomans designed by Paul Hicks
https://www.brigadegames.com/Ottoman_c_348.html
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They do! Very nice Paul Hicks sculpts too, I think. Can’t believe I forgot them. ;D
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My focus is on the French Revolution period, from the Vendee to the West Indies to Flanders. I am doing this in 15mm with Blue Moon and AB. I am very tempted to do Egypt, and also the Austro-Turkish war.
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Nice, have you got any pictures? My daughter did the French Revolution for A level history and I helped her revise, so I'm a bit of a Jacobin now. :D
AB do some really nice Ottoman troops. I have some in my, now sadly neglected, 15mm army.
I've got some good details on some of the 1788 war battles in one old source and a modern academic book on the Bosnian militia. I always thought the Grenzer/Turkish skirmishing would make for fun games. There was a detail I read somewhere that Napoleon offered to help the Sultan fight the Serbs, even going so far as to offer to dress up his troops like Turks. That would make a twist to a scenario, if some of the Janissaries turn out to be veteran French Fusiliers. An alternative use for ACW Zouaves maybe.
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Matchlock miniatures do a range of 28mm Napoleonic Ottomans that look pretty nice.
http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=14&CategoryID=36&SubCategoryID=328 (http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=14&CategoryID=36&SubCategoryID=328)
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Would love to see a range of ottoman troops of the french revolutionary period ie austro-russian-turkish war
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Matchlock miniatures do a range of 28mm Napoleonic Ottomans that look pretty nice.
http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=14&CategoryID=36&SubCategoryID=328 (http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=14&CategoryID=36&SubCategoryID=328)
Doh! Of course they do. My memory is worse than my Search-foo. Thanks for the reminder though, this thread will at least serve as a list for others now. Those Matchlock figures are nice but sadly there are no variations.
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Would love to see a range of ottoman troops of the french revolutionary period ie austro-russian-turkish war
That would be nice and reminds me of another manufacturer. Maybe these are slightly too early for the purist, more c1700, but probably passable for the 1780s.
https://www.leagueofaugsburg.com/shop/products-subcat-57.html (https://www.leagueofaugsburg.com/shop/products-subcat-57.html)
https://www.leagueofaugsburg.com/shop/products-subcat-61.html (https://www.leagueofaugsburg.com/shop/products-subcat-61.html)
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I did some of this a while back using Rebels and Patriots-the cheap and cheerful approach. It might be of interest.
https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com/search/label/Mamluks
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Doh! Of course they do. My memory is worse than my Search-foo. Thanks for the reminder though, this thread will at least serve as a list for others now. Those Matchlock figures are nice but sadly there are no variations.
Yes you'd think they would have done a few head variations at least. Not that it matters once/if the Perry's do a full range that would be my go to anyway.
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I am more interested in the Ottomans post Napoleonic Wars, chiefly the 1840 Syrian campaign. In addition to the Paul Hicks sculpted Brigade Games range, there are also some useful 28mm figures from of all people Minifigs. Dunno how they scale up with others but the figures look quite decent.
http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=14&CategoryID=36&SubCategoryID=328
There's also a chap on LAF making figures for the Greek Wars of independence and quite a number of those cpuld be pressed into service as Albanians, Bashi Bazouks etc.
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=128797.0
Speaking of BBs, I just discovered that Perry do a small selection in their Sudan range.
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Dixons have a large Napoleon in Egypt range as well as some Ottomans(Bosnians etc). They are listed as 25mm.
https://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/napoleonic-wars-25mm/
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I did some of this a while back using Rebels and Patriots-the cheap and cheerful approach. It might be of interest.
https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com/search/label/Mamluks
Those are great. I've not played R&P but I like the other 'rampant' rules. My club mates are into big Napoleonics 24-36 figure units and lots of them. That will get very pricey and require a lot of painting. I'm not sure I'm that focused.
I did find this blog with some battles and a set of rules that uses smaller units but is not a skirmish game. Maybe worth further investigation.
http://stracmark.blogspot.com/search/label/French%20in%20Egypt (http://stracmark.blogspot.com/search/label/French%20in%20Egypt)
I am more interested in the Ottomans post Napoleonic Wars, chiefly the 1840 Syrian campaign. In addition to the Paul Hicks sculpted Brigade Games range, there are also some useful 28mm figures from of all people Minifigs. Dunno how they scale up with others but the figures look quite decent.
The rise of Muhammed Ali Pasha is certainly an interesting story. He arguably made a better fist of reform than the Ottomans did. Unfortunately, I think those Minifigs are old and true 25s. Unless you mean the newer Matchlock figures sold by Minifigs. The link didn't work for me, so I'm not certain.
There's also a chap on LAF making figures for the Greek Wars of independence and quite a number of those cpuld be pressed into service as Albanians, Bashi Bazouks etc.
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=128797.0
Speaking of BBs, I just discovered that Perry do a small selection in their Sudan range.
The LAF one is I think the Old man's creations figures I linked to above but they would make good Arnauts. The Perry Sudan and possibly the Muslim Crusade range has some troops that might be useful.
I found what happened to the Westfalia Persians too. They are now sold by Black Hussar Miniatures (https://blackhussarminiatures.de/produkt-kategorie/napoleonic-wars?lang=en).
