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Title: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 10, 2009, 11:00:51 AM: Want to share this video from russian miniseries Fall of the Empire. It's a World War 1 scene but, its have zeppelin and german biplanes against russian heavy guns and crews... I mean its look like VSF!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfUaw0BfaZA&feature=player_embedded#at=172
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: joroas on December 10, 2009, 11:04:49 AM: Lovely, thanks. :o
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: General Roos on December 10, 2009, 11:08:16 AM: Nice. Thanks!!! :)
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on December 10, 2009, 11:24:19 AM: Hey - that was good. Did zeppelins really dangle those metal boxes to drop bombs from? That's not a job I'd fancy... :o

Doug
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Plynkes on December 10, 2009, 11:35:26 AM: Quote from: Doug em4 on December 10, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Hey - that was good. Did zeppelins really dangle those metal boxes to drop bombs from? That's not a job I'd fancy... :o

Doug

They had spy baskets or cloud cars, and they were actually much cooler-looking than the thing in that film...

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/ZeppelinSpyBasket.jpg)

They didn't drop bombs from them, though. They were for navigating while remaining hidden. The Zeppelin would stay above the clouds while the car was lowered below them, providing navigation and bomb-aiming data to the main ship.
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: former user on December 10, 2009, 01:05:01 PM: try rightclick and open it in Youtube
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on December 10, 2009, 01:36:41 PM: Quote from: Plynkes on December 10, 2009, 11:35:26 AM
They had spy baskets or cloud cars, and they were actually much cooler-looking than the thing in that film...

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/ZeppelinSpyBasket.jpg)

They didn't drop bombs from them, though. They were for navigating while remaining hidden. The Zeppelin would stay above the clouds while the car was lowered below them, providing navigation and bomb-aiming data to the main ship.

Crikey - if I'd seen that pic out of context, I'd have assumed it was from a pre-war pulp film. It still looks like a terrifying job, though. Imagine being stuck in that thing with just a metal cable snaking upwards to a huge zep holding you in place; makes me shudder to think about. Even worse, in a way, if the zep is hidden in clouds. I thought the cameraman in the "cherry-pickers" at cricket matches had a scary job but this is much worse......

Doug
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Tacgnol on December 10, 2009, 02:26:05 PM: In the Charley's War comic there was a pretty horrific scene involving a Zeppelin raid on London, where the captain severed the line of the observation basket so the Zepp could make good its escape, condemning the observer to a terrifying death.

The clip is really cool, makes me want to watch the whole show. Is it any good, and are there subtitled versions available?
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Fjodin on December 11, 2009, 02:50:46 AM: Victorian Russian column destroyer by Ottoman artillery (from Russian movie Turkish Gambit. Great film, but without mass battles, because its adventure/decective movie)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHgK3QdByeQ
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Fjodin on December 11, 2009, 02:55:10 AM: Oh well.... I'll post here all VSF/Colonial videos I've found on Youtube!

Zulu final charge (Love Zulu movie. First colonial movie I've ever seen. It was the second thing which inspired me with VSF!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpI

First charge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq2fGjMqOfU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1kOf3dgHUY&feature=related

Battle of Isandlwana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHhBhGnvZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uGX0kGvSp0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Bp_M2D1Pk&feature=related
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Fjodin on December 11, 2009, 03:01:18 AM: Battle of Abu Klea - Four Feathers (not very historical but great)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F8RlM4x4zo

Now lets add some VSF Japanese!
Last Samurai battle scene (non historical but it have Gatlings!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7mnUWf0RJY&feature=related
Title: Re: Zeppelin video from Russian miniseries
Post by: Fjodin on December 11, 2009, 03:06:46 AM: Lets fight on sea! (Russo Japanese war and World War 1)

Battle of Tsushima from old japanese movie (I dont know the movie) Battle scene without computer effects but with great model ships. So it's looks quite realistic. I liked it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5foWKctuI&feature=related

Russian destroyer vs German battleship in World War 1. From russian movie Admiral (Адмирал) with subtitres. Dont like the subs, they are not very correct. The original dialogue text are better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v_rqYZJk6A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-9lAzaRuts&feature=related
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 11, 2009, 03:09:17 AM: Japenese infantry storming russian defences at Russo-Japanese war (dont know the movie):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89CQS_Z-uaM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a5-OXUtibc&feature=related
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 11, 2009, 03:12:38 AM: Lets war in the Sudan!

