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Miniatures Adventure => Call of Cthulhu => Topic started by: Sterling Moose on January 14, 2024, 10:49:30 PM
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Looking forward to taking a look at these new rules from Osprey:
https://www.ospreypublishing.com/ca/when-nightmares-come-9781472860040/?fbclid=IwAR1B6XOguwQTR8WoGso7RL5cK2VcJ5UnpARjXfFefPL5-xAqrErK4AW9nzU
When Nightmares Come
A solo and cooperative skirmish wargame for investigating and battling the supernatural mysteries of the modern world.
When Nightmares Come is a tabletop miniatures wargame about modern day monster hunting and occult investigations. Players will form a team of paranormal vigilantes; self-taught occult specialists and monster hunters who call themselves the Nightwatch. These self-appointed members of the 'watch look to tackle the supernatural horrors and investigate the strange disturbances that plague their city.
The core of the game, using the Action Dice Pool with its multiple die types, is fast and bloody, with tiered enemies, flexible player classes, quick combat resolution, and straightforward mission objectives.
When Nightmares Come also contains a roleplaying element that allows for non-combat challenges and dramatic encounters. This system uses the same dice types as the core game's Action Dice Pool and emphasizes quick resolutions. This narrative system adds a fresh dimension to the core miniatures experience, particularly in longer campaigns where the promise of different foes and new storylines encourages long-term playability.
Written by Patrick Todorof (he wrote Zona Alpha)
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Thanks for the info, I’ll be looking forward to this release! I like the approach in Zona Alpha and the other games by Mr. Todorof, so this should be fun. Solo and cooperative also fits my situation at the moment.
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I am cautiously optimistic about these, but I'm waiting for more details before I get too excited. I guess I'll find out at the end of March...
The cover does look like what I'm after, so fingers are crossed
(https://res.cloudinary.com/bloomsbury-atlas/image/upload/w_568,c_scale/jackets/9781472860040.jpg)
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Ooh, wonder if its inspired by the Night Watch books & films rather than Lovecraft or Buffy? Looking forward to this
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This looks fantastic. Will be buying a copy
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Looks very interesting.
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Link here to a website with talk about characters and abilites, dice rolls etc... most info I found on the game...its a good read
https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/when-nightmares-come/news/when-nightmares-come-co-op-miniatures-game-call-of-cthulhu-arkham-horror-x-files
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Well, well, looks like the word is out and news is spreading.
WNC is similar to my recent Nightwatch Blood and Bone game, but in a modern setting and trimmed to fit the Osprey Blue Book format. It's a tabletop miniature wargame with narrative/storytelling elements. It uses the same dice mechanics as Exploit Zero, Insurgent Earth, and the Nightwatch fantasy games.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
NW BnB info here: https://www.amazon.com/Nightwatch-Blood-Bone-Patrick-Todoroff/dp/B0CMZGWQML (https://www.amazon.com/Nightwatch-Blood-Bone-Patrick-Todoroff/dp/B0CMZGWQML)
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While modern horror is not really my genre, I really like the system and the author, so I will at least be picking up the pdf.
@Dentatus How important is the modern-day setting to the game? I'd love to use the system for some 1930s pulp horror.
I'm asking because I had similar idea with your Insurgent Earth (make it about resistance in occupied central europe in early XX century), but some of the mechanics (like more enemies being "dropped-shipped" during the game) didn't really blend with that.
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frd, the optional fictional setting is contemporary. WNC is "modern" in the sense it's not the usual sword and sorcery fantasy setting. There are firearms, electronics, motor vehicles, etc. Nothing that can't be reskinned in 1930s tech.
As far as "drop shipped" in IE, do you mean Nazi-occupied Europe? Or War of the Worlds invasion/occupation?
Thinking out loud: Nazis can deploy from an Opel Blitz. Aliens via air-ship. My .02
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Nice to have Patrick join the discussion. Definitely an invaluable conduit for any rules questions we may have.
