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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: RJ on October 29, 2009, 08:11:32 AM
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Hi guys,
been painting some 2000AD figures and reading the comic and im really interested in the possibility of creating some form of Rogue trooper game.
But...
Im struggling to find some of the figures. Ive sorted the G.I's i think. Going to go with the copplestone marine fellows without shirts. Kevin Dallimore did some excelent paintwork on these to make them look like G.I's and it was very inspiring:
http://www.kevindallimore.co.uk/MODELS/SF/pages/FW007%20COL.htm
Im really stuck with the NORTS and SOUTHERS though. Ive looked at Pig iron and the Kolony guys would be excelent if they didnt have greatcoats.
So im throwing it out there, Does anyone know of any minis that could pose as my NORTS and SOUTHERS?
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I won't post any pictures, but have a look at these, under 32mm sci-fi adventurers:
http://www.bronzeagemin.com/miniatures_html/25MM/SCI-FI/Mercs/28mm-Sci-Fi-Adv.htm
;)
Foundry also do a Southerner, and have a sale on.
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I agree with akky :)
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The Bronzeage ones are very nice.I have all of the ones released so far.David has done a very good job on them.Hope he does a few more.
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I agree with the Bronze age ones for GIs, but as for regular Souther troops, I can't think of anything off hand.
I do however remember having a conversation with someone on here about how some of the old VOR Neo Soviet models from Ral Partha would make good Norts (possilbly with minor conversions).
https://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/sp_16741.html
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I know it's a stretch, but maybe the new sci-fi troopers from Woodbine/Gripping Beast would work for Southers?
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=13783.0
(http://www.grippingbeast.com/photos/scifi11.jpg)
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Great Idea!!! Good luck.
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Thanks for the ideas all,
Earther, the woodbine guys are a great idea, definately more 2000AD looking than pig iron. I would prob use them as Norts rather than southers though. I could make the visors have to eye sockets rather than the single face plate.
Akula, ive looked at the foundry models of course (im painting some now) but i dont have the cash to pay £3 - £5 each and they dont do enough variant poses for what i need
For vehicles i was going to go with Old Crow - Awesome range of sci fi vehicles.
Anyone got any more ideas? Also rulesets?
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Sounds like a great idea, Rob! With your painting skills, it's going to look great on the table too.
As regards rules - it depends on the level of engagement you're thinking of. Is it going be a skirmish game, with a handful of models, or something big, or something in between? For a skirmish game, perhaps Necromunda? I know a lot of people on the forum have modified the rules for all sorts of games. Others swear by the Combat Zone rules, which I have, and have read, but haven't played. The lack of a campaign system in Combat Zone - at least a detailed one like in Necromunda or Legends of the Old West - is the only thing I have a problem with. I suppose for you it depends on whether you actually want a campaign system or not.
In any case, I'll be following this with a lot of interest, because I think it's an excellent idea!
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Too kind Hawkeye, thank you :)
im thinking of skirmish level really. 15 - 20 GI's vs 30 - 40 Norts and their vehicles.
Ive never heard of Combat Zone, il have to do some research. I dont want to use the 40k style of rules. Even though i like rolling buckets of dice i want this game to have a bit more depth.
Ive seen stargrunt and the Chris Peers future wars rulesets, anyone any experience with these?
Im really liking the woodbine design sci-fi models now, just wish there were more than 4 poses! :)
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Too kind Hawkeye, thank you :)
im thinking of skirmish level really. 15 - 20 GI's vs 30 - 40 Norts and their vehicles.
Sounds good!
Ive never heard of Combat Zone, il have to do some research. I dont want to use the 40k style of rules. Even though i like rolling buckets of dice i want this game to have a bit more depth.
Combat Zone´s not half bad. 40k I would advise against, since those do have the problem of not working properly with small units, as far as I´m concerned (although the new 40k is rather nice against).
Ive seen stargrunt and the Chris Peers future wars rulesets, anyone any experience with these?
Stargrunt is excellent, although you might find it a bit tedious at first. It does, however, do an admirable job of depicting company-level actions in a very "realistic" (from today´s point of view) way. Lots of counters for those. You can actually download the rules for free at Ground Zero Games´Download Page (http://www.groundzerogames.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=9&id=29&Itemid=50).