Khartoum (1966) - Hicks Expedition Destroyed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQHMa5NhJF8

Khartoum (1966) Gunboat Encounters Mahdi's Troops
http://www.youtube.com/user/GeorgeGee#p/u/50/MMmlMCZEHqw

Khartoum (1966) The Final Battle & Fall of Khartoum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFVBfThfCI&feature=related

Khartoum (1966) Gen. Gordon's Troops Defend Convoy
http://www.youtube.com/user/GeorgeGee#p/u/52/qwYBNPF9DIk
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: former user on December 11, 2009, 06:13:36 AM: all these movie clips have rather little to do with VSF, apart from some being unhistorical.
I don't say this to rant, but to ask a question:

why is VSF so closely linked to colonial wargaming for some people?
can You tell?
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 11, 2009, 06:51:54 AM: Because Vistorian Science Fiction are alternative history of Vicorian Age. That means its includes all wars from Crimean War and before World War 1. American Civil War and Colonial wars are in there. You can play colonial games (or Crimean, American Civil War, Russo-Turkish, Colonial Wars, Franco-Prussian , etc) in historical way, or just add some steam landships and late 19-th century wargame will be VSF.
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: former user on December 11, 2009, 07:10:36 AM: Yes, but VSF includes a lot of modern retro technology, which is rather useless in assymetrical warfare like colonial encounters. Even historically the full range of victorian era modern warfare was not used. What is the point of using e.g. Steamtanks against native warriors?

I personally see the focus of VSF more in not fighting replacement conflicts, but the european imperialist powers trying to combat each other by means of technological gadgets.
Thus the colonial subjects would become rather a source for manpower and raw materials.
Or otherwise the "primitive" natives could become more advanced and able to counter the colonialist threat, like the martian and venusian settings.

Simply moving down more native warriors with steamtanks or technological gadgets leads to even more numbers of them having to counterbalance the imperialist superiority.
Of course this is a personal approach and taste.

I am not into starting a discussion for the mere sake of it, but to understanding the essence of VSF better. :)
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on December 11, 2009, 10:42:29 AM: Quote from: former user on December 11, 2009, 07:10:36 AM
Yes, but VSF includes a lot of modern retro technology, which is rather useless in assymetrical warfare like colonial encounters. Even historically the full range of victorian era modern warfare was not used. What is the point of using e.g. Steamtanks against native warriors?

I personally see the focus of VSF more in not fighting replacement conflicts, but the european imperialist powers trying to combat each other by means of technological gadgets.
Thus the colonial subjects would become rather a source for manpower and raw materials.
Or otherwise the "primitive" natives could become more advanced and able to counter the colonialist threat, like the martian and venusian settings.

Simply moving down more native warriors with steamtanks or technological gadgets leads to even more numbers of them having to counterbalance the imperialist superiority.
Of course this is a personal approach and taste.

I am not into starting a discussion for the mere sake of it, but to understanding the essence of VSF better. :)

A lot of it is due to what I actually own. Whilst I would love to create a VSF war involving the European Powers, I don't have the time or resources for 28mm :( Maybe one day in 6mm or 2mm :)

I do have a decent collection of colonial stuff though, so I can add in a few vehicles, creatures or experimental weapons and things instantly become very different to conventional colonial games. Not just for the Europeans either, but adding VSF tech to "native" forces (foreign advisors, captured mad scientist, tribal-owned rare resources allowing them to buy the tech etc) can make life very difficult for the colonial forces.

It really doesn't mattrer to me where my VSF games are set, just being able to use my imagination to make things different from the conventional is great fun :)
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: former user on December 11, 2009, 10:56:41 AM: this approach I do understand, thx
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Ricco on December 14, 2009, 05:55:13 PM: I was into Colonials long before I "Knew" about VSF. I had the figs for colonials as did most of my gaming pals, so we use what we have. My Pathans have halted the british steam contraptions a few times by killing crew.

While I do not look to destroy steam tanks with my Zulus, they have kept the Brits infantry busy while my allies Prussian/German artillery did in the Brit steam stuff.