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The Opel Blitz is a solid idea! I guess I focused too much at the "instant" appearance of the new enemies to think of it. It would still work in the narrative if a patrol came speeding in a vehicle of some sorts and start unloading troops in the middle of the table. The campaign I'm running is a solo pre-ww2 imagi-nation focused more on provincial stuff, but having some kind of truck, carriage or other troop transport would work just fine in that context. I guess I'll be making a troop transport soon :D
Glad to hear it will be easy to reskin the new game to 1930s tech. Then it will definitely getting a copy and incorporating parts of the new game into my ongoing campaign. Is the roleplaying element more of a set campaign (like Rangers of Shadow Deep does) or more of collection of random generators (like Five Parsecs from Home)?
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Looks very interesting! This was not on my radar, thanks for sharing :D
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@frd
No set campaigns. If players don't have their own narrative setting - Supernatural, Constantine, Kolchak - there's a fictional city with specific locations and tables to kick things off. However, I figure most people already have a sense of where and when they want to run their games.
The narrative/RPG portion is designed to give players an opportunity to interact, to deal with NPCs and non-combat challenges, in their preferred setting - and then deal with the consequences. Those consequences translate to advantages/disadvantages in the tabletop war game. (which is what Nightmares really is)
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Just heard about this yesterday through your e-mail newsletter, Patrick. I'm a fan of Exploit Zero (though I always default to calling it Hardwired still) so I'm looking forward to this.
For a while now I've been collecting figures for a Monster Hunter International inspired war game, which overlaps what I see in the previews for WNC, but with a lot (sometimes *a lot*) of firepower, does WNC allow for a special forces level of weaponry?
Thanks,
Chris
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Just heard about this yesterday through your e-mail newsletter, Patrick. I'm a fan of Exploit Zero (though I always default to calling it Hardwired still) so I'm looking forward to this.
For a while now I've been collecting figures for a Monster Hunter International inspired war game, which overlaps what I see in the previews for WNC, but with a lot (sometimes *a lot*) of firepower, does WNC allow for a special forces level of weaponry?
Thanks,
Chris
Hi Chris,
Special Forces Firepower... Ouch. Sorry, no.
In fact, it's designed specifically that the players operate at a time, in a place where no one believes in monsters, let alone wants people who believe in them to be running around with full-auto firearms. Your characters are trying to not get eaten by werewolves - or arrested and committed to the local psych-ward.
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monster hunter international game...well when i heard about it i thought this is a cool idea for a game.. I love the books, but the company made about $340,000 and had nothing to show or even talk about what the rules are like...sold on the figures I guess... I just checked, 45 updates and still no images or talk about rules.... great shame really..Looking forward to when nightmares come... and what we can do with it... roll on March
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I have liked most of the Osprey rules, so may well get this one too. :)
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Another article, for any interested parties.
https://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/when-nightmares-come-first-impressions/
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It's looking very promising, fingers and toes are crossed :)
Back when Buffy was either still on its first run in the UK, or just after it had finished, I converted up most of the Foundry Near Future figures for use in that sort of world. Pistols became pistol bows, rifles were carved out and replaced with crossbows etc (I'm still not sure how I didn't lose a finger in that project, as everything was metal). As a result of that, I probably have more than enough to start gaming with this straight away, which makes a nice change.
It is a bit early, but for figures, I would recommend:
- West Wind for their Gothic monsters
- Mantic Nightstalkers for some nightmare monsters - including pumpkin headed folks
- GW has just put some rather nice looking vampires up for pre-order
- Hasslefree's not-Scooby gang (both pre and post apocalypse versions)
- Nolzur's Marvelous Miniatures for cheap and cheerful monsters
- Reaper Chronoscope always has useful things in it
- Some of Warlord's Weird War figures, like their werewolves and werebears
What else ???