I´ve only seen CLA in the flesh. Judging from that and what I´ve heard, the future wars set could provide for a real fun game, with nice levels of detail, but the layout of many of the old versions left quite a bit to be desired.
Finally, if a bit of shameless plugging is allowed, you could adapt our Triumph and Tragedy rules, using the weapons stats as "count as" until I finish the Sci-Fi PDF supplement (cough cough). This works rather well with the number of figures envisaged by you.
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Wow, the Bronze Age minis look great! While I'm probably not going to run a Rogue Trooper game, I do like those minis and will have to get some! Thanks for posting the link!
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Thanks for the post Westfalia Chris!
I like the idea of adapting T&T.... My friend and i have just started playing with these rules and are really enjoying it.
Interesting to hear you are working on a sci-fi expansion, i think this will be very well recieved.
you will have to post up some of your ideas to get the creative juices flowing!
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Thanks for the post Westfalia Chris!
I like the idea of adapting T&T.... My friend and i have just started playing with these rules and are really enjoying it.
Interesting to hear you are working on a sci-fi expansion, i think this will be very well recieved.
you will have to post up some of your ideas to get the creative juices flowing!
Write me what kind of weapons you´ll need. I´ve already got most of the regular stuff, like automatic weapons, rocket/missile launchers, plus more of the exotic items, like robots, flight packs and stuff figured out, I´ll just have to pop it into a nice PDF and do some writing to finish it up. Totally unofficial, but I wanted to use T&T for my ABC Warriors project as well, apart from the Alterra 1 setting, so I did put some thought into it.
Apart from that, you could use the currently availabe rules for weapons to "depict" more futuristic stuff. For example, "elephant guns" as blasters/energy guns/lasers, and as a rocket launcher with an added small template.
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ABC Warriors...
would be so awesome to game the Volgan war. Im very interested in what minis you would be using (other than some of the Foundry ones of course)
I think you covered most of the weaponry. Automatic weapons, missile launchers, heavy blasters, different types of grenade, laser cannons. Also different types of vehicle mounted weapons like battle cannons, artillery etc.
Id be interested to hear what kind of ideas you had for robots and droids?
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ABC Warriors...
would be so awesome to game the Volgan war. Im very interested in what minis you would be using (other than some of the Foundry ones of course)
I´ve got the Warriors basically done (cf. http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=13529.0) and will probably settle for the "second Mars" storyline, so that´ll call for Terran Biohazard Marines (not determined) Clone Soldiers (probably Copplestone Future Warriors, with facial conversions), and maybe a Behemek robot tank. Love that "Merrimack on Tracks" look.
I think you covered most of the weaponry. Automatic weapons, missile launchers, heavy blasters, different types of grenade, laser cannons. Also different types of vehicle mounted weapons like battle cannons, artillery etc.
Id be interested to hear what kind of ideas you had for robots and droids?
Drop me a PM with your e-mail adress, and I´ll send you the PDF (which was further progressed than I remembered it, but sadly turned out too big to append - anyone else interested, you´re welcome, too). I didn´t add special rules for vehicle-mounted heavy weapons, since you could basically use the existing artillery weapons, maybe with some added gizmos for sensors and stuff.
Here´s a concept unit card I´ve done for the ABC Warriors, and I´ll do a similar blank version (without the logo) for general scifi use (and a suitable set of Action Cards, too).
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/Christian_S_1979/Modelling%20and%20Miniatures/2000AD/card_hammersteinsample.jpg)
Damn, now you really got me back into it. I think I´ll paint some Kleggs tonight.
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PM sent and eagerly awaiting what you have put together!
ive really got the bug now, and i promised myself i wouldnt buy anymore minis before warfare!
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Im really liking the woodbine design sci-fi models now, just wish there were more than 4 poses! :)
I know what you mean! I'd love to see more variety of troopers too.
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Just seen this on the 2000AD website.
Im sure any budding fan will have seen it...
http://vimeo.com/6865650
WOW
i cannot find anything to say whether this is going to be a tv series, a movie, a game or just a bit of fun.
All i know is that it was cool and inspiring :)
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Just seen this on the 2000AD website.
Im sure any budding fan will have seen it...
WOW
i cannot find anything to say whether this is going to be a tv series, a movie, a game or just a bit of fun.