I have even taken out an open topped steam ram, with a gatling on top, by charging it with my Pathan sword armed infantry. In our next game the Pathans, who were supported by the Tsars troops, turned the staem tank against the Brits. It was fun to have a unit of Pathan swords attached to this steam ram charging across the battlefield against its former country men. The Brits shot it to oblivion of course but not before the swordsmen over run some British allies. Its all fun!!!
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 14, 2009, 09:41:02 PM: OK! Some of you may use 2mm Rail Gun from Irregulars for Land Ironclad games (I do :) )
Steelonsand uses it to
http://steelonsand.blogspot.com/2009/03/weird-world-war-i-part-2.html
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DSmFIIS7WgA/Sb7AsmH7FHI/AAAAAAAAAHU/7Yj8PjHXlds/s320/SANY0057.JPG)

So this video is about raliway gun (in this clip they mistakenly call it Big Bertha, but this is scriptwriter error!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo-qAkjeH6U&feature=related
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 14, 2009, 09:55:43 PM: German Biplane vs Russian Infantry. Its on 1:38 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxmkhckI_RA
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Red Orc on December 14, 2009, 10:03:28 PM: Quote from: former user on December 11, 2009, 07:10:36 AM
Yes, but VSF includes a lot of modern retro technology, which is rather useless in assymetrical warfare like colonial encounters. Even historically the full range of victorian era modern warfare was not used. What is the point of using e.g. Steamtanks against native warriors?...

This is why I'm approaching VSF via Atlantis. Colonial forces a la 'historical' wargaming, plus aeronefs and steamtanks, plus a random mix of adventurers, big-game hunters and gunslingers, against other similar groups from other world powers (pesky Prusso-Swedish alliance) but also 'crystal energy' (OK, laser) wielding, dinosaur riding Atlanteans, Morlocks (orcs) with both stone-age and captured technological weapons, and Martians and Venusians too, if I can get it together.

I absolutely agree that the British Army plus steamtanks re-fighting Rourkes' Drift would be a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. But I'm not a big fan of putting too much 'history' into games anyway, in the end, it just comes down to real people being killed and that's not fun.
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:13:18 AM: Queen Victoria Empire. Documantary in 4 chapters.

Queen Victoria (Engines of Change)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJhzjhOj788
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ0wlQRH5uE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyESs2oblo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nU1CQmX8e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcRhsqoofXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvqoFLczt0
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:17:48 AM: Episode 2: Passage to India
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcUCdjxIHto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfymHoD5FLk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACyMFXMQ1Fk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTLCmB6jCNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkozW4iUh80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VziFwVzUdwc
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:19:50 AM: Episode 3: The Moral Crusade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY0Fkv5VbT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApeBE0nylQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu25bSWsoHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Tehy-YAuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJFulFF9rMI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o69ULsgS8uM
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:22:53 AM: Episode 4: The Scramble for Africa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TKmxFO58bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAH9lGrnys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmpSahROW7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd6VDGqpXZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzwXPv98k1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH201CRHAJo

LOL! You can see zulu war era redcoat on 0:24 with lee-enfield??!!! Funny mistake!
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:24:52 AM: OK! Queen Victoria Empire series is other..... But I've also found this one
South Africa: The boer war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJMNtI0Pm-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAE3BbmiHQ8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC_AKImszB0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7km24L0VYoM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nZv5t21LZY&feature=related
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:25:52 AM: Battle of Omdurman (short but with many KABOOMS!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztQ9dvBY-OM
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:27:34 AM: Lets make some war in Crimea!

Charge Of The Light Brigade - Battle of Alma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipdjwuSQcfE&feature=related

Charge Of The Light Brigade - Battle of Balaclava
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4gTt6rptTU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBiUWQ5YLQ4&feature=related

The Charge of The Light Brigade (1936), Errol Flynn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXzCOlPHFmc

March to the Alma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlIp_fMUhhQ
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on December 21, 2009, 07:31:11 AM: The Battle Of Balaclava

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMgCA9MVbmU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StRFHASVZC4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TZ1OUhGRS8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Bar4sIlRM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP-nUOspWtU&feature=related
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 06, 2010, 11:38:56 PM: Battle of Omdurman (short but with many KABOOMS!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztQ9dvBY-OM
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: OSHIROmodels on February 07, 2010, 09:48:09 AM: That 'Young Winston' film looks rather good (apart from the rather bright and badly used false blood). Is it on general DVD release? (can't be bothered to search on Amazon ;D )

cheers

James
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Malamute on February 08, 2010, 08:40:18 AM: Quote from: jimbibbly on February 07, 2010, 09:48:09 AM
That 'Young Winston' film looks rather good (apart from the rather bright and badly used false blood). Is it on general DVD release? (can't be bothered to search on Amazon ;D )

cheers

James

It was on TV saturday afternoon...eitehr ITV or BBC2... :D
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: OSHIROmodels on February 08, 2010, 09:08:56 AM: Quote from: Malamute on February 08, 2010, 08:40:18 AM
It was on TV saturday afternoon...eitehr ITV or BBC2... :D