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monster hunter international game...well when i heard about it i thought this is a cool idea for a game.. I love the books, but the company made about $340,000 and had nothing to show or even talk about what the rules are like...sold on the figures I guess... I just checked, 45 updates and still no images or talk about rules.... great shame really..Looking forward to when nightmares come... and what we can do with it... roll on March
All my stuff for MHI is 15mm and from various sources, didn't know they'd KS'd an official miniatures game for it, though I was aware of the RPG. I was planning on using Fear & Faith for my project, looks like I still will, but will probably check this out too.
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Definitely interested in this.
Hasslefree and Crooked Dice for figures
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I'm thinking this might be a decent set for putting 1920s Cthuhlu adventures on the table. I find most other sets I've played seem to emphasise heavy firepower, which isn't really the point of Call of Chtuhlu.
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I will take a look at it as I'm planning on a pulp horror game soon.
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This looks really tempting. I've been thinking about trying something more supernatural with my 1920s Bootleggers/Mounties stuff and it sounds like this will fit the bill perfectly.
Let's face it, the Osprey Blue books are cheap enough to encourage trying new games/systems out.
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OK I've just read the suggested articles and I've pre-ordered the rules. :D
I have shedloads of Gothic Horror stuff (Westwind and others) so I should be good to go!
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I think with this ruleset I may have found a use for my 'not' Mulder and Scully figures I bought years ago.
I wonder if they will stretch to allow use of my Crooked Dice 'Paranormal Investigators' as well?
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I think with this ruleset I may have found a use for my 'not' Mulder and Scully figures I bought years ago.
I wonder if they will stretch to allow use of my Crooked Dice 'Paranormal Investigators' as well?
Don't see why not. "Modern" covers a fairly broad period. Anything 20th century up to present day.
I imagine one could slot in steampunk figs without too much difficulty.
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The hype is building :D - https://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/osprey-games-set-to-launch-new-miniatures-wargame-when-nightmares-come/
Looks like us right pondians get it a month before the left pondians - sorry folks :)
Time to hit the pre-order button on Amazon...
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Looks like us right pondians get it a month before the left pondians
I'm hoping to pick up a copy at Salute.
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I'm hoping to pick up a copy at Salute.
I thought there was a mention I think of a North Star pre-order deal.
First post on the Osprey blog:
https://www.ospreypublishing.com/uk/osprey-blog/2024/when-nightmares-come-introduction/ (https://www.ospreypublishing.com/uk/osprey-blog/2024/when-nightmares-come-introduction/)
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Sounds good
First post on the Osprey blog
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What else ???
Spotted these uglies in the current Dungeons and Lasers: Caves campaign on GameFound.
Obviously, if you're not interested in caves and need your mini's now, wait for retail / skip 'em.
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I like those cave monsters. Not keen on the wait. (or crowdfunding, tbh)
I've had good luck with Zombicide Invader and Deep Madness minis. There are ebay sellers parting out the board games and they're usually inexpensive.
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Death May Die has a ton of Cthulhu minis, if you can find them separately
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I thought there was a mention I think of a North Star pre-order deal.
Which there turns out to be:
https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=17979 (https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=17979)
The offer involves the book, one of the Fenris Games Apex Invesigators packs:
https://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=326&cat=821&page=1 (https://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=326&cat=821&page=1)
And a monster.
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There's a review of the rules in the new WS&S. Pretty complimentary, although the reviewer does suggest a GM would be a good idea, which I'm hoping is not the case.
I dug out some figures from the horror hillock part of my lead mountain, so they shall slowly wend their way to the front of the paint queue.
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The GM comment is interesting. I can see why he'd say it but one isn't necessary.
The game runs solo or strictly cooperatively; you just lose any sense of surprise or gradual reveal of dramatic details.
The Narrative portion of the game is going to throw players who are used to scripted campaigns or more comprehensive systems. I have separate one-shots and full cases (campaigns) written and ready to go for anyone who's interested, but space was limited in the main book. Part of hammering out an Osprey Blue Book is deciding what stays, what to abbreviate, and what to leave out.