All i know is that it was cool and inspiring :)
I´ve seen that one recently, too. From what I gather, it´s only a concept piece at the time being, but there might be more. I´d like to see more of that. Hope they don´t mess it up too badly and provide for a good story, too.
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Thanks for the email Christian, a very nice read and lots of work gone into it.
I really like the robot rules. I can see me adding a war droid squad for those pesky Norts! :)
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My love of all things Rogue was rekindled and I had an idea for a similar project after playing rogue trooper on the xbox a few years ago.
Rogue: best bet would be to create your own using catachan, cadian & space marine scout plastics, helm, gunnar and bagman you could easily scratch build/sculpt from the raw materials.
(Doghouse a mate of mine over at WIP forum did a Friday GI Trooper using this idea:)
http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=6127 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=6127)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01366_00.jpg)
(http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/rmilitia29store.jpg)
Norts: the idea of gashoods and packs would be very easy to do, either using forgeworld renegade IG or just sculpting up the gashoods and using half a flamer backpack per nort. (NAINNNNNNNNN!!!! :)).
May do this at some stage but probably not in the forseeable future.
Have all the titan print softbacks and the old Gamesworjshop board game so plenty of reference matieral.
Good luck
The Commander
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Nice little video.You lot are going to start me off on yet another project.
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Oh yeah and kolony ferrals as stammel riders, have the right rag tag look.
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I won't post any pictures, but have a look at these, under 32mm sci-fi adventurers:
http://www.bronzeagemin.com/miniatures_html/25MM/SCI-FI/Mercs/28mm-Sci-Fi-Adv.htm
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Foundry also do a Southerner, and have a sale on.
Norts are new, not seen those before. 32mm though and always a little 'leggy' from bronzeage.
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Anyone ever thought of dooing a 'Bad Company' game? Guess the models would be a little hard to come by...Kano anyways. Hope A.B.C. Warriors is made into a T.V. Show...the fan boy in me would wake up early on Saturday to watch it!!!
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still thinking about suitable models for NORTS and SOUTHERS...
While i love the Woodbine guys,ive been thinking about it and i cant get over the fact there are only 4 poses...
looking at the pig iron heads, how about the Kolony inner guardd heads with GW cadian bodies?
http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=14
would have to find breathing tanks for their backs though? and modify the weapons... any ideas on that?
The forgeworld renegades are awesome commander vyper but they look too chaos, would be perfect otherwise.
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(http://stevendenton.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/rogue-souther-colour-red.jpg)
Oh that's just great, you got me thinking about starting this up again!
DAMN YOU!!!!!
:D
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still thinking about suitable models for NORTS and SOUTHERS...
While i love the Woodbine guys,ive been thinking about it and i cant get over the fact there are only 4 poses...
looking at the pig iron heads, how about the Kolony inner guardd heads with GW cadian bodies?
http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=14
would have to find breathing tanks for their backs though? and modify the weapons... any ideas on that?
The forgeworld renegades are awesome commander vyper but they look too chaos, would be perfect otherwise.
Go for different factions within the Nort forces:
Chem-sisters
Dust Devils
EMP troops
Infantry
Kashan Legions (Nordland's Elite)
Kashar Legions (Nort warriors)
Lazooka troops
Mortar troops
Nagan Legions (Penal troops)
Navy Sergeant
Undercover Poison-Pollution Agents, known to the Southers as Filth Columnists
Sailors
Scum Legions (Formed by Admiral Torpitz and disbanded after the Fort Neuropa Campaign)
Scum Marines (Named after the Scum Sea)
Sergeants
Shotgun troops
Snipers
Space pirates
Sun Legions (Hang glider troops)
Stammel Riders
Vroogmen (Divers)
Snow troopers
Various Genetic Experiments
Plenty to chose from. I would try GS'ing a good hood head and then cast it up in resin, be perfect for classic 'look'. Never really liked the inner guard heads but could see how they would work though with a little bit here and there. Erm a few other options, (a little cross over from my Halo project) but metal space marine scouts are cheap as on ebay, fully enclosed suits,amours nice and with a headswop the possibilities are endless, (take alook at my Halo thread for some scout shots).
The Commander
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Bronze age has the nort's too :)
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Oh that's just great, you got me thinking about starting this up again!