Dixons have a large Napoleon in Egypt range as well as some Ottomans(Bosnians etc). They are listed as 25mm.
https://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/napoleonic-wars-25mm/
Thanks, I didn't know of them. Pity they don't have pictures.
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For what it's worth the Minifigs Ottomans are listed as 28mm and not as part of their 25mm ranges which have a dedicated listing. I understand they have branched out considerably scale wise since I last bought them.
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Regarding the Dixon range I acquired some samples last year and they are much smaller than more recent ranges. Emperor Toads Emporium may have some useful French and do produce a small range of nice-looking Mameluke cavalry.
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Yeah, I got a few samples of the Dixon's range and they're tiny, not compatible with any other ranges I own.
Will be getting the Perry Ottomans, but waiting a little until more skirmish poses are released. Unless I can convince someone I know to join the project, it'll be an all combatants project.
I'm hoping maybe a TFL supplement for Napoleon in Egypt for SP2 will be released.
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Buried deep in Andy Grubb's Britannia Miniatures small 28mm Napoleonic range are some Mameluke cavalry, unusually for modern times cast in one piece (so rider and horse combined). Slightly old-fashioned in looks, but modern sized and full of character. Only a few French infantrymen to pit against them though.
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Emperor Toads Emporium may have some useful French and do produce a small range of nice-looking Mameluke cavalry.
Those look pretty good. The revolutionary wars stuff is good too. They have a deal on for the Mamelukes today.
https://emperortoadsemporium.co.uk/store/product/mamelukes-charge-charge (https://emperortoadsemporium.co.uk/store/product/mamelukes-charge-charge)
Buried deep in Andy Grubb's Britannia Miniatures small 28mm Napoleonic range are some Mameluke cavalry, unusually for modern times cast in one piece (so rider and horse combined). Slightly old-fashioned in looks, but modern sized and full of character. Only a few French infantrymen to pit against them though.
Are they still in business? They didn't deliver my last order or answer my enquiries.
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Doh! Of course they do. My memory is worse than my Search-foo. Thanks for the reminder though, this thread will at least serve as a list for others now. Those Matchlock figures are nice but sadly there are no variations.
And they are huge. Don’t mix well with Brigade, Perry or Trent Miniatures...
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And they are huge. Don’t mix well with Brigade, Perry or Trent Miniatures...
Good to know. Saved me a quid there then.
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And they are huge. Don’t mix well with Brigade, Perry or Trent Miniatures...
That is disappointing
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Of course there are also the 28mm old glory ottomans in their “decline….?” Range. There are great pictures of this range used for the 1806 russian-turkish war
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Good to know. Saved me a quid there then.
I’ll do some comparison pics when I’m back from my hols...
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I’ll do some comparison pics when I’m back from my hols...
Thanks
Of course there are also the 28mm old glory ottomans in their “decline….?” Range. There are great pictures of this range used for the 1806 russian-turkish war
Ah yes! Another one I knew about but forgot. Thanks for the reminder. The pictures on the web site are not good but I have seen the figures painted up nicely. I think there was a big battle on the Lonely Gamers blog. That now appears to be gone. It was on Elite Miniatures AU more recently but that seems down now as well.
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Larger pic click here (https://thumbs-eu-west-1.myalbum.io/photo/180/94879691-e21d-4650-a932-79f915f9d37a.jpg)
Now that I look at the Trent figures next to the Matchlock ones, there is less difference in height than I remembered (about 1mm to eye level.) They are also chunky enough to work with them (and a big hat helps!) The chap half painted is an Old Glory figure from one of the command packs.
What I have called Castaway Miniatures (2. and 3.) should read "Casting Room". These are the second rate figures that Foundry wants to disown but also sell to people! They are a bit Hollywood over historic in style but I quite like them. Not sure if they are currently available online but I have seen them in their Newark shop and occasionally at shows.
The two Perry sculpts are from the Sudan range (5.0 ) and the Napoleonic range (6.) I have also converted Perry plastic ACW Zouaves into generic Ottoman infantry for the mid 18th C. I expect it would be a bit more appropriate for later armies...
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Hi Adam,
Sorry for the slow response, I missed your excellent update. That's great detail and really helpful, thanks. I've got some of the Trent figures but hadn't painted them, so didn't realise how big they were. That's disappointing. They look to go well with the Matchlock size-wise though. I have some of the other manufacturers on order. I'll do a comparison shot when they arrive.
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To be fair I’m probably less worried than some about mixing sizes of figures, if the styles don’t clash too badly.
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This unit has Warfare, Redoubt and Matchlock figures together in the command stand...
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To be fair I’m probably less worried than some about mixing sizes of figures, if the styles don’t clash too badly.
My sentiments exactly. Just say the chap with the flag is just a tall fellow! ;)
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Possibly a new opponent for the Perry Ottomans Steve Barber has just started a range of Napoleonic Serbians so if the range grows that opens up the possibility of the 1st Serbian Uprising as a gaming choice.
https://www.stevebarbermodels.com/store/28mm-Serbian-Napoleonic-infantry-marching-p552027887 (https://www.stevebarbermodels.com/store/28mm-Serbian-Napoleonic-infantry-marching-p552027887)