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I'll definitely be interested in those.
Will they be downloadable from a support website?
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I'll post a free, one-shot/single mission on my website and the Stalker7 FB Group. Longer campaigns will be available at Wargame Vault.
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I'm familiar with Nightwatch, Exploit Zero (Hardwired to me ;) etc) but is there a write up of a game of WNC anywhere?
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Not yet. Not a detailed one, anyway. The few play test games mentioned on the Stalker7 site are deliberately vague on the specifics.
It's modern era Nightwatch with a bit more crunch. If you're familiar with Hardwired, NW TnT, and Insurgent Earth, you know the basics.
Nightmares adds traits to flavor enemies, makes space for little storytelling cut scenes prior to combat, and introduces a little more grit to the hunter/investigator characters and their abilities. It's civilian vigilantes against monsters in a world where everyone is skeptical of both.
I'll post battle reports after the game's UK release.
I have to say I sense a lot of people have a lot of expectations for WNC. I do hope most of them are pleased with it.
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Mines arriving today and if you go to - https://www.wargamevault.com/product/474899/Smugglers-Neck--A-Nightmares-Case-File?term=Smuggler%E2%80%99s+Neck
A PDF expansion is out....
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I just got mine. After a once-through read the basics look OK. The Narrative Scenes seem a bit confusing, but I am sure they will make sense once I play them through a couple of times.
I'll probably play a few Tactical Engagements first to get the rules in my head, then add in Narrative Scenes.
Are printable QR sheets, Character sheets etc available anywhere?
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I wager the Narrative Scenes are going to throw some folks off.
It's about imaging the scene, listing possible obstacles/challenges for the party to get to the location, then improvising solutions and resolving with the characters' appropriate Primal Attribute stats. Abide by the roll results and deploy.
Nightmares is a wargame, so your Hunters/Investigators always end up on the battlefield. Question is, what condition will they be in when they arrive? (Together or Scattered? All at once or staggered over several turns? Ready for action or disoriented? All that depends on how well they rolled in the narrative scene.
Functionally, Narrative Scenes determine deployment and disposition. Socially, they allow for some collective storytelling.
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I am very interested in the idea of the "Narrative Scenes", but perhaps we are going to need some play examples ;)
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Just wanted to check that we don't really need 288m figures! (Page 4) lol
Looking forward to reading this over the Easter break.
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I am very interested in the idea of the "Narrative Scenes", but perhaps we are going to need some play examples
Mythos Encounters and Fear of the Dark, both available in pdf from Wargames Vault both use 'Narrative Scenes'. Both are very good value and look like fun if you don't mind the format. Mythos Encounters even has a free supplement, 'Horror of Oldwitch', that you can download to see how it all works.
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I am very interested in the idea of the "Narrative Scenes", but perhaps we are going to need some play examples ;)
The book is out now. They're on the way.
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Just wanted to check that we don't really need 288m figures! (Page 4) lol
Looking forward to reading this over the Easter break.
I missed that on my first skim, good spot :D On the bright side, 228mm figures on a 600mm x 600mm board would keep the model count down ;D
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I had a go at generating a 'Narrative Scene'.
Random dice rolls gave me the following:
What? - A series of disappearances.
Where? - Downtown.
Who? - Criminal Element
When? - In Progress (Secured). Bystanders and First Responders are onsite.
I then needed to generate two challenges. Using ChatGPT I got the following:
Charm - You encounter a witness who seems hesitant to share crucial information about the criminal element involved. Your task is to use your charm and persuasion skills to gain the trust of the witness and extract any valuable details.
Reason - You come across a complex puzzle left behind by the criminal element as a diversion tactic. Your task is to use your sharp reasoning skills to decipher the puzzle.
Also, I had a physical test generated.
Physical - You encounter a series of obstacles set up by the criminal element to impede your progress. To overcome this challenge, you must rely on your physical agility and strength to navigate through these obstacles.