DAMN YOU!!!!!
:D
:) sorry
Im going to try the inner guard heads on cadians, i think they will look the part when painted up apropriately. Plus they will be the cheaper option with not a huge amount of converting. Not sure what to use for the cannisters on their backs?
I really dont want to do much sculpting / greenstuffing - id much rather stick bits together and see what i get! :)
Thanks for the list of different troops, im starting with the basic infantry and going from there.
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Bronze age has the nort's too :)
Norts are new, not seen those before. 32mm though and always a little 'leggy' from bronzeage.
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lol
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Posted my First painted Foundry 2000AD mini here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=14102.0
Its not Rogue trooper but painting it has been fueling my desire to get this project up and running!
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https://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/sp_16741.html (https://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/sp_16741.html)
Vor Radtroopers might make for decent Norts too looking at them:
(https://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/images/40402.jpg)
???
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I have a few of these on my shopping list for whenever I finally get around to my Rogue Trooper project:
(http://www.ramshacklegames.co.uk/images/boring/big_boring.jpg)
Image from Ramshackle Games
The Norts use APCs awfully like these quite a lot in the X-Box/Wii game. I dont think that they featured in the comic strip (although Drill Probes did, but they were not APCs but weapons).
I think that the above boring machines look great and fit in very nicely with the Rogue Trooper feel.
I also picked up a few of these for use as stammel riders:
(http://www.princeaugust.ie/ebay/warzone/bauhaus_hussar_mounted.jpg)
Image from Prince August
The original Stammels in the comic were quadrupeds. In the XBox/Wii game they became bipedal. Like the Warzone figures above the video game stammels had only two limbs, so its a pretty good match I think.
The Stammel riders had a vague camel rider look to them in the comic, long scarves and the like. That look followed through a little to the video game stammel riders, but if memory serves the game versions looks a little more like regular nort troops.
The soft caps make the Warzone riders above look vaguely germanic to me, but I am no military uniform buff so I am not sure why. As I plan to use Warzone plastics for my Nort figures (with some form of backpack change hopefully) I think that the gas mask look works well.
That said, those VOR rad-troopers pictured above look really good to me...
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I really like these mounted guys, very inspiring.
The parts for my Nort conversions should be arriving soon ( although will be hampered by the postal strike...)
Also. nearly finished my Foundry Rogue Trooper mini. He wont be for gaming but its been great practice for the G.I. skin tone.
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Also. nearly finished my Foundry Rogue Trooper mini. He wont be for gaming but its been great practice for the G.I. skin tone.
If Rogue looks even half as good as your Johnny Alpha I am sure it will be fantastic :)
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Hey, I'm intrigued by this thread, but I know next to nothing about 2000AD or Rogue Trooper. How can a guy go about learning as much about it with as little outlay of money as possible? (I don't want to have to go out a buy a ton of comics, but I could do a couple graphic novels, or a "world book", or stuff like that.)
Are there multiple "worlds"? Or is Rogue Trooper just one story arc in the world? What is "ABC" - related to Rogue Trooper? (It looks cool!) Again, I know next to nothing about it all. (Why are they blue?)
I did find the main site (www.2000adonline.com), but it seems like you already have to be familiar with the "world" to get much out of it.
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Hey, I'm intrigued by this thread, but I know next to nothing about 2000AD or Rogue Trooper. How can a guy go about learning as much about it with as little outlay of money as possible? (I don't want to have to go out a buy a ton of comics, but I could do a couple graphic novels, or a "world book", or stuff like that.)
Are there multiple "worlds"? Or is Rogue Trooper just one story arc in the world? What is "ABC" - related to Rogue Trooper? (It looks cool!) Again, I know next to nothing about it all. (Why are they blue?)
I did find the main site (www.2000adonline.com), but it seems like you already have to be familiar with the "world" to get much out of it.
For a general overview, this wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_%28comics%29) seems to cover almost all. This page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_Universe) comments on the various crossovers. I must admit that I do not know enough 2000AD to give a verdict on the pages´ accuracy (it´s Wikipedia, after all, which must be the most badly peer-reviewed source ever ;)), but it looks ok to me.
I don´t think that the Rogue Trooper and ABC Warriors settings are really interlinked, since in the books I´ve read so far, there is no common baseline of factions (for example, in the ABC Warriors, it´s pretty much US vs Post-Soviet Commufascists, whereas the Rogue Trooper setting has a "North vs. South" division).