Well that's no good, the rugby was on :P

cheers

James
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on February 08, 2010, 11:48:29 AM: Quote from: Malamute on February 08, 2010, 08:40:18 AM
It was on TV saturday afternoon...eitehr ITV or BBC2... :D

Bugger! Yet another one missed >:(

At least I finally have Zulu on DVD, so won't it won't bother me when I inevitably miss it again on TV lol
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: HerbyF on February 08, 2010, 12:05:41 PM: Picked up 'King Solemon's Mine', 'Allen Quartermain and the Temple of Skulls', and 'The Four Feathers' today. A local video store is going out of buissness.
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 08, 2010, 11:21:08 PM: I've Almost forgot! Great War battle scene fro russian movie Admiral! Its a Russian Civil War! Whites are out of ammo and they make soucidal bayonet charge thowards reds trenhes. This video have english subtitles, BUT I DONT LIKE THEM AT ALL! Original Russian text are more complicated and full of emotions, and this subs are so plain... But at least english people can understand whats going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWE3y5-_Bgc&feature=player_embedded

The battle stats at 3:31 minutes from beginig of video
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 08, 2010, 11:33:24 PM: Here is musif from this video! CHARGE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8E1vXnKG4&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 08, 2010, 11:49:14 PM: Who dare to say that this is not VSF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCP2qbHDGIs&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 08, 2010, 11:50:59 PM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhCY5Hlu3t0&feature=player_embedded
Russians vs Germans. 1914. Starts from 8:45 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHiVIFR7X0&feature=player_embedded
part 2
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 08, 2010, 11:52:00 PM: HAHAHAHA! NO ONE CAN BEAT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEW OLD RUSSIAN MOVIE VID!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZnRQDWLlw&feature=player_embedded
Cossacks vs Austro-Hungarians. 1914
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 08, 2010, 11:59:03 PM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmn5SaaVRgQ
Another Khartoum video! Battle starts at 2.44
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 09, 2010, 12:12:52 AM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbqVoLxuDk&feature=player_embedded
Battle scene from old Russian movie. Its stats at 1:12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5rmutQXIw
Red cavalry chasing hitted airplane of whites.

music can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB3Ow3m1o6A&NR=1
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 09, 2010, 12:23:54 AM: I AM THE TRULLY CLIP KAIZER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXzCOlPHFmc
Charge of the light brigade (black and white)!
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fuzzywuzzieswiflasers on February 10, 2010, 12:56:09 AM: Why my dear former user fellow, there is nothing better than to think of Gordon being held up in Khartoum about to be overwhelmed by those darn bad tempered fuzzywuzzies when he thinks, "Oh bother! If only I had a steam tank or an ether flyer gunboat. Then I'd give these chaps a darn good thrashing what!"

Lovely colonial scenarios, lots of derring do, with a splash of steam power to spice it all up.

Thats VSF for you damn your eyes! :)

Cheers
Fuzzy!
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 12, 2010, 04:52:43 AM: Just found great Russo-Japanese war clip of SteelonSand blog
http://steelonsand.blogspot.com/2010/02/varyag-and-korietz.html#comment-form (http://steelonsand.blogspot.com/2010/02/varyag-and-korietz.html#comment-form)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfH1BF9JflM&feature=player_embedded

Wikipedia article
[wiki]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chemulpo_Bay[/wiki]
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 27, 2010, 10:36:35 PM: Lets start ACW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucrVfUr4_ZA&feature=PlayList&p=34BA2DD7972647B9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=39
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on February 27, 2010, 10:38:41 PM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeE-EMfH-kQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vFU_-SPogM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2c_BvVBd-Q&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rawwMraLLl4&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: VSF inspired videos!
Post by: Fjodin on March 17, 2010, 08:35:04 PM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKn6_DSMmU