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, 228mm figures on a 600mm x 600mm board would keep the model count down ;D
I would hate to contradict you but it says 228m, which is kaiju class at 305mm to the foot!
I have also spotted a missing w.
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I would hate to contradict you but it says 228m, which is kaiju class at 305mm to the foot!
I have also spotted a missing w.
Contradict away :D I think I saw what I expected both times - the first time I saw 28mm, the second time, having been alerted to the 228, I saw 228mm ;D
I did notice that "alter" is used, rather than "altar" at one point. I have a piece of pre-painted scenery that I bought years ago that proudly proclaims to be an "Alter of Evil", which always makes me chuckle.
I'm still reading the rules, but I am looking forward to trying them out. I got sand on the bases of a bunch of Crooked Dice and Reaper Scarecrows this morning, so they are inching their way to the painting table.
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Bat Rep for any interested parties.
When Nightmares Come incident. New game mat, new terrain, scary monsters.
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Full Battle Report at: https://stalker7.com/2024/04/03/closing-time/
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Thanks for the AAR.
Useful to see how a game works.
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Seconded. Very useful and bookmarked for when I play my first game.
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I have been having some random thoughts on my first WNC case. I am not going to use the Narrative Scenes set up, because I usually write a scenario for my games (with background, deployment and objectives), often as part of a campaign, or as a sub-plot to an on-going campaign.
For my learning games I am going to run a four incident case, set in the 1920s (because I do not have much by way of modern minis or terrain). I am using a team of 4 Hunters in Egypt and I hope to get the first games in over the next week or so.
Anyone interested in the full campaign background, it's on my blog https://grahamsgaming.blogspot.com/2024/04/when-nightmares-come-first-campaign.html
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And now the cast list for my 1920s case.
https://grahamsgaming.blogspot.com/2024/04/when-nightmares-come-cast-list-egypt.html
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Nice work Sunjester. Looking forward to more.
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Ian came over to join me for a try-out of these new rules. A full batrep, pictures and first thoughts are on the blog https://grahamsgaming.blogspot.com/2024/04/when-nightmares-come-egypt-1920s-case.html
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Well, Salute has provided me with three types of horrors from Mantic (Voidtouched, Reapers and Butchers) though I did not get the Mindscreech for the Atrocity class entity.
Some useful stuff from Crooked Dice as well.
Not sure if a sheriff is in the spirit of the game...
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But Crooked Dice have a suitable Weaver and an Atrocity to match in their new '80's range.
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Some useful stuff from Crooked Dice as well.
Not sure if a sheriff is in the spirit of the game...
I think he would fit. Small town sheriff, he knows there's strange things in the woods that his big city superiors just wouldn't believe!
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I picked up a copy at Salute. First read through, a couple of questions.
1. Is the number of Hunters in each Incident/Case restricted to 3?
2. Are you obligated to one of each Hunter type in each Incident/Case?
I'm sure there'll be more questions in due course, I usually learn a game by playing it, I'm hopeless at understanding just by reading through the book.
Thanks
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Max of 3?
No, the number of Hunters/Investigators can be as high as 5.
Obligated to take one of each type?
No. Not at all.
Let me know if/when you have more questions.
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I'm sure there'll be more questions in due course, I usually learn a game by playing it, I'm hopeless at understanding just by reading through the book.
Dentatus posted an AAR which is helpful.
https://stalker7.com/2024/04/03/closing-time/ (https://stalker7.com/2024/04/03/closing-time/)
Some examples of hunters and their load outs would be useful.
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For anyone interested, I created a character sheet in Word format. Should be attached to this post.
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For anyone interested, I created a character sheet in Word format. Should be attached to this post.
Many thanks for that.
Those take a surprisingly long time to do, so I'm always happy when someone else puts in the time and effort :D
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Write up for the second game in my 1920s case https://grahamsgaming.blogspot.com/2024/04/when-nightmares-come-egypt-1920s-case_20.html
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