I recently got the first Rogue Trooper Collection "The Future of War" (after getting all the ABC Warriors books) and I´d say it does an excellent job of introducing the characters and the setting, although many details do not get revealed until later episodes. Really liked it, much recommended.
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Traditionally British comics have an anthology format, and contain multiple stories often with no direct relation to each other; rather different to the American model where each hero or story has their own comic. It would be as if Spider Man, Captain America and Daredevil all appeared in a comic called "Marvel" and their own separate stories ran separately in its pages (in fact the British-printed Marvel comics I used to read as a kid were exactly like that - They chopped up the stories from several Marvel US comics and put them together in a British-format comic).
So you get less of each story each week, but more variety. 2000AD is like that. Most of the various stories in there have no connection to each other (or at least started out that way). For example, as far as I know, Judge Dredd and Rogue Trooper do not exist in the same timeline or universe, any more than Captain Kirk and Luke Skywalker do. But some of the stories do co-exist in the same timelines and universes, and cross-overs do happen between these stories.
At the time I stopped reading 2000AD (about 20 years ago, blimey!) ABC Warriors and Rogue Trooper had no connection, but comic writers have a habit of creating convoluted storylines that bring characters together just because fans like crossovers; so by now they may well be in the same universe!
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pretty sure there was a Rogue Trooper/Judge Dredd crossover back in the mid '80's. terrible if I recall...Also, Dredd and Strontium Dog...which was mwdium at best. Crossovers usually suck.
I would say the best 'stuff' to read to get a handle on things would be;
Rogue Trooper...pretty sure that there are at least two graphic novels containig the best stories, from the start.
Judge Dredd...I've got the same stories in about 3-5 different comic printings...ah collecting! that said there are 13 graphic novels detailing that universe from the start...great sci-fi. The best ever imho.
Bad Company...an absolute gem of a war/anti-war story. Only one Graphic novel. Excelent art and cracking story.
A.B.C Warriors...pretty standard story but the art is great and the characters iconic...great for a tabletop game.
All this is my opinion and only that...there are thousands of great one-off stories and settings in the 2000AD universe. I find the new comic a bit meh but many of the old progs are fantastic...and usually quite cheep if you can find 'em.
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Thanks for the info! After reading about Rogue Trooper and ABC Warriors on Wikipedia I'm getting excited to get ahold of some of the stories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_Warriors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_Warriors)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Trooper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Trooper)
Those Wikipedia articles have a list of the available graphic novels. Almost all are available on the 2000AD webstore, but I also found some of them cheaper from a place here in the U.S. (about $10 each). I think I'll pick up the first 2 graphic novels from each series.
Greg
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Used to love 2000ad as a kid and was a regular alongside my Commando comics.
The Foundry figures are beauties but the price tag and my megalomania when it comes to buying figures would be suicide lol
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I recently got the first Rogue Trooper Collection "The Future of War" (after getting all the ABC Warriors books) and I´d say it does an excellent job of introducing the characters and the setting, although many details do not get revealed until later episodes. Really liked it, much recommended.
I agree totally with Westfalia Chris about this one: if you have to have one Rogue Trooper book then The Future of War is the one. The later books are not quite as good and the artwork is of variable quality (IMO obviously)
Regarding the ABC Warriors, Khronicles of Khaos is the "must have" book, followed closely by the follow up book in the series Hellbringer. The other books both before and after those two are fun but have in my opinion either dated significantly or were not up to much in the first place, although lots of fans still love them. Khronicles is the way to go with the ABCs.
Bad Company...an absolute gem of a war/anti-war story. Only one Graphic novel. Excelent art and cracking story.
I couldnt agree more about this one either. I bought it on a whim having read most of it as a kid and I found it to be a hell of a lot better that I thought that it would be. Bad Company just screams out to made in miniature form. There is only one Bad Company book too so if you have completist tendencies (and doesnt pretty much everyone reading suffer from that to some extent?) it involves one small purchase.
Playing miniatures games that include either Rogue Trooper, the ABC Warriors or Bad Company would be geek heaven for me. I really must make it happen...
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For the ABC Warriors, I'm either very old school (the original and still the best), or the reboot that came with the Nemesis Gothic Empire story or first post-Nemesis stand-alone series, The Black Hole. I've always found that Pat Mills's stuff tends to be pretty over-written stuff, so for me a lot has to do with the artwork. You've got some of the best on show here: for the Mars series you have ike McMahon (for my money, 2000ADs best ever artist), the awesome Bryan Talbot for the Nemesis saga, and then for The Black Hole, Simon Bisley popped out of the woodwork and we were all scratching our heads wondering where the hell all this crazy guy came from. I haven't bought 2000AD in years, but sometimes glance at it in the newsagent - I just can't get on with Clint Langley and that Photoshopstyle at all. Ugh, horrible!
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I haven't bought 2000AD in years, but sometimes glance at it in the newsagent - I just can't get on with Clint Langley and that Photoshopstyle at all. Ugh, horrible!
The Langley stuff leaves me cold too. Sometimes the colouring of his strips is nice but the storytelling is disjointed IMO. I think that its because the heavily (over) worked images dont really seem to interact with each other. While I am a fan of Alex Ross comic artwork, I think that as his stuff is essentially a collage of redrawn existing images it sometimes doesnt gel for similar reasons to Langleys stuff. The pages look like a collage of images rather than an account of some characters talking to each other or whatever.
Anyway, this is a little off topic so I will leave it at that.
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Dont worry about going off topic, this is all good stuff that keeps people thinking about the idea!
small update, ive recieved the heads from pig iron and the weapons from Heresy (great service from both by the way) now i just need to pick up a box of cadians and i can start constructing my NORT infantry.
Im very excited :)
Oh and ive finished my Foundry Rogue Trooper, will be posting pics this weekend.
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The graphic novels I found at a place here in the US are:
ABC Warriors - Meknificent Seven
ABC Warriors - The Black Hole
Rogue Trooper - The Future of War
Rogue Trooper - Fort Neuro
These are supposedly the first two collections from each series - in order they were published originally.
I hope to order them in the next few days.
And I can't wait to see the Nort infantry! For some reason I really like seeing what people come up with when converting Cadian figs. They're such a great "generic" sci-fi troop that just beg to be converted.
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Completed the first NORT trooper tonight.
Really isnt a major conversion but im not all about that and seeing as im going to need a few of these guys i dont want anything too difficult.
No pics until he is painted im afraid, thats how i roll :)
Thinking about other troops / units to use in these games... So far heres what il be using:
- Copplestone future wars assault troops as G.I's
- GW Cadian Conversions with Pig Iron Heads for standard NORT infantry
- Copplestone future wars terminator robots as droids (for both sides or just NORTS???)
- Pig iron war droids as erm... War droids!
- Vehicles - Old crow
Thats all i have confirmed in my head at the moment. Im thinking of using Pig iron heavy infantry as SOUTHER infantry but they are a bit too heavily armoured.
In terms of paint schemes for NORTS and SOUTHERS im getting my main inspiration from Kevin Dallimores site. Grey & purple for NORT and greens for SOUTHERS. Sound ok?
Keep the ideas comming guys, my ears are always open!
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Completed the first NORT trooper tonight.
Really isnt a major conversion but im not all about that and seeing as im going to need a few of these guys i dont want anything too difficult.
No pics until he is painted im afraid, thats how i roll :)
Thinking about other troops / units to use in these games... So far heres what il be using:
- Copplestone future wars assault troops as G.I's
- GW Cadian Conversions with Pig Iron Heads for standard NORT infantry
- Copplestone future wars terminator robots as droids (for both sides or just NORTS???)
- Pig iron war droids as erm... War droids!
- Vehicles - Old crow
Thats all i have confirmed in my head at the moment. Im thinking of using Pig iron heavy infantry as SOUTHER infantry but they are a bit too heavily armoured.
In terms of paint schemes for NORTS and SOUTHERS im getting my main inspiration from Kevin Dallimores site. Grey & purple for NORT and greens for SOUTHERS. Sound ok?
Keep the ideas comming guys, my ears are always open!
Search for the Xbox Rogue Trooper screenshots, give you some nice colour schemes.
Re: pigiron & Heresy: nice choice: I went for the heavy trooper heads, cadian bodies and heresy weapons for the USCM Halo stuff:
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/100_3448.jpg)
Be good to see what you come up with, though as I've said before I'd like to see a gas hood personally.
The Commander
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vyper those Halo conversions are pretty much what my NORTS look like but with Kolony inner guard heads.
I know what you mean about gas hoods and air tanks on their backs but like i said, im not a huge converter of models, more of a painter. I think they will do the job.
as a side note, did you find it a real pain in the arse cutting the hand off the lasgun on the cadian frame!? more work than i had intended...
im glad to see someone is doing Halo'esque conversions. As soon as i saw the pig iron heavy infantry heads and the heresy silenced rifles i thought to myself - ODST! ;D but you have beaten me to it :)
Hope to have pics of Rogue and a NORT by the end of the weekend.
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vyper those Halo conversions are pretty much what my NORTS look like but with Kolony inner guard heads.
I know what you mean about gas hoods and air tanks on their backs but like i said, im not a huge converter of models, more of a painter. I think they will do the job.
as a side note, did you find it a real pain in the arse cutting the hand off the lasgun on the cadian frame!? more work than i had intended...
im glad to see someone is doing Halo'esque conversions. As soon as i saw the pig iron heavy infantry heads and the heresy silenced rifles i thought to myself - ODST! ;D but you have beaten me to it :)
Hope to have pics of Rogue and a NORT by the end of the weekend.
Check the pics again, easier to cut and leave the back of the gun and stock in place and marry up the metal, little bit of gs and a quick file no one would know once painted.
You may force me into a one off Nort just to show you what I had in mind!
;)
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sorry i meant the left hand, supporting the rifle rather than the right hand with the trigger.
Noooo dont do a NORT! it will be so much better than my meagre attempt :'( ;)
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sorry i meant the left hand, supporting the rifle rather than the right hand with the trigger.
Noooo dont do a NORT! it will be so much better than my meagre attempt :'( ;)
Easy, don't think about keeping the rifle intact, cut it down either side of the hand, clip it flat then use a very sharp scalpel and carve.
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yeah thats what i did, was just expecting the left hand to be cast on the left arm rather than the lasgun... More work than i cared for!
Anyway, gotta get started on that NORT :)
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yeah thats what i did, was just expecting the left hand to be cast on the left arm rather than the lasgun... More work than i cared for!
Anyway, gotta get started on that NORT :)
Found these:
(http://www.arcaneminiatures.co.uk/images/urban-mammoth/13604.jpg)
Perfect stammels!!! £4 each!
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Nice work finding the stammels
So heres the Foundry Rogue Trooper ive been promising
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/blurryjonesrob/RogueTrooper.jpg)
Really couldnt get a pic i was happy with so apologies for the quality
I really enjoyed painting this model and the colours really came out well. I dont plan on using him in any games, more as a practice for G.I. skin. I think it works nicely, i used the Foundry Tomb Blue pallette mainly.
I have a completed NORT trooper aswell but again, im struggling to get a good pic so il see what i can get and post up soon.
Thanks for looking
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Looks absolutely excellent! One thing, though, that gun casing - I thought it was some kind of futuristic plastic assembly, not wood (as yours appears)? I might of course be totally wrong, since I´ve only read the b&w comics so far.
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I know what you mean Chris, I went with wood because i thought the colours went well, bit of artistic licence i guess!
The copplestone marines im planning to use as G.I's will have metal or plastic weapon casings.
Thanks for the comment and i doubt it will be long before i have my first game with your rule suggestions
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Vyper what are these miniatures called? They look like they might be from the Urban War range of miniatures... they look most excellent!
Great job on the rogue trooper RJ... the blue skin is fantastic! :D
Darkoath
Found these:
(http://www.arcaneminiatures.co.uk/images/urban-mammoth/13604.jpg)
Perfect stammels!!! £4 each!
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Not sure what the range is but you can find them through this thread...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=14302.msg168048#msg168048
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Nice work finding the stammels
So heres the Foundry Rogue Trooper ive been promising
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/blurryjonesrob/RogueTrooper.jpg)
Really couldnt get a pic i was happy with so apologies for the quality
I really enjoyed painting this model and the colours really came out well. I dont plan on using him in any games, more as a practice for G.I. skin. I think it works nicely, i used the Foundry Tomb Blue pallette mainly.
I have a completed NORT trooper aswell but again, im struggling to get a good pic so il see what i can get and post up soon.
Thanks for looking
Nice paint, naff sculpt, not feeling that at all.
;)
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The paint job is amazing.I have to agree the sculpt is not the best.The Bronzeage ones are the way to go.Must get mine based.
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Looks absolutely excellent! One thing, though, that gun casing - I thought it was some kind of futuristic plastic assembly, not wood (as yours appears)? I might of course be totally wrong, since I´ve only read the b&w comics so far.
I think it was a blue-grey colour in the early stories I read, but I have seen more recent pictures where it is that shade of brown.
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Completed the first NORT trooper tonight.
Really isnt a major conversion but im not all about that and seeing as im going to need a few of these guys i dont want anything too difficult.
No pics until he is painted im afraid, thats how i roll :)
Thinking about other troops / units to use in these games... So far heres what il be using:
- Copplestone future wars assault troops as G.I's
- GW Cadian Conversions with Pig Iron Heads for standard NORT infantry
- Copplestone future wars terminator robots as droids (for both sides or just NORTS???)
- Pig iron war droids as erm... War droids!
- Vehicles - Old crow
Thats all i have confirmed in my head at the moment. Im thinking of using Pig iron heavy infantry as SOUTHER infantry but they are a bit too heavily armoured.
In terms of paint schemes for NORTS and SOUTHERS im getting my main inspiration from Kevin Dallimores site. Grey & purple for NORT and greens for SOUTHERS. Sound ok?
Keep the ideas comming guys, my ears are always open!
Again for colour schemes go with the Rogue Trooper game by rebellion, (so the games creators also produce 2000ad so colours are spot on).
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So heres the Foundry Rogue Trooper ive been promising.
Fantastic paint job and colour scheme!
I am with Commader Vyper on the sculpt though. I have that figure at home sitting with my primed Bronze Age GIs and he really looks gawky. His head is huge. The same applies to the Venus Bluegenes figure sculpted (like many of the later Foundry 2000ad figures) by Tim Prow I think.
I intend to paint my Foundry GIs when I get around to painting the others but like yourself, it will be for a sense of completeness more than anything else.
I love the skin tone in particular though.
Looks absolutely excellent! One thing, though, that gun casing - I thought it was some kind of futuristic plastic assembly, not wood (as yours appears)?
The GI rifle casing has AFAIK always been a brownish colour, sometimes with a bit of olive drab or similar in it in it. It commonly has a vertical striping effect not unlike wood. I never felt that it was intended to represent wood however.
The helmet has always been green I think and the backpacks and leg packs varied in colour between the helmet green and the rifle brown depending on who did the colouring as far as I remember.
(http://www.toymania.com/news/images/0806_rogue1.jpg)
The video game version made Rogue look a little more like Friday: a little more militaristic and a little less super-hero-y. His gun and equipment vary from green to grey/green. There is very little brown in his palette.
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5002/1755/1600/rogue%20trooper.0.jpg)
A bit like most 2000ad uniform elements (Judge Dredds knee and elbow pads spring to mind) the colours are not really set in stone. Anything from brown through grey to green for Rogues equipment seems legitimate to me.
I might of course be totally wrong, since I´ve only read the b&w comics so far.
I can still remember the day when I was a kid that I finally saw a picture of Rogue Trooper in colour. I remember being completely shocked that he was blue lol
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Citadel miniatures did do a pretty good range of 28mm RT minis back in the day (they had the Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper licences).
I believe they were meant as replacements for the cheaply cast plastic rogues in the boardgame they had back in the 80s. They had several sculpts of GIs (Rogue with Lazooka, Rogue (helmeted) standing and firing, Rogue arms up (muscleman) but his rifle in his right hand), the traitor general, Morgen the Nort sniper, a Nort soldier, A souther soldier, Venus Bluegenes, Major Magnum, and I still have several of them lying somewhere in the dim recesses of my "bits box"
That said, props for thinking about a skirmish level game for this iconic character. I stopped reading 2000AD a short while after "Friday", but I have the first 5 Titan books collections still on my bookshelf.
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Now is a very good time to order from David at Bronzeage.He has a sale on until the 14th.Just placed another order for more Norts and the new Female Trooper.